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user1596138
6:00 PM
My main question was just whether or not the battery lasts through the boot up xD
 
@KendallFrey Still on the demo, though
 
I can't see semi-annual sale without thinking Victoria's Secret now
Thanks subliminal advertising
 
@Jhawins my w530's battery is good for 4-6 hours of running a VM, which is pretty impressive
 
ES6 question: Is it safe to remove elements of a Set while iterating using for..of ?
 
user1596138
@ssube Not talking VMs
 
user1596138
6:00 PM
VM will work I know that. That's my worst case scenario.
 
!!s/semi-annual sale/your mom/
 
@dystroy I'd guess no
 
@KendallFrey I can't see your mom without thinking Victoria's Secret now (source)
 
@Jhawins right, but VMs burn a lot of power (not as much as games), so if it can handle that..
the batteries have improved significantly. You won't get a full day, but...
 
user1596138
The GeForce 8XX series all seem to be fully "supported" in linux it's just that hybrid "switchover" shit I know won't work right
 
user1596138
6:02 PM
What do you do on linux with GPU anyway haha there are no good games
 
user1596138
I guess if the integrated graphics work on linux it'll be like power saving mode. One way or another this will work out just fine
 
L4D2, CIV 5 and Guild Wars 2 work well
 
@BrianS Whichever one the team you are on decides to use.
 
@RoelvanUden second page - there is an image
 
@SecondRikudo Thanks Second
 
user1596138
6:17 PM
LOL $986 order - $1.26 in taxes gotta love the internet
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You're going to sign up to beta test the hyperloop, right?
 
@Shmiddty Thanks, so is basically what you wanna build type of thingy
 
@Shmiddty sure, if it wasn't an april fool's joke I totally would :D
 
@BrianS Yep. And it should be discussed on a project-to-project basis
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh. I totally fell for it
 
user2620028
night guys
 
6:22 PM
Night
 
@Shmiddty Thanks man, really helped. i think i need to learn JS by itself first so it would be easier when i pick a framework. Even though I'm already using jQuery and D3.js and completely understand it.
 
@BrianS it's good to touch on all of them, just so nothing takes you by surprise.
 
it's nice, when faced with a problem that the docs don't touch, to be able to look into the code and understand it
 
I've been using ES6 in my personal projects for like 2 weeks now, and I love it. I do have issues with browserify not including all modules sometimes, though
 
Yeah true. Thank you. I just get this feelings where programmer have to know everything (even i have been programming for 12 years now)
 
6:25 PM
@NickDugger does it skip stuff in a predictable way, or just random files?
 
random
 
I'm looking into using browserify for something in the next few days
 
I'm blaming it on my computer bieng a slow hunk of junk
 
that shouldn't make it skip files entirely. That's weird, and not good, if it's reproducible.
I don't want to be using it in a project CI will build and have unpredictable results.
 
user1596138
 
user1596138
6:26 PM
But not off newegg it's cheaper elsewhere
 
3
because this is a wonderful idea
 
@Jhawins Have you owned a gaming laptop before?
 
user1596138
Borrowed for extended period of time
 
did you enjoy it?
 
user1596138
Yea I know you unplug it and it just dies
 
6:29 PM
Gaming laptops are horrible
 
^ for development
 
I have a gaming laptop
 
@rlemon Russians? Of course Russians.
 
gaming laptops are great for vacations
 
and I don't like it for gaming
 
user1596138
6:29 PM
Alright guys. There was a time for this discussion before I placed an order.
 
/me has gaming laptop
Or at least a laptop with gaming specs
 
if you buy a gaming laptop for gaming on it when at home... you're going to be disappointed
 
user1596138
I have asked many times for your opinions. If you didn't care to share them earlier well.. Eh, too bad.
 
user1596138
I don't even game
 
user1596138
So don't worry about my intensions hahaha
 
6:30 PM
if you are mobile a lot and like to game, a gaming laptop is great
when i went to MI a week after SC2 was released, I was happy to have a gaming laptop
 
user1596138
But I can on the 6th so
 
went to a lan, and was able to beat the campaign when there was downtime on vaca
also beat duke nukem forever
 
I have trouble coding on a laptop. gaming on a laptop would infuriate me
 
user1596138
Ok god dammit... Fine. Fine. Fine.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum what's your beef with it
 
6:31 PM
need to have an external mouse
 
@Jhawins 2.9
 
user1596138
@Shmiddty what's your beef with it
 
@Loktar and keyboard, and monitors... at which point.....
 
yeah honestly what are peoples issues with gaming laptops?
@rlemon meh, I use the laptop monitor and kb fine
 
I just entered the room and dislike laptops.
 
