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12:19 AM
@MaxHasADHD what app is that on the dev forums thread?
 
a app im trying to release-_-
but unless i want to release a portrait only app, then im screwed
rotation doesnt work at all. page view controllers want to be portrait-_- good, i hope ibooks for ios 7 is portrait only
BS, android works better than this right now
to me, GM == iOS 7b1.5
apple kept 3 weeks of no beta, then made it the GM. That doesnt help
ohhh, may have hit a breakthrough!
If so, Ill write a book on this, cuz who else will figure this out. gotta control like 20 frames
@enricosusatyo why ya ask?
 
Because there's a screenshot of spotlight, I was wondering if it was one of Apple's apps.
 
If I have a textfield in the IB, how do I overwrite the placement programmatically if the device is an iphone 5? I have this: pastebin.com/6s8nq04H and its not changing
 
So you are writing a book on an app basically, is that it?
 
me? Its an app/reference/bookish for whats new in iOS 7 for begginners
 
12:32 AM
@heinst in your IB file, check if you have any autolayout constraints that is preventing it, or autoresizing masks.
 
tips and tricks
 
Ah ok, that is good.
 
I know they sell well, so i hope i make some $ cuz ya XD
college ya know
 
hahaha yeah
how much are you selling it for?
 
@EnricoSusatyo Is it called Autoresize Subviews?
 
12:33 AM
its free
 
something like that, should be on the right hand side bar on your interface builder.
 
but has ads, and to remove ads its $1.99
freemium
and bug again-_- every time i fix something another ortation
k found it. to successfully rotate a page view controller, you have to change the root view controller frame and page view controller frame but not the data view controller frame. why apple is this so hard-_-
should be change all frames and work, or change 1 frame and work, not 2 random frames to work
 
Did that and didnt work :(
 
1 more test and i can submit
 
oh just submit it without testing.
what's a little excitement and adventure?
 
12:45 AM
lol well i found 1 more bug which is easy to fix so ya test
setting text view frame
doesnt CGRectGetMaxY return the Y value at the bottom of the image?
 
it returns the maximum Y out of a CGRect.
at least, that's what I think, given the API name.
I could look up the documentation. Should I?
 
I did, but it didnt work as expected
it did first 2 times, then didnt
 
ship it!
 
I thought, like for image it would get the Y at top + height, giving the bottom Y value, then i add 40 to be below the image
 
LOLLL Michael you are such a big troll!!
 
12:50 AM
self.dataImage.frame.origin.y+self.dataImage.frame.size.height+40 does the same as the other did, it works first, then after rotation BACK to portrait it over the image view?:/ hm
 
I'm only trying to encourage
 
LOL Michael I can not stop laughing reading your replies.
 
ive been working on nonsense all day-_- its pissing me off i get nothing done
@michaeldautermann are you head of the iOS 7 team? Would explain A LOT.
 
I think the head of iOS 7 was directly poached from the Windows 8 team
 
iOS cant add. I get 504.000000 every time, but it doesnt look like its at 504 >:[ rage
 
12:53 AM
shhhh... don't tell him about NSNumberFormatter
 
i dont need that
apparently, 504 is in 3 different places, the right place, a little bit up, and then a lot of bit up
ill take some pics of 504's
 
LOLOLOL
 
The correct location
oh wait, iOS says this is 504 also!
 
12:56 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/18753678/… free cookie to anyone who answers :D
 
oh wonderful! Also at Y 504
Its like a random multiple choice test, iOS:"Which one is correct?:D" me:"first one" iOS:"YOU WISH!"
 
only if you solve this, will you be worthy to wear a (automobile) hood ornament around your neck like the 504 Boyz
 
The code behind 3 504 locations pastie.org/private/l0zz9iuak1oae6shpryabq
Its impossible unless i want to have set values for landscape and portrait and check:/ I like having changable code that can adapt to each thing. This should always be 40 px under the image, and height be to the bottom green line
@michaeldautermann, where my hood ornament?
 
did you solve it?
with MATH?
 
ya, you cant set its height to something
i made it 100, not dynamic, and i dont get how that affects the Y value-_-
height /= Y
 
1:17 AM
fixed it:D
 
with MATH?
 
but now i kinda dont like it, may have to make the image smallerD:
self.dataText.frame = CGRectMake(20, self.dataImage.frame.origin.y+self.dataImage.frame.size.height+40, SCREEN_WIDTH_WITH(orientation)-40, (SCREEN_HEIGHT_WITH(orientation)-170)-self.dataText.frame.origin.y);
and yes
 
see, you really ought to stay awake during your math classes.
 
although 170 was just winging it, idk how high the control center is
and we dont learn this stuff in math
 
okay... time for me to go.
but I'll be back in a bit.
I expect your app to be submitted in the next hour.
 
