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9:00 PM
granted Ebola isn't going to kill any of us, but could have long term market effects.. so idk a blurb here and there would be nice
also what about Russia and Ukraine?
Or the civil war still raging in Syria..
I hate the US mainstream news
 
@Loktar Yeah, but did you hear about Kim Kardashian's butt?
 
fukushima could be a very very very serious issue
I think worse than ebola
 
@Retsam haha of course!
@rlemon I haven't heard anything recent about it, whats going on?
 
@Loktar cleanup efforts are still underway but they're making little progress
water is still polluted
 
> I’m with NPR’s All Things Considered. I see that you tweeted about buying one of the Atari games uncovered at the dump, and my colleague is working on finding
people who’ve bought them. Would you be interested in talking about it?
saweeet
thats the email I got
heh any chance to talk about games/game collecting is awesome
 
9:02 PM
@Loktar I bet you never even heard this: fukushimaupdate.com/…
I watch it because that shit scares the crap out of me
 
actually I heard about it traveling to the west a few months back
but it was laughed off it seemed
they said it was too minor to matter lol
 
yea it shouldn't be :/
read up on the effects of the radiation in the ocean
again, not going to happen but could very well happen and we have no reason to believe it wont' happen right now.
 
Hi!Ohh what happened to your avatars @rlemon @Loktar ? :)
 
@rlemon yaaaay.
 
@Basj they were @mikedidthis -ified
 
9:05 PM
@Loktar :) how ?
 
we payed him
cost me my firstborn and Loktars right leg
 
@rlemon I think he never used it anyway
 
:( then I had to pay my left leg and right eye.
 
@Loktar but in return you got BraInZZzz
 
Why was @AwalGarg kicked :( ?
 
9:07 PM
general trolling I suspect
 
Stood too close behind a donkey?
 
@rlemon reallly? He's usually very friendly ...
 
8 hours ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
(not really)
 
you can be friendly and troll.
 
9:08 PM
example:
 
@AwalGarg ohh ok :)
 
2 mins ago, by rlemon
cost me my firstborn and Loktars right leg
 
8 hours ago, by Awal Garg
Ask @BenjaminGruenbaum He loves to answer all jQuery questions.
 
#shrekt
example #2. Friendly as hell.
 
lol
 
9:09 PM
Just don't feed it after midnight
Or it turns into Carrot Top
 
or else:
user image
3
 
@Loktar mikedidthis™
4
 
Or that
 
LOL wtf
 
@rlemon RE fukishima: Without objective measurements it's nonsensical scaremongering
 
9:10 PM
Something about JS : if I use files locally : d:/temp/index.html that calls myscript.js (in the same folder). Can the JS script open/write a file in the same directory (ex: d:/temp/serializeddata.txt ) ?
I googled and found various things. It seems the answer is no. Is it right ?
 
@TomW there is really no comparison tho. we've had what? a dozen meltdowns, three of which were at all serious / not contained?
 
JavaScript cannot touch the file system
 
there is no metric to base it off.
 
(except NodeJS)
 
yeah, there's CS-134 or whatever it is. How much? Given a need, nuclear scientists could build a device you could put in your pocket that would detect a single emission in a volume of water the size of...well, your pocket. Detectability is an irrelevance
 
9:12 PM
!!wiki beu
 
there is the potential of global impact, and we have no reason to think we can contain it at this point (11 billion spent, we're no closer to the cleanup)
 
The amount of actual radioactives that have been emitted, there's no solid evidence that you need to clean it up
 
!!undo
A banana equivalent dose (abbreviated BED) is an informal expression of ionising radiation exposure, intended as a general educational example to indicate the potential dose due to naturally occurring radioactive isotopes by eating one average sized banana. However, in practice this dose is not cumulative as the principal radioactive component is excreted to maintain metabolic equilibrium. The BED is only an indicative concept meant to show the existence of very low levels of natural radioactivity within a natural food, and is not a formally adopted dose quantity. For example, the radiation exposure...
 
@SterlingArcher : is there no solution then ?
 
There's some debate about whether low dosage levels actually make you healthier
 
9:13 PM
Not with client side JS
 
Imagine I have a in-browser notepad done with html+js
 
> A person living 10 miles from the Three Mile Island nuclear reactor received 700 BED of exposure to radiation, the equivalent of eating two bananas each day for a year.
 
Doing radioactivity tests against human subjects is inherently unethical (obviously) - so the major data points on radioactivity are Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl. Three Mile Island doesn't register
 
@SterlingArcher If it's run locally, I cannot implement a "Save" feature?
 
