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12:00 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum dejavu
:P
 
To be fair, weekend JS room is the worst JS room, most of the regs are afk (although we have a nice bunch here with kittens copy and zirak and adeneo is kind of a reg lately).
 
!!slidepoop
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
Mar 13 '13 at 1:40, by rlemon
(Random Fact, when rlemon was 13 he pooped on a slide. he isn't proud of it, but he felt it was time to confess. I'm sorry slide.)
 
done
 
Yay, thanks
matrix reference
 
12:02 AM
wait what?
 
!!mute DemCodeLines 1h
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
@BenjaminGruenbaum Muted user 1079641 for 1h
 
!!silopoop
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
yesterday, by Jhawins
Oh man, this one time I pooped from the top of a 120ft silo into a bunch of water at the bottom. One of my favorite memories from Canada.
 
yea she is running twice.
!!are you alive?
 
@rlemon Nuh-uh
 
:)
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 are you going to take it?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No chance of raise here
@BenjaminGruenbaum No formal offer yet
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Why?
 
12:07 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Barring a miracle, this company won't exist in 2 months.
 
Sounds like a good time to jump ship
 
yeeeeep.
It does strengthen my position during an acquihire
 
It does, but you might want to jump ship before
 
!!yo
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: so, no
 
12:13 AM
cool
 
I'd prefer the acquihire, as it's a respectable way to go out around here. Nice little gold star.
In any case, I have a strong position - I'm not worried.
> Plan on working ~100+ hours a week during sprints
 
(that was unrelated to the position I was discussing)
@BenjaminGruenbaum Acquihire means that a big company liked you enough to buy the company - not just a regular hire. Thus, your value goes up externally (FB liked me enough to buy the company, therefore I'm valuable) and internally (He must be good, we bought the company)
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 yeah, I know the term :P
Thanks though.
 
12:19 AM
The problem is the company has to have reserves in order for that to happen in favorable terms.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Just explaining why I think it's more valuable than just jumping ship.
 
I get that
Just got nothing smart to say about it :D I guess you have to be there to feel the company's direction.
 
(remember, one of the founders of this company was one of the first 100 at FB)
Anyway, plenty of options. Good stuff. I can't thank you enough for convincing me to interview more.
The look on the recruiter's face when I told him I turned down $130k - priceless.
!!afk startup happy hour
 
@user2176936 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Please go to the reopen queue. I'm leave close + downvoting them (almost) all.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Don't spam.
 
dont spam you little shit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Posting links to answers is considered rep-whoring.
 
right....
who're you again :D?
 
12:48 AM
who're
that's clever
also how do you even get 95 people to look at your answer
 
Reddit
 
It's a dumb answer, I'm surprised it got so many upvotes
 
Whorewhorewhore.
 
It was on JavaScript Weekly for some reason.
@bjb568 lol, says the guy who keeps answering questions with trivial answers in order to get upvotes at the expense of quality :D
hahaha
 
i answer a question if i know the answer and im also not super lazy at the time
 
12:50 AM
Code 1 to code 2 is an oversimplification. Code 2 to code 3 seems irrelevant. -1. — bjb568 27 secs ago
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I like helping beginners who have decent quality questions. Hooray!
 
11 people disagree.
 
your newest one is just as bad haha, stackoverflow.com/questions/23945371/… has 4 upvotes for an incorrect edit for a duplicate :D
 
are my answers stupid
criticize the shit out of me
 
12:52 AM
@Meredith actually they look pretty decent
 
thanks i try really hard to please big brother
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Looked fine when I first saw it, thot it would be rude the delete my answer. I have before for dups when my answer added nothing of value, but this answer is helpful to more than the OP.
 
@bjb568 only this one got +4 and you're a repwhore ^^
 
What am I supposed to do? It's accepted.
 
Nothing, it's ok that you're a repwhore - don't fight it :D
Neal is a repwhore too, you can be friends
 
12:55 AM
the great thing about being a rep whore is that you have a lot of rep
 
See @bjb568 your life style choice has merits!
 
So are you justifying your behavior (that had a consensus on meta for being whorey) with mine (that doesn't have a consensus and the system blocks me out of undoing)?
 
What behavior?
 
