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3:00 PM
@rlemon or you can just have cap share chat's socket...
 
she adds a lot of people because of her job lol
so I wouldn't be surprised
 
Not much I could do if that was true tho
 
@AwalGarg or I can make use of a bot I have so it doesn't just collect dust
 
I was going to reply that I have your mom on my face
but I didn't know if you were joking
 
3:00 PM
so it would be awkward.
 
@rlemon think about the long run good idea
 
in C#, 4 mins ago, by Charlie Brown
I predict that "Destructuring" in ECMAScript 6 will be listed as "Dont use" in best practice guidelines a year from now.
 
Well, technically, my mom is on facebook
 
@CharlieBrown de-structuring is the shit.
 
@CharlieBrown wrong
 
3:01 PM
@CharlieBrown I predict that you're wrong
 
I could see that being said about the spread operator maybe
 
@CharlieBrown object destructuring: maybe. array destructuring, hell no
 
my mom joined facebook. within 6 months my brother and I deleted our accounts
 
I predict that you don't know how to destructure :p
 
I also predict that you'll buy me a two-week trip to Italy
 
3:02 PM
Any recommendations for an SSD brand?
 
Crucial
 
I'm not seeing a great use case other than confusion and slightly less typing
 
@Cereal don't buy any that @rlemon says
 
:(
 
@CharlieBrown You talk like Douglas Crockford, btw
 
3:02 PM
@rlemon LOL beat me to it
 
I was just looking at crucial
 
@Zirak done. You already live in Italy, don't you? So it's free.
 
I usually buy Kingston, but one just died so I'm wary
 
@Cereal downloadanssd.com
 
I have an intel so far its been great
 
3:02 PM
@AwalGarg We have the same accent?
 
@Loktar realistically, I own 7 SSD's and only one has ever failed.
and it was ADATA
I wouldn't recommend ADATA
 
Ada is good :(
 
ADATA lost forever
just one though
 
I hope
 
I once lost 2 datas on SSD
 
3:03 PM
still haven't bothered trying to recover that drive
don't wanna ruin my weekend
 
yeah that sucks man :/
 
.... 2 datas?
 
@FlorianMargaine lol just making a dumb joke
 
@FlorianMargaine bursts into tears
 
Almost as bad as 3 jqueries you paid for it
 
3:04 PM
so many ssd articles about failures
 
@Zirak $180 to fly into Rome.
I expected it to be more expensive.
 
@rlemon well, he lives ~500km away from Rome, so not surprising
 
wish they could combine the storage of an HDD with the reliance of RAM
 
Test 1 failed: expected it to be more expensive
 
@Loktar are you joking again?
 
3:06 PM
@FlorianMargaine no
 
@Loktar Re-read that sentence
 
OCZ - cheap, so far reliable for me, not the speeds advertised
Crucial - rock solid, good speed
Intel - see ^
ADATA - fuck that shit
Samsung - Best
@Cereal ^
 
@Zirak I mean using DDR5 or something similiar
I've never had a stick of ram die in my life, and they have constant writes/reads, ect.
 
I think he means speed not reliance :/
 
3:07 PM
I think he means reliance
 
@AwalGarg nah, ssd's are fast enough for now
 
RAM doesn't often die
SSD's do
 
I mean reliance
and by storage of an HDD, I mean persistance I suppose :p
I use a ram drive all the time, never have had an issue
but it has to load everything onto it when I boot the machine from my hdd
 
@Loktar well there is going to be the 16tb ssd soon
 
okay, that makes more sense...the persistence part is one of the main issues with RAM. In essence, you want fast reads/writes coupled with a long life and no downsides. That makes sense.
 
3:09 PM
@Zirak yeah you worded it perfectly
 
oh great, I get to follow Shai Reznik
 
Around in the woods and stuff?
 
at Angular Remote Conf
I thought you had the woods covered
 
weird seeing Jafar Husain speak at an Angular conf
since he is all about React. Looks like he is trying to infiltrate with Falcor
 
AHA! The vendor who made this library decided to replace console.log with their own shitty thing that doesn't work. That explains why my attempts at injecting diagnostic output wasn't yielding anything.
 
3:21 PM
@MikeAsdf That's horrifying
 
I'd gladly follow him if he brought the hookah with him
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum happen to know if TC has any plans with the # symbol? I don't see where it is used presently, and it is not allowed in identifiers :( I would like to use it for some custom transpilation stuff which needs to be future friendly.
 
@SomeKittens actually hirez.io sounds like it would really help me learn some shit about structures
 
@MikeAsdf What could they be using?
 
@Zirak alerts, what else?
 