1:26 AM
err more like a few days
Im thinking it will be done in 1 hour, but then a new major bug appears and bamn, days later
1 final test, if i run in to 0 bugs time to submit
1 bug and something i want to change. Bug: after rotating any direction, atleast 1 view is messed up until i scroll 2 pages away from that 1. and i want to make the whole thing in a scroll view and make the text view as big as the text needs. I dont like scrolling text views
fixed it, and i guess i can leave the text views:/ Just i dont think people will scroll them
@michaeldautermann submitting
wait, more bugs
 
1:58 AM
MOAR MATH
 
2:11 AM
@michaeldautermann i submitted!
 
2:22 AM
Is there a more elegant way to deal with multiplatform issues in C++ than preprocessor statements?
 
Why does apple always have issues when updating software
Xcode crashes every time i try to update, so now xcode has created a provisioning profile for every app i have an id for, half of which were rejected and ya:/ gah
fixed it, had to make it myself. Xcode is so useful-_-
 
3:07 AM
My new macbook air is very slow for Xcode
:'(
 
?
4 Gigs? 128 gb SSD?
 
3:41 AM
Why do people keep saying i5 when they mean iPhone 5
And iTouch when they mean iPod Touch...
 
yes
The new haswell one
1.3 GHz Intel Core i5
4GB 1600 MHz DDR3
 
3:59 AM
That sounds like a good machine.
How big is your project?
And I've never seen another Indonesian over here before.
 
And nice to meet you enrico :D
hmmm my project is VoIP project
 
I now have the ability to protect questions
I will protect the next question I see about NSDate
HAH!!!! Fat chance of that
 
4:18 AM
LOL borrrden.
@nayoso for what it's worth, I developed a medium sized projects on a 2008 MacBook, 2.0 GHz Core 2 duo, and it's been quite okay.
It's either the project is quite demanding, or something might be wrong with your Xcode installation.
 
yesss
before in my indonesia office
I used macmini
please wait I forgot the spec
ah maybe same just the diference is processor
and harddisk
and then I move to tokyo and I bought macbook air 13"
 
Anyway, how old is your MacBook Air? I have a feeling it's Mid 2013. Should be fine.
 
just yesterday
:D
 
13 inch?!
 
So you live in the same city with @borrrden, maybe you can ask him for technical support. LOL.
 
4:21 AM
Geez
That's like a tablet to me
 
I am buying that laptop too actually. Should be delivered tomorrow here.
 
yes
 
I would push 4 different keys at once
 
I would download more RAM, nayoso.
 
4:22 AM
he?
 
ah OK
I'll try!
 
Click the 4GB one because you need the biggest one.
 
ah borrrden you're in tokyo?
 
I surely am
 
4:24 AM
wow!
 
borrrden tell him how downloading more RAM made your computer faster.
 
do you have any recommendation around here?
 
For what? haha
 
I live and work in minato-ku
hmmm food?
 
My recommendation: Akihabara on weekends!
 
4:24 AM
Hm, that's pretty close to where I work
 
pink salon?
:p
 
I work in Harajuku
 
ah
I see I see
 
And make sure you watch this anime: myanimelist.net/anime/8769/…
 
It's a crazy place -___-
 
4:25 AM
maybe we can meet up sometimes :)
 
No matter what happens, watch it.
 
Well what kind of food do you like?
You should come to the Tokyo iOS meetup
 
ah sorry enrico I didn't watch anime
ah when is it?
 
my bussiness visa allows me only until the beginning of this december
 
4:25 AM
The next one is the 21st of this month
 
ah OK!
 
user457812
shakes his fist at Enrico
 
I'll come
but my japanese is still basic, is it OK?
 
It's in English
80% of the people there are not Japanese ^^
 
ah I see
 
4:27 AM
Because nil loves Oreimo so much like I do.
 
you're the organizer borrden?
 