Rep-whoring?
11 mins ago, by bjb568
@BenjaminGruenbaum Don't spam.
 
You've been repwhoring and abusing the system for a while, you've been downvoting answers and questions and leaving rude comments.
 
12:56 AM
Please provide examples.
 
sometimes i leave sassy comments
 
How the heck would me posting that answer here be a 'rep whore' when I'm capped?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Vote whore? Whatever.
 
@bjb568 or... bear with me, I've been participating in this room for over a year and I'm sharing something funny with friends without expecting them to vote for it?
@bjb568 wat?
 
sometimes i feel like youre trying to subjugate us as your rep gimps
 
12:58 AM
Not to mention shit that's just stupid meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253227/…
@Meredith lol, "rep gimps" I have to remember that one.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Somehow I can't?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Just a user who came to mind…
 
@bjb568 with regard to what?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hover over the message. Notice the arrow.
 
@bjb568 well, obviously a new user question/answer dumping is completely different from a regular... context.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It is a problem, but just less of one than I thought.
 
1:00 AM
You don't understand the system very well.. I guess it's just funny to hear criticism of 'repwhoring' from you if anyone.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum What? Posting an irrelevant answer is posting an irrelevant answer.
 
Especially given the amount of CW answers I give, the fact that answer was already linked here before, the fact posting it had no rep effect etc.
Not to mention, the comment and downvote you gave it, which I don't get but that's just you being immature, again... so meh, nothing new.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's disruptive to the room. Isn't that the problem?
 
@bjb568 it's relevant because it's mine, and I discussed it with other people in the room.
 
@bjb568 It's not, you're just randomly making a drama
 
1:02 AM
Again.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Obviously I can't downvote Your Greatness' answer. That would just be unheard of.
 
@bjb568 you can downvote whatever you feel like, it's just one more stupid dramatic thing I've seen you do...
 
@copy So what about the drama after I last posted my own answer? Is this not the exact same problem?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Dramatic? It's a low quality answer.
 
@bjb568 please, by all means, write a better one.
 
@bjb568 I don't remember
 
1:03 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not relevant to the current discussion, not anything about old discussion.
 
I don't think it's great, in fact the reason I posted it is because I was making fun at how it got popular in the first place... It was a poke at votes are distributed in Stack Overflow.
@bjb568 right, the regulars in this room are my friends, I was discussing it with them.
 
am i your friend
 
Random people are welcome to join the discussion, this is a public chat, but please do your best not to tell me what is, or is not appropriate to post about.
 
Apr 25 at 5:13, by bjb568
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A: Select area/rectangle in javascript

bjb568Seems simple enough… Create a div that's initially hidden: <div id="div" hidden></div> Style it: #div { border: 1px dotted #000; position: absolute; } And the JS: var div = document.getElementById('div'), x1 = 0, y1 = 0, x2 = 0, y2 = 0; function reCalc() { //This will restyle the ...

 
!!stat bjb568
 
1:05 AM
@Qantas94Heavy bjb568 (http://stackoverflow.com/users/2888561/bjb568) has 3758 reputation, earned -2 rep today, asked 15 questions, gave 196 answers, for a q:a ratio of 15:196.
avg. rep/post: 17.81. Badges: 4g 13s 32b
 
@bjb568 reading that, it looks like you posted that and Loktar explained the situation pretty nicely to you.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No, there were people in this room doing things, when a random answer was posted. Who give a crap it was posted/discussed before? There's more people on the planet than you and your friends.
 
Please, this is ridiculous. Everyone.
 
Yikes.
 
Oh good one of these conversations....
 
1:06 AM
Oh, hey, Qantas just said it
 
This will undoubtedly be productive...
 
@bjb568 right, and those people are always welcome to open their own chat room and have their own community and discuss things there :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum And now I'm explaining it to you.
 
@false aw common :D
@false while you're here, why did you change nicks?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No, in this chat room we go by SO chat rules and Room 17 rules.
 
1:07 AM
http://t.co/csCPgy3nma
3
 
no gifs right?
Or is that just C++ room?
 
