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12:01 PM
:/ forgot my phone and my drive with the code i'm working on at home :/
 
Okey I'm bashing this religion thing proposal in comments at least
I still find my inability to downvote annoying
It should just take your combined rep.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
you guys flagged my proposal here but participating well in my proposal
 
this proposal is dumb as hell.
 
@ben I couldn't find it... I am looking at git.php.net
 
@Mr_Green you explicitly asked us to "follow" it.
 
12:03 PM
and you said WTF
 
@Mr_Green can you also ask Bartek to close his browser window? :P
 
The dinosaur question is the only acceptable one so far.
But then again there's fucking raptor jesus religion
And now what.
 
@BartekBanachewicz if you are interested.. add a good one
 
@Mr_Green There are no good questions to be possibly asked on this site.
I've told you that in my answer already
if you want to ask about stuff like miracles, ask on skeptics
urban myths and religious miracles are exactly the same.
 
That's subjective
 
12:06 PM
hey everyone sorry for coming in between
 
@IceBox Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
religion is made for fun, don't take it seriously. so was that proposal.
 
also subjective
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't get offended but you seemed to be not a religion follower
 
No I don't have a technical question
 
12:07 PM
@Mr_Green No I don't follow urban myths.
 
@IceBox Just ask
 
@CapricaSix K I am gonna read the rules first
3
 
I mean not from the aspect you mean, probably.
 
@BartekBanachewicz then you should not care about that proposal. same goes to awal as I know him :P
 
Art depicting religious events is pretty nice
@Mr_Green Why? That's like saying I should not care about say SO in spanish because I don't speak spanish.
SE is universal.
 
12:08 PM
obviously
 
You can't bias it towards any group.
 
you are not a believer of a topic then you should not be part of it
 
@Mr_Green bullshit.
 
Wait what? You're still discussing this?
 
or he should be part of it. outside perspective is important in any discussion
if you all agreed on it blindly, where is the science?
 
12:10 PM
@rlemon Spoiler: There isn't any.
 
@rlemon he don't believe religion then how can he say that proposal is useless?
 
I'm personally not invested in either case, but I see no wrong-doing by voicing his opinions
 
@Mr_Green I thought the topic was religion and science
 
> It is related to Science of Hindu religion. I hope you commented based on your knowledge on Hinduism. – Mr_Green 9 mins ago
see they have their own science
 
wut
 
12:11 PM
maybe I am not the one to step in... :(
 
@Mr_Green I don't have anything against, say, Judaism.SE. But you explicitly called your proposal "science and religion", so by every right I can call you out how nonsensical this is.
 
> js chat
> on topic
 
@AwalGarg Doesn't that include 90% of the conversations here?
 
good one!
 
@Kippie no.
 
12:12 PM
> The room title is JavaScript, which only implies we all have some interest in the language. That does not strictly limit the topic of conversation to JavaScript, and often it is not about JavaScript. Please do not inturrupt and complain about this, if you have a comment about the language toss it in and if someone is interested they will stop and help. ~ source
 
@AwalGarg Oh? What happened to all the funny you had earlier? Did it vanish when we started talking about a topic that you care about?
 
@BartekBanachewicz do you have any suggestions to edit my proposal or you just want me to delete the proposal?
 
@SecondRikudo ok ok I get it. I edited it right away, didn't I?
 
@Mr_Green you could also just take his comments with a grain of salt and see what other community members have to say
that is the power of the community
 
@rlemon right... I apologize.
 
12:14 PM
@Mr_Green I think that, ironically, the 0-scored dinosaurs and aliens questions make the most sense. However, the raptor jesus mention is a serious problem.
 
@AwalGarg What? You should appologize to me :(
 
i have no idea what's going on but i like to watch things burn
 
I mean you can literally answer everything to those questions, unless you limit them to some well-defined religions that have well-defined views on those things
 
@BartekBanachewicz where did I mention "raptor jesus"?
 
!!nudge me when this war ends, ok?
 
12:15 PM
@Mr_Green I have mentioned raptor jesus
 
please help me with that Function.call.call
 
there's like 2000 religions on this planet at least.
how do you propose dealing with all of them?
 
OMG
 
should each question have 2000 answers?
 
lol there are like 2000 religions in my native american heritage
 
12:15 PM
would someone be kind enough to me to ping me when this war ends?
 
there is only one true religion
 
we were/are such a fractured people
 
Doesn't that apply to SO too?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Pastafarianism is the one truth. All others are heretics and will boil in semi-salted water.
 
There's a shit ton of languages
 
12:16 PM
@Meredith CFSM?
 
