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4:09 AM
I am fully in favor of @SachinS guidelines has to be strictly followed. If an app wins and that against the guidelines, its wrong with the other developers out their who give there 100% to fulfill every guideline. I think Stackoverflow and MS taken this very lightly to announce the winner without even disclosing why they have won, how much they get in each category. There has to be transparency in the system.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:26 AM
still no result
 
This competition is totally unfair for so many developers. There are so many of them could not compete in this one as they do not own some other platform apps. Now MS decide to relax that limitation. Is this some kind of joke!
If some apptivate official listen, what about "Meanings" app, it is in grand prize for contestants which are outside of US, But iGadget is owned by US company????
@Will - You are right, MS and Stackoverflow have taken this very lightly.
Why there were rules if later they can be changed? Why don't just say submit apps and MS will decide it :)
 
5:45 AM
yes, also if you can delay the result as per your will, why you cant change the date for those developers who missed the contest by few hours. This is completely unprofessional from StackOverflow and MS
 
6:05 AM
Yes I missed deadline just by weekend :(. If they have delayed result to Monday why can't submission be delayed by same time. They are already changing rules
I am wondering why other developers who have put so much effort in submission are not raising concerns???
 
 
3 hours later…
9:23 AM
Its near about approx 9 Am UTC still no result declared
 
 
3 hours later…
12:45 PM
@Will is result declared?
 
1:40 PM
@Vandana no
 
2:04 PM
hi everyone! let me tell you guys a little bit about why things are taking so long
the reason is that there are very few apps who meet all of the requirements for this contest - having a "before" app, having an "after" app that was accepted to the Windows Store during the contest period, having screenshots, having a video showing off both versions of the app, etc etc - there were not enough fully complete submissions to complete the contest
as such, we have had to relax some of the requirements, or else there would be no winners, which is no fun for anyone
 
its fine if there is not enough apps, you can give the prizes those are eligible and fulfill the guidelines and scrap the prizes if no one is eligible
what gonna happened if you take more time?
 
@Will - Yes i agree with will. That is fair to everyone
 
will they become eligible if you take more time
 
what's taking the time is the discussion about what we do. Microsoft went ahead and rushed into awarding the Grand Prizes because they were extremely time-sensitive, since the conference is at the end of this month. i don't agree with that decision but i don't have much of a choice in the matter.
 
@AbbyT. Miller what about grand prize app "Meanings" which is not elligible at all?
 
2:11 PM
decision has to be genuine
and there is no need to take so much time. take the final decision and close the issue
 
yes it has to be fair. results should be awarded to ONLY elligible apps.
 
the issue of the ownership of the "before" iGoogle app for Meanings didn't come to light until after the prize had already been awarded, and it's not something they can undo. the app was chosen for the Windows 8 version, and that developer is located in Sri Lanka, which is non-US
so the question now is, since that mistake was made (and i fully admit that it was a mistake), do we relax that requirement for everyone else?
@Will i am working with a huge amount of red tape and bureaucracy within Microsoft, if it were just Stack Overflow that got to make these decisions it'd be done already :)
 
Come on ... it is not at all fair to developers who are participating or ones who are considerate enough not to bluff the system
 
i agree with you
that's why we're in such a mess with this right now
 
no, you can change the rules after completion
no, you can not change the rules after completion
sry for typo
 
2:14 PM
@Will i agree, that is what i'm saying, but a rule got broken by accident and it's not revocable
so there's no way to continue things that's fair to everyone, do you see what i mean?
 
@will - this is making fun of developers who spent time and played by rules of game
 
@AbbyT.Miller now I understand your situation its all because of MS involvement
 
i can't totally blame them, the judges are SO and MS combined, but things are very difficult
nobody is trying to make fun of the honest devs who played by the rules
 
@AbbyT. Miller - whats the reason nobody check the ellgibility of apps before granting awards?
 
@Will @SachinS @Vandana can you guys send me links to your apps on apptivate?
@SachinS we checked the eligibility of the Windows 8 versions, but some details of the "before" versions slipped through the cracks
 
2:17 PM
Yes thats the point, we played by rules and someone just bluffed the system :)
 
yup, it's very unfortunate
 
yes very disheartening too :(.
 
@AbbyT.Miller how it can be done working with such big organization?
 
