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10:00 PM
yeah... :\
 
@Mosho what's wrong with closure or a tuple?
 
I would potentially do {promise, value}
 
where is the object coming from?
 
but it's all over the codez
the function creates it
 
[await promise, value]
 
10:01 PM
I wouldn't do that
named > unnamed imo
 
would it make sense to put the promise on the object?
 
no
 
rather than the other way around
 
@Mosho it's tuple enough either way
 
it's too general for that
 
10:01 PM
this sounds like an X/Y problem
 
not really
 
@Loktar Where's your shipping at? Mine hasn't even got tracking yet :(
 
it's a state that is updated by a payload
 
then add the object to a weakmap, keyed by the promise
 
the promises resolve when the state is updated which is always async
but sometimes I want to use the payload
like testing
 
10:02 PM
probs return an object-tuple, then
 
but these things are all over the place
 
user379888
Hi. I am a programmer with 2 years of industry experience and an Undergrad in CS. I want to transform myself into a great froend end develoeper. Could someone give me tips?
 
what do you mean by front end dev? i.e. do you want to be hired or freelance or what?
what's your goal exactly?
 
user379888
Here is what I want my resume took like in a year:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FXTd7KNZ5ApAZeNr1c-nXYv919rN2cJ53_lEq8wvbrQ/edit
 
@Mosho sounds like you need a helper or a base class or something
 
user379888
10:05 PM
I want to work for great IT companies.
 
user379888
I saw hundreds of job posts of front end developer and compiled a list of things a front end developer should know.
 
Well you have industry experience, so what exactly is the question?
 
user379888
And I placed all of them on the test resume.
 
user379888
How do I learn all this stuff?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FXTd7KNZ5ApAZeNr1c-nXYv919rN2cJ53_lEq8wvbrQ/edit
 
user379888
Languages, Libraries and Frameworks: HTML5; XHTML; CSS3; Compass; JavaScript; jQuery; Angular, Angular2, React; Ember; Typescript; D3; SASS; LESS; Backbone; Bootstrap; Foundation; YUI; Prototype; Ajax; Handlebar; Materialize; ES6; Vue; POSTCSS; Chart; Knockout; ES2015; XML; RPC; Redis; Socket; PHP; C; C++; Node; Webpack; Babel; MySQL; Ext; MongoDB; Grunt; Gulp; Bower; Vanilla; Coffeescript; Require; Marionette; Greensock/GSAP; Elastic Search; Flux; Nuclear; Immutable; Handlebars, Polymer; Meteor; Phantom; JSTest Driver or Selenium; WordPress; Magento; AWS; Spark; Hadoop; Redux; Shopi
 
10:07 PM
You don't. It's futile. Don't learn everything.
 
@ssube there's a class
 
@FahadUddin you can't
start working on a small project that interests you and figure out what tech you should use along the way
 
Learn what you need to make the amazing things you want to do
 
what is a test resume?
 
user379888
@Mosho: Its a resume with skills I want to have.
 
10:08 PM
I think he just means template - not that he's actually applying anywhere with that to see if people would hire with it
 
user379888
Right now I just know html, css and WordPress.
 
interesting
that is way too many though
 
step one: learn javascript
 
and/or too general
 
user379888
@Julix: Thats the plan
 
10:08 PM
learning js is ez
 
user379888
But there are so many frameworks. I have learned two of them are must ones angular and react.
 
step two depends partially on where you want to take it
React or Angular - either is fine ---- Angular 2 is nice, and you'll learn typescript in the process, which is nice.
 
@FahadUddin in 10 or 15 years, you'll know all of those things. For now, just learn a couple.
 
@ssube this
 
user379888
So is that a life time goal I have on this resume?
 
10:10 PM
yeah, pretty much
 
@FahadUddin No, because technologies change so fast -- potentially some will become irrelevant by the time you get there - so don't follow some set in stone path, keep your eyes open
 
user379888
My goal is to be a great Full Stack Developer soon.
 
user379888
I want to start from front end and get a high paying front end job.
 