No
Mattt Thompson is in Tokyo now
 
ah I see
 
(The author of NSHipster and AFNetworking)
It's a shame I missed out on meeting him
 
WAT, Matt Thompson is in Tokyo?!?!
 
4:29 AM
wow!
 
I never use NSHipster
but sometimes I use AFNetworking
 
user457812
For a second I confused AFNetworking with ASIHTTPRequest
 
NSHipster is a blog haha
 
HAHAHAHAHA You don't use NSHipster
 
user457812
4:30 AM
mikeash.com/pyblog ← The one true NSBlog.
 
user457812
If you don't like Mike Ash, something is wrong with you.
 
I do like Mike Ash
 
ah sorry
:p
 
What would a control named NSHipster do, I wonder? haha
Try to make your UI look yuppie?
 
user457812
Probably display a picture of skinny jeans and a popped collar
 
4:31 AM
ya I guess he created a framework to make your UI look yuppie
:p
 
user457812
Yuppie is completely different from hipster
 
user457812
Speaking of hipster, I'm gonna go play Fez
 
Irony at its best
 
Hmmm Actually I can't fully get whole concept of hipster fashion sense
 
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That's because it's ill-defined and more of a mentality plus skinny jeans
 
4:33 AM
You don't need to
 
from what I now hipster is someone who dislike something that go mainstream isn't it?
 
I can't fully get the concept of fashion in general
 
Hipster is pretty much someone who tries so hard to be different
 
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Hipsterism is basically the reproductive byproduct of the worst of the worst of the baby boomers
 
I think.
 
4:33 AM
@borrrden especially japan fashion
:D
 
Pretty sure my brother is a hipster.
 
Japanese fashion is just trying to be as freakishly visible as possible
 
Well, Tokyo fashion is very different than the rest of Japan though.
I really like how so many girls wear kimonos in the temples in Kyoto and other small cities.
 
but luckily in minato-ku everything is normal
I don't know about harajuku
 
I am in Harajuku
You can find the worst offenders here
 
4:35 AM
but akihabara is weird enough for me
 
In fact the term "Harajuku fashion" exists ><
But it looks to me like goth or punk most of the time
 
Hahahahahaha
Are there many loli-goth?
 
ah I see
I should try to go there sometimes
 
and how about sydney enrico?
my cousins live there
and I think they are happy living there
 
4:37 AM
Sydney's pretty normal. Lots of hobos here though.
As of last week we have just elected one of the worst possible PM ever.
PM: "Everyone should be enough with 25 Mbps"
PM: "I mean the scientist are going back and forth about this, I don't even know if global warming is real."
lol
 
Ah I see
OK then I have to back to work!
see you again guys
 
Toodles
 
Hmph the boss of the company handed an OUYA info packet over for the programmers to read
Please don't decide to do an OUYA game ><
 
user457812
Oh god no
 
user457812
Ouya's horrible
 
4:48 AM
We have one here at the company
 
user457812
It's like a lesson in how to lose money selling games
 
I'm pretty sure it is still in its box though haha
 
user457812
Fez is a neat game with horrible controls
 
omfg Mad Catz is still around and they made their own OUYA?! lol!
 
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O_o
 
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4:51 AM
Not sure which of those to be more baffled by
 
I am still waiting to buy a Wii U
They are not lowering the price in Australia :(
 
PS4 !!
WTF are you kidding me??!
Japanese release of the PS4 is 3 months after everyone else?
 
user457812
That's pretty strange for a Japanese company
 
I guess they finally realized that Japan doesn't make that many good games anymore o,0
 
user457812
Well, not if Final Fantasy is anything to go by.
 
user457812
4:55 AM
Kind of gives off a stuck-in-their-ways vibe
 
Serious Baader-Meinhof on this trip. Never heard about LINE.app or Tokyo's Olympic bid before; now they're all anyone's been talking about.
LOL he never heard about LINE
 
I'm surprised at how many people have not heard of it
P.S. Nerds rejoice -> kotaku.com/…
 
Yeah, it's pretty weird how some apps are very popular in some region but not worldwide
 
user457812
LINE.app?
 
WOW seriously, that is so weird borrrden
 
user457812
4:57 AM
Meh, Akira >_>
 
Line started as a messaging app with a few cute stickers (so immediately Japan was hooked)
Now it has a mountain library of stickers and games that tie into your profile (i.e. social gaming experience)
 
Indonesians and Chinese also hooked immidiately.
 
