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9:00 PM
haha yeah
it uses flash for the sound still
 
@Loktar its very usntable
 
but yeah its basically team deathmatch, i should work on it some more
yeah it was my first node project
 
I've planning to write a multiplayer game framework for node
 
zombified some of my other canvas games into it
 
I need to get back on it before someone beats me to it
 
9:01 PM
@IvoWetzel my browser passes the websockets test here.
 
@Nathan Then it must be that error my friend told me of, he upgraded chrome and it suddenly worked
 
I need to find a smaller similar project first
 
quick question: Does anyone know a good auto indenter for HTML?
 
Anyone want to recommend a small nodejs project. I keep aiming too high and failing :)
@IvoWetzel beautifier?
 
simpel chat lounge
with moving avatars
 
9:03 PM
@Raynos Yes
 
a room where you walk and have speech bubbles
 
@Loktar that might work. A simple chat
 
javascript:alert("WebSockets are " + (window.WebSocket ? "" : "not ") + "supported");
 
@IvoWetzel HTMLBeautifier or JSBeautiier
 
@IvoWetzel Firefox 3something yields the same result
 
9:04 PM
Well FX3 has no web sockets
 
I am behind a proxy and corp firewall-- does it use a non-80 port?
 
yes
 
After doing a realtime "game" it really showed me the potential nodejs at least has for turned based stuff. Could handle any of that easily
like connect 4, checkers, civilization etc.
 
@Loktar Someone needs to write a really good realtime networking base to plug client & server into. Im going to try but mine will be shit :)
 
yeah i agree
 
9:06 PM
wait for the new... even worse websocket thing first
 
lol
 
that means, do it in C as always
TCP -> extra web socket (rsa encrypted) protocol on top of it -> your stuff
 
at least then even JS games could be monetized alot easier, right now imo thats the main edge flash has on canvas/js currently.
 
@IvoWetzel I dont mean that. I mean a library that hides latency unobtrusively for you
 
you could easily make a small scale pay for mmo
 
9:08 PM
the word flash should be banned from this room
 
and as3
 
flash is still useful. For art. But for code or games dont use it
 
im not a fan, mainly just jealous at their ability to make a few hundred off of terrible games.
 
@Raynos Well that depends on the game then, something like the unreal stuff would be nice
 
@IvoWetzel yes a mix of the unreal or valve system. That expects some kind of interface at either end that you plug into it
 
9:09 PM
I'm trying my hardest to finish the graphics for my game ...
can't draw :S
 
I just buy 3d models, and use 2d renders
 
go steal :p
 
@Raynos Indeed, some actor / effect base classes maybe
 
@IvoWetzel I was just going for some kind weakly coupled state - client thing.
and some kind of emulation patterns
 
@Greg what type of game are you making?
 
9:13 PM
@Loktar co-operative pixel graphics, non-violent
 
canvas?
 
@Loktar yeah
 
cool
I love all the cool games lately people are making
my best one was a lunar lander clone :?
 
it'll be a while until mine's playable
 
oh, there was another game thingy I was making
 
9:14 PM
@IvoWetzel abadonware :D
 
@Loktar that page is horrible :(
 
sorry
wrong one
that one has updated controls
and you can hide the text, so it doesnt scroll
 
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Q: html5 game with canvas, performance problems on firefox (4)

Schnallehi all, currently i work on a little js/canvas game called "tunnel 2" (i'm pretty sure there's a well known year old version of this, but i know of none). you can try the game here. also, i'd recommend chrome. so, i developed in google chrome, and it works fine, even on my crappy old machine. i...

 
9:17 PM
yeah that was the initial complaint i received.. bad choice using the arrow keys when the page could scroll
nice @IvoWetzel thats very similiar to the pc game, which name eludes me
 
yeah, that is a little crazy
 
eufloria
 
a and z works well though
 
really love the networking of the thing
 
I ccrahsed >_<
 
9:19 PM
sends ~250 bytes/s
 
oh wait, thats multiplayer ivo?
 
yes
scroll around
ah now it crashed
newest node doesn't seem to like it
 
thats really cool man nice job
 
> Maximum call stack size exceeded|
 
@IvoWetzel is 0.2kb/s low?
 