Need help with SourceMaps
 
9:15 PM
@Basj which browser do you intend to target?
 
trying to concat sourcemaps generated by SCSS and CSS
 
@AwalGarg any browser (computer, not tablet/phone)
 
@TomW Some might argue that two of those were tests
 
there's a big mysterious zone at the low end where different circumstantial exposures have wildly different results. Ingesting radioisotopes vs. being exposed to actual emissions externally probably makes a difference
 
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Q: How to concat two SCSS and CSS Source Maps

Encore PTLI am using sass to generate a source map which is output to a file. Then I generate a sourcemap for another CSS file using PostCSS. I am trying to concat both sourcemaps using applySourceMap in this sourcemap node module but it does work https://github.com/mozilla/source-map/blob/master/lib/sourc...

 
9:16 PM
@Basj are you going to ask the same question in a slightly different manner again, or are you going to use a server language that can do it?
 
actually there is a solution. Chrome Extensions - they allow you to have limited IO access
 
@Basj if webkit based browsers, I think you can build what you want with IndexedDB.
 
.
 
@rlemon Ahoy hoy
 
@Basj Alternatively you can keep the document data yourself most of the time and then just let the client download it when they want to
 
9:16 PM
@SterlingArcher I already did of course. My service already runs with server language (PHP) + database. But I wanted to know if there is lighter solution, just for testing purpose
 
If Gecko or any other, you can't do it in a very efficient manner.
 
Google Docs, for example, doesn't read and write files on your system, it keeps them for you, and lets you upload and download documents as you want.
 
As far as I know, client side JS simply has not the access to write/read files on your computer. Remotely, locally, etc. You need to do it with a server language. You can store it in localStorage but that's not permanent
 
@SterlingArcher Pretty sure you can if you've got a browser extension that grants FS access
 
@SterlingArcher it does, but you have a VERY limited api for it and I'm not sure it is exposed outside of the extension platform (except IE, IE execCommand)
 
9:18 PM
That seems dangerous
 
2 mins ago, by rlemon
actually there is a solution. Chrome Extensions - they allow you to have limited IO access
cc @SterlingArcher
STOP IGNORING ME!
 
Missed it lol sorry
 
@rlemon only for Chrome I imagine?
 
hey I can say that too.
 
@rlemon I saw that, and totally stoles it
 
9:19 PM
> ✔ renaming banana should change a lot
I love our unit tests
 
@Basj FF has an extension platform as well
 
With said extension, couldn't somebody simply use JS script injection to hack yo shit?
 
@rlemon ok
 
@SterlingArcher which is why you shouldn't use extensions from untrusted sources
 
@SterlingArcher extension->flagged->removed from app store.
 
9:19 PM
also why ( I imagine ) chrome limits extensions to their store
accountability
 
ah
So there IS a way, but it sounds horrible to do
 
@AwalGarg greasemonkey/tampermonkey has no security model
 
Ok so if I sum up about this, the general answer is "Not possible", except by using localStorage or browsers extensions?
Let me explain why I wanted to do that :
 
@rlemon I know.
Facebook even warns users in the console that they should ignore any tutorials stating that a few commands in the console allows them to hack someone else's account.
 
which is true
 
9:22 PM
So much so, that engineers at FB once exploited a webkit bug to disable the console entirely!
 
Now bigpicture.bi/demo runs (I have some users thanks to some people sharing it) but I wanted to host a "toy version" on GitHub, that wouldn't require a database or PHP... I wanted to do a simple version that just can read/save easily
This is the reason why I was looking for easy simple reading/writing in a .txt file in the same dir of the .HTML and .JS file
 
yea i've read the issue on SO
@Basj serialize the data as JSON and use the github API to save it as a gist
 
-_-
 
then people can still share links publicly.
 
@rlemon you sure have!
 
9:23 PM
@rlemon So the data will be on a Gist, but will be not-reallt human readable, is this right ?
 
correct
their api is pretty extensive
 
ok good idea
 
you can even have versioning in it
 
apparntly this is where the ALS IBC started: youtube.com/watch?v=lr-mXnUoUXM
 
9:27 PM
"The Hacker News" ...riiiiight.
 
@rlemon for my purpose (ie just providing a toy version of my bigpicture website), what do you think about the localStorage solution ? (that would allow to test Save/Read)
 
but it is local only
you can't make a 'big picture' and let me see it
if that is what you want, sure
 
@rlemon I don't know. What's the best solution for making the website opensource in your opinion ? Put the whole thing on GitHub (including the database management, etc.)
 
no clue. my biggest open source projects are all db free
lemonmeme.com/ lorempizza.com/ and notifier.js
 
@Basj what's wrong with putting database management on github?
 
