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3:00 PM
@Neil "patterns" is a general name for "things people do often and are considered good practice and elegant solutions to a specific class of problems"
 
@jAndy there is that amazon button
 
@rlemon It has a few
 
@jAndy It's not new
 
ehhhhrr? :P
 
PayPal is essentially a single button application
 
3:00 PM
Oh no wait, that's a switch
 
@BenFortune a couple*
 
You just add this one button on your website and people can pay you in one click*
 
two buttons. not much better.
I already have a phone :D
 
I don't know what Facebook has other than the Like button.
 
like it is neat and all, just not for me
 
3:01 PM
@MadaraUchiha factory and observer patterns don't fit that definition according to you?
 
@AwalGarg Oh it has a range of emojis* now
 
It's great for the size, and the fact it runs Android
 
@jAndy it's a physical button that you get that instantly orders you a pre-determined item from amazon
 
@Neil These make sense in an OO environment
 
the idea being you get it for like laundry detergent and when you are low just hit the button
silly if you ask me
 
3:01 PM
sneaky
 
Not so much in an environment where you have no classes
 
@rlemon It's all marketing :p
Didn't they release that on April Fools?
 
@MadaraUchiha factories make sense most everywhere
 
@ssube Not factories in the original sense
 
3:02 PM
observers are giving way to reactive patterns, though
 
@MadaraUchiha I am missing the point
 
not in the original sense, no. Most of the patterns, as the GoF described them, are dead and gone.
 
Of an object, with complex state, that controls the creation of another object
 
@Neil .
 
but the big ones have been replaced with an equivalent that better matches how languages work now
 
3:03 PM
that you can inject into other places to avoid the use of new
In JS, you just write a function that returns an object literal
 
you could argue that factories are the basis of map
 
@ssube does age bother you in a relationship?
 
Call that a "factory" if you want, but it's not the classic Factory Pattern as described in many books.
 
@SterlingArcher If there's grass on the field, play ball.
 
@Neil Let's say it like this: If you've been doing something since before you knew it had a name, it's a pattern.
 
3:04 PM
Jesus
 
started at "gimme more JS resources", now we at "Factory Pattern sucks". nice
 
@jAndy ..
 
I meant older, Ben LOL OMG
 
@AwalGarg Never said it sucks.
 
@SterlingArcher depends? My loose rules are same decade.
 
3:04 PM
@MadaraUchiha still missing the point
 
a factory is only a factory if it's self-determined, independent, own scope + functionality
 
@MadaraUchiha trying and failing at a tongue in cheek
 
@MadaraUchiha for sure. We need a modern design patterns book.
 
I am not looking for a definition
 
I was born in 91, same decade doesn't really work for me lol
 
3:05 PM
@Neil ...
 
@Neil "pattern" is something that repeats. Often.
 
@SterlingArcher sure it does.
 
Something that you do often in your apps, and other people do often in theirs
So often, they were given names
 
@SterlingArcher same decade age-wise. 20s.
 
VDP: Variable Declaration Pattern
 
3:05 PM
> I am not looking for a definition
 
It's easier saying "I'm having a factory here" than "This is an object that accepts parameters and has a method that returns new instances of another object based on its internal state"
 
Tbh I'd go 30-35
 
you're about my age and I'm pretty ok with everything from 21 to like 27 or 28
occasionally pushing it a few years up or down
 
I like 'em menopausal
 
When you spend more time trying to abstract your problems than actually solving it..
 
3:06 PM
that sounds gay
 
the game is gay
 
El Juego!
 
@MadaraUchiha they're rough building blocks to give you an idea of where to start
then you adjust them for the language and circumstances
I'd argue there are still a few overarching categories, though
 
This coffee is disgusting
@ton.yeung around there yeah
 
DI/Factories are one pile, Observers/Observable/Reactive/Promises are another, etc
 
3:09 PM
If the cyclomatic complexity of your code increases by 3 units or more after applying a design pattern, that is Bad™ Pattern.
 
@AwalGarg Singleton is love. Singleton is life.
 
the really hard part nowadays is to use all the tools well. Picking the ones you really need and squeeze the shit out of them.
 
@AwalGarg I bet you still measure progress in LoC.
 
@jAndy There are very few libraries out there I'm comfortable using everywhere
 
@SterlingArcher why are you asking? Planning on going big cat hunting?
 