@AwalGarg Ill give you a shout, I hope its done soon
 
@SecondRikudo ahaha semi-salted. Didn't know that one.
 
If religion were a person, he'd be a caring, yet judgemental person who ultimately concerns himself with only his own interests
 
@BenCraig thank you thank you. :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz you might also like dudeism
 
12:17 PM
Science is a logical reasonable person who tries to see all sides of the coin, and favors no one.
 
I'll spawn an official discussion thread for that problem there.
 
I was thinking there are just 5 or 6 (max) religions
 
lolwut
 
@Mr_Green hahaha
 
@Mr_Green Depends on your definition of religion
 
12:17 PM
XD
 
solution: every religion that you don't believe in is just a cult
 
Of major religions, there are more than 5 or 6 though, I'm fairly sure
 
@Meredith Christianity is a cult then?
 
Sure
 
@Mr_Green I believe and pray to the Sage of Six Paths, the First Rikudo and master of the universe.
Can you tell me that isn't a religion?
 
12:18 PM
the difference between the cult and religion is that in a cult the guru is still alive
 
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, shantoism, Buddhism, judaism and ?
any major one?
 
i think the difference is that cultists meet in basements
 
37 secs ago, by Second Rikudo
@Mr_Green I believe and pray to the Sage of Six Paths, the First Rikudo and master of the universe.
 
I feel like scientology is relatively large
 
@Mr_Green why would you limit the site to only the major religions?
 
12:19 PM
limit it to the ones that are most likely to be correct
 
because they are old
 
@Mr_Green hahah lmao
 
others are newly founded
 
@all : if you don't have work in your office, then go home and take rest .
 
12:20 PM
and you wanted to lecture me on religions?
 
@Mr_Green Voodoo, Shinto, Sikhism, Caodism, Jainism, Cheondoism
 
@Mr_Green That doesn't make them any less "religion"s
 
How is that atheists know way more about religion than believers?
 
@Neil Satanism :)
 
Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values. While religion is hard to define, one standard model of religion, used in religious studies courses, was proposed by Clifford Geertz, who simply called it a "cultural system". A critique of Geertz's model by Talal Asad categorized religion as "an anthropological category". Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the...
have fun scrolling.
 
@SecondRikudo How would you classify satanism? It's technically christianity, isn't it?
 
Then I think I should limit my proposal to some extent
 
no satanism isn't christianity
 
I will think about this
 
it's atheism
they dont actually believe in satan
 
12:21 PM
@Mr_Green then it will be prejudiced towards the ones that you exclude
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because most believers never bother taking the time to properly investigate what makes those lunatics talk to an imaginary friend.
 
@Meredith Satanism is not atheism
 
@Meredith Ask a satanist if he's an athiest.
 
@BartekBanachewicz to be frank, I don't care :)
 
find one satanist who will tell you that god is real
 
12:22 PM
so if there is a 'age limit' on religion what is 'old'?
 
@Mr_Green right. And that's why you shouldn't, and won't start this website.
 
are Mormons going to be included?
 
I mean they are not ancient as compared to Hinduism, Christianity and Islam
 
@Meredith no it's not.
 
If believing in Satan and God is Christianity, Satanists are christians (in the loose sense of the word)
 
12:22 PM
@Meredith every satanist believes that god is real
 
have you ever talked to a satanist
 
@Mr_Green You know? My father always told me, when you figure out you're in a hole, stop digging.
 
just like every christian believes that satan is real
 
i know my satanic shit
 
without satan there's no god and vice versa :v
 
12:23 PM
@SecondRikudo That's a good one
 
@Meredith Then "satanism" isn't the same thing I'm thinking of
 
what would that satan oppose.
 
I believe Mohammed was real. That doesn't make me a Muslim.
 
that must be some weird rip-off I don't know
Some sort of god-of-destruction.
 
the ~25 million mormons and JW's are going to be upset about this....
 
12:23 PM
@SecondRikudo ? :)
 
But by definition @Meredith satan exists in context of christianity.
 
@BartekBanachewicz In Christianity, Satan (or Lucifer) was actually an Angel, he isn't a coutnerforce to God.
 
WHY DO SATANISTS WORSHIP THE DEVIL? We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.
2
 
@SecondRikudo he becomes one way before the old testament really starts
@Meredith meh.
 
@SecondRikudo He was an angel, now he is the archnemesis
 
12:24 PM
@KendallFrey He fought on equal grounds with Michael haven't he?
 
[not related] most ancient religion still alive is Hinduism. no offense to others it just a fact
 
He isn't "as strong" as God.
 
