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crl
8:00 PM
@corvid futures are like the old predecessor of promise I think?
 
@KendallFrey Because I need a solid understanding of how it works and thought Javascript might not be the best to start with in regards to that.
 
@crl they're pretty similar
 
I know it's not stable yet, but I guess Netflix expected to get more hype around Falcor. Thoughts?
 
8:01 PM
@Asperger If you're set on learning OOP, I recommend C#. Java is also pretty good at OOP, but it has other issues, and I tend to avoid it.
 
Wow, quite a few
 
@KendallFrey so Java is set to die and utterly useless?
 
I hate Java
 
no
 
Im trying to learn something future proof (at least for now)
 
8:02 PM
@Asperger nope
 
it has its merits I guess
 
Java will be here for a VERY long time
it is used in a LOT of places you don't think about daily.
 
java is the enterprise language
 
isn't that c#?
 
8:03 PM
Oh my god
 
every enterprise shop I've worked at/for uses/used .net :/
 
crl
@Asperger yes
 
@Asperger Are you learning a language with the intent of building a career on it, or just to learn computer science concepts?
 
Industry standard in most Indian firms is ASP.net
 
8:03 PM
ohh, Falcor looks kinda nice. It and Relay both look interesting
 
I cringed, but that flip though...
 
their code be like %{<script>x=}%{...}...
 
crl
dang js curve isn't climbing fast enough
 
his legs gon be broke
 
car accidents are cool. cars hitting people was not
 
<3
 
@KendallFrey I want to become a web programmer (backend and frontend) but thought that if I also learn a non-scripting language like C sharp or Java then I could become a better programmer in general. Also I would learn a few more computer science concepts
 
You become a better programmer by doing interesting things
 
@Asperger JS is pretty capable of web programming, backend included
 
keyword: doing.
even if it's full of bad practices and shitty code, just getting to the end of the project is the goal
 
8:07 PM
@SomeKittens im just worried since someone told me before: Guys who only know scripting languages are no programmers
 
If you want to learn concepts jargon, go Haskell
 
@Asperger That's not entirely true, but is getting at a real issue.
 
They are just compensating for small penises or vaginas.
 
@Luggage Nah, as long as you learn
 
@Asperger ...so?
 
8:07 PM
Most "scripting" is pretty shallow as to the concepts it ends up using.
 
why should random opinions matter?
 
Also hanging out here and just trying to decode whatever people talk, hoping that it is programming related is a good exercise.
 
If you want to understand some of the more fundamental concepts, you'll have to do something other than scripting. Memory is a good example of that.
 
I learned a buttload on my current project, even though I've let it sit barely started for a few weeks
 
@SomeKittens I want to get employed after my apprenticeship
 
8:08 PM
If, it happens to be programming related, you'd probably learn some things.
 
what kind of var declaration is this?
var {
  AppRegistry,
  StyleSheet,
  Text,
  View,
} = React;
 
crl
destructuring
 
Frontend webdevs: We're engineers, but the UI folks aren't
Backend webdevs: We're engineers, but the frontend folks aren't
System devs: We're engineers, but the webdev folks aren't
Embedded devs: We're engineers, but the system folks aren't
...etc
 
@SuperUberDuper dont you mean: var react = {}
 
@SomeKittens apparently only the UI folks aren't engineers
 
crl
8:10 PM
!!> var {foo, bar}={foo:1, bar:2}; [foo, bar]
 
@crl [1,2]
 
@SomeKittens you are right
 
@AwalGarg oh, and I forgot: Everyone non-CS with "engineer" in their title: We're engineers, but those programmers aren't.
 
and the embedded devs are better than everyone
 
circuit board makers: We're engineers, but the embedded folks aren't
 
8:10 PM
Everyone looks down upon someone else.
 
But if I were to learn another language later, would you say c++ , c sharp or java?
 
Vim users: We are vim users, but others aren't.
 
so if you're basing your life decisions on "I don't want to be looked down upon", I've got some bad news for you
 
crl
what about the java embedded devs?
 
@Asperger C++ and C#
 
8:11 PM
@Luggage I mean, I was starting to develop a Go backend for that, but than I saw there is (theoretically) something in progress so I stopped. We are more than month later and.. nothing!
 
C# will teach you everything Java can and more, but C++ and C# are both useful for teaching different skills
 
I know too many hunters
 
@crl losers, all of them
embedded is for suckers.
 