3:10 PM
Most of which I've read the source code to
 
@ssube way ahead of you there bossman
 
@MadaraUchiha not talking about libs, more about patterns and tools, like promises, observables, factories, mix-ins, modules, pub-subs, classes, and so on
 
I pulled the trigger, just waiting to see if I missed xD
 
@SterlingArcher did you... get somebody pregnant?
@jAndy modules and classes aren't really design patterns
they fall more on the language/runtime/implement-feature side IMO
 
@ssube that's why I also included the tools option
 
3:12 PM
@ssube not since college man
I regret not calling her
She's like... the love of my life dude
ugh
 
I feel like I've unexpectedly opened a can of worms and I'm worried about why the can contained worms in the first place.
 
I have worms
interpret that as you will
 
deworm your cans, Nick
 
you're starting Harry and Loyd's business
 
It's a long story man.. lol She was like my best friend in college. We met in Software Engineering I (intro) and I ended up tutoring her, and we went drinking and shit, but she always had a boyfriend. So eventually we didn't talk much because I was getting friendzoned
 
3:14 PM
You are me
don't be me
 
So then she broke up with her bf (who I'm pretty sure was gay the entire time), we hooked up, and then I didn't call her
 
@jAndy Yeah, I get it.
 
I wanted her to call me.. then she got a new bf, had a kid, and now has a new man too
 
3:15 PM
We don't talk much anymore
 
It happened more than once that I was already using a pattern without knowing it was a pattern and that it had a name.
 
@SterlingArcher no shit
 
She's the one my brother is convinced that the kid is mine
 
@AwalGarg I liked getify
 
yea lol.. that too
 
3:16 PM
@Luna you mean you tried the book and liked it or you liked that guy?
 
@SterlingArcher I have an ex where I think her kid is 50% chance mine, but I haven't spoken to her at all since we broke up, so it's whatever.
 
Fuck I have 30 minutes to get lunch or I wont be able to eat until 3pm
 
I am confused :/ I am still not sure if getify's real name is kyle or not. maybe I gave you wrong info :/
 
@ndugger ayeeeee lol
 
hahaha I meant the book :D was just lazy to write "You don't know JS"
 
3:17 PM
!!afk lunch
 
My dating life is super fucked up
 
ok cool
 
!!s/dat/gam/
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@ndugger ehhhh
 
Yeah, I suppose it could be worse...
 
3:19 PM
why is SHE not here
 
I'm just lonely and depressed and so I drink a lot and then complain about how lonely I am
 
@ndugger dude, one of my vive controllers is slightly messed up
I have REAL fucking problems bro
 
dude, that fucking sucks :(
 
lol yea
it still works though, just annoying
I'll RMA when I move
was j/j about the situation btw
 
at least your controllers came as a pair.
 
3:20 PM
hahaha, nice way to turn that around
 
I can make anything about me and how depressed I am.
 
Well most of us here love you
If that helps that random internet people like you idk :p
 
Nah, to be realistic, I'm making big changes with my life. I'm still just stuck up on that same girl that keeps pulling me in, pushing me away, pulling me in, pushing me away, etc... it fucks with me
 
at least you got fucked
 
@ndugger Kill the other guy
 
Or has she stopped going back to him?
 
@BenFortune no idea
 
@ndugger I suggest blackjack and hookers
 
@AwalGarg I pretty much know the first 5 books tho
 
see I said you might be underestimating yourself!
 
3:23 PM
first 4*. 5th and 6th cover so much
 
5th is about async stuff I think. It credits a regular in this room too.
 
I should read the fifth and sixth some day
 
@BenFortune rofl
 
@AwalGarg I understand almost all of the codes I'm reading & I understand how I was doing some stuff wrong and how bloated some of my codes were which is something I hate. now I have so many code pieces I have to rewrite... nice resource (:
 
3:30 PM
apparently petka didn't consider kyle worthy of help :P
 
now that I'm cutting back on alcohol for health reasons, I need another substance to abuse to mask my depression.
 
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@ndugger Snort salt
 
Great idea
 
@ndugger cocaine!
 
3:32 PM
freebase broccoli
 
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Pestle and mortar first
 
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So it's as fine as powdered sugar
 
put the cocaine in the broccoli and grind it all up
 
Except I can't do salt; salt is bad for hunger. It can make you over eat if you eat too much salt
 
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Overeat after you snort the salt, it's cool.
 
