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12:00 AM
The following is actual code there:
<!--SLIDESHOW DELAY TIME, 1000=1-SECOND//-->
			delay: 5000,
 
user1596138
I know exactly what's on it.
 
<br /><p class="p1"><a href="http://www.whatzup.com/index.php?f=calendar&page=Karaoke">Karaoke & DJs</a></p>
<!--<p class="p2">Click header for complete Karaoke &amp; DJs calendar</p>
<!--DO NOT MOVE!-->
 
I didn't even look at the source. I was just interested where "install JavaScript" would point me
 
user1596138
That is the template page from the whatzup2nite heading below the calendar.
 
user1596138
@copy That really did make me laugh....
 
user1596138
12:02 AM
@copy Changed.
 
user1596138
If you can't tell I'm ashamed to work for this company because everyone will always assume I did this horrid BS.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Although I'm not sure what's wrong with this part. Aside from the <br /> being pointless.
 
Nice
 
user1596138
Yeah. I'm done with this. I've had enough shit about it and I can't change it. Anyone else have any complaints about my shitty situation?
 
@JosiahSouth Why did you take a job there?
 
user1596138
12:07 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm 18. I just graduated HS and have no higher education. I thought this was going to be a real opportunity for me. Now I'm just trying to get out but with this site no one will want anything to do with me.
 
BTW @JanDvorak @Shmiddty and anyone who was a part of that JSONP conversion
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A: Is it possible to make a secure JSONP request?

Benjamin GruenbaumYes! It is possible. One way to do it would be to use WebWorkers. Code running in WebWorkers has no access to the DOM or other JavaScript code your page is running. You can create a WebWorker and execute the JSONP request with it, then terminate it when you're done. The process is something li...

(criticism appreciated)
 
Nice one
 
user1596138
I honestly think my only option is to clean up the site on my own time. There is no way I can get another job with this.
 
@JosiahSouth Have you ever heard of github?
 
Gotta remember if I ever do JSONP
 
12:10 AM
@copy Should pretty much be never
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Set one up already. Haven't actually moved any projects to it yet. I just forked Caprica to work on some cowsay templates.
 
@JosiahSouth Write open source code, good open source code. That's the easiest way to get a job.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum But even if I have some impressive things going on there.. What happens when they inevitably find whatzup.com?
 
user1596138
I mean, of course I can explain the situation. But I have to actually get an interview first.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah, right. You could mention that the worker can do XHR and therefore can do unsafe requests (with authentication)
 
12:13 AM
@copy How would an XHR request be unsafe to begin with if you don't eval anything?
@JosiahSouth They wouldn't care.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum The JSONP response is eval'd anyways, isn't it?
 
@copy Yeah, JSONP is just a script tag that invokes a function whose name you it knows. Normal XHR isn't though
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Right now I have to make money. 25 hours a week is all they'll give me. I'm quitting for a full time factory job.
 
@JosiahSouth Why don't you go to college?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that your solution still unsafe (it can't modify the DOM, but it can send XHRs)
 
12:16 AM
@copy

>This implementation does not deal with some other issues but it prevents all access to the DOM or the current JavaScript on the page, one can create a safe WebWorker environment.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum How could I go to college. I have no money and I have to be able to live and support myself on my own.
 
I don't know how to make that message format correctly :/
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh, alright
 
That's a link to @Zirak 's question about safe web worker. I'm wondering if that's enough.
 
user1596138
Best case I can work thirds full time to put myself through college.
 
12:18 AM
@JosiahSouth Honestly? I don't even know if you're a decent programmer to begin with. You don't need to have a college degree to be a good programmer, or to work. You do need one or the other to get a decent job though.
Let's say copy was looking for a job, wanna know why he'd get one?
 
user1596138
Why?
 
Because he's so good looking?
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't know enough right now and I know that. I'm trying, but it takes time. Right now I wouldn't qualify for anything. Plus I have no real verifiable experience.
 