6:32 PM
just cant use a touch pad for gaming
 
@Jhawins they don't work as laptops (the GPU doesn't work off battery, for real), they overheat, they cost more than much better gaming PCs and getting a mediocre desktop and a mediocre ultrabook typically costs as much and gives back much better value. (cc @Loktar )
 
user1596138
Yeah I can't imagine you saying anything but "battery sucks" or "it's heavy" and neither of those matter at all whatsoever for me. My iPad has a case on it that literally weighs more than my ipad does.
 
@Jhawins Doesn't scale
 
@Loktar well, considering the screen is too small to code for me, and the keyboard pisses me off coding... I would have to imagine that would be enhanced via gaming
:P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum if you dont have adequate venting they for sure can over heat
 
6:32 PM
@Jhawins I need to connect a mouse and keyboard, which defeats the purpose of a gaming laptop
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum ahh so you mean in comparison to a desktop
 
It's not that the battery sucks it's that it doesn't work at all. Gaming GPUs don't work on battery - there was even a superuser question on that.
 
user1596138
That's invalid.
 
have to pay attention to those sorts of things, and yeah the battery vs being plugged in is imporant
 
@Jhawins you don't need a gaming laptop anyway, you need an ultrabok.
 
6:33 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum eh, some will, you have to manually set it to though
 
user1596138
A desktop isn't an option for me
 
user1596138
I need an ultrabook..
 
by default it scales on battery
 
@Loktar the battery doesn't have enough voltage to power mobile GPUs literally.
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Q: Why are my games slower on battery power, even with the power plan set to High Performance?

Egghead99My laptop is capable of running most games on high settings at decent frame rates. However, if the power cable gets unplugged while I'm playing, the game immediately starts slowing down, even if I'm using the High Performance power plan. Why does this happen? Is the battery not able to keep up w...

 
@Jhawins tell you what. buy me the laptop you are thinking about and in 2 months I'll be ready to tell you my honest review :D
 
user1596138
6:34 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's ok. I totally understand that!!
 
user1596138
There is integrated graphics as well.
 
the thing is.. if you are buying a gaming laptop to game on the go.. its perfect for that
if you are buying it for any other reason its not
 
user1596138
Basically it's a portable desktop for me. Will always be plugged in.
 
Desktop > all for productivity
 
FALSE
 
6:35 PM
that depends on your behavior
 
user1596138
And I would actually like to game more. I've just never really had the ability. But I have borrowed a alienware gaming laptop for 2 months straight.
 
if it were Minority Report wouldn't be using the strange pinch interface
 
user1596138
Honestly yeah it's totally personal preference.
 
yeah I've owned gaming laptops since idk 2004
 
user1596138
Some people can dev and be productive on a tablet. Or a surface pro. I can't hahaha
 
6:36 PM
for the sole purpose of when I leave my house for extended periods
 
You don't need a gaming laptop anyway, you need something you can code on.
 
user1596138
If you can then it works for you.
 
@Loktar some of us are not as luck to have a life, or irl friends.
 
I'm kind of a fidgety person, so I feel like I get more productivity out of a laptop. Simply put, if I feel like moving because I'm uncomfortable where I am, I can do that much more easily with a laptop.
 
we don't leave the house
 
user1596138
6:36 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I can code on a "gaming laptop"
 
then dont get a laptop :P
 
@Loktar pfft, you can carry a desktop around :P
 
user1596138
You plug it in and start using it.
 
@Jhawins right but you can also game on it which puts you further from your goal :D
 
@Jhawins I raise you "I do code"
 
6:37 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum haha sure but I cant carry it on a flight :/
 
@Loktar that's right I guess, I just never owned a gaming laptop I could stand - every one I touched was too plastic and hot and felt cheap and heavy and bad
 
user1596138
Yeah well it sounds more like you have beef with gaming than with any inherent flaws in gaming laptops
 
I have a chromebook + ubuntu for dev on the go just fyi
 
Even the expensive ones.
 
6:38 PM
because being able to game definitely is a hindrance for my productivity
 
@rlemon Either something is support that setup, or dude is a hulk
 
user1596138
No one has brought up a valid reason for why you can't code on a "gaming laptop" (which is physically identical to a normal laptop, just heavier and hotter)
 
@Jhawins I don't feel like repeating myself - the issues I said were: It gets hot, it doesn't deliver value compared to desktop+ultrabook, it's slow, usually they're of worse build quality compared to your alternative.
 
user1596138
If I bought one with no aggressive trim on it I would be fine then?
 
eh I disagree about build quality, mine have all felt solid (have only owned alienwares)
 
user1596138
6:39 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum "it doesn't deliver value compared to desktop+ultrabook" this isn't explained. "It's slow" this is downright a joke
 
but I agree about getting hot while gaming, makes my palm sweat
 
user1596138
"usually they're of worse build quality compared to your alternative" this is also a total joke?
 
also when it comes to value thats another great point
you buy a laptop today, its liek a car
 
@Jhawins Nothing about can or can't, but gaming generally involves installing shit that can fuck with your dev env. If you see a random bug in your code caused by something that some game changed in your system, it can be very counterproductive.
 
user1596138
Some of them are haha. But have you ever owned an Acer?
 