3:33 PM
snort the burger
less calories
 
Overwatch's Mercy is basically Apocalypse's Angel
 
My nutrition app keeps track of my sodium intake. I'll probably end up going over my goal for today
 
user1596138
And your nutrition app finds out your sodium intake from...?
 
@littlepootis "Heros Never Die!" "It's High Noon....." i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif
 
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Lie to it
 
3:34 PM
@Josiah rectal probe
2
 
from the food that I put into it. It has a massive database that I pick from that has the sodium in the info.
 
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@ndugger Sounds like guesswork
 
Mostly, but it's better than not guessing at all
 
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Is it?
 
@ndugger ignore those until we get a tricorder
 
3:36 PM
@Josiah I guess so
 
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@FilipDupanović Exists.
 
really? I would appreciate a URL <3
 
@SterlingArcher that tarantula girl that I was talking about unmatched me. Probably because I took too long to reply? Weird.
 
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@FilipDupanović Well not for the average consumer yet
 
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3:37 PM
Oh wait that's not it
 
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There's one that scans food and tells you what's in it lol
 
NIR spectroscopy would be good enough if accurate enough and had a free and public database
there are like a dozen products that do it ranging in price and capabilities
 
@Josiah the one that uses spectral analysis?
 
user1596138
Yeah
 
we demoed some for work purposes
 
3:38 PM
@Josiah I saw that elsewhere, but kinda feels like a joke
 
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I mean it's not perfect but better than rough approximations
 
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tellspec is meh, SCiO or w/e is also meh
the good ones are quite expensive still.
 
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Yeah
 
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Still the technology exists
 
3:39 PM
@rlemon I believe equipment for chemical analysis is super crazy expensive
 
yup
 
@ndugger eh, I get unmatched all the time. I'm kinda shocked that I haven't found any gold diggers yet, but that's a good thing
 
lol. Dating apps just make me even more depressed these days
 
@FilipDupanović you don't need chemical analysis in the device. you just need to get an accturate spectrum of whatever you are looking at and reference a database
 
@rlemon but then you have to trust an external party on how they privately produce results
 
3:41 PM
so? we trust 3rd parties for most of our lives
 
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@FilipDupanović .....yeah
 
@ndugger removing human interaction isn't good for people? nowai
 
@rlemon I am just thinking about how there are many international trade agreements that protect researchers, developers and manufacturers of chemical substances, including bacteria, fungi, viruses
 
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How do you know thermometers are accurate lol. Just trusting those darn 3rd partys to know how to check a temp
 
@rlemon they do not allow you to perform analysis on their products, that's one thing
 
3:42 PM
@ssube I lost the ability to human. I don't know how to meet people.
 
A thermometer is accurate as long as you don't have a second one.
 
@FilipDupanović assuming their results use a proprietary method
 
nothing is being developed. you put an open database where people can put and verify results and let everyone reference that
problem solved.
 
@ndugger l2people fool
it's entirely a learned skill
 
:(
 
3:43 PM
it's not personality like boring people claim
 
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@FilipDupanović You may analyze whatever you feel like to form a reference database....
 
@FilipDupanović you are referencing a single company. that doesn't negate the technology nor does it make that companies strategy wrong
 
I need like a 10 step program to learn how to be human
 
@rlemon I don't think you would be allowed to list proprietary substances
 
step 1. Stop being a bitch.
...
step 10. Human.
 
3:44 PM
@ndugger nah, that's step 6 or 7, at least
 
@ndugger open a portal before step 2
 
WHAT'S STEP 1????
 
@FilipDupanović you don't have to list substances to tell me how much salt is in this chicken wing sauce. also the research can and will be done by anyone once the technology is cheap enough.
but like how it kinda works today, they are still under law not to redistribute someone elses ip
 
Step 1: find somebody who can learn you some things
Step 2: start going to stuff occasionally
Step 3: find stuff you enjoy without being an ass
Step 4: start meeting people while doing stuff you enjoy
it goes like that, mostly
 
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Today I got the last negative thing removed from my credit lol
 
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3:45 PM
I'm a real person!
 
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</random>
 
but where do I find someone to learn me?
 
once you're enjoying yourself, talking to people gets easier, then you start getting numbers and hanging out with folks, then you stop being a bitch, then you human
 
first you'll need to find something you wanna learn
 
Meeting people is hard
 
3:46 PM
@ndugger I do not know. I randomly met a friend of a friend who learned me not to be a bitch.
That's how I cured my sadness from hiding without friends.
 
