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4:02 PM
A bird just ran into the window....
 
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It got back up, flew back 10 feet, then flew into the window again.
 
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Now it's hobbling around... I feel bad, but that was the funniest shit.
 
@Jhawins why didn't u record that
 
4:06 PM
YOU RUINED IT
 
if you're going to merge images, at least make an effort.
 
@rlemon so much better
 
Peace be upon you guys :)
 
@Ahmad G'Morning
 
4:22 PM
Can I change the max number of websocket connections in the browser ? O.o
I tried in firefox: about:config and changed the max number from 200 to 1000 but it become 256 ?
 
Better ?
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar it just happened again XD
 
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Natural selection at it's best
 
Lolz
 
4:26 PM
Go home iTunes you are wasted.
lemme share the specs
 
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IT JUST HAPPENED AGAIN
 
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Idk if it's the same bird there's like 5. But they all seem a bit disoriented.
 
check your compass, the MAGNETIC ONE
 
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Hahahaa I have never seen cuter/funnier birds than these.
 
user1596138
4:28 PM
They seem to be playing
 
JUST LOOK AT THAT Steve Jobs
laughing from heaven
 
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That thumbnail...
 
 
FUCK U apple, microsoft
 
4:31 PM
so I created a "loading spinner" for a web form that I created. When the accept terms button is clicked it runs a jquery script to bind the spinner to an AJAX event. It is supposed to start when AJAX is on and stop when it is off. Problem is that when the button is clicked if there are any errors on the form the labels on the fields that have errors turn red and the form data is not sent. The spinner loads, but doesn't disappear if the errors are present. Any suggestions?
 
@zigi ironically apple now is much bigger than microsoft...
 
Well Microsoft wouldn't be Micro otherwise, right :D
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar Their revenue from iPhone sales alone topped Microsoft in 2010 I think it was
 
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user1596138
4:33 PM
iPhone sales even topped Boeing
 
this is what happens when a lot of your sales come in INDIA
 
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I don't think India had much to do with it.
 
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lol
 
@Jhawins if all the copies of windows in india were legit
or close to the legit percentage world wide microsoft would be minting stuff at light speed
 
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Pfft. Silly talk
 
4:34 PM
my friends look me like i am a serial killer when i tell em i "buy" software.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar apparently there are more hipsters that have money than people that realize that functionallity should be taken into account over the looks
 
@zigi Yeah they are called android customers
 
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@zigi Don't talk to @AbhishekHingnikar about this one. He's a really smart guy, has a lot of potential. But he's absolutely retarded when it comes to this debate :)
 
nobody buys android you silly guy
 
To be fair, Macs have incredibly powerful hardware. You just pay through the nose for it.
 
4:36 PM
people but devices, that run android
 
^
@SomeKittensUx2666 i agree with you
@zigi my personal experience with android is its retarded. and is still in retardedness big screen is a plus but thats it.
 
@Jukka: Personally, I wouldn't call it a fault. "one of the most common reasons" is indeed a correct answer, even to a question as broad as the one stated in the title. That is the main reason why this question-and-answer pair exists. Parts of this answer address the example given in the question body, albeit with non-matching code. And "address[ing] questions not asked at all" has always been fine so long as those hypothetical questions are relevant to the main question at hand - it's part of what makes a good answer a great answer. — BoltClock ♦ 5 secs ago
Aaaand wrong room
 
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Not really true... I think it's more the fact that they have such a limited range of hardware. It's easy to optimize. The hardware is in no way exceptional.
 
But I guess you all know about the CSS prefix question
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Q: What to do with CSS prefix questions?

Zach SaucierThroughout the time I've been on SO I've run into numerous questions that can all be fixed by adding the relevant browser prefixes (-webkit-, -moz-, etc.) for the animation and transition properties in particular. In my first month or so on SO I loved seeing these questions because they meant (n...

 
@AbhishekHingnikar and I thought you had some common sense
 
4:37 PM
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Q: Why doesn't [feature] work in [browser] but works in others?

bjb568I tried using transition on Firefox 15 and it didn't work even though it worked on other versions of Firefox and other browsers like Chrome and Safari. When I view the properties using Firefox's inspector the transition is struck through and gives an error of "Invalid property value". MDN and c...