@bjb568 Oh, well, you should just have cv'd instead of posting though
 
I can always amend the rules
 
One of the best pieces of advice given to me at a point was to that I don't have to take every invitation I get to an argument. I'm just going to leave this argument here @bjb568
 
@copy Too broad? Well, maybe, but I could answer it.
 
1:08 AM
Aren't the rules basically: "Whatever goes, just don't piss people off"
 
@rlemon Please do.
 
sometimes i go out of my way to argue
when im bored
 
I don't like you and I don't like your abusive behavior time after time, I only said it because you came at me now. But then again I also have better things to do.
@false worth it
 
so who is the problem right now?
 
1:09 AM
I've been watching netflix
 
@bjb568 Not interesting for other people
 
@copy Not a close reason.
 
@false they're all about the naming rules, but I couldn't find a dupe that I was satisfied about.
 
I think if you're going to mark something as a duplicate, the OP would've had to been able to find the previous question
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what is going on in here?
 
1:10 AM
@bjb568 I don't know the SO rules, but I think it's one of the existential paradigms that SO is built on
 
In the question Benjamin answered, the guy had no idea what function hoisting was
 
@Meredith Uh, no.
That’s the point of the duplicate system.
 
That is my opinion dont tell me its wrong
 
Helping the user find what they’re looking for without fragmenting information
 
@Meredith It is
 
1:11 AM
@rlemon I posted an answer I recently discussed and bjb came at me out of nowhere, so I let him know what I think of him. Don't worry about it.
 
@Meredith My opinion is that you’re wrong
 
Thanks that's better
Why do you believe that?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ohh I worry about it. you are my beautiful flower. I need to care an nurture for you ;)
hashtag jokes
 
@Meredith you're talking to someone who was elected by the entire site's community to represent the community opinion. So, although he's not objectively right/wrong, he does represent the general consensus usually.
 
@copy Downvote != close
 
1:12 AM
Ok but that doesn't mean he shouldn't provide a reason
 
@Meredith Why don’t I think that questions should only be closed as duplicates if their owner could have found the duplicate?
 
@false also, he just downvoted it because I posted it here, but seriously - don't bother about it.
 
Why you believe something should be closed as a duplicate when the owner would have had no chance of finding the other question
 
@Meredith I think that’s the point of the duplicate system, as outlined above. We help the asker find what they couldn’t.
 
1:13 AM
because that is how the system is designed to work
 
@Meredith that's the reason it's closed as a duplicate and not deleted. To create those search terms
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum So it's to help make google associate that issue with function hoisting
That makes sense
 
So that the next guy can find the answer based on the last guy's dupe and not just the term.
 
To be clear: closing isn’t a punishment of any kind. (Especially not when it’s as a duplicate.) It serves a constructive purpose.
 
@Meredith exactly! :)
 
1:14 AM
 
im dyslexic
 
...
 
Also @bjb568 stuff like that if you're actually interested in criticism.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Question is of low quality, tho understandable and beneficial to the community -> answer. Question is of low quality, tho understandable and not beneficial to the community -> VTC and downvote all answers.
 
@bjb568 Are you the same person who just answered that bad question earlier
 
1:16 AM
So non-answers are good, but people creating good answers to bad questions is horrible?
Clap clap clap. I actually like your answering style. — bjb568 29 mins ago
 
@bjb568 I meant the comments that are deletec, check the chat.
 
@false Which one?
 
guys. it's handled. I have a laser pointer. we'll keep him busy for hours.
 
@Qantas94Heavy That seemed like a legit answer.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wut?
 
1:19 AM
@false thanks for that.
 
273
A: Question quality is dropping on Stack Overflow

George CumminsThe question quality will continue to decline as long as we continue to reward the bad questions with answers. I'm willing to repeat an unpopular view here: We need to stop rewarding answers to bad questions if we want to stop bad questions. Many bad questions on this site get good or mediocre ...

 
I especially love the last comment, didn't read that one before.
 
@bjb568 doesn't that basically say "this code isn't the problem. can't be answered, not a real question"?
I'd be interested to see it from another point of view.
 
@bjb568 I don’t think anyone’s arguing that, but I’ll let @BenjaminGruenbaum explain if he wants, since it is your conversation.
 