9:30 PM
Guys, are the <a name="derp"></a> tags deprecated?
 
no (afaik)
but id's work
 
@FlorianMargaine I thought it would be easier for users to test a project that only contains client side things...
 
a big project will have to depend on things
on miaou we put up a vagrantfile to help people set up their dependencies
but to each his own...
 
4.0.1
not sure about HTML5 :/ damn you and making me question things!
 
9:33 PM
Global warming isn't real because I was cold today! Also great news: World hunger is over because I just ate.
 
@FlorianMargaine yes you're right, but I fear that few users will work on it if there is a need to install DB, etc.
 
> No decoded fragid: If there is an a element in the DOM that has a name attribute whose value is exactly equal to fragid (not decoded fragid), then the first such element in tree order is the indicated part of the document; stop the algorithm here.
@SterlingArcher ^
html5 spec
 
@Basj if your app only needs localstorage, then no need to add a dependency
if your app needs a db, use a db
 
ohhhhhhhhhh
 
it's as simpler as that
 
9:34 PM
so ID > name but name is still valid
 
@FlorianMargaine do you usually have lots of contributors on github projects that need DB to be installed ?
or do you notice it prevents people from testing it ?
 
@Basj do you know drupal?
 
@Basj You should never (or rarely) require a separate DB for testing.
That's what in-memory is for. It's faster and safer for tests.
 
@FlorianMargaine yes
 
@ssube Depends on the testing.
 
9:35 PM
does it have a lot of contributors?
 
If you need a DB for unit tests, you are Doing It Wrong™
 
@SomeKittens Integration and actual use, yes. Unit and maybe functional, no.
 
The opposite goes for integration tests.
 
Functional does get funny, since nobody knows quite where it fits.
 
!!youtube reckless and relentless asking alexandria lyrics
 
9:36 PM
 
What a good song
 
@FlorianMargaine Drupal yes, but I think one can easily find a github project for which people don't contribute because it's too long to install a DB for trying it
 
To find someone else in these rooms who likes 'metal'...
 
no
if people don't contribute, it's because the project sucks
creating a db is a matter of 5 minutes for any experienced dev
 
@TomW How are we defining metal? Screamo or the good stuff? :p
/me is listening to in flames, arch enemy, and dark tranquility atm
 
9:38 PM
lots of people in here like metal/death metal
@ssube /me pantera
 
lowest common denominator. I wouldn't really call AA metal but I don't know what I would call them. Not that it matters to me
 
!!s/metal\/?//
 
@TomW don't like metal?
 
@FlorianMargaine Hum... I agree 50% but not 100%. Personnaly, I wouldn't try to locally test github.com/Ralt/pastie because I wouldn't want (I'm not experienced enough) to have to install/ set up postgresql server, etc. ... But I don't think your "pastie" tool sucks... It looks cool!
 
@SterlingArcher who doesn't?
 
9:39 PM
To be fair, I call it all screamo. Blanket genre because I hate those snippy pretentious, "Oh, it's death-core-apple-grinder-thrash you twat" people
 
@Basj you can use it on pastie.margaine.com
 
I love screamo :(
 
@Basj Bear in mind that for many people, that's yum install postgres
 
I just classify them as metal and death metal
 
@ssube yeah that's right
 
9:40 PM
@Basj and I said "experienced dev".
 
It's just music to me
 
@rlemon Clear vocals vs screaming, I assume?
 
There's good music and bad music. Those are the two genres.
 
but death metal is a subset of metal. so all death metal is metal but not all metal is death metal.
 
if you can't install/set up postgresql, you're far from being an experienced dev, imho.
 
9:40 PM
@ssube Metallica === metal / Slayer === Death Metal
 
@FlorianMargaine that's right as well. But in your example, I really think there could be more than 1 contributor, your project is cool!
 
Slayer are thrash
 
which I group into death
 
^ I will recognize a third major category
thrash is a lot faster than the others
 
you wraaong
 
9:41 PM
@FlorianMargaine sure, I am not experienced, just hobbyist
 
@TomW I'm not really into Pokemon.
 
imho means "in my humble opinion", it means that I may very well be wrong, just that it's my little person's opinion
 
@FlorianMargaine your little person? why do your genitals have an opinion?
on development
 
@ssube I would've said "my wife's treasure" if I meant them.
 
> All 'verb the noun' bands to be renamed 'Copy the Meshuggah'
 
9:43 PM
I've found that the "h" in imho is almost always inappropriate.
 
@FlorianMargaine Oh, you keep little people?
 