 
@Jhawins but they spend time writing code just for that hardware.
 
yeah
 
@zigi i spent cash on androids... and they died in months :P ..
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar Yup, I just said that
 
interesting
 
4:37 PM
iPhones also brought the new age of smartphones around. Android has consistently executed better across the board.
 
Nexus 5 btw
 
I have never heard that people can buy androids, and that they are tangible at all
please tell me more about it Abhishek
 
@Jhawins Wrong. I'm on a 2.3Ghz i7 - that's quality hardware any way you spin it
 
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Apple's "advantage" is that they have no diversity.
 
(in addition to my 16GB of RAM and 500GB SSD).
 
4:38 PM
@Jhawins or they want to focus on being best instead of being a slut ?
 
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@SomeKittensUx2666 I have that. I could've bought the same hardware for half price
 
@Jhawins indeed
 
@Sierisimo Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Jhawins florian tried building mac-pro (the dustbin) and he posted screenshots saying its almost the same price.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar well being the best slut yes
 
4:39 PM
^ talks so much about your character.
 
their ideology is follow us cause we know what we are doing
 
not a good one.
 
@Jhawins As someone who just spent quite a bit of time pricing high-end laptops, I'd love to see that.
 
but I am sure some point would come, when people become a bit more intelligent and realize that that's not how it should be
 
thinking and doing is much better.
 
user1596138
4:40 PM
If Android was optimized to run on 1 single set of hardware it would have the potential to be something amazing because it focuses on function rather than visual appeal. Apple takes the speed advantages they create by giving you only 1 option and uses that to make things shiny, do smooth animations and useless other functions.
 
@Jhawins I bought a laptop Asus G55VW best asus could offer at that time
 
huh
 
@Jhawins function,. android wtf ?
 
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Oh, you have to specify. Laptops are different.
 
talking about Asus now
 
4:40 PM
The only laptop that came close in terms of horsepower was cheaper, but had less than a quarter of the battery life.
 
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Stahp
 
the thing lags on loading images in gallery
 
HAMMAHTIME!
 
@Jhawins Yeah, that's what I'm on.
 
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You win I agree :)
 
4:41 PM
the thing takes 1200ms at times just to take an HDR image
 
I have had lenovo for quite a while and I am quite happy with it
 
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But iMacs and such are just stupid. Pathetic and stupid. For the price anyway
 
it's not as fancy as mac is
but on the other hand, the hardware is much better
 
I'm in no way an Apple fanboy - I just think irrational dismissal belies ignorance.
 
So at this point... The chat isn't about javascript anymore right?
 
4:41 PM
@Jhawins yeah. mac-mini + dell screen is much better
 
and it's easy to clean
 
@Jhawins Oh yeah. You're buying a desktop computer and get laptop hardware.
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar lol mac minis are even stupider than iMacs. Have you ever had to service one?!
 
@Sierisimo Chat.$inject =['JavaScript'];
 
@AbhishekHingnikar please elaborate how is mac better in hardware than lenovo and in terms of functionality?
 
4:42 PM
@Jhawins i opened one installed 16 gigs of ram
 
I have never changed my motherboard of my lenovos
I change them every 5 years
 
@zigi well 1. you get a stable unix like environment which is more easy to begin with, you get half the dev tools pre-installed
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar That's pussy shit. Apple makes that accessible. Did you know the airport antenna mounts literally to the rack mounting holes on the secondary hdd?
 
opposed to my colleague's girlfriend who gave her Mac mini for motherboard change twice
@AbhishekHingnikar I use linux on it so what?
 
@Jhawins i do :P
 
4:43 PM
Linux comes with a lot of tools installed
 
also that they mount hdd's on PCIE slots
 
Why someone incluided the game on the damn rules? ;_;
 
user1596138
That's awful.
 
and easy WINE
 
@zigi lol
 
4:43 PM
oh, one more thing
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar What? No?
 
keep dreaming son
 
@Sierisimo woah, you read them!
 
I have mac on my Lenovo as a double boot
so wuth up
 
wine + PS CS 6 won't work
 
user1596138
4:43 PM
wtf lol you obviously haven't had one apart
 
@Jhawins well zigi is on the point of going insane.
 
