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2:00 PM
@Raja It works on regexr, I heard it's like a jsfiddle for regex
 
iirc there was a proposal in es7 that would facilitate this, I just can't seem to find anything about it
maybe I was dreaming
 
@Raja "nothing happens" is more specific than "it didn't work", wouldn't you agree?
 
@neil yea thanks.
 
I am just so dead
 
Could do something like
const foo = {
  [new Symbol('bar')]: () => {}
}
 
2:02 PM
you can have computed properties.. not computed identifiers..
 
You don't have to take my advice. Keep saying that it doesn't work and I'm sure somebody will help you eventually
 
@rlemon Yeah
I'm looking more to something like
function [mySymbol]() { ... }
 
so, remember the 16GB usb stick that my debian didn't like and that 1GB stick in which I couldn't fit that ISO? Went to town to buy 2 other USBs, debian didn't like either
 
Although, I supposed it wouldn't make too much sense.
 
@neil I am taking your advice :p your right I should be clearer when describing why it doesn't work
 
2:03 PM
Thats basically asking to let #'x'+1# = 0 ; // is let x1 =0
 
tried to follow that tutorial
to reformat it to what debian might like
but it was too late when I noticed that it doesn't actually reformat it anywhere, it just parts it
aaand I couldn't get the size of any partition to be more than 512B for some weird reason
 
@Raja I didn't mean to come across as an asshole, but I think sometimes I am anyway. The advice was sincere though I promise. ;)
 
tried putting it into my windows machine, but it doesn't even recognize the usb anymnore...
 
@neil no don't worry man! you guys must get alot of stupid questions from people who are entitled to a response :p I get it..
 
@MadaraUchiha with a global namespace (global/window) you can do this very ugly like. :/ I can't find anything internally that would allow it, not even with destructuring abuses :/
 
2:07 PM
@rlemon Ah well
Could have been interesting
 
and now neither does my debian machine
 
identifiers are static.. i'm not sure of any language which allows you to have dynamic variable names..
 
You know, when I first started SO I thought it was impossible to get 30 upvotes, but I have 2 answers with 30
 
@towc didn't like?
 
That's cool
 
2:07 PM
wat
 
@littlepootis wrong fs error
 
And I almost have 400k reach!
!!afk walkies
 
@cswl PHP
aka variable variables
 
@littlepootis believe it or not I'm still trying to boot from the ISO you linked me to
 
@cswl most of them
 
2:09 PM
@neil @oliversalzburg I made a fiddle to show how it didn't work :) jsfiddle.net/atrc4p99/1
 
Bash, Perl, PHP
 
neat
2 million reached
 
@Raja Works perfectly, your example just didn't include the full test data :P
Try <(vc_custom_heading.*?)(?:[^\/]>) instead
 
5k reached, lol.
I need to start answering some questions, lol.
 
@OliverSalzburg I was scared you would feel overwhelmed :p
 
2:12 PM
Yeah so basically.. any language which allows you to evaluate code at runtime... :|
 
who knows something about stakeholder onion diagram?
 
@PomeGranate This guy does
 
<(vc_custom_heading.*?)(?:[^\/]>) this worked! but now it removes the single quotes @oliversalzburg here you go jsfiddle.net/atrc4p99/2
 
yeah*
 
@PomeGranate mmmm steak and onions
 
2:14 PM
@Trasiva is the developer itself also on the onion rings mmmm
 
most developers eat onion rings
 
@Raja Oh, wait, that swallows the ', should probably be <(vc_custom_heading[^\/]*?)(?:>)
 
steak holder and onion rings
 
Onion rings are gross
 
@oliversalzburg lol thanks you killed it!
 
2:14 PM
@Neil With a side of mashed potatoes with butter and gravy made from the steak sauces in the pan, mmmmm.
 
@BenCraig blasphemer!
 
Onion rings are gross, but I want some.
 
@oliversalzburg merci beaucoup!
 
But even then.. . identifiers cannot be a primitive/object values..
 
So oily and ... ugh
cant do it
 
2:15 PM
@PomeGranate According to the that document, those that interact with the product are in the second layer, so that would be a yes.
 
@Trasiva now I'm hungry again
 
the first layer is the product itself
ok thx
 
@Neil Hi Hungry Again, I'm Trasiva.
 
according to which document Oo
 
@PomeGranate The one I fucking linked you?
 
user1596138
2:16 PM
@Trasiva Hi Trasiva, I'm hungry.
 