@FahadUddin Yeah, I'm doing the same right now. -- Idea is front end first, then pay off student loans, then go into full stack
 
@FahadUddin it will take 3 years, minimum
or, you could take an entry job and learn as you go
 
user379888
10:12 PM
@Julix: The good thing about being in Karachi, Pakistan is there are very less students loans.
 
fair enough :D
 
user379888
I had a $1200 loan after I completed my grad :p
 
the hard part is accepting that in 3 years time the entire ecosystem will have changed and you will need to learn the new versions of all the stuff on that cv v.v
 
Sofar I haven't had the patience for freecodecamp.com -- their things load too slowly for me, because they look all fancy
 
user379888
Something one of you might blow off in a week.
 
10:13 PM
but their program is free and goes up to full stack
 
user379888
Freecodecamp is there but I don't find it very useful.
 
user379888
I just want to do the projects from FCC.
 
user379888
I wrote a lot of times to Quincy asking for advice which he gladly gave.
 
@FahadUddin I think it's very useful towards the end, due to volunteering on good projects being an amazing opportunity for learning, but I also see how if your priority is money right away, that might not be good enough.
Federal Communications Commission?
 
user379888
@Julix: Money was my priority few years ago. Not anymore. FCC:FreeCodeCamp
 
user379888
10:15 PM
It takes $300 per month to live in Karachi
 
user379888
I was able to make more money and pay for my degree while in University
 
user379888
Though I did shitty content writing, html, css stuff.
 
user379888
Now I want to prioritize on learning.
 
oh, duh. :D -- yeah, so anyway, you seem to be on the right track. keep learning js, keep learning a couple frameworks (not randomly but needs based) -- whenever you have a new need to fill (like state management (flux) or model/views/controllers (angular) etc) go find out about that. Use something like stateofjs.com to keep track of what's currently got momentum
 
user379888
I work for a Canadian ecommerce company from Pakistan
 
10:16 PM
anyone here using font-awesome+yarn?
 
bloody yarn
one leftpad and i'm yarn
 
just looked it up, and it looks cool. dependency management?
 
it's basically an npm replacement from what i can tell
 
i'm running into a problem where i'm including font-awesome's sass, but the fonts path is set to "../fonts", and since I'm using yarn font-awesome lives in node_modules. the resultant css still references the node_modules path, but i don't want it to do, i want to still use a purely relative path
 
" replaces the existing workflow for the npm client or other package managers while remaining compatible with the npm registry. "
 
user379888
10:20 PM
@Julix: You seem to be pretty new to SO
 
@NathanJones why can't you use a relative path into the node_modules? -- or is it cause that folder wouldn't exist anymore with a live version? (i.e. shaking the tree or whatever it's called)
 
lol, shaking the tree
 
@FahadUddin I started with the idea of web dev at the very beginning of August this year. - been doing all I can since then to learn
 
I hope that's what it's called now
 
10:21 PM
@Julix right now I'm actually matching the node_modules path that the scss is expecting in my gulp task
 
user379888
Its been 6 years and 5 months I am on this site. I haven't been a able to become a programmer yet :'(
 
user379888
Thats a shame.
 
" Simply put, it’s a way to clean up your bundling process by excluding code you’re not using."
 
user379888
I ask questions and users tell me it doesn't relate with my SO points.
 
sounds like you need confidence
 
user379888
10:23 PM
SO has a culture of bashing people away from their site.
 
Write a joke site. Get a bunch of hits. Ride that high for a few months. Rinse, repeat.
 
you are probably smart enough to find the solutions to those questions rather than asking other people for them
 
user379888
I am thinking to start my own question and answer website beginnersoverflow
 
SO's core users tend to appreciate hard questions rather than simple ones that the asker could easily have solved themselves
 
user379888
where you could ask dumb questions.
 
10:24 PM
and get dumb answers?
 
That sounds terrible
 
@FahadUddin I've already got that covered in this room.
 
user379888
There are lots of dumb people, I would make more profit than SO
 
Would take quite a bit to outrank then
Would take quite a bit to outrank them
Ugh... Why mobile edit
 
user379888
I thought of asking for a fee per question.
 
10:25 PM
screw SO, I'm gonna post all my coding questions on yahoo answers
 
Go ahead.
 
user379888
Or subscription based.
 