LaVeyan Satanism (also known as Atheistic Satanism or Modern Satanism), referred to simply as Satanism among adherents, is a religious philosophy founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey and codified in The Satanic Bible in 1969. Its core beliefs and philosophies are based on individualism, epicureanism, secularism, egoism, and self-deification, and propagates a worldview of naturalism, Social Darwinism, and Lex Talionis. Additionally, Satanism involves the practice of magic, which encompasses two distinct forms; greater and lesser magic. Greater magic is a form of ritual practice and is meant as a self...
Theistic Satanism or Spiritual Satanism is the primary belief in the existence of deities or supernatural forces. Other characteristics of Theistic Satanism may include a belief in magic, which is manipulated through ritual. Unlike LaVeyan Satanism founded by Anton LaVey in the 1960s, theistic Satanism is theistic as opposed to atheistic, believing that Satan (Hebrew: הַשָׂטָן ha-Satan, ‘the accuser’) is a real being rather than an archetype. The history of theistic Satanism, and assessments of its existence and prevalence in history, is obscured by it having been grounds for execution at some...
there.
 
@SecondRikudo Something like that
 
@Mr_Green an idea being old doesn't make it any more true. we thought the earth was flat at one point.. and we believed that for a very long time.
 
12:25 PM
@Mr_Green I'm not sure about that
 
@dystroy did you try Hetzner Rescue System btw? It seems pretty promising, atleast you would get more control and might figure out what exactly the problem could be... (trying to help cus I like the miaou thing, hope you get it live again soon, and I beat you in tribo :P)
 
@Meredith okey, so there are at least two satanisms
 
!!afk
 
@Mr_Green bullshit
 
That's a fair compromise
 
12:25 PM
Self defication, is that like pooping your pants? I don't get it
 
But the first google result for satanism is the atheist one
 
@BartekBanachewicz yep hard to believe but true
 
So take that
 
@Meredith granted
 
@Mr_Green Don't all religions believe they are the original?
 
12:26 PM
@Mr_Green dude, you're just fucking wrong.
 
@Mr_Green And what is your proof?
 
I dunno how else can I answer to that.
 
@KendallFrey Well they would believe the others are false, so sort of
 
@SomeGuy read it in a book #shotsfired
 
The world's oldest religion still being practiced today is Hinduism (know to adherents as 'Sanatan Dharma', Eternal Order) but, in what is considered 'the west', the first records of religious practice come from Egypt around 4000 BCE.
 
12:26 PM
The first religions revolved around animalisms and the sun.
 
Angkor Wat (Khmer: អង្គរវត្ត) was first a Hindu, then subsequently a Buddhist, temple complex in Cambodia and the largest religious monument in the world. The temple was built by the Khmer King Suryavarman II in the early 12th century in Yaśodharapura (Khmer: យសោធរបុរៈ, present-day Angkor), the capital of the Khmer Empire, as his state temple and eventual mausoleum. Breaking from the Shaiva tradition of previous kings, Angkor Wat was instead dedicated to Vishnu. As the best-preserved temple at the site, it is the only one to have remained a significant religious center since its foundation. The...
 
No, it seems like he's correct, at least according to Google
 
Christianity and Islam both go back to Abraham and beyond.
 
The oldest surviving religion that is
@KendallFrey Not really...
 
animalism survived to this day
there are still fucking furries around mind you
 
12:27 PM
I still worship Ra
3
 
@KendallFrey Islam is a pretty young religion
 
Christianity dates back to Jesus, that's when people starting following it.
Islam dates back to Muhammad, that's when people started following it.
 
Also yeah there's still quite a lot of Ra worshippers around
 
I worship google images.
 
Not as much as the crucified guy followers granted
but still.
 
12:28 PM
"When a religion starts" isn't when it says it starts, it's when people actually start believing in it
 
And l'Etre Suprême ? No love ?
 
Yeah, but both religions believe in the God of Abraham.
 
@Meredith Then that is different than the "Satanism" i'm thinking of
 
By that notion my just made up religion of the Sage of Six Paths dates all of you because he lived 10,000 years ago and battled the Ten Tailed God
 
@KendallFrey because they spur from the very same root that predates them both
 
which, when you get to it, is still fucking furries and the god of the sun
 
being a furry is one of the most ancient art forms
 
@SecondRikudo sn't that based on japanese mythology
 
12:30 PM
@Mr_Green the oldest things associated with religions might as well be 15,000 yo
 
Neil Degrasse Tyson is my god
 
@C5H8NNaO4 It's based on Naruto, which is an anime, which is partially based on Japanese mythology.
 