@cswl anything can be an object or primitive. You've clearly never met Lisp. :P
 
you linked me something? I didnt see it Oo
wait wait
 
Also, since you mentioned steak @Neil.
 
haha omg
 
3 mins ago, by Trasiva
@PomeGranate This guy does
 
2:17 PM
I thought you mean yourself with "this guy does"
 
does it matter what system do you run UNetBootin in?
 
...I wouldn't have made it a link.
 
for example if I were to burn an ISO on usb to use on another machine
 
didn't actually notice the link ashamedeatingOnionRings*
 
@Trasiva hi dad
 
2:18 PM
@towc unetbootin is not my favorite tool
never had it work reliably
 
@ssube what is then?
 
UNetBootin is crap, just use dd or the disk image software
 
@towc rufus.akeo.ie is the one I've been using lately
unetbootin never seems to write the MBR correctly
 
@rlemon on windows, can't dd :/
 
get a liveCD
:D
 
2:19 PM
@Trasiva according to the link, developers are in the 4. layer
 
@towc don't you have Git bash? it comes with dd from mingw64, but there's also cygwin's implementation
 
Yeah, install cygwin or mingw
 
@PomeGranate Then do that. I didn't read the damn article, it looked like it was relevant, AND IT WAS THE TOP GOOGLE SEARCH USING YOUR EXACT WORDING.
 
wow thats a huge font you use there
 
So the lesson here is: Try googling, the magical wizards at Google might just give you the answers you need!
 
2:21 PM
@towc which DE?
 
@MadaraUchiha do you really need to use symbols in place of identifiers in function expressions or would some functional approach work?
 
man I just wrote that, because I thought you also want to know it, and NOT to fuck with you haha
 
@FilipDupanović Nah, I can easily accomplish the same thing with a closure
 
@littlepootis mate
 
But I was just curious, it all
 
2:21 PM
I also had the same link already opened and just wanted to discuss with the community
 
!!s/a\sclosure/jQuery/
 
@jAndy @FilipDupanović Nah, I can easily accomplish the same thing with jQuery (source)
 
...oh, well then. Carry on, fruit boy.
 
Can you register a custom well-known Symbol?
 
mate+nonfree
 
2:22 PM
@towc
1) Install Cygwin or Mingw or whatever
2) `dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sd[yourdevice] bs=4M`
 
you can just export a symbol
 
why are my mans jeans so hitch-up
 
@littlepootis I have cygwin, I did kinda try that route. It has neither fdisk or lsblk installed, so I don't really know where my device is
 
yeah.. i guess being able to access a Symbol without a reference.. would be against the point of Symbols..
 
@towc install them too
 
2:24 PM
I guess I'll try installing them if rufus doesn't work
 
Yay my headphones and combat gloves arrive today!
 
@towc cygwin isn't going to work right either
it never works
 
@ssube battle it out with pootis
 
@SterlingArcher I'll give you six months to get ready to rumble in the cage.
 
You can raw write do USB from windows.. there is a program..
 
2:25 PM
dd --list to list devices
ditch rufus. try this.
 
$ dd --list
dd: unknown option -- -
 
@towc lol
 
@Trasiva I'm going to try lol it should be a good cardio replacement a couple times a week to shake it up
I try to keep my workouts random so I don't get in a routine rut
 
anyone use "ubuntu on windows", yet?
 
@towc there is this thing called unetbootin that has worked fairly well for me
 
2:26 PM
Constant variation for maximum results
 
@Luggage I use debian on chrome os
 
@FlorianMargaine pootis and the sub were both "nope nope nope"
 
Hey, guys, any recommendations on date pickers? (:
 
2:26 PM
@FlorianMargaine crouton?
 
@FlorianMargaine we've already covered how unetbootin rarely works
 
@JoãoPaiva Tinder
 
@SterlingArcher yeah
 
now pootis is suggesting using cygwin to run a vm to run a mainframe to run dd
 
@ssube never failed me
 
2:26 PM
that's nice, but I'm more curious how windows users are fairing with this new development. I already know about real linux.
 
@SterlingArcher It's also called muscle confusion, keep your muscles from getting into a routine. Loser of the fight has to buy the winner dininer at the place of their choice.
 