9:20 PM
very helpful
@Raynos Uh yes, the other one sends 50kb per second when lots of action is going on
 
Good evening
 
Here it's barely a kilobyte for 4 players and a crap ton of "ships"
It also allows for multiple games running
and spectator support is also included
(don't ask me though what one has to append to the URL)
 
awww... make it work again!
 
now I am motivated to work on some projects again
very cool stuff
 
oh and even the explosions a synchronized :P (seeded random numbers ftw)
it's online again
and yes balancing sucks... AI is very overpoweder
 
9:24 PM
Ugh I have to write more code. What would be a good small project apart from a chat?
 
lol
 
overhead racing game maybe.
 
rock paper scissors
mmo
 
LS?
 
lol
 
9:26 PM
RPSLS that is?
 
is it dead again ivo?
 
no, it's working here
 
im still going
im blue
or.. is everyone blue
 
no, I'm red
 
9:26 PM
gyar.... stupid work proxy
 
ok cool, i was blue both times so I didnt know if maybe you always see yourself as blue
 
@IvoWetzel link me
 
Think smaller.
 
2 player tetris
 
9:27 PM
smaller >_>. not that. I mean not a game. I was going to write pong but I got stuck in writing a generic game framework
 
stupid node
 
pong
 
not that hot is it
 
4 player pong
 
warlords!
great atari game
 
9:28 PM
venetian blinds!
 
I cant get away with writing a game without wrapping it in a extendable re-usable framework >_>
 
brickles
 
(if you don't know that atari game, get out)
 
alley cat
 
(otherwise known to some as win-brick)
 
9:29 PM
@Raynos Tic Tac Toe, or Connect 4
 
Online domino! With WebGL!
And 100 players
 
and all players can shake the table
 
Then people have 24 hours to build a thing
 
lol
 
with a giant countdown on the frontpage
 
9:30 PM
I think whoever makes minecraft clone will become a millionaire
 
wait @IvoWetzel basically you are talking about minecraft with real physics
I think whoever improves on MC will be
 
When your game grew big enough, maybe you can convince some netherland tv guys so make a real world version of it
 
its a great sandbox, but no goal
 
That's it. I'll just write a realtime multiplayer physics engine
thats useful :)
 
that would be insanely useful
 
9:31 PM
Good luck
 
haha then you can go back to simple and make pong.
 
Make a drag-racing timer (simple, yet interesting)
 
yeah three.js has a few MC rendering demos
three.js is pretty cool, I just always feel like I need to reinvent the wheel for some reasoin
 
ok, good night, off to bed, just checking in
 
9:34 PM
@Loktar dont think about 3D. Show us you can write a heavy 2D game running @ 60fps on firefox. Then you can write a 3D game
 
good night
time to get back to the website...
 
see ya
I have one in the works @Raynos
 
@Loktar it has to be multiplayer :P Seriously though, I havn't seen anything run stably at 40fps+ in firefox yet
 
ah well it definitely is not multiplayer.
thats my closest attempt
thats pretty old however
with less zombies it would run better obviously
or.. fat bald men..
 
@Loktar implement pause -.- use HTML5 audio
 
9:39 PM
my newer projects have it, thats when i was just getting started
thats probably a year and a half old
 
ah ok.
 
i have development add... start a ton never finish
 
I actaully want a small project to learn to use underscore.js
 
n body sim
 
9:57 PM
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A: Is this "craziness" stack of technologies to create web apps good?

RaynosServer side technology exists because the server is a heavy weight boxer. He's got 5 belts and is the world champion. All the clients are light weight rookies. Who are you going to trust to win your boxing tournament? In almost all cases the computation is done on the server because its fast...