3:27 PM
@rlemon their logos indicate they are stuck in 2013
bower.. grunt.. yoeman.. angular.
 
he's an Angular expert
but my issue is more about how to properly structure an app and build tools so I'm not chasing my tail 4 months into development
 
well don't start with those
use npm/gulp
bower is fucking gross
 
WAT?>
> Too many subscribe attempts for this email address. Please try again in about 5 minutes. (#8529)
 
@Zirak their own messaging protocol it looks like. I guess they wanted to see the logs on the other end of the websocket
 
I have never attempted to sign up for his site
 
3:30 PM
@MikeAsdf That sort of makes sense, ish
 
@MikeAsdf why override the console object?
 
a good start.
well besides coffee script bleh
 
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT JAVASCRIPT TOOLING
 
@SomeKittens I definitely do because I've been using them professionally for a few years now :p
@ssube does as well
 
@Loktar Most of us have
 
3:32 PM
I doubt it.
many have, I wouldnt say most
 
'us' -> JS room regulars
 
its still one of the major points of experience every candidate seems to lack
 
seriously tho
 
ah well room regulars I can't speak for, but you're right in that respect I imagine (or hope at least!)
 
3:33 PM
why is it saying I have already registered on his site
 
bower has been on the way out for a long time now, and grunt is proven to be slower by a significant amount due to the intermediate file sytem writes
npm is much easier to manage deps with than bower (even though NPM is meh)
 
I hate it when you get race conditions with gulp though
There's no good way to say "Task A depends on tasks B and C, but run B first"
 
@SomeKittens make dependent tasks.
sure there is :p
 
@SomeKittens "task a depends on task b which depends on task c"
 
note "good way"
task b doesn't actually depend on task c
 
3:36 PM
@SomeKittens omg
 
gulp.task('task1', function(){
    console.log('task 1');
});

gulp.task('task2', ['task1'], function(){
    console.log('task 2');
});

gulp.task('default', ['task1', 'task2'], function(){
    console.log('task 3');
});
 
I just want it to run first when executing task a
 
how isn't that good?
 
my sides
 
@rlemon Yes. That's the guy who's speaking before me at Remote Conf
 
3:37 PM
@SomeKittens oh, but not when running task e which depends on b and c?
 
I'm so sorry
you better bring your a game
he's good
 
regardless I haven't run into many conditions where taskA needs to be done before b
 
@FlorianMargaine yeah
 
@SomeKittens task2 will need to wait for 1 however.
 
@Loktar Yeah, just reread that
 
3:38 PM
notice the dependency on 2.
I prefer it over grunt as well since I can write actual code rather than config files idk
that aspect comes down to preference though
its one thing I dislike about webpack.. but I use webpack primarily now
 
I've yet to hit the need for any task runner on my personal projects
(beyond npm run)
 
I use js modules/babel for all the things, and generally now just throw it all through webpack
but for legacy apps where I work where we need minification, postcss, ect. I use gulp
 
webpack is amazing
everyone should ditch gulp and use webpack for everything
 
  "scripts": {
    "dev-server": "webpack-dev-server --content-base app/ --hot",
    "dev": "webpack --colors --progress --display-error-details --watch",
    "build": "webpack --config webpack.release.js --progress --display-error-details"
  },
what I have in most of my projects now
@Nick for legacy stuff I still like gulp, but overall I agree with you
 
I just became a webpack convert; It removes some of the extra steps I would have to take with gulp+browserify
 
3:42 PM
yea it removes the need for gulp altogether.
I kind of cringe when I see people use gulp-webpack
 
lol
 
in bash, C-xC-e -> #!/usr/bin/iojs [\n] <code here> doesn't seem to work. Any ideas what the reason could be? (It just redirects the code to stdin)
 
@Loktar you don't need to list task1 and task2 as dependencies of default. task2 as a dep of default will recursively call task1 if task2 depends on task1.
 
@SomeKittens I don't use Angular, but that talk he links from ng-conf was really well done
 
@rlemon INORITE
 
3:43 PM
@NathanJones yeah good point
 
I know that with gulp, I would have to do: ES6 -> temp folder for ES5, then ES5 endpoint pumped into browserify. I then had an extra "temp" folder as a midway point between transpilation and packing up the modules
 
I use make
 
my only hope is he has a cold day-of
 
@SomeKittens like, how to give a talk and make it entertaining 101 kinda shit
@SomeKittens steal a bunch of his tshirts and add masking tape with "someKittens" then have your own "tshirt time!"
everyone will laugh
it will be great times
 
@Nick you should be able to stream all that with gulp and not have temp folders
thats one of the benefits of gulp
 
3:45 PM
I've never got it to work that way
 
That's because you suck
 
because all of the files need to be transpiled, but gulp-browserify should only get the ES5 endpoint
but also because I suck
 
@rlemon (it's a remote conf)
wait, I could do a schtick where I try to throw it through the screen
/me needs to make his own TShirts
 
make a joke about how you're home alone
 
@SomeKittens make t-shirts with blackjack and hookers
 
3:47 PM
KEVIN!
 