Are you running a full debian distro or a mini version like kubuntu?
 
Kubuntu is a mini version?
 
I tried to install kubuntu but it wouldn't let me install mysql or redis
 
2:27 PM
@ssube add lights to it, bring him to a rave. youtube.com/watch?v=vQHgzbezD6g
 
kubuntu is like 45 gigs
 
kubuntu isn't mini. it's just a different window manager
 
Your UEFI is broken.. no boots from USB ..
 
@FlorianMargaine tried with that a couple of times, but the other windows machine won't boot with it
 
2:27 PM
what? no way, I installed it on my chromebook
 
I've found the problem. Apparently... meteor has its own distribution of promise that is literally completely different than es6's promise? why.
 
@towc Windows machine?
 
@corvid I thought you were done with tthat shit.
 
@cswl Symbol.for(key) has it's applications, if you think about it for a bit; to gain access to the value, you can use a shared symbol, but someone has to provide you with the correct context
 
@littlepootis previously running ubuntu, but it's still a windows machine
 
2:28 PM
what's different about meteor's promise?
 
@Luggage Two week notice, yo. Gotta finish stuff
 
Ohh.. I thought you were at a new job already.
 
as in, the "system setup" that you get through F12 on boot probably comes from windows
 
@towc have you, say, selected the USB drive while you're booting?
@towc windows doesn't provide any system setup menus
 
2:29 PM
@ssube multiple times in different ways. It just ignores it
 
@SterlingArcher I'm familiar with debootstrap, and crouton's options are similar, it was easy for me to create my debian chroot
 
@ssube then who did? 0.o
 
Do you have something like.. a rescue mode that allows you to boot from usb?
 
@towc your BIOS maker
 
@towc your mother board, I guess
 
2:30 PM
@littlepootis pretty sure it will still ignore the usb if it's not properly formatted
 
Debian has a bootloader in it.
If you just dd, it should work.
 
my brother is cracking me up
 
@littlepootis not all images work with dd
most ISO images don't
 
@ssube Debian has a bootloader, so it will.
 
@littlepootis too bad I can't access a usb big enough to put the new iso into my debian system and dd another usb into it
 
2:31 PM
@littlepootis not if the ISO is incompatible
 
@littlepootis a bootloader?
 
it's so weird
 
is anyone here an expert or knows a fair amount about hosting and scalability?
 
just VNC into his PC and make him a boot disk :)
 
2:31 PM
I literally just went through this two days ago setting up a kaspersky boot drive
 
cc @Loktar @Jhawins
 
@Raja nobody does and everyone does
 
@FlorianMargaine yeah?
 
@littlepootis "has a bootloader" is... pretty vague and unhelpful
 
I admit I'm unfamiliar with the ISO format and how bootloaders come in the picture
 
2:32 PM
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Q: Why dd is not a reliable command to write bootable .iso files to USB thumb drive?

SamikAs the answers here indicate Ubuntu .iso s are not expected to boot if copied with dd to a USB thumb drive. Now my question is why is so that some Linux distributions have the option to directly write their bootable .iso file to a thumb drive with dd but some (read Ubuntu) have not(for Ubuntu I t...

 
@ssube interesting.. so if I was to ask you a direct question related to hosting would you be able to answer?
 
@Raja There is only one way to find out.
 
CD/ISO and hard drives boot differently
 
but ask it to the room, please.
 
@ssube That's no longer true, though.
 
2:33 PM
@FlorianMargaine what's the SSD capacity on your chromebook? Mine is small, so I had to do stripped down versions of ubuntu to not bog down my system
 
@ssube I know.
 
@littlepootis It is, as of yesterday.
 
@SterlingArcher 32GB
which is why I have a debian with no X or w/e
 
Plenty of ISO images are not compatible with dd.
 
it's less than 1GB
 
2:33 PM
Hmm. Mines the same :/ maybe I'll try debian without x
 
@SterlingArcher Debian without X is a VPS, m8
 
@SterlingArcher it means only command line
 
omg I found the solution 0.o
I should stop messing with tech and go live in a jungle
 
I know
 
@ssube But ubuntu's, debian's, fedora's, cent os's, are..
 
2:34 PM
On linux I only need a command line
 
FreeBSD's aren't.
 
@SterlingArcher if you can spend $20 every 6 months, use ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml
 
I am a distrohopper.
 