Apart from the fact pretty much every guy in this room who is in a position to hire or to "strongly suggest" candidates would hire him because he has shown he is knowledgeable. He's a competent coder. Even if he didn't have a site with impressive/interesting code in it, he would still be able to talk his way into an interview over the phone or complete any pre-interview assignments well.
 
user1596138
I don't share his situation.
 
12:21 AM
Wanna know why?
@JosiahSouth Also, go read "JavaScript: The Good Parts" instead of hanging in shady chat rooms then :) It's a short book.
 
user1596138
Because I'm young? Because I've worked 70 hours+ since I was 15 and have had no time to do or learn nearly anything of value?
 
2 mins ago, by Badger Girl
Because he's so good looking?
^
 
user1596138
Now I have time, but not even enough money to live. I need a happy medium.
 
If you want to learn how to code learn how to code, go read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Knuth, feel free to come back with any questions.
 
user1596138
I'm in the middle of that right now. Or I was a month ago before life got so complicated.
 
12:24 AM
Also, in order to be a good programmer you have to use VIM
 
user1596138
I know how to code. I know JS very well. I know PHP fairly well and am getting better. I'm definitely competent with MySQL and I can and do write standards compliant HTML and CSS.
 
You know JS very well?
 
user1596138
I use nothing but VIM or a text editor with syntax highlighting and have literally never used or wanted to use an IDE.
 
Do you surf using vimperator? If you don't you're doing it wrong
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not VERY well. I should say "pretty well."
 
user1596138
12:26 AM
I've used vimperator some. The firefox extension right? I hadn't heard of anything else by that name.
 
user1596138
Yeah. I'll never know enough, but I'm definitely not at square 1 anymore.
 
@JosiahSouth you also have to use Awesome window manager
 
user1125394
I'd miss drag-dropping code parts in a pure terminal editor
 
Otherwise you're just wasting your time
 
12:28 AM
Why isn't this working?
<script type="text/javascript"> if(document.javascript.enabled == false) {document.javascript.enabled = true} </script>
 
user1596138
No clue what that is.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum I use GNOME and xfce.
 
Wrong answer
@RyanJMcGowan Probably? document.javascript is undefined so document.javascript.enabled is an error
 
I liked the round world answer better.
 
12:29 AM
@JosiahSouth Also, Ubuntu is not productive, you need to use Archlinux
 
Cuz circular reasoning
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum But I keep GNOME the same way it was in '06. Good and simple.
 
user1596138
I need to use whatever I think is best.
 
@JosiahSouth With Archlinux and Awesome using VIM you'll be more productive.
 
user1125394
not sure if you can force document.javascript.enabled
 
12:31 AM
Exactly. You can't enable javascript from javascript. I was being a jerk.
 
user1596138
Nothing wrong with trying it. But I'll reserve my own opinion.
 
@JosiahSouth Also, maybe work on some project, maybe create an x86 emulator?
Using VIM under Awesome under Archlinux seems very productive when making your x86 emulator
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum There's plenty of those...
 
Or you could start with something simple, like Conway's game of life.
 
@JosiahSouth sounds like a good learning experience to me
 
12:32 AM
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Q: History API and domain-level urls

RyanJMcGowanI have two pages on MyDomain.com. The index view which is visible from MyDomain.com/ and MyDomain.com/Foo/Bar. Each view has an ajax call to the other and each one pushes the state. There's the steps that create the problem: Start at MyDomain.com/ (Works as expected.) Click the ajax link to My...

 
Also, do codegolf.
 
user1596138
I feel like this has turned from "lets help Josiah" into "lets subtly make fun of him amongst ourselves and see if he notices."
 
user1596138
codegolf is cool.
 
Rebasing is scary....
 
@JosiahSouth codegolf would defiantly make you a better programmer
 
user1125394
12:34 AM
@SomeKittens git?
 
@RyanJMcGowan would you mind if I add a "tl;dr bit"
 
@xcx yrp
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum codegolf is very cool.
 