@SecondRikudo I'm relatively sure that's some real mythology
ah
 
@SomeGuy this one's pretty good too -> youtube.com/watch?v=LGCf4pc99uA
 
@Cereal Sounds too detailed to be made up on the spot, isn't it? :P
 
12:30 PM
thanks @AwalGarg. Nice reasoning.
 
Another one I can put on repeat for a long time?
 
@BartekBanachewicz In fact it's hard. Many things predating writing are explained as "cults" or "religions" but it might just be we don't understand them
 
@BartekBanachewicz at that time there were no other major religions other than Hinduism
 
King of John Payne has 21 plays so far :D
 
@Mr_Green ok. Who gives a shit?
 
12:31 PM
Maya religion
 
Zigi is my god
All hail
 
@Mr_Green Doesn't make it more true than what I've created in my garage yesterday
 
@SecondRikudo Yeah :) I read the manga and watched the anime quite far a while ago. I just had in mind the tailed beasts legend is based on real mythology. There's even a stackexchange question anime.stackexchange.com/questions/748/…
 
@rlemon not present. right?
 
still followed today.
 
12:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know
@rlemon I see
 
Pre-Columbia
I don't see anything you can find to top that
 
@C5H8NNaO4 Take a closer look on who asked said question.
 
if we're talking age
 
@GNi33 I like it!
 
Pre-columbia doesn't really mean more ancient than Christianism...
 
12:32 PM
so yeah from historical standpoint it might be interesting
 
@BartekBanachewicz very good..
 
the SE proposal is still nonsensical
 
@SecondRikudo And i just thought. Didn't i just see this user image
 
@BartekBanachewicz nope
 
do those proposals die off by themselves?
 
12:33 PM
@SomeGuy does the spotify - webplayer shows these kind of numbers somewhere?
 
@C5H8NNaO4 =P
 
I'm pretty sure I'm over 21 now :D
 
@Mr_Green it's not gonna pass hth
 
@BartekBanachewicz yep
 
@SecondRikudo Cool thing :)
 
12:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Not much passes to be fair
 
@GNi33 No idea. We don't get Spotify in India
I use Google Music
 
@Cereal yep
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't care tbh
 
@SomeGuy We have neither in Israel -_-
 
@dystroy fair enough.
 
12:34 PM
@SecondRikudo We don't really have Google Music either, AFAIK
 
@Mr_Green then why do you even waste Area 51 bytes for posting that proposal
 
I use rdio for music
 
But if you use an American credit card, they let you use it
So I use my sister's card
 
@BartekBanachewicz to gather the users who cares
 
My only gripe is music comes and goes, so I'll just lose the ability to listen to a song if they lose the rights to use it
 
12:35 PM
@Mr_Green nobody cares.
 
@BartekBanachewicz prove it
 
Clearly he does or he wouldnt have made the proposal in the first place
 
@Mr_Green I'll just leave that proposal to die.
 
I dont even know what he proposed
 
1 min ago, by Mr_Green
@BartekBanachewicz I don't care tbh
 
12:35 PM
!!whocares ??
 
@BartekBanachewicz ^
 
I just don't like people slapping "science" on things they have no idea about
or on pseudoscience
or on religion
as if magically spelling "science" made you right
 
I just believe I eventually die
 
12:37 PM
@C5H8NNaO4 not me, the joys of being a cylon
 
Scien... tology
 
ok bye leaving now.. @BartekBanachewicz if you care please edit the proposal with good description or say "who cares?" and leave it
 
geh I broke my rule to not participate in this rooms arguments/debates
 
I saw a religion debate, and stayed far away, lol
 
you can't debate religion :|
 
12:38 PM
...
 
The phrase not even wrong describes any argument that purports to be scientific but fails at some fundamental level, usually in that it contains a terminal logical fallacy or it cannot be falsified by experiment (i.e. tested with the possibility of being rejected), or cannot be used to make predictions about the natural world. The phrase is generally attributed to theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, who was known for his colorful objections to incorrect or sloppy thinking. Rudolf Peierls documents an instance in which "a friend showed Pauli the paper of a young physicist which he suspected was...
 
Well, you all just found a way, lol
I'm leaving... let me know when you calm your tits...
 
let's debate programming instead
 
Of course you can debate religion.
Emacs sucks.
Haskell sucks.
 
Php
 
12:39 PM
C is an awesome programming language.
 
\o/
 
PHP is reasonable.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that was a bad example
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum blasphemy!
 
with statements are well thought out.
 
12:39 PM
HAIL C o/
 
html is tedious to write
 
There - religious argument.
 