@bjb568 I agree with that standpoint (of the answer) (I even say that here) - you were being rude, and inconsiderate, again :/
 
1:21 AM
@Qantas94Heavy "We need to stop rewarding answers to bad questions if we want to stop bad questions." Bad = not beneficial to community. Answers that only help the OP should be downvoted.
 
The problem was not with close voting the question, the fact you don't get that is mind boggling :/
 
@bjb568 This one that you linked to above (not recent, though)
 
but.. you are of course entitled to your opinion. I don't have to like you in particular, and you're welcome to this chat for as long as you want as long as you don't abuse it. I just don't appreciate you telling me how to use it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm sorry, but we are not here to serve the OP.
 
@bjb568 the fact you don't know the difference between not serving op, and not being rude to OP and threatening a person who attempted to help them is very saddening to me.
 
1:24 AM
> Go Stackoverflow!
best comment ever
 
> best comment every
best message ever
 
2.9 mini
 
but honestly, I don't want this to be about you, like I said - that was just one out of many examples of you being a total dick to someone for no good reason. The main point here is please don't tell me how to use the chat.
 
leave that to(o?) me
 
1:26 AM
sorry i'm drunk.
 
@false should've changed your name to emptystring instead :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Threatening?
 
typeof(NaN)==='number'
best name ^
 
@bjb568 minitech has posted the comments, you can read.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Don't tell Your Greatness how to use chat?
 
1:28 AM
@bjb568 don't tell anyone how to use chat.
 
@bjb568 Stahp
 
HAMMAHTIME!
 
@rlemon if you ever debugged old IE, it has this awesome error where it tells you "null is not null"
Where it means null is not "null" but the error is in fact null is not null which is awesome :D
Sometimes it even says null is null which is funnier.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wait, when is that an error?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Remind me about the room rules and the bot welcome messages…
 
1:28 AM
@false oh boy would I like to know :D
 
@false I'm sorry, his ego is just so outrageous.
 
@bjb568 as the person who wrote the room rules, @BenjaminGruenbaum trumps you
sorry mate
 
Let's play a fun game.
 
@bjb568 I think that’s closer to the definition of ad hominem!
 
@rlemon may I please write whatever I want in the room rules?
 
1:29 AM
yes
i'll make you contributor
 
So, let’s please stop insulting each other, resolve your issues, and voilà
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum copy.sh/iw
 
Life can continue (fun as this is)
 
@rlemon The fact that he wrote it in the first place overrides "don't tell anyone how to use chat." tho.
 
1:30 AM
@copy please, not another sleepless nights.
 
@false Which he is using on me, yes.
 
@bjb568 right, please, don't tell anyone how to use the chat.
 
community run chat <- however true.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You just did.
 
Can we all stop being clever for a bit, too
 
1:31 AM
Wait, I can totally mute him. That's a life hack. That'd totally stop the argument.
Why don't I just do that and we can discuss "null is not null"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum :( I thought you'd call me out on fun though
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum whats your gh handle?
 
!!mute bjb568 30m
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Muted user 2888561 for 30m
 
@rlemon benjamingr
@false ever had to work on IE8?
 
1:32 AM
done
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes!
 
Ever had to work on eval'd scripts in IE8?
 
No! This sounds bad already!
 
We use this awesome tool called Crossrider, which lets you write BHOs for IE (extensions :/)
It saves scripts to the registry (god why) and it used to be a real mess before I refactored it to use promises with long stack traces.
 
Keep calling them BHOs. My word recognition for BHO is hardwired to the closest “uninstall” button
 
1:33 AM
Every now and then, you get a syntax error, good luck finding the line number :D
So, when you have something that expects null, but you pass it "null" instead because someone did not serialize, it'll spit an awesome null is not null error.
Oh, also I got a "object is not an object" once.
 
But what browser built-in expects null?
 
Some of the most valuable debugging experience I have is from debugging IE :D
@false crossrider's host objects, sometimes.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's unfair imho.
 
@Jefffrey of course it is.
 
@Jefffrey A little bit, yes.
I’d recommend using the canonical “ignore” feature, @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
1:35 AM
Oh yeah, I can totally just ignore him, that works
!!unmute bjb568
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Unmuted user 2888561
 
y'all ready for this? BAM
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Thanks =)
@DemCodeLines BAM! What is it?
 
