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user1385191
5:00 PM
boolean attributes like in that question are an engima
 
user1385191
just the attribute = true
 
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attribute="attributename" = true
 
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attribute="" = false
 
that makes sens right ?
"" is considered as a null value
 
user1385191
they're called "boolean" attributes
 
user1385191
5:02 PM
meaning you'd expect true/false
 
user1385191
yet, only the DOM property version works that way
 
i got it
I thought using a string with a length more than one char was setting the value to true
thanks for the head-up
 
sigh
working with a 3rd party vender and their WCF service blows up on me
their response to me is to leave a parameter "blank"
wtf parameters can't be "blank" in C# unless they're optional and even then it still wouldn't really be that
I guess they mean string.Empty
 
@ChrisMarisic that's too bad
 
on what aspect?
 
5:14 PM
@ChrisMarisic there is stuff to do indoors other than using your computer, too!
@ChrisMarisic the aspect I replied to
@ChrisMarisic click the little arrow to follow my message back to the original to which I was replying
 
i have a ps3, and 8TB of storage medium
thats full sigh
never enough hard drive space
/afk
 
@ChrisMarisic 1) go outside 2) find a lawnmower 3) take it to bits 4) put it back together 5) mow your lawn 6) mow three other lawns 7) Enjoy a sense of being better than lazy neighbors.
 
5:43 PM
Hi all
i am having an issue with jQuery hasClass
I am doing something like this:

		if(!$(this).hasClass('active')){
			console.log($(this).hasClass('active'), this)
			$(this).children('a').css({
				backgroundColor: 'white',
				color: 'red'
			});
		}
for some reason it get to the console outputting: false DOM_OBJECT
isnt it not even supposed to get to the console.log if it is false?
 
you have a ! at the start of your if statement :P
 
sorry
opposite. it has the active class but it claims it as false
even when it does have it
crap
nm the whole thiing
 
...
 
the active class was on the <a> tag and not on this
sorry...
yay its fixed lol
 
lol hate when that happens
 
5:54 PM
Rubber duckie, you're the one...
 
@Neal you should take some breaks, overcoding is not good for the concentration
 
@Oddantfr Neither is undercoding :-D
 
@Oddantfr lol but thats mi job :-D
 
@RyanKinal @Neal agreed
:P
 
wadya think o my new dropdown? striketechnologies.com/new_design
under technology
 
5:56 PM
@Neal Needs some gradients and drop shadows
:-D
 
@RyanKinal lol this needs to work cross browser :-P
does the dropdown look ok on this site? or dhould it not have a dropdown?
 
Seriously, though, I think it needs something to separate it from the rest of the red. Maybe just a slightly darker red border.
 
how?
 
Anyone know how I can read gzipped api data using node or some other js library?
 
@RyanKinal how?
 
user1385191
5:58 PM
<center class="center"> in 2011? REALLY?
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@MattMcDonald haha im editing already made code lol
this isnt mine
the only thing thats mine is the menu
 
@Neal thank goodness I thought it was yours for a sec.
 
haha
 
and yes, the menu is the best part.
 
nope
 
user1385191
6:00 PM
an html5 doctype slapped onto that page is so ironic
 
@MattMcDonald ikr lol
 
@ThomasShields haha i made it here too globaltradingsystems.com my boss wanted both sites to look alike
@MattMcDonald lol i did that for fun :-P
 
user1385191
especially considering the html element has an xhtml namespace attribute
 
@Neal ah cool
 
@Neal .submenu { border: solid 1px #500; border-width: 0 0 1px 1px; }
 
6:01 PM
@Neal if you're redoing that site, step 1) REMOVE THE BLOODY TABLES
 
@ThomasShields haha its better said than done. whoever orig made it used obscure class and id names
 
@Neal that shouldn't be a hard site to just redo from scratch... mind if i try?
 
@RyanKinal ?? i had a border, the padding of 1px
@ThomasShields haha go for it. its harder than it looks....
i had to keep all those obscure class names when i added css rules...
 
@Neal Awesome, thanks. I like a challenge; and i'm bored.
 
