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12:00 AM
jQueryPack
 
@Luggage good point
 
yo we heard you like webpack, so we put a webpick in your webpack so you can webpack while you webpack
 
One of the jobs that I'm hoping for an offer from uses CoffeeScript... Sad to write it, but I'll write any language as long as the job/company is really awesome
 
webpack-loader
 
I'm glad, webpick + webpack is awesome
 
12:01 AM
I'm still liking systemjs
 
@ndugger so low man, so low
 
@ndugger Convince them to go back to JS now that it has lambdas, etc.
 
@ndugger move to Canada
 
typing hard
 
only solution
 
12:01 AM
convince them with violence.
 
oh yeah right @mosho, should I go for systemjs instead? Do they solve the same problem?
 
yo dawg, we heard you liked lambdas, so we put lambdas in your node so you can lambda on lambda
 
(phrasing)
 
@towc they do, but webpack is a lot more popular
 
@Luggage I'll be the Sr most JS dev that will help steer the front end architecture, so my long term goal will be to slowly move new things to use babel instead
 
12:02 AM
@ssube now make it work with amazon lambda
 
ok, I'll get started with that, then move over
 
@NathanJones that's what I mean
 
I think systemjs is a much cleaner approach to the problem
 
!!doge lambda,webpack,coffeescript
 
         wow
                 so lambda
                             very webpack
such coffeescript
 
12:02 AM
@ndugger you can always convert file-by-file.
 
I still think webpack hmr is a turd
 
Or transpile the whole thing, but only full line comments will be retained..
 
Yeah, probably not the best thing to do when I get there... rewrite and rearchitect everything to undermine the people before me... lol
 
Of course not, but after you are established, I would introduce the idea.
 
move. to. Canada.
:chants:
 
12:04 AM
@Luggage see that's what our newest guy tried to do. day 1 he said we should rewrite everything
 
@rlemon I don't even have a passport
 
get one?
 
Later
 
@towc see how the hot reload works in our project
 
I'll need one soon so I can travel internationally, to places like Ireland, or Norway
 
12:05 AM
if you can get the same result in webpack I'll be impressed
 
I had to get one for work
 
Until then, the US is big, and I have tons of places to visit here
 
it took a couple hours
cost $100
wasn't bad at all
 
I have a question professor: what's hot reload?
(for anyone confused, I work for/with mosho now)
 
we weren't
 
12:07 AM
hot reload one cup
 
@towc ignore these fools
 
when you always have one squatting by
 
it's when you save your codez and the page updates without refreshing
people who use webpack won't know what real hot reload is if it hit them on the head
 
that's all hot reload can do
 
which it often does
 
12:09 AM
it's less of a feature
 
@Mosho isn't that really unsafe? Wouldn't you rather tell the user that the page is reloading in 3 seconds and after the reload tell them that there was an update and the page reloaded?
 
and react-hot-reload is the biggest piece of shit ever
 
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4
Q: Exceeding 100% vertical height with bordered table

carb0nshel1On full screen view this code produces a vertical scroll bar. Why does this occur when the table's height is set to 100%? I've tried changing the box-sizing property to border-box to include the 1px border width inside the table's 100% height. Is changing the table height to something like 99.999...

 
it's not for users. it's for develoeprs
 
@towc it's for development purposes
 
12:09 AM
oh, right
 
@carb0nshel1 Please don't just come into the room and drop your Qs without even trying to contribute to discussion.
 
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sowwey :(
 
user4330208
I thought it was interesting how simple yet elusive it seemed.
 
actually, where did you people learn these things? Surely they didn't teach you about react and webpack in college...
internships?
 
yep, and jobs, and actually doing it
most of us never went to college
 
12:17 AM
ok, but you must have started somewhere, with people who actually wanted to hire you
or, again, internships
makes sense
 
@towc google and here.
 
I got an internship with my graphics skills, doing mods and demos and such.
 
started from the bottom, now we're javascript
 
@towc I learned almost everything I know about development by developing.
and most of that as a hobby
 
sometimes even documentation
 
12:18 AM
worked my way up to being a developer, then into ops
 
my question is more what prompted you to learning these things
who told you to learn them and so on
 
I was bored
 
@carb0nshel1 try border-collapse: separate;
 
so during another job you learnt more js?
and in that original job you did vanillajs?
find it hard to believe
 
I did, why not?
 
12:20 AM
That about sums it up, though
 
contracting
 
@towc My brain has an insatiable craving for knowledge
 
I learned React out of my desire not to use Angular
told the boss we were using React for our next project, dove in
 
I learned things because what we had sucked.
 
@Loktar when he was born ipods already existed
 
12:20 AM
many people do NOT learn all these things. I know many programmers that are still on es5 JS w/ jquery and don't know that things like webpack exist.
 
My fist job was a startup where I could use whatever. My second job I lead the front end development and could do whatever. It wasn't until my third and most recent job that my stack was dictated to me
 
and never will
 
yeah many programmers don't care
and just collect a pay check
 
Knowing what tools exist is half the battle
 
I'd say close to 99% are like that in the real world
 
12:21 AM
Honestly, I wish I didn't care. It would make life easier.
 
the smart ones
 
but you get a different breed in here
 
@Loktar idk about that (99%)
 
I mean we spend our time in a tech chat
 
well, 99% of humans are indians anyway
 
12:21 AM
better or worse bread
 
@Mosho well 99% of who I've worked with I guess :P
and interviewed..
 
all bread is good
 
there are millions of devs employed
 
White bread is not good
 
I'd say it's close to thousands who care
 
12:22 AM
that's true
I forgot about white bread
 
hundreds of thousands, or 10's
 
#MostBreadsMatter
 
bread makes you fat?
 
for every one of us in here whats the size of the team we work with who aren't places like this or working on side projects?
 