I post my coding questions in the youtube comments section
 
@FahadUddin it's called tutoring
 
user379888
@nderscore: I used to do that when I din't know of SO. Been 7 years.
 
10:25 PM
ooh, that's a good idea @david
 
Quora already beat you too the punch tbh
 
I get coding help from chatterbot
 
user379888
Quora hasn't been able to become anything. Its still finding meaning, when it does, it will also have to find a business model.
 
user379888
Reddit, Twitter have found some degree of profitability but Quora is behind.
 
user379888
And they are having trouble selling Twitter.
 
10:28 PM
I don't know why but I feel like this idea will eventually turn into the technical equivalent of a 35 year old hip hop artist standing on a corner trying to sell his platform for dummies.
@FahadUddin This is an elaborate meme right?
 
after you're done with the 'next stackoverflow', make sure to build the next google so you can rank well 😛
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user379888
@lix: Don't know what that means.
 
Oh lord he's serious
 
user379888
@rlemon: haha.
 
has anyone here run a kickstarter?
 
user379888
10:29 PM
Me
 
user379888
Failed miserably
 
me
 
user379888
Got $1
 
My mum donated £10 of my £1000 goal, I failed.
 
@FahadUddin your resume lists PHP in the Web Application Developer section -- doesn't that mean you're a programmer?
 
10:30 PM
@lix it's part of the meme
 
i don't think that CV is real
 
my cv lists me as a keyboard tickler
 
user379888
I used to make things with PHP but the market is looking for people expert on Laravel
 
user379888
@david: Thats the resume I want to have. To learn items in a year.
 
So what you're saying is you're not hirable as a programmer?
 
10:31 PM
also, PHP isn't a real language
 
i want to be hireable as a memelord
that's the resume i want to have
 
user379888
I want to get hired at Google, Facebook.
 
as a memelord?
could work
 
hahahaahaha -- would be awesome if it did work
 
as a customer.
 
10:32 PM
I've heard they have some places left, as either memelords or customers
 
user379888
Ok guys I have no idea what you guys are saying.
 
@towc A language originally named Personal Home Page, not a real language? It just screams neckbeard.
 
oh wow, I never even wondered where'd PHP come from
as in, the name
 
user379888
PHP is the first backend programming language.
 
it was just PHP
 
10:33 PM
Personal HomePage [tools]
 
the evil thing
 
what does it stand for now? php hypertext preprocessor or something?
 
user379888
It stands for Hypertext Preprocessor but its name is PHP
 
Yeah, even the people who made it couldn't come up with a good name after so they just bolted some meme's onto the end.
 
the thing that screams "left" when all you want to know is how bright is the sun
 
user379888
10:34 PM
75% of the web was built on PHP a few years ago. I dont have the new stats.
 
php hypermeme prememer
 
@KendallFrey In my house
 
Isn't "programmer" similar to "artist" in that it's partially based on skill and partially an identity -- and obviously a continuum (i.e. never said I was a good programmer :D )
 
top kek much lel.
 
10:34 PM
got mine like an hour ago
 
> Originally used for tracking visits to his online resume, he named the suite of scripts "Personal Home Page Tools," more frequently referenced as "PHP Tools."
 
@FahadUddin you know those stats mean nothing, right?
99% of the web is google/facebook/microsoft. They all use their own languages/frameworks
if it's "75% of the working domains" then maybe
 
tips Make America Great Again Hat ™
 
facebook uses a php fork or something?
 
hack or w/e it is
 
user379888
10:35 PM
@towc: 75% of the sites are built on PHP. 25% use WordPress.
 
@david .hack, which is now so very different from php
 
yep he's memein
 
@FahadUddin I can write a bot to generate 10,000 node sites
 
@FahadUddin wut wut wut
 
gotta be memein with that stat
 
10:36 PM
the metric means nothing. it's about popular sites and platforms that are hireable
 
unless he means 25% of those 75%
 
you're using very meaningless units for those statistics
 
user379888
@david: Thats what I meant.
 
50% or more of all websites import jQuery. does that make jQuery the gold standard?
 
user379888
I wanted to emphasize PHP contributes to 75% of the web.
 
10:37 PM
I mean technically html is the most hireable language going, almost everyone uses it for some reason.
 