Guys I actually like php
am I a bad person
 
^ LYNCH HIM
 
12:40 PM
I program in html and css guys
 
how do you program in html?
 
super carefully
 
Isn't css almost turing complete? I feel like I read that somewhere
 
you mean those state machines of radiobuttons in CSS?
 
@NickDugger: program in html :O
 
12:40 PM
@Cereal it is turing complete
 
if( $you->like('PHP') ) {
  goto hell;
}


hell:
die()
php makes telling someone off so much easier than other languages tho
 
needs more newlines in between
 
you have to give it credit where credit is due
 
@rlemon so as a Cylon you live an eternal life? That's awesome, i would love to see the technology used in a few hundred years
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was giving you the imagery of hell being below you
I thought someone would get it :(
 
12:42 PM
@rlemon that was precisely to what I was referring.
 
@C5H8NNaO4 Spoiler: Gabe was the first to convert - now the world is basically one giant game of TF2
 
@AwalGarg done first debate, started new one
 
Cylons cannot be created
 
whats a cylon?
 
dynamic typing sucks
 
12:43 PM
me
 
@CapricaSix we all know you are
BTW guys
 
Cylons are the robot things in Caprica, or whatnot. Humans originally created them, then they revolted, or something... I never actually saw the show
 
did you think about changing Caprica's av to Adjutant?
 
Batlestart Galactica -- that's the title I was looking for
 
12:44 PM
but then who will the random indian guys hit on ???
 
@rlemon right
 
you'd be surprised how many pings / room invites / emails she gets
 
lolololol
 
implying indian guys won't hit on robots
4
 
@rlemon emails?
 
12:46 PM
user image
4
 
@Kippie Hey.
 
ahaahahaa
 
@rlemon lolwut?
 
yea man. Caprica gets hit on all the time
at least once a week I'll open her browser and see an invite to a random private room
 
@BartekBanachewicz actually it's not.
The proof in SO is incorrect.
I actually followed it, it shows that if the user "pumps" css then it is turing complete.
@rlemon is that to Caprica?
@rlemon haha awesome.
 
12:48 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum yup
because sochatbot@gmail.com isn't indicative of anything...... ;)
 
@rlemon How did he even get her email? Where is it published?
 
I'm pretty sure SO used to publish them
 
That's not just a joke from that guy?
 
@rlemon Not on sep '13 they haven't
 
@C5H8NNaO4 looking at his name? not at all.
 
12:50 PM
Logic being behind the creation of a superior AI is that if you could do that, then the AI could create an even better AI, and there is no upper bound
So by creating a superior AI, you'd essentially be creating god
 
no, you are just creating something outside our ability to grasp
 
Therefore, the theory is that you can only create an intelligence at your level, but not higher
 
@BartekBanachewicz Good point
 
we account too much we don't understand to supernatural.... until we understand it. that is how history works.
 
@rlemon You regularly check that e-mail? I mean, if it's not published and not used for anything, why would you expect mail to arrive?
 
12:51 PM
I can't remember why I was in it
 
@Kippie now you know why
 
but I saw emails from people
so every few months I check it now
 
@Kippie I bet he answers them too
 
Why wouldn't he? Even rlemon is entitled to love.
 
12:52 PM
it was a while since I've listened to Minchin
he's really brilliant
 
@Kippie Who isn't ?
 
@C5H8NNaO4 beep beep beep... beep... beep... MASSIVE CORN CLOG IN PORT SEVEN!!!
 
especially considering his piano play is just weird shit
 
@rlemon TMI?
 
if you don't get the reference then you make me sad
and I don't think we can be friends.
 
12:53 PM
Even C6 is made of corn?
 
why am i not be guided with .call
 
@rlemon Futurama isn't it?
 
Why would you?
 
if port seven is my butt, then yes
 
Yeah, I don't really watch it.
 
12:54 PM
@SecondRikudo Sounds about right. I think it's the moon episode?
 
> I Dated a Robot
it was a excellent episode
 
@SecondRikudo Yeah it'S futurama
 
why would i not? i want to know badly, and no one, even in my office is saying.. one of them asked me, who asked me to read it, when i said, "myself", she just said "go f..ind yourself"
i wonder if she was in the c++ room
 
@blackbee ... What?
 
@rlemon I laughed hard at the infinite loop part
lol
 
12:57 PM
the jsfiddle link i gave.. jsfiddle.net/aghosh/f6936 @SecondRikudo
 
hehe yea
good stuff
!!afk need to go home and get all the shit I forgot
 
@blackbee Function.call()?
 

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