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6:00 PM
Lol oh I don't even like booze I'm not that kind of redneck
 
ahh. Weed.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You're the one who voted io.js now, right ?
(I saw you leaving the room and noticed there was a +1 on io.js)
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens Oh that's right... Cost half my salary for the course :/. Just how much do you guys teach people??
 
@JanDvorak one delvote is missing
 
nvm
 
6:03 PM
@Jhawins If you can spend a while learning useful things and spend enough time talking to people who need those skills, you can probably swing an entry job without any official schooling.
 
@dystroy I can't :-(
 
@grasshopper getting a job is less a matter of "I know X" and more one of proving it, being a go getter, etc
 
After that, you can either build experience for a while, or use your now-greatly-increased salary for school.
 
@Jhawins it probably would be too low-level for you.
 
@JanDvorak close-voting and still answering a bad question. Typical.
 
user1596138
6:04 PM
@SomeKittens Like Assembly low-level or like back to basic low-level?
 
It's designed for complete beginners - you start off with for loops, etc.
 
user1596138
Ohh I understand.
 
user1596138
Yeah well I mean it couldn't hurt to be walked through the most basic of things by experienced guys. I never was. But it might not be worth it for me
 
@FlorianMargaine was eating
 
user1596138
IMHO it's a lot easier to pick the right direction as an absolute beginner vs. semi-experienced in most things :/
 
6:07 PM
@rlemon you should eat with us
 
you paying?
 
when's your birthday?
 
09/05/1986
 
I recommend Cloud9 to work in team. :)
 
Ito it a good to use mvc architecture with Extjs?
 
6:10 PM
@Smrita Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@JanDvorak just deleted
 
Okay thanks @CapricaSix
 
lol, just got 3 helpful flags in 5 minutes from the same person reposting the same comment on the same answer.
Is there such a thing as a comment ban?
 
But... I wasn't done shouting at LRiO ;-)
 
@Jhawins just emailed the coordinator about more advanced classes
 
6:11 PM
@JanDvorak Sorry, but that's a task that will never be complete.
 
@JanDvorak good thing we stopped that, then :)
 
@ssube You can attract the negative attention of moderators and might find yourself unable to use the site at all.
 
@JanDvorak huh. Hope they check his profile then, cause it's got a rant telling the mods to fuck off.
 
@ssube If you think he deserves mod attention, flag!
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens interesting. Keep me posted? Options are options. I've got a few months at least before anything can happen (finances)
 
6:12 PM
@ssube link?
 
@JanDvorak Don't know if it's worth their time on its own, tbh.
Griwes, Wrocław, Poland
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user1596138
@SomeKittens the news story I see says your trains are backed up because someone got hit :/
 
Wow, 5.3k and still calling people names?
 
Hello every one
So I know absolutely nothing about js
*extjs
 
@Jhawins they jumped
 
6:14 PM
@JanDvorak Right? Repeatedly, too. Hence my throwing down a few flags.
 
If somebody is able to see Chrome/Android log (maybe through adb), I'd be grateful for an analysis of what fails on miaou /rooms page (might be HTTP level)
 
And i am supposed to decide whether using mvc architecture with Extjs is good or not
So I would love to hear your opinion
About it
 
@SomeKittens oh ok, then I'll always be employed then cuz I am go getter
@SomeKittens only thing is you have to give me something worth getting, that I can actually get.
 
That question we just deleted... edited by LRiO and gathering undelvotes in the lounge :-(
 
41 mins ago, by Second Rikudo
What are the differences between Google Traceur and 6to5?
Anyone?
 
6:17 PM
@dystroy right
 
@dystroy Lemme see
What are you observing?
 
@SecondRikudo 6to5 is faster, supports more stuff and produces faster code, generally. Traceur is older which is a pro
 
@grasshopper kinda the wrong attitude - you have to decide what to go get. Note @Jhawins deciding he wants a better career - good example.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum does it seem possible to keep both io.js and node on the same computer ? I'm a little afraid with things like npm -g and the like...
 
...fail
 
6:20 PM
!!afk baby
 
@dystroy I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary
Page loads fine and there are no errors in the console or in the Network tab.
(OnePlus One with Android 4.4 on it)
 
@SomeKittens no I meant like an actual goal not just drudge work. I hate meaningless work (like entering data or something....) even in that case though I'd build some program.
 
@grasshopper you don't get to pick between the two, and won't until your title is all caps and starts with C.
Then you'll only have drudge work to do.
 
@ssube I don't think anyone wants to pay someone 20+ dollars an hour to do drudge work.
 