WINE is nice, but nowhere near a replacement.
 
so what, I have windows linux and mac on 1 machine
what is the problem with that
 
@zigi i have used a mac for 4 months, a linux for 18, windows for rest of my life
and the 4 months were way more productive.
 
user1596138
@zigi That is called a "hermacrodite"
 
4:44 PM
lol really
@Jhawins it's more like Termaphrodite
 
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@zigi That's stupid.
 
anyways i gotta sleep
 
user1596138
Mine was funnier
 
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:P
 
haha you so funny
here you go $5
 
4:45 PM
@Jhawins Who are you debating with a HeptaPhroDite
 
go watch TJ Hookah
 
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I have never used Windows as my primary OS... When I was 9-10 we were using Ubuntu
 
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And I had never even seen a Mac until I was 16.
 
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Other than in the store
 
You know, besides the discussion about MAC FANBOYS vs. THE REST OF THE FANBOYS, it's funny the tags, the rules. So, good choice on chatroom.
 
4:46 PM
haha Jhawins I forgot you are still young
@Sierisimo how can we assist you?
besides trolling you
 
@Sierisimo I think characterizing the discussion under 'fanboiz vs fanboiz' is over-summarizing it.
Most of us have extensive experience in all major environments
 
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@zigi lol yeah my beginning computer days were right around when 4.10 was released.
 
but yeah, you have a JS question, or just want to waste time? We're good at both.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I think characterizing the comment of Siersimo was over-simplifying
 
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Windows XP on dual boot so I could play roller coaster tycoon but that was the extent of it. Oh and Ricochet. That game was great.
 
4:48 PM
I grew up dual booting win 95 and OS/2 WARP
 
@Jhawins why didn't you use VM
 
I dunno, I was searching for JS talk, here in mexico we have something called Chelas.js that if you translate it's like: Beers.js and I just appeared here... so, your talk is cool, not the main title, but still cool
 
ah
 
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@zigi Cause I have a brain.
 
do you also have Tacos.js and Burritos.js?
 
4:49 PM
Sorry I forgot to tell that chelas.js was a event for JS developers
 
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And back then nobody had 16gb of RAM like now. You'd be splitting your 4gb between 2 systems. It was just not practical.
 
And jalapenos.js for the more spicy programmers
 
But tacos.js sounds awesome
Quesadillas.js and Enchiladas.py
 
tequilla.js
 
@Jhawins Ooh, I remember Ricochet. Good times.
 
4:50 PM
carnitas.js
Chalupa.js
Chipotle.js
 
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@SomeKittensUx2666 My dad is begging me to attempt some level of port for android. haha
 
Chorizo.js
 
^ I literally attend Beer.js
 
+10 for knowing what a chalupa is
 
@Jhawins that would be rather difficult
 
4:51 PM
Corona.js
Enchilada.js
 
Gordita.js
 
they are kind of sweet
:D
 
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Yeah I agree. Not something simple
 
@Jhawins RCT can't run on 64-bit Windows without DOSBox or something, can it?
 
Mexican room?
 
4:52 PM
PolloMotulenos.js
 
Chileatole.js
Not, just me, beign mexican and fat
 
hahaha :D
 
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@BoltClock Well, this was a decade ago almost and everything was 32 bit. Or do you mean now?
 
I am Bulgarian living in the Netherlands, eating mexican food
how does that sound
what has the world come up to
 
You win this... but wait for my revenge
 
4:53 PM
Guacamole.js
Salsa.js
Flan.js
 
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Q: Asynchronous I/O with promises?

p0fiOk, here is what im trying to achieve: Every time a function which sends some data over serial is called, it should create a promise. The external serial device will respond with some other data, and based on this data it should fulfill this promise. But somehow i don't get it working. Any ideas...

 
GarnachasPicositas.tar.gz
 
I don't know that
 
@Jhawins Now, for me. I finally went 64-bit since building my new PC and am trying to figure out how to get it running again. I use Windows 7, so there's XP Mode which I could probably use...
 
actually I do
 
4:54 PM
Garnachas === "Garbage food"
 
we have something similar in my country
 
Picositas === "Spicy"
 
 
Tamales
 
What is that?
we have the same
but with rice and pork inside
 
user1596138
4:55 PM
@BoltClock I mean, you could. It's been awhile, but it's totally doable. It'll actually run in WINE pretty well
 
Tamales it's a bunch of "salsa" and "masa" with some meat or other ingredient
 
user1596138
I have the Reflexive master pack. Every game they ever made XD
 
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There's multiple ricochet games.
 