I'm going to add 100000000 subdomains to towc.eu, make their back-end be brainfuck, and then possibly 90% of the web will be brainfuck
 
@lix not if I compile to html
 
isn't there a crawler that has a lot of this info
 
and that is the only requirement
 
according to those metrics
 
10:37 PM
@lix yeah, necessary but not sufficient
 
user379888
Thats exactly how people are creating JavaScript bubble. People add jQuery to their sites and they say the site used JavaScript
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I think i'd be a pretty useless webdev if i didn't know html
 
lol
 
user379888
every programmer uses some degree of javascript and in StackOverflow they list as the most used thing.
 
@FahadUddin you're not coming back alive from that one
 
user379888
10:38 PM
Thats what I came to understand.
 
what you talking about javascript 'bubble'
it's the future
 
@Julix Alright if you learn css as well your good to go for that 60k job in the Bahamas where one of the many benefits are half naked backrubs from Hawaiian models.
 
@david I'm sure they exist though... especially ones who's IDE knows html, but they don't really... :D -- though come to think of it, a lot of scripting affects the dom, so you'd still want to know html, even if you're a specialist of some kind
 
javascript is the most active language right now. it isn't the most used in totality
 
it's the most hipster language out there right now
 
10:39 PM
haskell is where the shit hits the pan
 
eh, i'll just sit back here with my cfml and get annoyed at variable scoping issues
 
@lix bahaha, reminds me of people that call html and css programming languages (rather than markup language)
 
markup *language*
 
@Julix You what mate HTML is REAL, I used it the other day on 4chan
 
and css is turing complete
 
user379888
10:40 PM
Yeah.
 
I just realized... haskell would do well (possibly) not only as a substitute for JS, but also for CSS
 
user1596138
I vote most misused
 
both are terrible. but both can be classified as languages
 
using patterns and guards
 
user379888
Never forget: JavaScript could be turned off on the browser too.
 
10:41 PM
@Julix don't you be degrading my California Style Sheets slap
 
California has no style
 
@lix When I first started my journey in August I went from Lynda's 19h "how to become a programmer" video series to codecademy zoomed through html css with little attention and did javascript -- and often came back to use their javascript typebox/console to test stuff, because I didn't know chrome came with a console I can just use anytime :D
 
user1596138
!!giphy california
 
user1596138
Wow... Such funny...
 
10:42 PM
Pahaha @Julix Brilliant
 
user379888
Could some company be looking for a remote front end developer in Pakistan whom they could pay like $3000 USD/month?
 
Since then I've taken an intro to web dev class and since then I look at HTML and CSS entirely differently. Also the JS class where I'm manipulating the DOM tons made me understand how important the basic stuff is
 
@FilipDupanović Mate the Submarine Communications Support System is way better than that.
 
Hey Tee Marksmith Longboats
 
@Julix css and html are basic at face value, but understanding them more in depth (css more than html) is beneficial.
 
10:43 PM
I spent 40k and My opnion's of markeup langauges have changed to " My 7 year old cousin could so this."
 
there are all sorts of css hacks you can do for conditional logic.
 
@rlemon Oh yeah, I've seen some mindblowing codepens... like 3d looking animations done entirely with css... mind blown
 
@lix impossible! unless your cousin can calculate 62.5% of 16
 
@Julix teeeheee
 
people do full interactive emails, with shopping carts with nothing more than html and css
 
10:45 PM
@rlemon but why would you?
 
@FilipDupanović She fell down a single step once, I think she's got this.
 
because you can't put js in emails
and if you make a client click a link, you might lose a client
 
@rlemon oh, now I got it. sorry misunderstood
 
user379888
@Julix: Because images take time to load.
 
didn't read that right -- that's actually a really cool idea
 
10:45 PM
no it isn't
email is a messaging system
 
yeah, well there's always going to be people upset by things changing... :D -- I say push on, innovators. I love it. -- Some day I'll watch youtube videos directly in my email... -- that actually shouldn't be so hard, right?
 