Sounds like black magic to me
 
nah, it works well, you just need somebody who will push you outside of your comfort zone
 
Is "to learn someone" valid English?
 
eventually you learn how to do it yourself
 
@copy no
 
3:47 PM
@copy it is not
 
Good
 
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@ndugger move to Omaha, I will learn you some friendship
 
step 0 seems obvious: learn how to human from coders, they're the most qualified guys for that...
 
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And then we'll both go home and chat on here about how empty things are lmao
 
3:47 PM
Fuck that, move to Minnesota; land of the things
 
@DenysSéguret do not do that
 
@DenysSéguret I didn't even think about that... I need more help that I previously though...
 
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@ndugger lol land of the things
 
We have a lot of breweries
which is neat
 
@rlemon there's also the issue that, historically, manufacturers added substitutes that produced false results; I know, at least, that they added some cheap synthetic polymers that were flagged as proteins and this was widespread; I'm not into the hardware for spectral analysis, I'm not sure how good these consumer ones can be
 
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3:48 PM
We do too actually. Plenty of hipster crap here lol
 
over 110 breweries here
suck it, denver... We're coming for you
 
@ndugger As an old unconcerned guy, I thought dating was easy now with all those apps and sites. So I was wrong ?
 
@DenysSéguret if anything, they make it harder.
 
@DenysSéguret The apps make it worse. I fucking hate it
 
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@FilipDupanović You actually have a good point lol they will start duping the scanners
 
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3:49 PM
> This dog turd has 40g of protein and is 0% dog shit
 
If you just want to hook up with somebody, the apps make it easy (but so do house parties...)
If you actually want friends, you can't do that via apps
 
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@ssube Wrong.
 
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I met my best friend on a "dating" app lol
 
@Josiah your truck?
2
 
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She's awesome
 
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3:50 PM
No Natashia
 
Ooooh
 
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@ssube At least I love something.
 
I think REI does events and outings... maybe I should start there, with something that I love
 
@ndugger srsly tho, if you're doing something you enjoy, people will be more likely to talk to you. You'll seem more inviting and they'll want to be part of the positive experience. If you're doing something you hate or putting out a bad mood, then nobody will want to talk to you.
 
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@ndugger There's like 30 here.. I don't go to any of them except one that has amazing burgers
 
3:54 PM
My roommate cannot talk to people for shit, but when he's spinning poi and enjoying himself, they come talk to him.
 
user1596138
@ndugger buy a motorcycle. Ride it. Eventually you will run into some sexy chick and the rest is history
 
@Josiah and that's where HIV comes from
 
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@ssube lmfao omfg suspicions confirmed
 
Fuck, I do want a motorcycle...
 
Go to a JavaScript meetup
 
3:54 PM
everybody wants a motorcycle
 
@ssube the difference being that I can afford one
 
@Josiah suspicion of what?
 
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You are a new age hippy!
 
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It's not an insult
 
that's the goal, yeah
I have a way better time when I'm doing dumb hippie stuff instead of being angry about things
everything seems better, man
 
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3:56 PM
I'm not sure being angry about things is the only other option lol
 
it is
being bitter about everything is the default for adults
 
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Well ok, continue being hippy then.
 
that bad mood leads to not having friends
 
@Josiah me too, I think there are several tools at your disposal
 
that's why old people are sad and alone
you have to find ways to enjoy yourself and then use those to make friends
 
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3:57 PM
And the only way is hippy things
 
nah, that's just the way that works for me
 
@ndugger are you not happy?
 
@ndugger can use any thing he enjoys doing to get there
 
I haven't been happy in a long time, no
 
there is a long study on happiness ted.com/talks/…
 
3:59 PM
@FilipDupanović lol
 
user1596138
lol I'm not happy either.. I get more enjoyment out of being alone tho, so the correlation with sadness and not having friends doesn't really sit right with me. If I was big on friends I wouldn't have moved ;)
 
Uh oh, ted
 
TED talks: let's listen to a bunch of rich white people with no qualifications tell you how to ...
 
it's nothing remarkable, don't expect your mind to be blown
 
you may as well watch Vice for your news
 
3:59 PM
@ssube well I think the people behind this particular study are qualified
 

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