Also free calls over 3G, which is a huge bonus for Japan since phone calls are expensive
 
Indonesians has this weird tendency on free messaging apps. They kept using Blackberry long after everyone mocked them for not being able to play Angry Birds.
 
Still though WTF
I am calling the real reason for the delayed launch in Japan
Japanese developers haven't gotten around to making any PS4 games yet
If I can get my hands on one while I'm in the U.S. then I think I will
 
5:48 AM
hi
 
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5:59 AM
isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf ← Hmmmmmm.. I could probably implement this.
 
damn @borrrden that is ridiculous
I hate it when we are left out
nil: sounds like a good way to get a paper published
 
user457812
I can't even get my poetry or stories published
 
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user457812
Ah, anime.
 
hahahahaha lol
where are you submitting your poetry and stories?
It's not a bad idea to self publish
 
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6:17 AM
Various literary journals.
 
user457812
Self-publishing is nice for blogs and so on but I want my stuff in print.
 
How about self-publishing first, then wow the readers, then get print?
 
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Not really feasible with poetry.
 
user457812
The audience for poetry has largely shunned the internet thanks to things like DeviantArt.
 
user457812
In other words, whiny teenagers ruined it.
 
6:21 AM
True, I agree.
But not stories and novels right?
 
user457812
Either way, it costs nothing to submit to journals and if you get enough accepted submissions, you can eventually make the argument to a publisher that you should get a collection or a book done
 
user457812
Most of the short story collections you read, for example, are half composed of stories previously printed in journals
 
Hmm that is true.
But couldn't you also submit to Amazon or Apple bookstore and pay the small fee to get them published there?
Sure it's not printed.
 
hi
submitted 2 apps today!
 
user457812
@avi You've got write access. I need you to read the rules and acknowledge that you've read them, understand them, and will follow them. Do this in the next ten minutes or I revoke your write access.
 
user457812
6:31 AM
Just having them in a book store isn't worth anything, much less having them on Amazon or iBooks
 
6:42 AM
Why do you think so?
 
user457812
@avi Swing and a miss. Do not request write access for another 24 hours.
 
I think the point is to make it available for people to read
If it doesn't get into journals, then it's not printed, then people can't read it.
 
user457812
The point is to get it published somewhere reputable so that the right people read it and then you get more of the right people to read it.
 
user457812
People now do not read poetry — this is just sort of an unfortunate fact. Short stories are much the same way.
 
user457812
They don't buy the book unless it's extremely popular for some reason.
 
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6:43 AM
So rather than waste time on just making it available to people, I want my work somewhere that'll matter.
 
user457812
This is just how the writing world works. Self-publishing is more or less a mark of shame.
 
the button and textfield still wont move...ive been trying different things for hours...i give up for the day
 
nil: I disagree though, I think self publishing is like saying "Screw you, if you don't like my work, I'll show you that this is good myself".
Isn't it like self publishing apps? You don't have to work for EA games to produce like Angry Birds.
You don't have to work at Google/Apple to make good apps.
 
user457812
Except we've had things in place for years to say how good your work is. They're called editors.
 
user457812
Self-publishing an app isn't really very different. Look at how many apps utterly suck.
 
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6:51 AM
Very few of them are actually worth using and a publisher would've rejected them.
 
user457812
Some things worth publishing would be rejected as well, but in general, if it were finished and shown to a publisher and worth it, they'd probably consider it.
 
user457812
That's how literary journals work. You produce it and they either take it or leave it, or sometimes work with you on it if they really like it.
 
True, true. But you can't deny that there are apps from individuals on the App Store that are very good and worth paying for.
 
user457812
There, but again, most are terrible and good ones won't just float to the top on quality alone.
 
In literary journals, how would you know that they aren't going to rip your work and run with it?
 
user457812
6:53 AM
Because that's never happened.
 
Is the public going to know and shame them for doing that?
 
user457812
Literary journals are run by multiple editors who would be ruined if they even attempted it.
 
user457812
Many of them are run by graduate students as well, so the risk is pretty huge for them to steal something.
 
Right, I see.
I was planning on self publishing my book.
 
user457812
It's just never been a problem. They literally do not benefit at all by removing your name from a work when most of them don't pay you in the first place.
 