@JosiahSouth huh?
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Specifically this. What the hell. lol
 
user1125394
12:34 AM
yep, you hope it won't crash
 
@JosiahSouth Which part do you not agree with? I was merely trying to help
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I might not read your answer because tl;dr is 2 characters past my attention span limits.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum I assumed all the suggestions were a joke about newbies easily conforming to the opinions of others in an effort to become beter programmers. Or at least become like someone else.
 
If anyone knows how to get rid of Foo Foo Bars, be my guest and post an answer.
 
@JosiahSouth I'm not sure I know any programmers who do that... I was just trying to help.
 
user1596138
12:36 AM
Not because you were suggesting things, just the way things were worded. It seemed to be in a manner that suggested there is really only one way to go. When in reality I'll end up choosing my own way.
 
@RyanJMcGowan no elegant solution, but you do get a +1
 
Thanks
 
user1596138
Maybe it's got something to do with us being from different countries/areas and I misunderstood.
 
user1596138
I apologize. Lol
 
@JosiahSouth There are plenty of ways to go, but these are musts, you must use Awesome, you must use VIM, you must use Archlinux. Otherwise you're just way less effective. Also, I think an x86 emulator would really help you learn. Codegolf would also really make you a better programmer. After you do that I'm sure you'll be able to get a job, just like copy.
 
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12:37 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Most of the new kids seem to do that. They just try to copy someone else's setup instead of deciding what's best for them.
 
user1596138
If I don't like Awesome why would I use it?
 
@JosiahSouth Yeah, don't copy copy.
 
user1596138
What makes it a requirement.
 
user1596138
I just don't see your logic.
 
Everyone is saying Flat is the latest trend for 2013. I didn't think it was true. Then Gwyneth Paltrow won most beautiful woman of 2013. I was wrong.
 
12:44 AM
Do you think this wallpaper is overly "quickly done"? I wasn't inspired. (and yeah, I DID see this is a programming room, but I don't have anyone to ask. D:)
 
@Ariane yes, sorry.
 
flying postcards wtf
 
I don't have any inspiration! D: The web design I did months ago, I now find it bad and I don't want to do it over. :c
 
I don't think it's all that.
 
If it inspires you anything better feel free. :c
 
user1596138
12:46 AM
@Ariane Eww
 
@JosiahSouth Right? I dunno what bit me.
 
user1596138
@Ariane Get some more contrast. Add another color haha.
 
user1125394
scary design
 
@JosiahSouth Don't wanna. It's a project I'm forced to do on Photoshop, and I hate hate hate hate to use Photoshop. It's painful.
 
user1596138
@Ariane Web Design... In photoshop?
 
12:48 AM
Frontpage.
 
@JosiahSouth Yeah. Don't ask me, ask the teacher. I know it's much smarter to do it on Illustrator.
 
user1596138
I don't understand.
 
user1596138
Lol what? I use notepad...
 
Web design, as in, DESIGNING the website. Not MAKING it. That's DEVELOPMENT.
 
user1596138
Are you just talking about the logos?
 
12:49 AM
I use MS Paint. Including backend.
 
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Q: Best Coding Practice For Classes - Javascript

ZerocaliberI just have a somewhat simple question on coding practices. I have never written a large application before and I am currently working on building a game engine in Javascript. The part that confuses me is what the best method of organization is in this particular case. I have my base engine clas...

 
@RyanJMcGowan Lol
 
user1596138
No, you can do a LOT of design in notepad with html and css.
 
No, that's not design. That's development.
 
user1596138
You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Design is either done with a graphic design program or a sheet of paper. It's drawing. Preparing the pages visually.
 
I use illustrator for design.
 
user1596138
You can draw anything with JS.
 
Draw a logo with canvas. I'll wait.
 
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12:51 AM
@RyanJMcGowan Never said anything about canvas.
 
Yeaaaaaaah. No, yeah, go sleep, then you'll understand the obvious when you're truly awake. If you don't understand what designing a website is, like designing clothes or designing a pamphlet, I can't help you.
 
user1596138
Also never said I could do it.
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens help me out?
 