6:36 PM
@dystroy should be fine
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum dystroy is afk: baby
 
@grasshopper entering data is not programming
It's QA :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it isn't even QA if you have co-ops ;)
 
what do all-natural locally-sourced vegetables have to do with data entry?
 
@grasshopper sometimes drudge work needs to be done. Tests need to be written and updated, old code needs to be found and extracted, libraries need to be updated
 
6:42 PM
Ew, Digital Ocean now supports FreeBSD. In case you didn't have enough networking issues already.
 
use Tilaa
 
user1596138
@ssube lol
 
@SomeKittens I think he was talking entering thousands of things :D
 
@ssube use teresko's brain
mar.io < what a waste of a domain :-(
 
user1596138
They have me doing data entry here every Friday. About 600 fields in DB, then decide on per-field basis what to put in a different column for the next week. It takes me exactly 7 minutes thank you JavaScript but the boss doesn't know I run a script to do it so I buy myself 2 hours to work on the main project haha
 
6:50 PM
Wish I could pull that off
 
user1596138
And returns are 90% of the time below target value he's always like you're so good at deciding what to do with these but its just programmed logic
 
My seekret list of things to fix recently got formalized, so I have nothing to toy with in the little spare time I've got
Also, I don't have anything I do that's scriptable
 
user1596138
Lol yeah I wouldn't think you woukd
 
@SomeKittens write a script that writes code for you
duh
a prolog-output to JS transpiler
 
user1596138
^ is my "when did you go above and beyond without being asked to at work" interview question answer but I leave out the not telling the boss about the time gain part haha
 
6:54 PM
That's a good one
 
document.write(document.body.outerHTML.toString())
 
uhh... wat?
 
@NickDugger Oh lawd
 
can I use something other than mongodb with node.js?
 
yes
 
user1596138
7:07 PM
@NickDugger for president
 
@corvid Of course
 
Is there a good more traditional relational database with an ORM available?
 
Postgres?
 
^
periodic message count update: this is rlemon's 280438th message.
 
it's all postgres now
 
7:11 PM
@rlemon have you accounted for the observer effect?
 
if I say a message in a room and no one is around to index it, did I say anything at all?
 
user1596138
Reasoning unclear - stuck believing life isn't real
 
@rlemon There's still the transcript
 
or mirrors
 
but until you've read the transcript, it is not being observed... I'm both saying something and not saying something
the act of reading it forces a state
 
7:15 PM
@rlemon's chat?
 
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is "string theory"
 
It is both present and not present at the same time
 
Nope. This is the thread theory
 
I thought it was quantum indecision?
 
user1596138
It is both but neither
 
7:17 PM
QID?
 
actually, it's gravity
 
probably more somewhere.
 
@Luggage juggaling db
even more awesome
Multi-database ORM: redis, mongodb, mysql, sqlite, postgres, neo4j, memory... Many databases, common API.
http://jugglingdb.co
 
huh.. didn't see that when i was looking
i already chose bookshelf and don't hate it, yet.
 
@SecondRikudo erm, I won't be able to make it to the room meeting
 
7:23 PM
@Zirak Will changing the time be beneficial for you?
 
I may not as well, if anyone felt like wooing me; itt'l have to wait.
 
That was only a three-hour commute.
 
@SecondRikudo I'm booked Thursday/Friday apparently, just got notified today
Do it without me, you'll live
 
We'll try
 
try not
do
 
7:24 PM
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Q: Is there a HTML opposite to <noscript>?

Re0slessIs there a tag in HTML that will only display its content if JavaScript is enabled? I know noscript works the opposite way around, displaying its HTML content when JavaScript is turned off. But I would like to only display a form on a site if JavaScript is available, telling them why they can't u...

Title is awesome
 
<noscript>WTF? Really?</noscript>
 
<script>document.write("...")</script>
kill me pls
 
just ordered this wrap
I'm pumped :P
 
Oh yeah @JanDvorak you pinged me earlier with a frownie face, but message got deleted or something. Anything important?
 
@rlemon nerd
 
7:29 PM
they have an R2D2 as well
I really wanted an LCARS wrap
 
@Zirak I heard you were extending Object.prototype
 
@JanDvorak that was a lie
he does Object.merge =
@FlorianMargaine was mistaken
 
Thus the deletion
 
I don't think I extended Object.prototype, but I do several other native prototypes
 
@JanDvorak ahh, I follow now
 
7:30 PM
oh, cool
 
hey all, how do I include bower components in my angular app? I'm getting this error trying to include ya.treeview:

Error: [$injector:modulerr] Failed to instantiate module ya.treeview due to:
Error: [$injector:nomod] Module 'ya.treeview' is not available!