@FlorianMargaine does that still have the chromeos UI?
 
Shit I developed SourceUndead 100% in command line
 
2:34 PM
@ssube nah, local > internet
 
1 core/2 gig VPS, dev env you can log into from anywhere
 
That's not bad at all
 
@Luggage yes, I just open a terminal in chromeos, run sudo enter-chroot and I'm in
 
@FlorianMargaine sure, but remote is nice when you move around a lot
 
@ssube when you move around a lot, you go through a lot of places without internet
 
2:35 PM
@FlorianMargaine then perfect. simple ui for a browser and a terminal
 
@SterlingArcher including ftp and all? 0.o
 
@Luggage yep
 
fuck X
 
2:35 PM
I can run emacs -nw in my terminal and I'm good
 
@towc no ftp -- ssh into my server via chromebook terminal and VIM to develop and git repo
 
@FlorianMargaine those are bad places, don't go there :D
@SterlingArcher atom + vim-mode
 
I knew you'd have to work emacs in there, somewhere.
 
beware, young distrohopper, of the dangers of non-free and untested software.
 
@towc have you previously had any luck booting from a USB device on the machine? some firmware programs require that you explicitly toggle some "USB-HDD" flag in the BIOS settings before it'll try to boot from a USB
 
2:36 PM
@FlorianMargaine you meant emacs <- eww?
 
@Luggage hey, I got all my lisp setup in this debian chroot :)
 
ohhh.. i need to try atom with vim-mode. I use atom the most, but spent time learing vim keys
 
@yosefrow and systemd
 
@towc the long option is emacs --no-window, if you prefer
 
systemd isnt dangerous, its just scary
 
2:36 PM
@ssube trying atom with vim-mode seems ot be the perfect thing to do instead of working. thatnks
 
@ssube I don't go there, I go through there
 
okay here we go: currently I host a couple of websites on a shared server at inmotionhosting one of my clients want to move to a dedicated environment due to wait time that we get on this server. I booted a lamp setup on digitalOcean and it was amazing. The website responded alot quicker. My problem is they currently host their cloud software on Azure and it seems to be relatively exensive to host a website on azure. What's the room's take on digital ocean, azure ect.. for price,speed,scalibity
 
@Luggage and terminal-plus if you want to have fun
 
I am already happy with my terminal, but maybe
 
@FilipDupanović oh yeah, the current debian was booted yesterday from a usb that now according to this debian has a wrong fs
 
2:37 PM
@ssube I tried that... it's super buggy...
switching from "full screen" terminal to non-fullscreen in multiple terminals is super buggy, it just doesn't work
 
@towc Wait, your machine previously ran Linux?
 
I can't type a letter in my keyboard.. :O
 
@littlepootis I've been using Ubuntu on it since October
but it came with windows
 
do people who sub-lease hosting mostly have good degrees in interenet security, networking, and Apache maintenance?
 
How did you get that usb booting?
 
2:38 PM
it also fails to start and throws an error if you need some input before bash is ready (e.g. ssh key password)
 
@littlepootis UNetBootin
 
Use that now, then.
 
but ran that program from that machine
 
It.. doesn't matter.
 
I tried using it a few times as well, but again, the booting ignores the usb
 
2:39 PM
@FlorianMargaine it's kinda buggy, yeah
 
rufus is still working its magic
 
@towc UEFI?
 
@Raja You're welcome
 
@Raja using a public cloud will always be expensive. What scale are you talking?
 
@littlepootis pretty sure
 
2:41 PM
@ssube enough to handle about 130 requests a second, or 4-10 million visitors a month
 
in avg GB of memory active
@Raja 130 requests per second in Ruby or Grails means 1TB of memory and $5m/month. 130 requests per second with Nginx means 256MB of memory and $3/month.
 
I choose nginx.
That's how that works, right?
 
sorry I forgot to add per client :p. @ssube so lets say 40req a second per client maybe active clients at one time being 100'000
 
...
 
@Raja there isn't a site in the world with that scale
not even google and FB run 100k actives
 
2:43 PM
I like the optimism, though. Think big.
 
@ssube maybe I don;t know how to explain myself :)
@ssube can you help me? Basically I want to make sure if they have 100'000 people a day on the website the website won;t blow up..
@ssube Im not sure how this translates to technical terms :p
 
it doesn't. That's too broad to even start addressing.
 