Is my answer actaully wrong in that case? Is his example actaully a good suggestion?
 
I dont know I totally agree with your answer, to me it almost seems like he wants to use all client tech just to do it, which is fine, but like you said why not just process it on the server and send it back as html.
 
Stackoverflow is addicting! Damn you @JeffAtwood
 
"l or maybe it could be a cookie i guess. Server test if cookie is with code there and provide access." ?
 
I added another "No" answer
 
@IvoWetzel I added a "Damn NoScript user! burn in hell" comment
 
10:07 PM
@YiJiang I've posted an update of my HTML over on that CR question, also I tried to do the shadow in a different way, but no success
@Raynos I added the obligatory flamewar style downvote on your answer
 
Im surprised at the lack of people in these chat rooms, where else can you go to talk to people with common interests in programming techs besides IRC?
 
@Loktar Well "lack" of people is relative, would you be more happy with 60 additional guys idling around?
 
heh good point, thats what I get in IRC.
 
@IvoWetzel :( -1
 
I don't see anything wrong with noscript users... if they don't want scripts, then they don't get them...
if a website relies on scripts, then it wont work for them
 
10:11 PM
@david @IvoWetzel I hate having to server content to noscript users
 
it's their choice
 
@Loktar there were a lot more people here when this was linked on SO. Your correct though we do need +4 regulars
 
Most search crawlers are effectively noscript, but usually people want to serve them, or at least Googlebot.
 
I mean I server content. But all my web apps rely on javascript
 
@david Main point for noscript is, I don't want everyone and their mom to run scripts on any page
 
10:13 PM
f*** off, am I going to supply a entire server based alternative relying on postbacks completely
 
e.g. google analytics, no thanks
ad stuff?
No thanks
Flash active by default? Noo... please no...
 
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A: In 2011 is it truly necessary to still degrade js?

NathanIn 2011 there are still several important types of users for whom you can't assume javascript will function properly: search robots browsers for visually impaired users feature phones corporate browsers, thin clients, etc still using IE6 or whatever REST-based clients by fellow developers your ...

go ahead and vote me down :D
 
@IvoWetzel Wait I can turn flash off? Gif plugin
 
@Raynos Did you ever use NoScript?!? What did you think it does? Deactivate all JS? :O
 
@IvoWetzel yes. But I chrome. Where app?!?
 
10:16 PM
No idea
 
I lost 100 rep >_< stupid bounty
 
gnah I lost 300 right now
finally triggered that rep recalc
 
@IvoWetzel Even if you put noscript onto an 'at risk user's computer, they're probably more likely to get burned when a website tells them they're the 999999th visitor and offers them the opportunity to punch a monkey
 
@david I get enough 1000000th user chances by disabling ad block plus :P
 
@IvoWetzel rep recalc??
 
Is that me?
 
yes
 
10:32 PM
ooh, rep breakdown, cool
stupid -2s
wait, that's not me is it?
 
nope
 
i'm so confused
clicking on the recalc button seems to have given me more rep
 
10:47 PM
@david click it some more!
 
rofl
'Reputation cannot be recalculated more than once per day.'
 
11:25 PM
:( I clicked it and it reduced my rep
 
:(
 
unless editing another users post reduces your rep
 
i lost a bunch of rep downvoting this guy, and then he deleted his account...
and now i can't cheat and go back and undo all the downvotes >.>
 
hey guys. I need a good carousel
i've tried JCarousel, and JCarousellite, but i need to add items to them dynamically and both are fail at it.
JCarousel has a reset, and refresh methods but neither of them work as documented. Its adding empty list items when it shouldn't be, and has been a pain in the ass to work with to this point.
Its for a drag and drop shopping cart
 
11:46 PM
hurray! my chat thing correctly stores messages in the database... now to get them out again
 
@Gallen write one
$.fn.Carousel = function() {
     //  @Gallen is awesome at writing code. And he's going to do it!
};
 
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