/me has considered Go
 
8:12 PM
Go looks nice
 
@ssube so if I know C sharp then I got a pretty all-around knowledge as far as I understood you
 
I wanna get into RUST soon
 
@Asperger no
C# is good and will cover the usual OO concepts well
You need another language for good functional examples
JS, C#, C++, Haskell, Lisp, and Intel assembly are a pretty good list (in order)
 
@Asperger It's not called C sharp
 
That should cover everything
 
8:13 PM
@KendallFrey well, it is called c shard, but written c#
 
@ssube wow nice
 
c pound right?
 
@ssube There are plenty of esoteric languages that cover lots of unique concepts, just not useful for everyday programming.
 
that react unstructured code doesn't run in the console, what does it do?
 
What is this data structure supposed to be...?
 
crl
8:14 PM
oh assembly, my favorite language
 
{
  [Function]
  create: [Function],
  retrieve: [Function]
}
 
it comes from the react native project
 
@SuperUberDuper let [foo, bar] = [1,2]
 
that is generated
 
@KendallFrey For curiosity/trivia's sake, name a concept not covered by JS, C#, C++, Haskell, or Lisp.
 
8:15 PM
foo === 1;
bar === 2;
 
Excluding asm for now because it can do everything.
 
@ssube Throw in Prolog and you've got most things covered
 
Concatenative languages?
 
I did have a glance at java and found that having learned javascript made things easier. I somehow felt at home. What I noticed was that java needs the data type specified and some other things
 
Maybe Forth for a stack-based language
 
8:16 PM
Yeah, that's what I had in mind.
 
And Io for a minimalistic example of power
 
I don't get it
why point several variables to react
 
!!xkcd pass the salt
 
@Asperger ^ Just start doing things, don't care where you start.
 
crl
8:17 PM
@SuperUberDuper affect all of them in one shot
 
@ssube All concepts covered by REBEL, for starters
 
Dunno, maybe just read SICP. The thinking is the important thing.
 
Befunge and Piet have spatial programming
 
:-)
 
@Asperger So far I've seen you talking a lot but not doing much. Go do things and leave this sad community behind. Come back when you're sad inside.
Being sad is a good indicator of knowing a berth of things.
 
crl
8:19 PM
@KendallFrey with matrices? how?
 
@crl hm?
 
I live for the day when EDMs will no longer be a fustercluck of tables and inconsistent/incomplete client render systems
 
crl
@KendallFrey nvm, gotta understand what is spatial programming first, ignore me
 
Not sure if it's a real term, but read up on befunge and you've got it
relatively simple in concept
 
8:24 PM
@monners Interesting
 
@crl its es6 right?
 
@Zirak I might give it a crack today. Will let ya know if I think it's any good
 
but why not just use React instead of all those other variables pointing to it
 
wat?
 
It's not programming if you don't use enough variables.
 
8:25 PM
Could someone help me with github?
 
@monners I tried it today. It is not "snappy". And some UI bugs here and there which I guess shall be fixed as the project matures.
 
@ssube Nah, that's just functional programming :P
 
@SuperstarGamer-Trent Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@AwalGarg Oh yeah? Good to know. How about the core features, UI bugs aside, easy to use without being simplistic?
 
Ah ok, well you see githuub fails to sync so I did git status in bash and it says I'm up to date
But it says "fatal: Could not open file: .git/rebase-merge/done for reading: no such file or directory"
 
8:27 PM
that just means your checked out branch is up-to-date with the last successful sync.
 
@monners Yes, although I need to explore it a bit more
 
Now I know the file doesnt exist, but why would it have to?
 
git is not the same as github
 
Like I'm managing a repo with github and right now I'm using git bash to see what's wrong with the repo
 
crl
git is to github what smtp is to gmail
 
8:28 PM
@SuperstarGamer-Trent github is just a website front to a service that allows you to 'socialize' your git repos
 
If I'm correct, git is the shell used for managing repositories and github is simply a gui?
@rlemon yes that's waht I meant
 
@SuperstarGamer-Trent No, github is a website where you can store git repos
 
And then git bash is the shell you use to manage them, correct?
 