@JosiahSouth Then how would you drawa logo in Javascript?
 
@RyanJMcGowan svg
 
12:52 AM
@JosiahSouth with what?
 
@RyanJMcGowan He's a genius, obviously.
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens Lol kid says you can't do any type of web design in notepad.
 
SVG is not JavaScript.
 
Of course you can't !
 
user1596138
@RyanJMcGowan I've never used SVG in my life.
 
12:53 AM
It's more like XML
 
That's because design is inherently inferior to development
 
That's like saying you can design fashion with Dreamweaver. Unless you do ASCII art, NO.
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens You know what, I'll take that instead.
 
SVG manipulation is javascript
 
@SomeKittens Bullshit.
 
12:54 AM
The tools for dev can be much simpler because the core is so much more powerful.
 
user1596138
I can make some badass shit with css.
 
manipulating a design is not designing though
 
Design requires a different skillset
It's not inferior
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Uhm, @SomeKittens was obviously kidding to me o:
 
12:54 AM
@Ariane You're just a dumb troll. Begone!
 
user1596138
@JanDvorak Lol I was feeding the troll.
 
vanishes in a cloud of ashes
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'd say "Making something pretty" < "Making something useful" (granted, there's some design in making a useful thing [despite what some *NIX folks think])
 
@JosiahSouth And if you think I was trolling regarding our discussion, I definitely wasn't. I challenge you to teach me how you "design" using HTML and CSS.
 
user1596138
@Ariane Read the link I posted. You know, the one about web design in CSS? That thing you said didn't exist.
 
user1596138
12:56 AM
@Ariane I just did.
 
user1596138
@Ariane See the link above.
 
@Josia That is crazy. I must learn this...
 
@JosiahSouth That's not design, that's coding a geometrical logo that was previously designed otherwise. It's impressive, but it's not design.
 
user1596138
@RyanJMcGowan Just saying. You can do an insane amount of design with CSS 3.
 
@SomeKittens Making something useful is design too.
 
12:57 AM
 
user1596138
@Ariane That's like saying you aren't designing anything in photoshop. You're just using pre-made colors and shapes. Which is an absolute lie.
 
@rlemon classic
 
user1596138
@Ariane Geometric shapes in different combinations is basically a spot on definition of an image.
 
@JosiahSouth You must be trolling. I see no other explanation for your current behaviour. Look, if you're going to pretend people start thinking about how a website is going to be layed out and they just CODE it without drawing anything anywhere, and they're not autists, and they make decent designs, and stay serious about it... I'm not even going to argue. In the parallel world you live in it must be true.
 
user1596138
The point wasn't the pre-designed logos. It was the ability of CSS.
 
1:02 AM
I don't care about the ability of CSS. I care about what designing is, and it's NOT code.
 
user1596138
@Ariane I've seen some damn good websites that are pure code. DAMN good.
 
They were previously designed otherwise, OR the author is an autist. There is no other explanation.
 
user1596138
@Ariane Are you saying that the logos you just saw in CSS3 were not in anyway a type of designing? Assuming they were original designs, not pre-designed logo's would you say they weren't designs but just development?
 
user1596138
Define artist.
 
@Ariane what's wrong with prototyping in CSS instead of photoshop?
noone says they got it right the first time
 
1:04 AM
If they were not pre-existent, then yes it's design. But I'm telling you that at best, the vast majority of people are incapable of making a decent, complex, original design this way.
 
this way => any way
if you can't css a basic design away, photoshop won't cut it either
 
user1596138
@Ariane So you're saying that you CAN do web DESIGN purely using code?
 
(unless you suck at css)
 
user1596138
@Ariane I'm saying you can. And you just said in your own words that it can be done. I provided proof that it can and has been done.
 
@JanDvorak You mean, starting out a page in code and improving it gradually, with CSS? Nothing "wrong" with it even though if you have no visual reference it'll likely prove less effective in the long run.
 
1:07 AM
Who said about "no visual reference"?
 