That clear breach of ellgibility, i cannot think why MS cannot revoke the reward???
 
i'd like to see it revoked, that's what i'm working on now
 
2:20 PM
@AbbyT.Miller whats gonna happen? If I provide you my app URL.
 
How can you reward someone who do not ful fill the eligibility. Its against rules and common sense??? I understand mistakes happen, but they need to be corrected :)
 
yes, revoke the prizes and let the deserving candidate win the prize.
 
I second that
 
yup, i hear you guys, i'm working on it
but that is why the announcement of the rest of the winners is taking so long :)
 
you guys have already one week to decide that. what are you doing at that time? (pardon me for being so rude)
 
2:26 PM
calls back and forth with microsoft and the agency that awards the prizes
things take forever with behemoth companies like this
we have to figure out what we're allowed to do legally, etc
 
ok, take your time and please come with genuine result.
 
here is what i would like to see happen:
 
I guess rules need to be kept same or changed so that it is fair to everyone
@Abby T. Miller Here is my app url - apps.microsoft.com/windows/app/vocabmeter/….
 
i want to see the grand prize revoked from "meanings", and i want to see the rest of the prizes awarded to apps that 1. have a "before" app that the developer owns, and 2. have a windows 8 port that was created and accepted to the store during the contest period
 
@Abby T.Miller There are so many developers who have not submitted apps just because they do not own previous version apps. I am sure if they have submitted our apps are not good enough compete with them . so you think it is fair to those guys?
 
2:32 PM
yes, because the point of this contest was porting your own app to windows 8
there are plenty of contests that are just about developing apps. this one is about porting apps, so if you didn't have an app to port, it wasn't for you - i don't see what's unfair about that
 
@AbbyT.Miller apptivate.ms/apps/52/delhi-ncr-metro my app URL
 
@Abby T. Miller _ oh i meant in scenario where developers do not own apps but still awarded prizes
 
we want to avoid that, that's why we're trying to revoke the grand prize from "meanings"
 
oh, I thought you said it cannot be undone above somewhere. my bad!
 
i'm working on it - can't make any promises but i hope that's what happens :)
 
2:37 PM
me too. we just want to fair chance to compete :)
typo - remove to
 
off topic but you can edit messages in chat up until a few minutes after you post them - just hit the "up" arrow in the text box and it will show up (and then you can edit them like this)
 
@Abby By when you think all this will be sorted out?
 
today i hope
 
thanks for tip.
@Abby, If rules are changed, they will be something like this as you said in above post - 1. have a "before" app that the developer owns, and 2. have a windows 8 port that was created and accepted to the store during the contest period (which is June 14th, 2013)
 
yes, that's what i'm pushing for
 
2:42 PM
It sounds fine to me till it is fair to every participant here
 
i think that is the way to make it the most fair
 
Me too if rules being changed. In other case just award the ones who are truly elligible as per all rules and scrap other awards.
@Abby - Any clue about what time we can hear from you again on results thing?
 
ASAP, but MS is 3 hours behind me in time zones so they aren't in the office yet
 
ok. Thank you for being such a patient listener :)
 
3:09 PM
doing my best! i'm sorry this has been so confusing
 
Results...!!Results...!!Results...!!Results...!!
We all are Waiting for this only...!!!! Hope it will announce soon...!!!
 
i updated the site message on the site, but i'll say it here too:
Prize announcements are delayed due to rules disputes. Next update at 21:00 UTC on 18 Jun 2013.
 
3:30 PM
@Abby r u sure that this time it will display on time...???
 
@Abby - Thanks for updates.
 
@PRUTHVIRAJMOHITE i'm not sure that the winners will be announced then, no - but i am sure that there will be another status update from me on what's happening at that time
 
@Abby - If rules are changed. there will be fresh look at alll entries or how process will play?
 
@Abby what u think which rules will be change..???
 
if the rules are changed, then all apps that are determined to have been properly ported (that is, they have a "before" app owned by the developer, and an "after" app accepted during the contest period) will be evaluated for second and third prizes
 
3:35 PM
if we dont have "before" app then what will be criteria for "After" app to win ....??
 
if you don't have a "before" app, you are not eligible to win
 
For Non-US (just to be clear I am not elligible for that) entry, will there be new selection for Grand Prize (as already selected is not elligible at all)?
 
assuming there is time to reassign the Grand Prize, there will be another non-US winner selected, yes
 
thats sounds good. Hope judges take out some time to do so for Grand Prize for Non-US entry
 
and if we have "before" app but not registered with same name as that of "After" app...??? means any friends app then...???
 