@Neal Right, but the problem is that the border was the same red as the rest of the site. This gives it a little more depth, by way of the darker color
 
6:02 PM
@RyanKinal ahhh lemme try new color. one sec
 
browsers should reject files that don't match their doctype ><
 
@david lol. That would break the web right in half
 
@RyanKinal yea it does look muchbetter (check it out now)
thanks
 
user1385191
I remember my first and only foray into cgi web code
 
@Neal Very nice!
 
user1385191
6:03 PM
if the file has an error, it doesn't run
 
user1385191
oh, to picture the web under those conditions
 
@RyanKinal that is cool. i was wondering how to make it look better, that is awesome. thanky ^_^
 
@MattMcDonald Forcibly correct code? Yeah, that would be awesome.
@Neal No problem :-)
 
user1385191
 
@MattMcDonald lol
I think I would have to try to get that many errors in a page.
 
user1385191
6:06 PM
stackoverflow passes html 4.01 strict
 
user1385191
impressive
 
@ThomasShields no problemo ^_^
 
@MattMcDonald matt sorry this novice question (probably is) but I'm always wondering for what purpose the doctype is used for ? cause obviously if you don't mention it the page is still looking fine
 
user1385191
doctype determines how the HTML is parsed
 
by the browsers ?
 
user1385191
6:10 PM
and if you skip the doctype, the browser enters quirks mode
 
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and all hell breaks loose
 
only in browsers that still have quirks mode
 
@MattMcDonald so what should i put as docType for this site do you think?
 
user1385191
html 4.01 or html 5
 
user196106
I would say html5
 
user1385191
6:12 PM
4.01 is the recommended doctype, though I still run xhtml strict
 
@MattMcDonald lol so i did html 5, u said it was funny
sorry ironic
 
ok understand
 
user1385191
ironic because the markup is severely dated
 
I try to go with xhtml 1.1 for anything I do
 
i do xhtml 1.1 transitional
 
6:14 PM
@MattMcDonald lol. yes i know
 
user1385191
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode#Comparison_of_document_types"
 
nah, strict ftw. transitional is a copout >.>
 
user1385191
^^
 
is that an information taken in consideration when robots inspect our pages ?
and index them in database ?
 
possibly
theoretically they could boost results for people that have newer doctypes, or use strict
 
6:17 PM
wow
 
but thats all search engine voodoo and not something to be concerned about
 
:p
this would be unfair
 
why?
it could easily be argued that sites that use "better" doctypes are newer, more frequently updated, and/or more relevant
 
but straight searches would concern only the new documents and old but relevant contents would be accessed only with URI in pages
 
remember search algorithms are based on scoring metrics
many things go into determining the relevancy
 
6:23 PM
right
 
so even if they added doc type to the criteria it would be a minor impact except against sites that are extremely similar to yours
but would use old doctypes
 
javascript chat should be styled "doctypes"
:D
 
user196106
styled?
 
named
hey talking about referencing
is there some black hat strategy to high our pages on searches ?
just curiosity
like flooding keywords in specific tags
or adding hidden images with the respected number of words in alt attribute
 
user196106
You could create a hidden div and fill it with keywords.
 
6:28 PM
are you sure that is working @aRagnis ?
 
user196106
It should be
 
user196106
(most) search engines do not parse css/js so they can't know, it's hidden.
 
I'm going to test it on a testing page
oh tricky
 
user1385191
this is a bad topic
 
hidden
i was thinking directly put the style attribute to hiddent
oh come on @Matt it's just grey hat advices
 
6:30 PM
<!DOCTYPE html SYSTEM "about:legacy-compat"> :(
 
Google is smarter than you, and they punish sites that try to game the ranking system. Good luck.
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user1385191
google bans are permanent iirc
 
user1385191
at least with adsense
 
i have been suspended like 12 times this year
their team is pretty good with re-enabling the site if you follow their rules
 
user1385191
whoa
 
6:34 PM
domain-suspensions
for adult content
people get offended from the lamest things
 
hey I can make my jQuery effect working well
it's a shaking effect
it works fine on Chrome but keep shaking on ff and ie
anyone know if this is something to change to make cross-browser shaking effect ?
 
@ChadScira i absolutely loathe censorship
i think it is the most despicable thing on this planet, short of genocide
or the human slave trade
 
user1385191
choppy animation usually means bad CSS or multiple parallel animation calls
 
If you want to get good search results, generate good content. It's actually that easy.
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And you know what happens when your content is good? People buy your stuff.
 