@lix shit, then we're all in trouble! how am I supposed to compete on the job market with someone who is not in debt and all they desire is another My Little Pony article?
 
is anything like this possible in TS: type T = [T1, T2];
 
oh it seems to be possible just like that
 
10:47 PM
@FilipDupanović I mean then there's the whole of india on freelancer.co.uk willing to make facebook for only $100
 
that's an example of interaction with css and html only
 
user379888
StackOverflow for dummies will be a cool idea.
 
@Mosho maybe there's such a thing as a tuple in TS? (T1, T2)?
 
StackOverflowOverflow
 
10:48 PM
StackUnderflow
 
@towc nah
 
@rlemon BAHAHAHAA
 
I want to set a type for a functions arguments
 
user379888
Another idea I had was a place where wordpress newbies could get programming help (paid)
 
generic type
like variadic types
 
user379888
10:48 PM
Just WordPress!
 
maybe it has that
 
@FahadUddin freelancer.com
you're way behind. And if you really have a good idea, saying it to everyone won't help ya ;)
if it actually is a good idea, implement it, hire a team
 
envato market has a bidding type board for wordpress
 
user379888
@towc: It does help when someone says I am gonna do that. Because thats the thing that would excite me
 
pretty cheap bids as well
 
10:50 PM
@FahadUddin You have to think more niche, like a stackoverflow for lowlife degenerate pot dealers who lost there business due to legalization.
 
user379888
WP is cheap
 
I'm hireable for 50% of the shares of the company and £100K/year
 
@rlemon a nested menu. pretty. but it's not exactly a shopping cart... - that blows my mind, how is it supposed to work? no cookies to remember if you abort the session. no client side validation... -- I'm guessing for the last steps it would take you to a website, maybe with a custom link based on what you clicked on before, but how would html know to do that? hmpf
 
user379888
@towc: Haha
 
@Julix <submit> would take you to a website, you can post to a new page
everything else is just css + form hacks
and a very careful understanding of how html and css interact
there are good youtube videos on the subject
 
10:51 PM
Oh forms! of course. lol -- I do have an okay understanding of forms, I just never thought to send one in an email -- but yeah, that definitely answers it for me (i.e. using value value to store / transmit the choices)
 
Cars > Lemons > Anything made by Ford
 
user379888
I have another idea. A SMS based news system for my country. I give free sms based news to people and also send a few ads per day using SMS.
 
you're thinking in the 90's
 
some countries are that far behind
 
@FahadUddin if you can make a profitable business out of it, go ahead, but you really can't
like the USA
 
10:53 PM
if you want success, make a product. give it away for free. get lots of users. get dedicated and passionate users. then slowly add an ad model or other forms of revenue
 
(is trump still on topic?)
 
user379888
In Pakistan 18% people have access to the internet.
 
Sadly he'll sorta be for 4 years
 
@rlemon you know because you had success
 
user379888
But most have access to a mobile phone.
 
user379888
10:54 PM
Sadly 60% live below $2 per day.
 
@towc I don't need success to view others models.
but ftr, I consider myself quite successful
 
@FahadUddin just watched a facebook hackathon's results and one project was to allow for phone to phone messaging using local wifi
 
@rlemon The good old freemium model :D
 
@FahadUddin romanians have built (and are perfectioning) soundwave-based internet that only requires you to have a calling connection. That will put you out of business as soon as theirs start running
 
@FahadUddin what's up with the literacy in some parts, I'm really curious?
 
10:55 PM
@lix if your product is good, it works.
 
i.e. not the internet kind, but just a network between your phone and others. the goal is in the future to be able to have messages travel to other people's phones from there. so not even network necessary, just wifi. that's pretty damn cool
 
user379888
@FilipDupanović: Government says its 60% but thats not true.
 
@towc wow, that's neat!
@FahadUddin higher or lower?
 
user379888
They are claiming a high number.
 
user379888
Last time we had a census in 1998. So we have data from that time.
 
user379888
10:57 PM
Haven't had a census since then.
 
so 60% of people in 1998 had internet?
 
user379888
Know census for population etc
 
user379888
these are all numbers that they have speculated of external data has given results.
 
user379888
I wanted to start an online tutor finding website in Pakistan but there is no PayPal here.
 
user379888
Though there is Uber here now
 
10:59 PM
btw, open question: I need a film that kind of leaves you with happy thoughts and is relaxing
cambridge traumatized me
 

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