@Jhawins The only thing I'm unsure of is 32 vs 64 bit. I got it running on 32-bit Win7 with just the official patch
 
@rlemon how do I search through the eloquentjavascript.net link you have provided in the pinned list?
does google index it?
 
4:57 PM
idk
check
 
My 2 cents on the thing about mac vs others: I have mac on the office, linux on my home with windows for the games. And it's sadly true, using a mac for developing it's a litle bit more productive than others, but it (at least for me) doesn't make it the most amazing and incredible OS.
 
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@BoltClock Idk. I don't see any reason it wouldn't work.
 
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There's not complicated device drivers or anything else going on.
 
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Most 32bit software will run fine
 
What makes mac more productive, cause I really hate having to make builds with the mac here at work
cause I have to learn all the freaking combinations
and when you click enter on a folder
it tries to rename it
instead of opening it
 
4:59 PM
ok got it, leave it now :) //ran "myQuery site:eloquentjavascript.net" in google
 
@Sierisimo I think linux is more productive if you put some time into it at the end of the day.
 
@Jhawins Yeah, but I've heard RCT is 16-bit. Anyway I'll see what I can find. Just thought I'd check with you is all :)
 
I have 3 screens at work with 4 virtual desktops which adds up to 12 screens in total
 
Yeah I know. cmd + o it's just stupid, but the thing is that you just install the damn IDE or another stuff and start coding.
 
5:00 PM
much more productiv then Alt + Tab
@Sierisimo tell me what makes mac much more productive?
 
@FlorianMargaine Thats the thing, you don't need time on the mac, you just start coding.
 
Cause I smell bias here and
 
BUT don't miss understand me, if you have the first configuration time, then linux it's your option.
 
@Sierisimo I meant spending some time once.
 
Actually I need to install the same shits that I install on the Windows and the linux
Spending a lot of money ones vs spending a bit of time once
hm, quite hard of a decision
 
5:01 PM
But in mac there's no problem with dependencies, compiling sources, specific package (deb,rpm,tar.xz,etc.)
 
not true
we tried using PHPStorm on Mac with driver for MS SQL server connection
 
aaa but i Didn't bought the mac at the office
 
didn't work properly, spent a day
 
Was the company that hired me
 
the time that has different encoding on MAC also cause some issues
 
5:02 PM
You got a point.
 
I don't see how you can generalize it
 
@Sierisimo uh?
 
Linux is only free if your time is worthless
 
like this
 
we haven't worked with the same mac
 
5:03 PM
Maybe it depends on the needs
 
it depends on many things, mainly the laziness of people
 
I've worked ~1 year on an mbp pro. Sorry, but homebrew sucks big balls.
 
and the unwillingness to learn something, like setting up stuff
agree with @FlorianMargaine
 
At work I run Java IDE's (IntelliJ, Eclipse) and need to edit javascript (SublimeText and LightTable) and on both OS I spent the same time configurating the enviorment.
 
yes
why should it be easier on one OS than the other?
the only thing that comes to mind is that people producing software for Mac want to make it more fluid so they give you less options to fiddle with
and people think it's easier cause they have less of a choice
 
5:05 PM
:18085798 Uncaught NotFoundError: Failed to execute 'insertBefore' on 'Node': The new child element is null.
 
but if you put source tree, Photoshop
 
well, we just don't have the same needs
 
etc.
it's the same in terms of installation
and configuration
 
And I agree, homebrew sucks, my favorite so far is emerge and pacman + yaourt. But the main thing is, some stuffs are easier (not less powerful)
 
can you give us an example
 
5:07 PM
@rlemon ^ (sorry for repeated disturbing)... that is the error, I tried to console.log the div in case, and it is present... any ideas?
 
@Sierisimo cause I can say, some things are easier with linux, not less powerful and you can surely agree if I give you a good example (like directly installed wget)
 
@AwalGarg let me consult my magic 8-ball
 
umm, ok...
 
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@BoltClock Oh damn lol. Idk. It's been a long time since I've touched a Windows machine honestly.
 
SO.... again: don't miss understand me. I don't love mac, I'm not a fanboy, actually I have a tatoo of shebang ( #! ), the thing is for some small and ridiculous things that make easier to use mac. Like the three fingers things on trackpad. The JDK install, the audio stuff with the headphones, the uninstall of programs (apps on mac, damn i hate calling everything app) etc.
 