^ = $
 
6:43 PM
not really matt
usually it means there is a lack of subpixel anti-aliasing
 
was that a regex @chris? or are you having a seizure?
 
safari is the only browser that has that shit right
chrome just got better
 
tell me more @Chad
 
user1385191
this is from my own experience animating with js and as
 
?
how can I fix it
 
user1385191
6:44 PM
I suppose it depends on what type of choppiness we're talking about
 
@david above comment = money
 
well
is the animation slow?
 
fast or slow this remains the same
but actually slow
 
what browser
 
i didn't see him say the animation was choppy, just that it wasn't stopping...
 
6:45 PM
FF
 
link to the code so we can see what you're on about
 
Does anyone here have a great knowledge of password cracking?
 
yes i can't stop to shake
it
 
i didn't read the whole history
FF has lots of issues with their animations, i think this week they will release FF5
 
6:46 PM
password cracking? what do you have? the hash?
 
shake and shake and shake and shake and shake and shake
 
I'm not trying to crack a password, but I'm looking for someone who has more than basic knowledge of entropy around passwords.
 
lol
bs
 
you get better passwords if you take 2 passwords and multiply them together
 
6:48 PM
you pulled down lulzsec's list
and want to avoid failed attempts
 
Me?
No.
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Q: How can we accurately measure a password entropy range?

IncognitoI've given myself the task of writing code that determines the strength of a password, and really want to break out of a lot of already established ways we do that, as they're often lacking, not designed the right way, or quickly become irrelevant. Generally, we'll see patterns where you enter a...

Why should I care about failed attempts I use a TOR anyway.
 
all of that is stupid
users need to use a different password for their email
i think you should have the server try to login as them
to their email account
if it works its a bad password :P
 
ahahahaha
i like that
 
the whole password security thing has been phased out a long time ago
with attempt counting
no one brute forces sites
 
Chad, I don't think you understand how to exploit websites. Sit down.
 
6:51 PM
errrrrr
yeah chad
 
yes i do ;)
 
@ChadScira depends who you are, emails still get cracked
 
99% of all hacking is done because someone has the actual password
via a virus
not because some dude guessed it
or it was brute forced
 
i'd say 99% is high, but i understand your point
 
im just saying
 
6:53 PM
Chad, you come off as overly aggressive and loudmouthed, and I perceive you as rude and arrogant. It's making it very hard to take what you say objectively.
 
user196106
Also, most people use weak passwords
 
user196106
Sth like kitten123 or yourname1990
 
@aRagnis That's my real question, when's it weak? That's what I'm trying to measure.
 
haha, its fine. My point is that most account compromises are not because the password wasn't secure enough.
users are the security hole... if they can finally realize that they should not use the same password that they use with their email on a 3rd party website we would be in a much better place.
 
@aRagnis damn I should plan changing my already passwords
 
6:56 PM
i had 200000 plain text passwords for an application i made (when twitter only supported plain text)
 
+1 for users being the security hole
 
most of them were very insecure
but i would argue that it isn't the issue
 
user196106
Actually I use the same password on a lot of sites. :D
 
i think its ok if you do that
 
^ we all do
 
as long as you only have 1 password for each email
 
user196106
But my passwords look like a cat had slept on my keyboard.
 
that doesn't negate what @ChadScira is saying
if your password is alsdkf4590sdflk23$@#$FD(JKRF)(CLSDkfslk3490fdS)(FIEWKjslwdk)(
if a site, like gawker
 
Chadscira seems to be confusing hacking for fun with actual targetted hacking.
 
or the recent sony hacks
the database gets hacked
 
6:58 PM
no no... most hacking is that
 
and now your password becomes plain text to the internet
 
its just not public
 
@ThomasShields hmmm
interesting
 
Unless the site is really bad, and stores plain text or unsalted password hashes, then the strength of the password is still important
 
and now your crazy secure password = owned bank account
 
6:58 PM
@ThomasShields how do i do that with my current colors and drop menu?
 
im happy lolzsec is fucking over sites that do stupid shit
and fucking their users over too
 
user196106
I have a lot of those passwords and I use them based on how trustworthy the site is.
And for important things I have separate passwords.
 
@Neal the colors are about the same, and i implemented a drop menu.
 
it will teach people to not use the same passwords, targeted hacking is a totally different beast
 
@ChrisMarisic database getting hacked != plain text password.
 
6:59 PM
@Neal but if you want to tweak the colors, just change maroon and red
 
but i still think that if a service is not attempt counting from IP there is an issue
 
@david once the database falls, it's only a matter if they want to get your password enough
 

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