@towc what image were you using the last time, the install or live install image?
 
@Luggage I did, and I thought of steak and onion rings. I wasn't disappointed
 
you need to know what kind of traffic you can push from a single node and how the site scales
 
2:45 PM
@FilipDupanović there wasn't "Live" in the title so..
 
@Raja is this just a static "look at our company" site?
 
holy crap. a node??? can you send me a link or smtg to learn about all this before we continue this conversation lol
 
@Raja there isn't any documentation on this
you need to do some benchmarking and go from there
 
@luggage no it has wiki's,portal page for clients, payment processing, blog
around 250 pages in total I guess
 
what tech are you using?
 
2:47 PM
wordpress for the static pages (blogs),(newsroom),shopify for storefront and craft cms for portal
 
@FilipDupanović live
 
Nope. I'm out.
 
why would you use wordpress for static pages??????
why?????
 
@littlepootis maybe he means static as in there's no interactivity? as in no javascript, etc.
 
CMS are powerful
 
2:49 PM
> your jokes are like children with cancer; they never get old
@bitten oh
 
@KarelG Age of wonders is great!
 
@towc can you check the name of the ISO file? think there should be a suffix to describe the image kind
 
wordpress for marketing team to create pages as they need, the static home ect are all php, but any pages that marketing creates on the go daily is done through wordpress
 
@Trasiva LOL wtf
 
@Loktar Right? Did you read that article about the journalist that wanted to try and feel a little bit of what we do by eating 2 MRE meals a day for 21 days?
 
2:51 PM
hah no
that is a ton of calories
 
@Raja well, you should look into putting those on different boxes and balancing the whole thing.
But other than that, it's way too broad for us to help with.
 
rufus still didn't cut it @ssube
 
why is there no wheelchair ramp
?!
 
@Loktar He was bitching because it tasted bland and he felt bloated and tired.
 
2:52 PM
I have no idea what's going on anymore
 
@Raja for this kind of website, you usually estimate that you can handle ~1-5 reqs/sec/core
 
@towc your image is bad
or your BIOS is bad
or you're bad
there's really no way to tell
rufus supports both ISO and DD images, though, so it's probably #1-3
 
as for memory usage, you need to log it and look at your logs after a week
 
we'll have to fallback on tests designed to find witches.
 
@ssube possibly image, but not so sure.. cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/… (mate-desktop-environment+nonfree)
how do I check if my BIOS is bad instead?
 
2:53 PM
@towc have you verified the image by checksum
 
@ssube @florianmargaine thanks, sorry for being vague still getting a hang of things and learning. I appreciate your patient
 
no..
 
@Raja for memory usage, there's really no way to guess that. I've seen it go from 10MB/req to 100MB/req
 
@FlorianMargaine those are both sad, sad numbers
 
@ssube 10MB/req for php apps is fairly good
 
2:56 PM
our stuff, which is horribly unoptimized, is still 2-5MB/req
 
@towc ಠ_ಠ
 
and most of that is Scala throwing away memory like a redneck throwing away empty beers
 
yeah, but it's not share-nothing php stuff
 
@littlepootis never gave me any issues
doing it now ofc
 
and your main process still takes 2GB to keep the thing going
 
user1596138
2:57 PM
Don't work on cars with your expensive phones :(
 
that's because of the 1500 database connections :D
we absolutely have to have 1500 database connections (30-50 of which are active) because of reasons
 
comparing like that isn't really fair
 
user1596138
I warrantied my LG V10 3 months ago... This bill they added $600 to my bill and charged me for it because they said there was a solvent of some kind in the charging port at some point lol
 
memcached has too much latency
 
user1596138
An I'm like yeah it probably got brake cleaner in it 50 times lol..
 
2:58 PM
yeah but your 2-5MB doesn't include the memory held by the main process, in which there's none of that in php
 
one of our devs actually said that, as a defense for writing his own in-memory cache
 
best md5checksum program for windoze?
 
@FlorianMargaine oh, I was splitting up the total memory by req/sec
@towc don't use md5
 
so what do I use?
 
the SHA hashes
 
2:59 PM
@ssube how does that work? :D
 
@FlorianMargaine none of it works
 
ok, best way to check SHA hashes on windows?
 
our services are the worst
 
@towc mingw64 or cygwin
where is your Git bash?
 

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