@FlorianMargaine no you're totally right. An experienced dev knows how to install a postgresql DB quickly I think
 
@Retsam I meant it there, I use imo sometimes, imho other times
 
sudo apt-get install postgresql
yay! I'm experienced!
damn, forgot the ql
 
so much for the experienced part lol
 
9:44 PM
and postgresql-dev-9.1
 
If it makes you feel better I broke all my jQuery today
 
@SterlingArcher This doesn't show you don't need to be experienced to use postgresql well...
 
!!woosh
 
To work around QA not wanting to use commandline tools, one of our services has a /swift/upload endpoint that takes a file from (the load-balanced node's) fs and pushes it to swift/s3.
Figger that out.
In other news, does anyone know of a good swift upload package for node?
 
9:49 PM
Lol
By the way, about what we spoke before : http://caniuse.com/#feat=filesystem
Strange that FileSystem API was abandonned...
(or nearly)
 
I swear my headphones get more quiet everyday
The fading death. It's tragic, really.
I've yet to have a pair of headphones that didn't break on me. Both beats (great sound quality), several apple headphones.. even some bose headphones
 
or your hearing is slowly getting worse
 
They just can't survive.. life.
 
My Sennhisers have fading issues
 
@rlemon type louder, I can't hear you
 
my GF somehow breaks her mouse every ~4mo
 
one ear will be louder than the other.
 
@SomeKittens ^^^^^ exactly. My right ear is slightly louder than my left
 
Sturdy and the biggest ear areas yet, so no squishing.
 
@ work I use skull candy ones
they work, decent sound.
 
9:53 PM
@rlemon Have you tried this tool : audiocheck.net/testtones_hearingtestaudiogram.php . It's not bad at all
 
at home I used the MS lifechat ones
 
@SterlingArcher It changes depending on how the volume knob is set (and also a bit of static)
 
excellent sound and a mic for gaming
 
basically a loose connection.
@ssube No mic
 
9:53 PM
but bigEarAreas++
 
@SomeKittens mics are evil, they lead to CS, which leads to cursing at small children
 
@Basj I have half the tone/pitch (w/e it is. the hz you hear at) and about 65% volume
my hearing is already fucked. I know it.
 
@ssube I need a mic - I keep up with friends at home through video games
 
@rlemon I'm sorry for you ;)
 
all my life, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything
so no reason to feel sorry
 
9:55 PM
@rlemon oh ok so you haven't lost it recently...
 
nono, born with a bunch of shit wrong.
 
@FlorianMargaine No
> #swag
 
@copy oh?
 
had I been born 50 years earlier I might not have survived. YaY Science!
 
#yolo
 
9:56 PM
I really want this beatsbydre.com/earphones/beats-powerbeats2-wireless.html but $200 for workout headphones... ugh
 
I've had lots of headphones, one of the best I have is the one from Lidl at 7,99€. Better sound than one I had for more than 100$...
 
Also, that seems to be what you want to do right now. I want to do something else right now
 
@SterlingArcher I workout with ear buds
 
Same, but sweat kills all my headphones
 
9:57 PM
shit sound, but they are compact and I can toss em in my gym bag without worrying
also they cost like $5 so I don't care if they break
 
@copy no, I mainly contribute to one project. I think this room has the potential to do this though. 5-10 people > 1 people.
 
I never snap the wires or anything, it's always water damage
But I must have good quality headphones
I hate hearing shit over my music
 
I'm currently wearing these JVC's
 
recently I've just listening to the gym music :/
 
@SterlingArcher Don't buy Beats by Dr Dre then...
 
9:57 PM
it isn't bad.
 
@SterlingArcher if you shit loud enough to hear over your music, see a doctor
 
@rlemon my gym plays all kinds of mediocre pop. I feel mildly guilty, but it's not bad.
 
@Basj I like their sound quality
 
except when they played kesha yesterday. Then everyone started dancing.
 
@TomW the sad part... that's kind of true. But it's not screaming, it's grunts xD
 
9:58 PM
@ssube mine plays 90's rock on weekends, and 90's rock / pop shit during the week
you move from "omg what the hell is this" to summer of 69
 
@FlorianMargaine Of course we have the potential. But we do whatever we want to do. If we want to do something together, it has to be something that appeals to everyone
 
@SterlingArcher I've seen blind tests , they don't have specific sound (for their price range)... But they have mega good marketing ...
 
Gym music doesn't play ghetto rap or metal
 
fuck, 4:59
 
@Basj you've seen blind tests for sound quality?
 
9:59 PM
later g8trs
 
Later brah
 

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