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7:00 PM
IIRC, there's no such thing as a function-like
from reading the spec
!!javascript call operator
 
@JanDvorak That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
 
@deep needs help with his colour schemes. Please check out his site, You can change themes within. Ping him and let him know if you like ANY of the themes or none of them. Disclaimer: some of the colour schemes are very out there, you may want to sit down ;)
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@JanDvorak That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
 
user1596138
About oKoK, don't worry bout it.
jQuery: It only simplifies things for the new people. They learn how to use it and not pure JS. Then they don't understand how to build things for themselves because they've only ever learned to use jQuery.
 
dear god, my eyes!
 
7:01 PM
@Jhawinsss, your decent at js, if you used it, would people still hate you?
 
user1596138
@deep I'm only decent at it like you said. If I used it and it made sense, nobody would care. But if I just used it for a shortcut everyone would say "That's bad, and you should feel bad."
 
like @Shmiddty always does?
 
user1596138
It's useful for some things, like animations. But when kids just use it as a shortcut or just for the $(query selector) part of it it's counter-productive.
 
@deep the hatred for jQuery generally boils down to two points: 1) you hate the API... which is understandable in some aspects, not so much in others. 2) you don't hate jQuery, you just hate 99% of the 'jQuery Developers' because they misuse the tool so greatly you have lost all faith that it can be used effectively. 2.5 (bonus answer)) you are sick and fucking tired of people suggesting jQuery to solve EVERY single problem they have with the DOM or CSS.
 
deepschool.jaberwokkee.kodingen.com/~/urbancss.htm the pale red, or pale green or neither?
star to the 3rd one.. i agree, it how i ended up getting q banned , people down voted me when i tried to find ways of doing stuff without jquery
 
7:05 PM
Your url might as well be deepshool.geocities.com
 
lol
 
user1596138
I really like jQuery, for the record.
 
I see the importance, but I dislike most of the API
 
Meh, my mates hosting it, i dont really understand the whole hosting bit.
 
7:06 PM
that's not the point of my comment.
 
> If the argument object has an [[Call]] internal method, then return true, otherwise return false.
 
.each <- hate that they reversed the arguments
.css <- total win if you ask me. Much easier than element.style
.ajax <- mixed feelings
.hide /.show <- are you that fucking lazy?
.animate <- until css transitions are fully supported this is a life saver for most.
^ some examples of how I feel about some of the more used parts of the API
 
@nderscore i get how colour pallete generator are helpful, but i dont understand what should be what colour, i have the three decent colours, and im just like wtf should i do?
 
but why do I need like 15 freaking ways to add an event listener?
 
it's all about creating aesthetically pleasing contrast
 
7:08 PM
why does .click have three possible meanings? !?!? !
stupid shit like that makes me frown at the lib.
 
I thought .click only had two invocation patterns
 
@shmiddty ok.
 
.click can trigger a click event
and there are two invocation patterns for adding listeners using it iirc
!!/jquery click
 
!!/define iirc
 
7:10 PM
@deep No definition found.
 
@rlemon .each they didn't reverse the argument, they had it before the equivalent methods were in the spec.
 
!!/google iirc
 
@deep That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: google
 
!!define iirc
 
@Shmiddty It means I aint got time to learn your $5 words
 
7:10 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum still annoying. I understand that they couldn't change it without breaking a lot of code, but it is annoying as shit to me
!!/urban iirc
people people people.
 
that's just the bot being difficult, isn't it?
!!urban iirc
 
Hello!
 
wow, massive chat lag spike for me there
 
same
 
bot probably borked
 
7:11 PM
!!refresh
!!floop the pig
 
"iirc" if I recall correctly, means impotent imps riding campers.
 
Does any one happen to know the terms used for curly brackets style that starts on the same line?
 
Is the bot dead?
!!/live
 
yep
 
minified?...Maybe...
 
7:12 PM
network error. spins the chat into a strange place
@Ehtesham keeping open braces on the control statement?
 
I mean this
function () {

}
 
guess the quote : i do believe in bots...i do...i do..i do believe in bots...i do...i do..i do believe in bots...i do...i do.. :P
 
@rlem
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you saying the bot does ban functionality?
 
@Ehtesham you mean this : var meh = function () {window.alert("test")};
 
7:14 PM
@rlemon vs this
function ()
{
}
 
@ircmaxell Bot is in maintenance. Generally, it works pretty simply. What happens is that we have a command that turns the room into gallery mode and revoke that user's write access for the specified amount of time. The bot constantly tracks visitors and puts them on write access so you don't get pinged whenever someone joins. You're free to join and talk by default but that write access may get revoked
 
well there are many forms
 
@ircmaxell Move that message from the PHP room here.
 
that is keeping the braces withthe control statements
 
!!google k&r indendation style
 
7:14 PM
eih
 
if you want KNF
 
@Ehtesham They are often informally called "Egyptian braces"
 
1 message moved from PHP
 
I know there's term for this style used in "practice of programming"
 
7:15 PM
@KendallFrey braces, brackets, and parens.
 
@ircmaxell Thank you, generally that's how it works.
 
@Ehtesham KNF
 
eih
 
@Zirak the bot is down.
 
also, kerningham&ritchie style, IIRC
 
7:15 PM
In computer programming, an indent style is a convention governing the indentation of blocks of code to convey the program's structure. This article largely addresses the C programming language and its descendants, but can be (and frequently is) applied to most other programming languages (especially those in the curly bracket family). Indent style is just one aspect of programming style. Indentation is not a requirement of most programming languages, where it is used as secondary notation. Rather, programmers indent to better convey the structure of their programs to human readers. In par...
 