5:09 PM
my PC has 3 fingers sensor
 
@AwalGarg It looks like you don't have a node on your dom.
 
what audio stuff with headphones
JDK install is a breeze in Ubuntu
 
@AwalGarg J. S. FIDDLE.
not that hard.
 
yeah whatever
I agree
 
@zigi I don't use ubuntu since 9.10...
 
5:10 PM
I like the Mac design and feel of the matter much better
I use linux mint
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 yeah, making that now.
 
Your boss tells you have a week to do something cool with javascript, what do you do?
 
with Cinnamon
 
@narthur157 Build an Oculus/Cardboard app
 
I use manjaro with openbox or xfce it depends on what I'm doing.
@narthur157 web, visual, node or just something cool?
 
@Sierisimo just anything
 
!!afk rollin' with the trollin'
 
Maybe something with D3.js, node and mongodb i suppose. If you're searching for the idea itself, it depends on what your boss wants to see
 
Yeah, a box for a cellphone makes your boss impressed
 
5:16 PM
I've been playing with it the last few days
really impressive tech.
and it's not that hard to write stuff for it
 
should I install fedora...
decisions decisions
 
immediate 'wow' factor
 
Impressing people isn't actually a requirement it's more just a 'do things for a week because I don't actually have anything for you to do right now'
 
ah, in that case you should optimize for learning new things/expanding your skillset.
 
D3 seems like it could be promising. I've been messing around with ThreeJS
 
5:18 PM
@m59 I SEE YOU
 
m59
hm?
You drove 12 hours to stand outside my window?
2
awwwwwww
 
man. Why is backbone so weird?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 jsfiddle.net/4Pfq3 <- @rlemon
 
@m59 You should drive 12 hours to hang out
 
document.getElementById("myText").value
 
5:20 PM
I have Cardboard
 
isn't a element
it is a string
 
m59
haha, man I would if I could.
You know that's true, as I knew how far away you are :)
 
so I can't insert a string with that method?
 
no, only elements
 
m59
I at least owe all of you guys a real life high five if ever possible.
 
5:21 PM
!!mdn insertBefore
 
^ read that.
 
@m59 I'm counting down the days until the company you work for [fails|becomes successful] so you can move out to SV
 
m59
LOL
thanks brah
If it's successful, I won't have to move to hang out :)
 
^ read that. @rlemon so this - jsfiddle.net/4Pfq3/1 you mean, right?
actually, my problem is that I am getting html from server response from xhr. so that is a string... I want to insert that... maybe I should change the server response to JSON and parse it...
 
5:27 PM
@m59 If you ever find yourself looking for a new job, let me know. Runnable will hire you.
 
m59
epic
$5/hour, my lowest offer. Don't try to low ball me.
 
@m59 SF minimum wage is ~$10 and will be going to $15 shortly.
 
m59
It was definitely a joke :) Surely you didn't think I was serious!!
I make $15 now, lol.
and the cost of living is way lower here.
 
@m59 Come on!
 
m59
@SomeGuy sup?
 
5:37 PM
You've been underpaid for so long!
 
m59
hahaha at least I'm paid now.
 
Go work for Runnable :p
 
m59
I work from home on my own schedule. That's way worth 30k/year for my first job. The most I ever made waiting tables was 18k/year.
Oh yeah, man, that's quite the offer. I agreed to stay at my current job for at least a year. I also have the chance to make millions if it's successful.
 
That's ~54k in SF
 
Does anyone have experience with the E4X XML parser?
 
5:40 PM
@WilliamThomasWaller Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
m59
Runnable would be awesome, though. I'll definitely keep that in mind in the future.
 
Are Firefox and chrome multi threaded ? Like separate process-es and engines for Css rendering, javascript processing , converting HTML to Dom object, handling user events? I feel its multi threaded because, we can load multiple pages at the same time, unless its like multiplexing :P
 
@shortCircuit probably
 
@BadgerGirl Hi
 
@shortCircuit Not sure if they're multi threaded, but each tab in chrome is a separate process so they each get their own thread
 
@copy How is it?
 
Pretty good
8/10
 
Are we moving to the USA?
 
Probably not
 
We need to buy soap for the laundry.
 
5:56 PM
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