3:40 PM
@SachinS the concern isn't the judges' time, it's a question of whether or not they can get the logistics (BUILD passes, travel, etc) set up in time
@PRUTHVIRAJMOHITE you must be the owner of both the original app and the windows 8 port to be eligible
 
@Abby, oh ok.
 
but i am hoping that will not be a problem :)
 
@Abby - That will be between MS, SO and Grand prize winner :) We only have problem in case of stated rules are not followed
 
yup!
unofficially, i just got some emails that look like meanings will indeed be disqualified
 
i guess that is fair, as it clearly violates the theme of this contest
 
3:48 PM
i agree
 
@AbbyT.Miller tell me the pure Windows app developer will create account on Windows store or windows phone rather than creating on google play or Apple Store right???
but even he is not Android developer or Itune app developer still he create only 1 app of Android or Apple then to want to upload it on android or apple store, is it necessary to upload app on store from his own account (why he will waste money to create Store for Android apps or Apple Apps to upload only a single app on those store as it need money to upload app on store), he can upload his app from his friend account right?
@PRUTHVIRAJMOHITE
 
@Raju he will need to be able to prove his ownership of both apps
 
some Pure Windows app developer don't know perfect about android or apple apps so he can give some raw app to his friend who is android or apple app developer and
he will continue ahead in the app & upload it on store from his account as team work but uploaded from friends account automatically his name will be given to app then if some participant have before app from another account developed by him but uploaded on store from his friend account but he pored same app and uploaded on windows 8 store and mentioned the name of his friend too... then
 
that would be fine, as long as you can prove that you developed both apps - so if it looks like the apps came from two different developers, you'll need to provide some kind of proof
 
4:06 PM
okkkk I saw in some app of windows store there is link like "details" on the store app page in that licence agreement you may find name of all developers also mentioned android app developer's name too that that participant ported that android developers app will it ok/???
 
yup, that should work!
 
Okkkk... then check app links in detail
 
@Raju tell me your app so i can make a note of it?
 
not my app in the contest I works as reviewer not developer I found such cases while reviewing app that time I found one entry I have talked with that personality personally online he told me this so I just cleared my doubt
 
ah i see - what's his app?
just want to make sure i don't overlook it :)
 
4:10 PM
this app... but he has more votes
seriously his UI of app is best
hav a look on it
 
Ya.....
Its Best App
me too like UI and concept too....
 
and another app I found in same category is bit.ly/11MmX8g
 
@AbbyT.Miller yeah agree with Raju
 
both of these are really nice looking apps
 
@AbbyT.Miller I think you are reassigning grand prize winner ryt???
If the Non US grand prize winner not have ready with their passport to come to san fransisco then they cant come to conference. then he will miss his prize??? he will not get anything
 
4:22 PM
last app mentioned do not seem to belong to same developer?
These are two websites for same app - before and after submission
I guess verification of before and after app needs to be thorough so that no one can scam the system :)
Reference was to this app - bit.ly/11MmX8g
 
@AbbyT.Miller I think you are reassigning grand prize winner ryt???
If the Non US grand prize winner not have ready with their passport to come to san fransisco then they cant come to conference. then he will miss his prize??? he will not get anything
 
correct, that's why if we are unable to successfully reassign the grand prize, it will go unawarded
 
@AbbyT.Miller reply
@AbbyT.Miller waiting for your reply
I think you are reassigning grand prize winner ryt???
If the Non US grand prize winner not have ready with their passport to come to san fransisco then they cant come to conference. then he will miss his prize??? he will not get anything
 
9 mins ago, by Abby T. Miller
correct, that's why if we are unable to successfully reassign the grand prize, it will go unawarded
 
4:39 PM
but If the Non US grand prize winner not have ready with their passport to come to san fransisco then they cant come to conference. then he will miss his prize??? he will not get anything
 
if that situation comes up, we will see if it's possible to figure out an alternative - this will be on a case-by-case basis
 
means you will give alternate prize to them??? if they cant able to attend conference???
 
it depends on the situation, i can't tell you for sure what will happen when it is hypothetical
I'm stepping away from this chat room for lunch - sit tight if you have more questions, everyone :)
 
Well I was about to ask you do not have lunch :)
It is lunch time
 
I think you should give alternate prize to the grand prize winner those cant attend conference in san fransisco because of their passport problem... the alternate should be money you should gave them
 
5:35 PM
Abby, you're a good sport.
 
thanks @Larsenal, just doing my job :)
 
@Abby is there some more unofficial news?
 
nope, nothing yet
 
@Abby - Just a doubt, if before and after apps are developed by different person. Before app is already is released by different developer and after app by different person and for contest it is presented as one, does that qualify as valid entry?
If yes, how will it be validated that it is not being presented as one for sake of this contest?
 