!!/live
 
You won't understand the Egyptian part until you see this image:
 
ohh I see
 
@ircmaxell We discussed it between ourselves and with our mods and agreed unanimously it was a good solution to a bad problem.
 
I remember that now
har har har
 
7:16 PM
exactly
thanks
 
dont get it.
 
egyptions
 
I'd rather see the devs fix the rooms and give us proper mod tools
 
@Ehtesham it is KNF style
 
 
7:17 PM
@rlemon KNF? You mean K&R?
 
@ircmaxell We make do. I'd rather see the permission system fixed just like the next guy but that ain't happening. It's simply uneconomic for SO to fix. We make do with what we got.
 
@deep that's a link to the CMS
 
oops.
 
function foo()
{
// K&R
}

function foo() {
  // KNF
}
 
7:17 PM
> Kernel Normal Form
TIL
 
Now I remember the coding horror article on programming jargons
thanks a bunch @rlemon
 
np
now depending on how you structure your if else statements and such there could be another 'style'
Compact control readability style
if( condition ) {

}
else {

}

vs

if( condition ) {

} else {

}
 
what's the difference between KNF and OTBS?
 
yeah, I have always used the first form
sorry second
form
 
@deep look here: coletownsend.com
That's an example of taking pallets and applying them in a compelling way
 
7:20 PM
@JanDvorak I can't see much
maybe some cases the wiki article doesn't cover?
 
I'm using one of them
 
k
 
@Esailija How do I debugger; into native code?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what?
 
open up ollydbg :P
 
7:22 PM
@Esailija I want a debugger, but that goes into functions that are native code.
 
> Moreover, function calls do not use a space before the parenthesis, although C language native statements such as if, while, do, switch and return do (in the case where return is used with parens). Functions that declare no local variables in their top-level block should also leave an empty line after their opening block brace.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you can set breakpoints in chrome console, you know.
 
@user2502227 wat?
 
@Esailija More specifically, I want to define 'function like' objects. Just like Array like objects exist.
 
maybe I'm wrong, but the only way you'll be able to debug inside the native functions would be with a native debugger
 
7:23 PM
@Shmiddty They skip over native functions afaik.
 
I don't even know the language. Klingon?
 
English only please
 
Which means I need to implement a [[call]] method
@nderscore Which is why I asked @Esailija , who has experience in the field :)
 
I don't really know sorry
 
7:24 PM
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45 secs ago, by rlemon
English only please
 
@Esailija Thanks anyway :)
 
I don't think there's a debugger that'll switch between debugging js and debugging machine code
 
maybe insert debugger; into source code and recompile
 
i@JanDvorak i was just fuzzing around
:P
 
user1596138
@rlemon I use the second.
 
7:25 PM
!!mute user2502227 60
 
oopsssss
 
@Jhawinsss then you use KNF or OTBs
 
user1596138
@rlemon ?
 
seconds. It was just a warning.
 
@Jhawinsss we were discussing indentation styles.
 
7:27 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum what are you trying to do exactly?
 
if you use the second style, then you are using KNF or OTBs
 
@JanDvorak no bot
 
user1596138
Ah.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yet works as a warning
 
user1596138
!!are you alive?
 
7:27 PM
@nderscore Exactly? Implement extended functions with more methods on their prototype, like .partial and such.
 
I could run the bot here, but Zirak needs to upload localStorage nightly for that to ever work
 
otherwise I have no commands, no mute lists, no access lists.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I see what you're asking
 
:10255689 What do you think about flagging the next thing he posts altogether?
That would cause him a 30 minute ban if 6 users do it.
 
7:28 PM
I will
 
you can flag in the trash can (just saying)
 
the next non-english thing (I will)
 
sory bud
 
@nderscore To be precise? I want to implement monads for fun (and other stuff like applicatives and functors).
 
7:29 PM
on the subject: kekeke, jajajaja, titititi, are not substitutes for hahahaha or hehehehe and never will be in english.
 
Right, so the next non English thing
 
@rlemon isnt kekekekek what that pokemon says in mystery dungeon?
 
@deep No but it's still pretty ugly though
 
do you mind refreshing, then clicking maths
 
7:31 PM
@deep alert with 'visible'
Chrome 27/Win 8
 
and again, did it chage to derpschool and back?
 
I absolutely hate to admit it, but __proto__ could have really saved my ass here.
@deep Yes, it did.
 
YES FUCK YES
 
user1596138
Talking to the only other person in the office about pot...
 
user1596138
Weird day.
 
7:38 PM
@Jhawinsss Is that a risque topic or something?
 
user1596138
@Shmiddty Indiana, USA. No legal way to have it/smoke it.
 
My life is complete. I no longer need to browse reddit.
 
Terrible Q&A behavior at stackoverflow.com/q/17351705... 9 answers with little to no useful information within a few minutes >_>
 
There has to be a cleaner way than jsfiddle.net/5dcvV
 
gtg bye
 
7:51 PM
I wish I had x:xs notation in JS :/
Meh :/
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum bind?
 
@Shmiddty Bind without first param
 
user1125394
I don't see what you're talking about
 
Any moderator around?
 
@RobW Usually minitech, ThiefMaster, Gordon or BoltClock are pingable, why?
 
7:56 PM
This question is getting out of the hand: stackoverflow.com/q/17351705
8 useless answers and 20+ comments on question
 
What OT comments?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum jsfiddle.net/5dcvV/1
 
user1125394
let the nature do the rest
 
@RobW They missed most of the fun ways to declare variables too
@Shmiddty Changes the value of 'this'
 

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