6:40 PM
laptops are extremely limited in upgrades
 
and the upgrades, yes.
but that's more of an economical argument
 
user1596138
@Loktar Well I have most the parts to put the new axle under my truck... ;P
 
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@Shmiddty Of course. And that isn't an issue for me. I will not dev on windows.
 
@Jhawins show me a single laptop that can outperform a core i7 from 3 years ago. Let's say a 2600k or something like that.
 
6:41 PM
gaming laptops have a gaming tax, thats pretty much the gist
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Show me a nintendo gamecube that can outperform an Xbox 360
 
Its true that desktops out perform laptops for much lower in price
 
@Jhawins It's a 3 year old processor and not even a highend one :P
 
user1596138
It'll outperform the shit out of my iMac.
 
but if you're on the go its kind of a moot point
 
6:42 PM
@Jhawins what does your iMac run?
 
I mean you only get a laptop if you're going for mobility I imagine anyway.. if not then its silly
 
@Jhawins What games do you play?
 
@Loktar right but his alternative is to buy something that'd run games very well at home (a desktop) as well as an ultrabook.
 
user1596138
@Shmiddty dude I don't have anything to play on
 
user1596138
@Loktar Right. Mobile desktop.
 
6:43 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum ah you're saying get both? Thats valid
 
user1596138
Look at it this way - despite the "flaws" what alternative fits my use case?
 
$800 desktop + monitor, and a chromebook for dev P
 
Honestly, if you're looking to play games on the go, maybe you could consider one of the newer handheld devices? I always liked my GBA
 
Vita master race.
 
haha
 
6:44 PM
/me loves his vita
 
user1596138
An "ultrabook"? Hell no.
 
@Loktar does that interact with the ps4?
 
yea, and the ps3
you can remote play from either one
or use it as a controller for the ps4
 
So I can play DA:I while pooping?
 
I got a playstation TV recently (a vita w/o a screen) just for playing the ps4 on my tv downstairs
yea
 
user1596138
6:45 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's an imaginary alternative that only exists in your mind. A desktop right now isn't an option.
 
remote play works really well
 
@Shmiddty no more trying to position mirrors!
\o/
 
user1596138
An ultrabook is... Well normally that's a 2in1, it's not a real term. But a 2in1 isn't even an attempt to do the same thing. I need a GPU
 
haha
 
the vita is a fucking awesome device, just sayin
 
6:45 PM
@Jhawins why oh why do you need a GPU?
 
@rlemon I can actually see the center third of the screen from the toilet.
 
esp if you are already in the sony ecosystem
 
user1596138
Because I said so. It's that simple.
 
(A fast GPU that is)
 
some people read while pooping, others go on SO chat from their phone, @Loktar kills Zombies
2
 
6:46 PM
haha
 
user1596138
Hahaha
 
lol
 
@rlemon playing L4D while pooping could get messy
 
lol
 
You can play I Wanna Be The Boshy with an onboard GPU
 
6:46 PM
@rlemon some people even get great cell reception since they're on top of slides while doing it.
 
> dude, you scared the shit out of me. Thanks!
 
@ssube Hey, sometimes you need some help clearing the pipes
 
hell man I play dont starve + faster than light on my chromebook
 
@Jhawins well, it is my opinion that you should not buy a gaming laptop for the reasons above - feel free to disagree with them.
 
which sucks.. because games creep onto my dev device
 
6:47 PM
@Loktar that reminds me
 
^*2 Story of my life :D
 
user1596138
It honestly pisses me off a little bit how I've asked about this ~6 times in the last month at popular times and now that I choose what to buy and pay for it you would like to share your opinion with me haha
 
we need to play don't starve together
 
@Jhawins This is the first I'm hearing it
 
@Jhawins you asked about it so I answered - I missed the other ~6 times before.
 
user1596138
6:48 PM
You don't tell your bro not to marry that bitch after he already has. You gotta do it before
 
I got some for my house.. its amazing!
 
@Jhawins Oh, you already bought a gaming laptop?
 
get around 19mbps instead of whatever the wireless was getting
 
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@Loktar I love mine
 
@rlemon oh yeah man,
 
6:49 PM
@Loktar we use a similar product at work. doesn't work so well. maybe i'll order those
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum About 5 minutes before you said I shouldn't ;P
 
@Jhawins well fml sorry bro :P I didn't know that.
 
user1596138
31 mins ago, by Jhawins
LOL $986 order - $1.26 in taxes gotta love the internet
 
Congrats on your new purchase I hope you enjoy it haha.
 