To throw a wrench in the works: markupwand.com
 
@JanDvorak Josiah did.
 
user1596138
My other point though was that it really is a design when you put a page together in HTML. It takes skill, creativity, originality, thought and time. I do web design in HTML. I design pages from scratch in HTML.
 
user1596138
@Ariane I haven't used the word "visual" or "reference" today.
 
Just, inherently, from what design is, if you code right off the bat, you're not designing your website. You're developing it right away without having designed it.
 
1:08 AM
Obviously you could design in code. It's just a tool. But roughing out a layout in code would be like painting Mona Lisa with Da Vinci giving precise instructions to his 8 year old niece. You might still get Mona Lisa, but it's not the right tool for the job.
 
@Ariane you can do the CSS => render => modify cycle. That's basically debugging colors. AKA designing in code
 
user1596138
@Ariane When I decide what elements I want where I am designing my web page.
 
The best way to design is pen & paper
 
AAAARGH, WHY are we arguing about FREAKING DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS?
 
user1596138
@Ariane If I use a page without a single image on it I have to design the page using HTML. I choose what goes where, how it should look, what size, what color.
 
1:09 AM
Look, think what you want, I don't care. I can't take any more of this stupid fighting.
I'm out, and have a nice day nitpicking with everything.
 
@RyanJMcGowan except when designing a web page, you want the instructions. If you're stuck with a perfect painting, you still need the instructions for his niece
 
user1596138
@Ariane Don't discredit what I and many others in this room do.
 
user1596138
@Ariane Photoshop is more accurately graphic design and has little to nothing to do with the web.
 
user1596138
Well, I guess that's over.
 
if the niece is a turbo-painter (and canvas is cheap), why not start with the instructions and not touch the brush at all?
 
user1596138
1:11 AM
!!/stat 1995518
 
Either I completely misunderstood what you've been saying from the beginning, either almost no one is doing that. With that, I'm out, because you put me in such an awful mood that NO, I don't even want to try to understand. Sheesh, do you FIGHT with everyone like that all the time? You must be such an annoyance.
 
@JosiahSouth Ariane has 163 reputation, earned 0 rep today, asked 3 questions, gave 3 answers, for a q:a ratio of 1:1.
 
@Jan It would take far more instructions to experiment with design though.
 
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@Ariane Lmao I thought you were "out?"
 
Design means making 500 mistakes before you get it right.
For my site, I have about 50 design iterations.
 
user1596138
1:12 AM
!!/urban design
 
@JosiahSouth design what up and coming graphic designers aspire to - but which the Industry thinks it knows better. Hence, the degree of difficulty and countless CDs of folio examples sent by new graduates to unispired and uninspiring studios who care about material wealth and not the material.
 
@RyanJMcGowan depend on how soon you settle on a specific page layout. Colors are trivial to change, especially with CSS preprocessors at hand
 
Don't laugh at angry people, that's extremely rude. And I was going to be "out" until you launched another taunt at me. And now I'm closing the window before you ping me to insult me even more again.
 
user1596138
!!/urban web design
 
@JosiahSouth Zartwork Zartwork is short for Zartwork Designs Inc. Zartwork is one of the best web design, print design, search engine optimization, and social media management companies in New York. The company services the entire United States for all of its graphic design needs.
 
1:13 AM
http://jsfiddle.net/coderjoes/d6Wrj/

How do I get all these divs to set next to each other with no space?
 
@RyanJMcGowan yeah, doing 500 iterations in CSS is a bit of work (so is 500 iterations in Photoshop)
 
GAH
 
@Jan Design isn't just look though. It's also flow and usability.
 
MACS DON'T HAVE INSERT KEYS HOW DO I VIM?
 
@JanDvorak 500 iterations in Photoshop is NOT a lot of work
 
1:14 AM
@RyanJMcGowan how do you design flow and usability in photoshop?
 