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#BrownBreadsMatter
 
12:22 AM
i'm already fat
 
White bread does @ssube
 
@Loktar don't mean they don't care
 
@Loktar .
 
can't remember where I've seen the face of the male in that gif
 
@Mosho I mean don't care beyond a job
 
12:24 AM
@towc michael cera? a lot of places
 
I think he's done "the double" or something
 
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@towc Are you in love with him? ahaha.
 
@WATERYMEL0N so much
 
he's been in a shitload of movies
 
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Yip
 
12:25 AM
also, that sounds like an italian surname, I can't love him anymore
 
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@WATERYMEL0N please don't... we don't need to start a race war in here
 
we only race to start a war on the dance floor
 
unless it's racing cars.
 
actually, are any of us non-white?
 
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Meh.
 
12:25 AM
#2true
 
I'm red
 
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@towc Haha, omg.
 
I'm yellow
 
fair enough
 
I'm white
who's blue?
 
12:26 AM
@rlemon I remember my first beer
 
I'm goddamn rainbow
 
We need to form the american flag with our bodies
 
I'll be the pole.
 
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Who is non-from america?
 
dank
 
12:26 AM
non-from
 
@WATERYMEL0N many of us
 
I'm from the americas
 
@KendallFrey I've seen that shit and it's creepy
 
@KendallFrey Why did this not even cross my mind? Something is wrong with me
 
12:27 AM
lol
 
@ssube I still remember the lyrics
 
da ba dee
I listen to it every once in a while
 
so many school dances
 
@Mosho I have a blue house with a blue window
 
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@ssube Fuck'n creepy alright.
 
12:28 AM
yeah that's pretty much the extent of what I remember
 
@rlemon I first heard it as part of a "flashback" program on the radio
 
that and "If I was green, I would die"
 
user6438653
This is weird and creepy as well:
 
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12:30 AM
cyriak is love
 
user6438653
The music is the worst part.
 
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@KendallFrey It's all so well done.
 
ok, time for sweet dreams, with cows and lambs randomly splitting and recomposing
lambs...
lambdas...
 
not yams
 
you're broken
 
12:37 AM
maybe that's why I want to eat lambdas...
 
you're really broken
 
it's the drugs
 
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@KendallFrey Yip, he's broken.
 
!!giphy computer says no
 
12:38 AM
wait, florian's around?
 
user6438653
Who's florian?
 
the guy you randomly pinged
margaine
 
looks like a misping
what with the edit
 
user6438653
Ohh FlorianMargaine
 
user6438653
@FlorianMargaine == @KendallFrey
 
12:39 AM
don't ping em too many times
 
HOW
 
@towc how does linux work?
nobody really knows
 
fucking magnets
 
^
 
magnets have a hardware rootkit in them
 
12:41 AM
@ssube you can hack magnets alright
 
user6438653
Does anyone have some tips or code for a code parser?
 
what kind of parser?
like, for writing your own language?
 
user6438653
A programming language parser
 
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@ssube Yip.
 
@WATERYMEL0N I have some hq-lang parser if you want
 
12:42 AM
pegjs.org is my current favorite
antlr.org is The One
the standard with all the fun stuff
 
user6438653
hq-lang?
 
user6438653
I looked at those.
 
it has 3 tokens: h, q, everything else
everything else is disgarded, h prints "hello world" and q is a quine, prints the source code
 
user6438653
Yeah, okay, cool, thank you.
 
fairly easy to make a parser for it :P
 
12:43 AM
pegjs is pretty easy to use and works really well for fairly simple languages
but PEG can't handle everything
 
user6438653
How do I parse brakets tho?
 
or actually, try making a brainfuck parser, it's good for the bare basics
 
user6438653
Peg is annoying.
 
@WATERYMEL0N brackets are just ignored in hq
@WATERYMEL0N you're annoying. How rude
 
@WATERYMEL0N parse how?
@towc stop spamming people
 
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12:44 AM
I'm trying to parse functions and classes.
 
Hand write a parser.
 
user6438653
@towc I know.
 
it's not es6, but it will parse es5 and give you a nice AST
you can also, if you just care about JS, use Esprima or Acorn
 
user6438653
That's cool, it'l help a lot. Thank you so much. XD
 
12:47 AM
oh man, letting apt-get update the gitlab runner during an ansible run from that runner is a Bad Thing
 
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ho boy, you need a parser library there somem awful
 
Yeah man don't write your own parsers
 
user6438653
I just looks at peg's source code, now this is much easier. I'll post the code when I'm done.
 
That's like the 3rd rule of programming
 
12:53 AM
use yacc if you have to
 
user6438653
I'm autistic, I'm fine. hahaha
 
user6438653
If that's the third rule, then why does peg exist?
 
peg is writing a grammar, not writing a parser
 
user6438653
It's a parser than can be customised!
 
sort of
 
12:57 AM
@ssube bison
 
user6438653
The people who made it broke the rules.
 
the grammar is the good part
@WATERYMEL0N somebody had to once
it's like writing a text editor
 
user6438653
Like antlr, the maker broke the rules as well.
 
user6438653
@ssube If somebody did it once it can be done again.
 
sure, but usually, you want to focus on the grammar and runtime
that's the fun part
text parsing is really just not
 
12:59 AM
That's too easy, though.
 
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I am trying so hard to not use regex.
 
Handwriting one is where the fun is.
 

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