@Loktar Wait, how does that work? It uses the power lines to carry the network signal?
 
6:49 PM
yeah man
 
@dystroy good question, no idea :D Did you check the spec?
 
its been around for a while, but they used to have to reside on the same circuit
 
user1596138
@Loktar I shit myself when I got those powerline adapters hahaha
 
now apparently it doesn't matter
 
Huh... seems like witchcraft
 
6:50 PM
@Jhawins yeah man they are great. My issue was ps4 remote play sucked over wireless on the playstation tv
 
@dystroy did you find out?
 
should I get my torch ready?
 
user1596138
I thought they needed to be on the same breaker but they work even out in my barn
 
so I got a set so it worked better for my son
@Jhawins that used to be the case
not anymore it seems
 
user1596138
Over a ~140ft outdoor buried cord
 
user1596138
6:51 PM
With the other one hooked up in my room
 
yeah its pretty nutty. A cheaper alternative to wiring your house with cat5
esp since one day wireless will be just as good or better
 
user1596138
Yeah it's weird I don't honestly like the thought it's just kinda icky...
 
@Jhawins do you have line of sight?
 
ahah anyway I got one and have used it for a week.. I'm a believer
 
6:52 PM
ohh nvm. I misread
you already own one
 
my dad is probably going to grab one for the basement now
 
Anyone familiar with any of these folks? spacecityjs.com/#speakers
 
it can replace my wireless repeater
 
user1596138
@rlemon Umm my room is in the basement
 
@dystroy
> Repeat while index is less than the total number of elements of entries. The number of elements must be redetermined each time this method is evaluated.
 
6:52 PM
@Loktar do you play a lot of local mp?
 
Sounds like it's supported.
 
@rlemon with the kids yea
 
Jan 28 at 16:33, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
 
@Jhawins I meant from the house to the barn
 
user1596138
Yes
 
6:53 PM
What the hell is that @BenjaminGruenbaum?
 
@Loktar do you ever play like this:
 
user1596138
I don't need internet out there I was just trying it one day
 
I've got so many little technical quirks about my entertainment setup that I need to work out
 
no, I dont look like a bro unfortunately :(
 
@GabrielTomitsuka [[SetIterator]]
 
6:53 PM
Hello everyone!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You mean, client side???
Then, oh yeah, holy shit.
 
I need to rewire my old speakers, get a powered subwoofer, get new speakers (center channel, left rear, right rear), figure out why my projector is flickering, see if I can't make the fan on the PS4 quieter... etc etc
 
@GabrielTomitsuka I have no idea what you're talking about but sure
@IonicăBizău hey
 
Just observed something funny and interesting: I'm 19. I have 19k rep points, being in 19th position amongst Romanian users, here on StackOverflow.
 
6:55 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Aurelia is a next generation JavaScript client framework
 
@IonicăBizău hah I'm 18 and have 18k!
... :( not really
 
I'm 20 and have 20K
 
@IonicăBizău I predict you will have a very successful career in programming
 
Emulating for of is so annoying :S
for(var iter = f[Symbol.iterator](), next = null; !(next = iter.next()).done;){
  console.log(next.value);
}
 
I'm 29 and have 9k
 
6:56 PM
pfft
 
@Shmiddty Thank you! I hope that. :-)
 
On Node.js, as far as I know, you can use the --harmony thing.
 
user1596138
Dammit...
 
user1596138
> Your order has been cancelled
 
I'm 28 and have a red backpack.
 
user1596138
6:57 PM
For blah blah blah item is out of stock from this seller
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think it's OK, based on pieces of discussions I found but I'm too lazy to try decyphering the spec. For now I'll just assume it's at least OK to remove the current element in the iteration of the set
 
I'm a red backpack
 
@Jhawins What, that was a great deal man. You should have bought it.
 
user1596138
@Shmiddty Bought what?
 
That gaming laptop
 
6:57 PM
@dystroy yeah, read the spec - it's ok, gonna make a Q and A about it.
 
user1596138
I mean I can reorder it it costs $0.02 more from the other seller
 
@rlemon I'd seen it before, but dammit I want to cry :')
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'll ask, you answer, OK ?
 
@dystroy already writing but sure.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum OK, I won't make you drop your question, go on
 
6:58 PM
kicked before I could even notice the message
damn you guys are fast
 
@Jhawins I'm just screwing with you
 
user1596138
lmao yea I was like wait what
 
I have no idea if it is a good deal
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum you may send me one link to one product <$1K and I will consider it :D
 
user1596138
Watch him send me like a fleshlight
 
6:59 PM
@dystroy For the record, it doesn't work with arrays
 

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