6:55 AM
I see.
 
user457812
Frankly, most of them barely stay afloat on subscriptions and run on budgets that make newspapers look filthy rich.
 
But when you hear stories like, forgive me for being so extreme, JK Rowlings being rejected in so many publishers before someone agreed to release Harry Potter.
 
user457812
That's how it goes.
 
I do believe that many publishers mis judge many works.
 
user457812
Many probably do, but they do it because they know what they're good at judging.
 
6:56 AM
So had JK Rowling decided to self publish, would it had turned out differently?
 
user457812
Probably.
 
user457812
Chances are you'd never have heard of it without extremely good marketing.
 
user457812
Self-publishing fiction is still vastly easier than poetry though, since it's doable.
 
user457812
Poetry is a dead market, really.
 
user457812
When's the last time you or anyone you know voluntarily bought a contemporary poet's book?
 
6:59 AM
I agree with you on the poetry market.
I do enjoy occasional poetries, but not enough to warrant me to buy a contemporary poet's book.
 
user457812
I can recommend books to people, but they'll never buy 'em. It's pretty tedious.
 
But. If it was a fiction work, would you self publish rather than journal publish?
 
user457812
Poetry basically descended back into the world of academia after the novel became popular. Prior to that, poetry was actually the best thing ever and novels were considered children's stuff.
 
user457812
I'd consider it, but chances are I'd get an editor and work with them and see where to go.
 
user457812
Then probably talk to agents and see what they say.
 
user457812
7:02 AM
At any rate, self-published writing has a long way to go before it'll be considered credible by most readers and writers.
 
Hmm, yeah.
I don't know, I'm also torn like you.
But I do think it's going to be big very soon though.
Especially when companies like Amazon and Apple are pushing it so hard.
 
user457812
I'd say it's big now but not necessarily viewed well
 
Every Kindle event, they kept saying self publish.
 
user457812
By the way, if you browse the iBooks Store, you can very easily pick out the self-published titles.
 
Have you read this article from WSJ? online.wsj.com/article/…
 
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7:05 AM
They're usually horrible genre romance novels.
 
LOL yeah?
 
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Can't, no access.
 
Huh, that's weird, I got access.
 
user457812
I do know of a guy who self-published a book and did really well thanks to marketing
 
From the article:
> Her total investment was just over $1,750 in production and marketing. Sales of 2,000 or so books have earned her about $11,000.
 
user457812
7:06 AM
However, his writing was terrible and it served more as an example of why you should never listen to marketing
 
> "Abducted" was a hit. "I sold 1,500 e-books in the first month. I was selling 12,000 books a month by August, and then 40,000 in September," says the author. Pricing her book at $2.99, Ms. Ragan was taking in 70%, or $2 a book—far more than she would have earned in a typical deal with a traditional publisher, at about 10% of sales minus any advance.
And another story:
> Mr. Kaufman had an agent edit the manuscript, a friend design the jacket and hired a typesetter in India to lay it out. His total investment was $1,000, plus marketing costs. His novel was released in paperback and e-book through his own imprint, Sukuma Books, to Amazon, iTunes, BN.com and other e-commerce sites in July 2012.
> "The King of Pain: A Novel with Stories" has sold only about 2,000 copies to date, earning Mr. Kaufman about $10,000. He says it isn't a terrible return on his investment.
But I do realise that for every one of those stories, there are 700 other people who failed.
 
user457812
700's probably optimistic
 
But I guess it opens the gate for the more casual writers, like programmers who don't usually write, to get their work in the front of some people.
 
user457812
That reminds me, there was one company that just republished wikipedia articles on Amazon.
 
Yeah, more like 5,000 failed writers per 1 successful one.
 
user457812
7:08 AM
At any rate, poets have it the worst, hence why it's best to stay in the established system.
 
user457812
Going outside it just means everyone thinks you're a whiny self-published teenager.
 
Understandable.
 
user457812
Bleh, need to go to the store tomorrow. Out of milk.
 
Living the life, nil.
 
user457812
Do have half and half, but I think eating cereal with 50% cream is probably heart attack central.
 
7:13 AM
Hahaha
Anyway, gotta go. Train in 14 minutes.
 
user457812
Ciao
 
and good mornining
 
7:46 AM
Ahoy!
 

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