My app looks like this:
var app = angular.module('app', ['ngRoute', 'ngResource', 'ui.bootstrap','ya.treeview']);
I'm guessing Angular doesn't "see" the bower component
 
@taco what is the bower component? oh ya.treeview... make sure it is included in your index.html
 
angular-ya-treeview
 
@taco are you using grunt?
 
gulp
Here's the github page: github.com/ca77y/angular-ya-treeview
It just says to set it as I did above
 
7:37 PM
@taco ok did you restart gulp?/ Does gulp take care of bower components for you (I'm assuming it does).
 
This is the first bower component I've ever tried to use. The rest are from npm
 
@taco oh... oh ok, how far are you into your app?
@taco also check your index.html for the file
@taco should be "bower_components/angular-ya-treeview/something.js"
 
The installation section doesnt say anything about index.html
 
@taco no no check your websites index.html file
 
@grasshopper are you saying that's the right way to include a bower component? include it like that?
 
7:41 PM
@taco also how far are you into your app? I think you should switch to using a yo it will save you ALOT of time.
 
yeah I like yeoman
 
@taco why aren't you using it?
 
Business Analysts want a stupid treeview
 
"Yeah, I lost money on Bitcoin - that's why I bought more"
 
@taco ok well your going to have to include a the angular-ya-treeview file
 
7:43 PM
@SomeKittens buy low sell high is the general consensus
 
@taco this should work <script src="bower_components/angular-ya-treeview/dist/ya-treeview.min.js"></script>
I actually made a bitcoin site. It is sort of like an amateur's version of bitPay
 
@taco Of course - but with a market this volatile...
 
holy shiz btc is only $180
 
@SomeKittens, yeah, they were at $500 last december
yeah, I saw it dip down to 174, it's back up to 178
 
@grasshopper Dipped below 170 last night
 
7:47 PM
nice
 
@taco Right - this isn't a market you can time...
 
if it's up tomorrow, i think im gonna buy another one
 
If it keeps sliding, the whole thing will collapse.
 
@SecondRikudo Just post the link and a text like "Possible Duplicate <your link>" or use a flag — Dwza 1 min ago
 
If the Winklevoss twins pull out, then I would worry
 
7:49 PM
wow, you know I have a little bit of money in there but overall I think this is a good thing.
Only problem is the loss some business may have to eat.
 
@SomeKittens or you know it is a good day. I hate the days when it doesn't slide all the way to the bottom
then it just sits there staring at me until the next day
 
@taco did it work?
 
I have zero dollars invested in cryptocurrencies. Investing in crypto is a bad idea.
 
@SomeKittens no its not lol
@SomeKittens investing money you need in cryptocurrencies is bad.
 
I'd rather play online poker than invest in crypto currencies
 
7:53 PM
I once invested in AES-ECB
 
I feel like I'd have better odds
 
Once
 
we have one. you don't
 
If I buy a share of GOOG, I'm betting that Google will continue to produce useful things. I own part of Google, so they have to listen to me & my voting rights.
 
@SomeKittens it's a nice idea. but try telling google "I OWN 8 shares! YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME"
 
7:54 PM
If I buy BTC, I've got nothing other than some numbers. It has no worth outside of what others will pay for it.
@rlemon 8 shares is $4k
 
@rlemon They'd put more Twix in the vending machines
 
@Zirak They don't have any Twix...
 
@rlemon @SomeKittens you said investing, which is not just in the currency but the infrastructure.
 
@SomeKittens WAT
 
!!define investing
 
7:55 PM
@rlemon investing Present participle of invest.
 
Also i'm not saying its the best investment either
 
!!define invest
 
@rlemon invest (dated) To clothe or wrap (with garments).
 
..smart ass
god I hate you @CapricaSix
 
@grasshopper Investing in the infrastructure is actually buying shares of companies.
 
7:55 PM
Wiktionary, you suck
 
BTC != company
please don't make me defend BTC I don't want to.
 
@grasshopper ah, the "fundamentals" argument?
If you don't want to defend something, don't. Simple as that.
 
just saying its not necessarily a bad idea.
especially if we're talking 3 years ago or even 2 years ago.
 
Is it possible to check if iframe's response code is equal 200?
 
Yes, investing becomes very easy when you're looking behind you.
 
7:58 PM
isn't that what you're doing now, you were saying its a bad idea because of the crash no?
 
@BenBeri so you want to know if an arbitrary URL exists, do you?
 
@grasshopper No, I'm saying cryptocurrencies are a bad investment because there's nothing backing them. That has always been true.
 
Not only if exists
i want to check if the response was equal to 200 exactly
 

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