Moving stuff around on the fly is easy
I use Illustrator
I create flowcharts
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens comand i
 
OK... I'll obtain the fly :-)
 
user1596138
@Ariane I don't care that you're angry. I'm not angry and I've been having the same argument as you.
 
You can animate in PS though
So you can see how things flow very easy
 
user1596138
1:15 AM
Does anyone know why the Bot searched urban for Zartwork instead of web design? lol
 
m59
@Ariane well, if it makes any difference, on a technicality, he is right, but really, you're right lol. Considering the common usage of words, etc, what you implied is correct. Sucks that it had to be a big blow-up. On the bright side, my wife and I got a huge laugh out of all of this.
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens I think...
 
m59
@RyanJMcGowan +1 +1 +1 for your comments on it.
 
In Illustrator, I'll make 20 or 30 designs in about an hour. No color. Just contrast.
And then I'll take 5 of the best, and make version of those.
Maybe 3 or 4.
that's 20 more
 
m59
You convinced me. I'm re-doing my backend in MS Paint. You got any tips? @RyanJMcGowan
 
1:16 AM
and I eventually narrow it down
 
user1596138
I only know how to use layers in PS. I do very little in it and it's usually just creating ads for the paper.
 
user1596138
@m59 Lol what??
 
@m59 Lots of purple.
 
I admit, prototyping the layout in CSS is hell
 
user1596138
@m59 Oh the bitmap.... lmao
 
m59
1:17 AM
@RyanJMcGowan ahh, gotcha. yeah, that should work out a lot better than php, don't you think?
 
tweaking the colors in CSS is fine
 
user1596138
I've never used PS or Illustrator for a web page... Are you guys saying you make the layout and all of a web page in one of those and then code to match it when you're done?
 
user1596138
I use pencil and paper sometimes...
 
^that
 
@m59 If you save it as a jpeg, it automatically becomes your database.
 
m59
1:18 AM
@JosiahSouth yes, that is the most common case I have heard of. I am not a .....
@RyanJMcGowan LOLLLLZZ
 
user1596138
Actually I use pencil and paper everytime I make a new page now that I think of it...
 
m59
As I was saying, I am not a designer, so I just sketch something out on paper to get it done, but pro designers use photoshop and then give the design to a developer to implement. My brother is one, so that is my source.
 
how long is the photoshop stage between the pen&paper stage and the css stage?
 
@JosiahSouth I use Illustrator to design a webpage. Imagine you're on the browser and you want to move a div. You can just drag it. That's Illustrator. Photoshop is not the best tool either.
 
user1596138
@m59 That's pretty cool. I wish I had a team like that.
 
user1596138
1:20 AM
@RyanJMcGowan Lol I could just move it with CSS in the inspector. That's what I always do.
 
user1596138
I need to look into illustrator though. Sounds interesting.
 
with Positioning, floating, padding... yeah it's not "just move it in CSS"
 
user1596138
@RyanJMcGowan It really is... If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. But I do it all the time.
 
I'm pretty proficient in CSS. But do something like place a dynamically-sized div with vertical centering with CSS. Can you do that in under 2 secnds?
 
user1596138
@RyanJMcGowan You can't even start any program from Adobe in 2 seconds. :P
 
1:23 AM
nor a browser
 
Once it's up. We're talking about designing. Not loading applications.
 
user1596138
@RyanJMcGowan You can't do it in 2 seconds in Illustrator.
 
user1596138
Be realistic.
 
yes you can
Probably less than that
 
user1596138
Define "Place."
 
1:24 AM
I can drag the center point to the view center and snap it in.
Or I can type in the pixel location of center in the Transform toolbox
 
user1596138
I'll just go ahead and say you're probably right. I haven't ever used Illustrator.
 
user1596138
I'll definitely be checking it out tomorrow though.
 
user1125394
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I should do a series of tuts on youtube.
I am a designer first. I've only been coding for a little over a year.
I've been using Illustrator since 99 though
 
user1596138
I've only been out of HighSchool for 3 months. lmao
 
user1596138
1:26 AM
Lets just assume you're right on all of this then. I had no idea.
 
user1596138
!!/stat 1265290
 
@JosiahSouth RyanJMcGowan has 369 reputation, earned 5 rep today, asked 18 questions, gave 15 answers, for a q:a ratio of 6:5.
 