The git repo on your computer has nothing to do with the repo on github
 
@SuperstarGamer-Trent yes
 
8:29 PM
@Nick your Q landed me 50 rep on programmers :D
 
@SuperstarGamer-Trent You can't access a github repo from bash
 
You're welcome
 
@KendallFrey you can. Don't confuse them more.
 
@KendallFrey "git bash" is a terminal emulator shipped with git for windows.
 
you can only use it as a remote repo, so pulling, pushing, etc.
 
8:30 PM
@Kendall I know that
 
try: git rebase --abort
 
@ssube Not like a normal repo
 
Ok now it says I'm behind one commit, I'm assuming the command to sync would be git sync?
 
@SuperstarGamer-Trent nope
 
8:31 PM
@rlemon progress... it can host itself now if you still remember what I was working on :P
 
Wait found it, it's working again! Now my team wont murder me! :D
 
@SuperstarGamer-Trent if it's saying you're behind remote, use git pull. if you're behind another branch, use git merge.
 
@PeeHaa I only see one problem
*.php
 
Nathan: I found the command to sync, now everything is working nice and tidy once more
 
with git, just never 'force' a push and you team will nevr murder you
 
8:32 PM
Yeah I've written it in a proper language
:P
 
really? where is that branch?
 
@PeeHaa nice
 
because all I see is your php branch, which as we all know, must be a joke.
 
@Luggage I caused serious fuckups even without that once
 
@rlemon :P
 
8:33 PM
botched merge or something
 
Long story short, the reason this happened was because I forgot to sync to make sure none of my code conflicted before commiting then syncing again
 
it should have been recoverable..
 
So I had to do a merge, then I accidentally did a revert twice
 
unless over 30 days or when the reflog is cleaned
 
with git comes great responsibility
 
8:34 PM
 
s/git/keyboard/
 
Then I had to go back and manually add the code I missed when syncing
 
@AwalGarg tnx :)
 
my coffee table right now
 
@SomeKittens You a member of massdrop?
 
8:34 PM
And then commit and sync, and now it's finally working again
 
@SomeKittens y u invert picture
 
@monners yeah
@KendallFrey blame Photo Booth
and my lazy
 
They're doing a run of blueprint-style posters for sci-fi ships at the moment
 
Anybody that plays Minecraft would be interested in the project I'm working on :) (Link: github.com/RedstoneLamp) Yes I know it's java but javascript users work with github so I came here since there were actually people to help me with my github issues
 
@monners GIMME ALL OF 'EM
 
Bye, thanks for the help everybody! :D
 
problem is, I just spent all (of next month's) budget on the figurines above.
 
@SomeKittens booooooooo
 
and that means I have two 180 point armies and I need 400 points to compete
sigh
 
> That’s why, in 19 developing countries, it’s offering a smartphone app that provides free access to Facebook and other online services.
 
8:38 PM
MassDrop does Armada though, yay!
 
isn't this against net neutrality ?
 
@rlemon Yep
 
asshats
 
wired.com/2015/10/facebook-remakes-news-feed-developing-world ugh. this article isn't about free access, but it does point it out
fuck you facebook. I understand on a PR level it looks like you are doing a nice thing, but you are undermining the internet.
 
8:41 PM
@SomeKittens Done
 
FUCK YOU FLECK ON MY SCREEN! I'M GETTING CLEANER! YOU'VE TRICKED ME INTO THINKING YOU ARE A COMMA FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!riot
 
╯°□°)╯┻━┻
 
So I started writing a javascript library recently for saving data, only supports the browser, and I'm looking for feedback. github.com/IronCountySchoolDistrict/…
It's specific to PowerSchool, the system I write code for at work
 
Ugh. Easypost is super annoying sometimes
 
Mostly wondering about the usage pattern I have established. I know nothing about something that fills this role, so I'm sure it will run into large problems as my usage of it grows.
var contact = {
  id: contactRecordResp.id, // Primary key
  contactdcid: contactRecordResp.id // Foreign key
};


// Pass table metadata to the Client constructor
var contactClient = new escl.Client({
  coreTable: 'Students',
  extGroup: 'u_student_contacts',
  extTable: 'u_student_contacts',
  coreTableNumber: '001'
});

// Save record
contactClient.save(contact).then(function() {
  // Do stuff and things after record is saved
});
 
crl
!!learn unriot "┬──┬ ¯_(ツ)"
 
@crl Command unriot learned
 
@rlemon Why ya gotta disrespect my womenz?
 

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