Sure, I really just wanted that discussion to stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
1:36 AM
hi
 
@user3470815 hi
 
@false how's school and stuff?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Um! What a question! =D
It’s going well, I think.
 
@rlemon lol @ paste fail.
 
;)
 
1:37 AM
@false "Javascript runtime error: Function expected"
 
What is it?
 
!!undo
....
 
String.prototype.repeat = function(num) { //Random function of the day
    return new Array(++num).join(this);
};
 
@user3470815 wait, how can you speak here with 17 rep :D?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I had a Social Studies test today. In French.
 
1:38 AM
@bjb568 wanna laugh? Ive been 3 days fighting a js php code, and the fail was something unexpected on line 8xx i misspelled a var property by 1 letter
?
 
Anyone familiar with Canada’s government? It is truly fascinating
 
@user3470815 use ternjs and jshint
 
@user3470815 Heh. I've done that too.
 
:) @false
 
@false wait what?
 
1:39 AM
tell me more
 
@user3470815 A JS PHP?
 
... why the binning?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh, sorry. French immersion. It’s not a French Language class.
 
@Jefffrey We like bins. (is binning a word?)
 
@false still better than Israel :D
 
1:40 AM
rlemon, Ontario, Canada.
10k 4 33 74
 
Oh you're canadian
 
;)
 
@false an html js that called php i tought it was obvious
 
1 message moved to Trash can
 
@Benjamin someone must a downrep me
 
1:40 AM
@false is also Canadian
he's just ashamed of it for some reason
 
@rlemon Whaaa?
I’m proud to say that I live in the absolute best climate of Canada
 
;)
I have family there. I visit often
 
In Finland, they have to learn Swedish and they hate it :D
 
I'm on the fence
Ontario is pretty nice
 
I’d like to learn Japanese
 
1:42 AM
I live in florida
 
O'Canada...
 
@false it's actually quite a popular choice here
 
@rlemon Terre de nos aieux…
 
I've found muting uh… whatsisname makes the chat experience much better. A bit weird when there are replies to him.
 
1:44 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I’m not surprised; Japanese is good at a lot of things.
Being concise… testing encodings…
 
@Benjamin now i cant write in other rooms
 
@false True patriot love in all thy sons command.
 
> ERROR: Adobe Flash Player 9/10 or higher needed
That’s not that interesting
@rlemon And the home of the brave!
 
;)
WOOOOOO!!! BEER!!! POLAR BEARS!!! FUCK YEA CANADA!!!!
2
 
@user3470815 here, I found an answer worth upvoting. Try now
 
1:46 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh, wait, is that Chapel Explorer 3D?
That was fun
 
@Benjamin big thx
 
One problem's solution led to another problem.
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Q: Function expected error in an addEventListener block of code

DemCodeLinesI am developing a Windows Phone app and using HTML/JS to build it. So there is a WinJS reference in my code. The following is my code: WinJS.UI.Pages.define("...", { ready: function (element, options) { var item = element.querySelector("#item").winControl; item.addEventListe...

 
@DemCodeLines you're developing with a Microsoft stack for the first time eh?
I can tell because of those questions.
It's not a jab at your coding skills, but at where you seek help.
This chat, has maybe 3 people who have experience with that, jabbr, msdn forums and twitter are far more useful.
Ping wp development crews, instant answers.
 
What’re you building, by the way, @DemCodeLines?
 
1:55 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum It is :) Trying my hands at Windows/WP apps. The next time I develop, it will be much easier because of the lessons I learn in this, but since it's the first time, way too many questions.
I don't get it though
 
@DemCodeLines does it feel very unnatural?
 
All functions are written properly, jshint didn't help
@user3470815 First time mobile development. So it would have been worse with iOS and Android, since I don't know anything about those platforms.
I know something about MS Platforms
 
I don’t know how good the debugger is (or even if you’re using it properly), but throw a bunch of console.logs in and see what happens
 
It's Visual Studio 2013 (imo, one of the best out there). I had a ton of console.logs, but somehow all of them printed (I had one after every line with number count) and the error also showed up
 
1:59 AM
@DemCodeLines Could you at least post the full stacktrace, then, please?
 

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