5:53 PM
@SachinS there isn't really a way to validate that - it's the honor system, unfortunately
 
well that's the point and works if everyone plays by rules :(
 
which unfortunately people do not always do
 
Yes, that's why every contest has validation part :) Here it is not implemented very strictly
 
we had much bigger issues with this than with the first apptivate contest, unfortunately
i'm not sure why
 
Yupp it is really sad.
I realized lately Windows platform has really nice scope for apps. To my surprise I had more downloads in my windows app then in android app.
Even though android is there from last few months. I guess android and iOs market are too saturated right now
@Abby - I think major reason is that so many developers could not participate in this one as it was about porting. Which makes it very specific. Otherwise there are so many good apps developer are developing which would have automatically removed lot of issues you are facing.
 
6:03 PM
yup, that's definitely true
microsoft was interested in hosting a contest about porting because the last one was about developing new apps, and they wanted to start going after the already existing marketplaces
 
Most of these issues boil down to authenic before and after apps. I found there are so many entries somehow are not valid because of this rule. As they have after app and just to fill before app things are crafted or someone else app is used :)
@Abby - As per announement on home page, that's the time you will get new rules if there are changes or actual results will be announced?
 
@SachinS that's the time that i'll update everyone with as much as i know
 
Thanks Abby!
 
no problem! i hope i will have good news for you guys
 
Well any news is good news till rules are kept same or changed in a way it is fair for everyone :)
 
 
2 hours later…
8:32 PM
Hi everyone! I have some updates on the Grand Prize awards, as well as the results of the rest of the Developer Contest. Without further ado…
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Meanings has been disqualified and Petrucci Sheet Music is the new International Grand Prize Winner.
The only Second and Third Prize winners due to eligibility issues are HexReader and EduHeap, respectively - congratulations to those winners!
I also have the results of the Reviewer Sweepstakes. And the winners are...
the Bronze winners, winning an Apptivate T-shirt, are: PLens, Senthil Kumar B, anthropomo, moderator, Grigmin, KronoS, Adarsh Gumashta, xyroid, Santa, balajimca, Vlad, Aditya Patil, Fox32, Sathya Narayanan Subramanian, Vandana, ComFreek, aqua, and Sandra!
the Silver winners, winning a 1-year Office 365 subscription, are: gurehbgui, Siva Charan, yamspog, RichardTheKiwi, Larsenal, Sachin S, Abu, John Koerner, Annonomus Person, and Software Developer!
aaand the Gold winners, winning a Windows Surface Pro, are: 15km, George Duckett, and ho1!
Congratulations to all of our winners, and thanks to everyone who participated!
 
Sweet!
Thanks, Abby
 
8:50 PM
congratulations :)
all - i'm out for the night - if you have questions or concerns i will see them here when i return at 10AM Eastern tomorrow morning :)
 
9:12 PM
Thanks Abby! Congrats everyone!!!
 
 
2 hours later…
11:17 PM
Completely disagree with your result... Only 1runner up, in rules you said 2runnerup will be there per category and one 3rd prize winner from each category you selected only 1 runner up and 1 3rd prize winner..
 
11:32 PM
KidsZone and 文学城 WenXueCity are the perfect before and after app their own rather than current hexreader and eduheap.. There are some other apps too those have before app kidszone, 文学城 WenXueCity, cupcake etc. Then why prizes not given to them. Also KidsZone app is at first rank, so i think you have to distribute 10 surface for this contest like 2 per group total 5 group. If you are giving only 1 surface to one runner up team then you should give prize to people choice too.. Public demand vote
For high votes.
App to kidszone
@AbbyT.Miller what's your view on public choice award to kidsZone most favourite app of apptivate 2 contest you should give prize as surface... Are you agree???
Completely disagree with your result... Only 1runner up, in rules you said 2runnerup will be there per category and one 3rd prize winner from each category you selected only 1 runner up and 1 3rd prize winner..
 

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