Stalker
 
user1596138
;)
 
user1596138
!!/insult RyanJMcGo
 
1:28 AM
@JosiahSouth So's yer mother!
 
If I had reps for Adobe, it would be over 9000.
 
user1596138
The insult command is useless as long as it only insults the person who called it hahaha
 
!!/tell josiah insult
 
user1596138
@RyanJMcGowan I'm actually really interested in trying out Illustrator now. Despite how I know I sound. I hadn't looked into it.
 
@josiah So's yer mother!
 
user1596138
1:29 AM
@JanDvorak Ah!
 
user1125394
!!/stat 2
 
syntax
 
@xcx Y U NO MAEK SENSE!? Could not understand stat 2 (perhaps you meant to execute a command? If so, prepend the command name with a /)
 
There's a learning curve, but not as much as Photoshop
 
user1596138
I haven't loked into the bot much yet. But I'm really likin it.
 
1:29 AM
@xcx Geoff Dalgas has 1702 reputation, earned 0 rep today, asked 7 questions, gave 5 answers, for a q:a ratio of 7:5.
 
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@RyanJMcGowan Photoshop isn't that hard IMHO. But I don't but hardly use it.
 
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don't worry won't do the first 10
 
The thing with PS is it's easy to use, but you'll only use 2% of it and only 2% of users will fully understand everything it has to offer.
I consider myself to be a PS verteran user, but even I haven't done everything it can do.
 
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@RyanJMcGowan I agree with that.
 
AKA bloatware?
 
1:32 AM
can you declare the data type of a javascript variable ?
 
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@JanDvorak Hahahaha
 
like int/float/bool etc
 
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I'm going out for a smoke. But this has been good conversation!
 
@Dave no
 
PS definitely has some bloat, but not as bad as other apps
 
1:32 AM
no performance gain doing so like with lower level languages?
 
you can place type inference hints
look into asm.js
 
I think because there's a suite of programs out there from Adobe, they don't bloat because they put features in only specific apps that they apply to. If Adobe was one app, it would be a nighmare
 
|0 forces an integer, ""+ forces a string, !! forces a boolean...
the rest is the compiler's job
 
ok but if i force them will that in anyway see performance gains ? if not i'm not going to waste the time
 
unless you're doing a tight and heavy loop, it won't be noticeable
 
1:37 AM
hmm does a pathfinder count
 
that doesn't sound like a performance-sensitive use case
do some testing and report ;-)
 
its alot of looping though :P
looping and checking is the main 2 issues that will slow my app down than any thing else
besides drawing to canvas but not much i can do about that
 
I predict optimising cache access will have greater impact
also, pre-allocating arrays
row-major / column-major access can have a performance impact of 50%
similar for Array(1024) instead of []
 
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Insane
 
1:43 AM
on the other hand, type hinting won't hurt either, and can serve as a documentation.
so, do it where natural, but don't sweat it
 
@JosiahSouth making that in CSS is retarded
 
!!s/retarded/a challenge/=
 
@JanDvorak @JosiahSouth making that in CSS is a challenge (source)
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum I know it is. It's just really cool to me that it can be done.
 
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I mean, look at this! lab.jeffbatterton.com/iphone-css3
 
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1:45 AM
It's insane.
 
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It's pointless, but one of the coolest things I've seen done in CSS.
 
I see how he's doing it. It's a cool trick, but you can't make organic shapes.
 
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@RyanJMcGowan I still think it's very cool.
 
It is cool. I wouldn't have thought of it. He's taking square elements and using border radius to make curves.
But he can only do squares and circles.
 
TIL about -webkit-box-reflect
 
1:57 AM
Java and JavaScript are similar like and Script are similar
 
Some users just want to watch the world burn
He deleted it
 

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