I'm horny
 
... Are you OK @Loktar?
 
Hahaha
 
@FlorianMargaine Kevin is the main character from Home Alone
 
Oh, "home alone" is a thing
 
3:48 PM
his mom screams it in every?(most) movies
 
@AwalGarg Did you want to do the Shadow DOM stuff yourself at the end?
 
@FlorianMargaine yeah and @SomeKittens has a stricking resemblance to the actor
 
And Skittles looks like him
 
@SomeKittens your eyes are black, like my soul
 
Oooh is that the movie with the boy in holidays and robbers coming?
 
3:48 PM
yeah
 
@rlemon Seriously though, my speaking style is much like his (manic, silly) so I'm a tad worried folks'll think I'm just copying him.
 
@FlorianMargaine ^
 
Ok, it's "maman j'ai loupé l'avion" in french...
 
dammit
 
 
3:49 PM
LOL did you make that @rlemon?
 
user image
6
 
he made the shoop
 
haha nice
 
Nick made that shop
woofmaker.com made the gif
 
> Happy Bacon Day!

Imgur is giving 5 Imgurians a year’s supply of bacon. Do you want to be one of them?
 
3:51 PM
@Callum I want imgur to give me my paid subscription back damnit!
but... bacon would suffice.
 
imgur had a paid subscription?
For what, pray tell?
 
you paid for Imgur?
 
@SomeKittens yeah it removed all ads
and it also added some other features
 
@Loktar Shame on you for supporting a service you like
 
How to enter for free bacon: imgur.com/gallery/SIxpN
 
3:52 PM
SHAME
 
Shun!
 
when they dropped the subs they gave everyone the features.. but forced the ads for everyone too :/
@Zirak yeah Im a sucker :(
 
wagner.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/hawktalk/files/2015/04/… (just wanted to sprinkle this here for no reason)
 
> The Pro tools themselves are a modest upgrade that Imgur was charging $23.95 per year for. You get unlimited account images (standard users have been restricted to 225) and image analytics which show you the top 100 sites referring to your image, with an accompanying breakdown. (One Pro feature—the threshold before images get compressed being raised to 10 MB from 5 MB—is being eliminated.)
thats what they used to give you, in addition to being ad free. Everyone has those features now though, but no option to remove ads (through them anyway ofc)
 
@Loktar right? so many people ignore the value of having a one-button build
 
3:54 PM
It's sad that we have a build. Why can't we have no builds.
Builds are horrible
 
would be nice if the browser did all the building lol
point the browser to my app.js/index.js, actually eff that, my index.html and it does everything on the fly.
 
and code writing
I just want to explain via headset how things work
let it do the rest
 
/me wonders how much rev imgur gains from ads vs api
 
@Zirak because a build gives you a unique binary, so you can be sure you're testing the same thing that goes to prod
 
@rlemon Welcome to the wonderful world of Prolog :D
 
3:55 PM
because "deploying" from a git pull is an awful idea
 
@SomeKittens Imgur has ads?
 
@Zirak Oh man, prolog is wonderful and horrifying at the same time. Much like my sex life.
 
@ssube Why do you have to build it?
 
@Callum they do a pretty good job with them, they aren't intrusive
 
@SomeKittens I'm telling your wife you said that
 
3:57 PM
@SomeKittens We can discuss that with your wife (next time, on Hangouts...)
 
@Zirak I don't. I make the robots that the developers use to run their builds.
It's the ultimate job security.
 
@Loktar Hmm, I might allow ads there if they're non-instrusive,
 
@Loktar hidden bottom right
 
@Callum how thoughtful of you! :P
 
As jobs get replaced with robots, developers are needed to make those. But I make the robots for the developers.
 
3:58 PM
I might pay my rent depending on how nice the landlord is
 
lol
@Loktar dude, you don't have to fucking pay rent just to live where you live.
didn't you know?
you are entitled to a comfy house and shit
 
@Loktar If there's an extension to disable landlords, where are?
 
@Callum I had 'em on for a while but it was SO SLOW
 
also \o/ I'm always pinging you when this convo starts and you never are here
 
hahaha
 
3:59 PM
you are one of the only people who back me up
 
yeah I know I always miss them
this time I sort of started it though :p
 

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