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4:02 PM
yes
 
@codeMagic you're quitting smoking?
oh internet withdrawl, nvm
 
lol
 
Actually, I am. Lol
weird coincidence
 
Nice!
 
Just have been trying not to say anything to anyone yet
 
4:08 PM
you quit on 1 shot or only reducing?
 
Trying to take it day by day
I had a couple late last night with some beers
I actually bought some of the gum but decided to just see how I did this time without it
 
try to remove the morning's one, it's usually the hardest
 
Agreed.
 
Good luck!
 
wow nice
 
4:10 PM
do you drink coffee in the morning cM?
 
Super good luck cM - Well worth doing
 
Thanks, guys
A lot less now, Carl
I have my mug of coffee on my way in and that's been it so far this week
 
also, try to reduce your exposure to stress in this period
 
YOU CAN DO IT CM
 
4:15 PM
just think of all the money you'll save
 
Mehdi, lmao! If only I could
haha, Mark
 
XD
 
maybe a sugar-free lollipop would help to not smoke
 
The money will be nice but I'm more interested in being able to play with my kids more again
 
4:17 PM
o/
 
lmao
 
o/
 
o/
 
They do, Sarge. I've implemented several things including gum, sunflower seeds, and twizzlers. Trying to take walk breaks instead of smoke breaks
 
whoa, I am trying to quit too cM. more for blood pressure reasons. But I like your money reason too!
 
4:18 PM
I quit 5 months ago
 
good luck petey
 
ty
 
gum is an error in gym?
 
I quit 600 years ago.
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congratz mehdi
 
4:18 PM
Thank you! :D
 
LOL
 
first world problems
 
XD
 
lol carl
 
4:19 PM
In 4 days I've spent at least 10 hours, 6 minutes, 41 seconds listening to HSM. Plus the movies.
 
high speed motor?
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A non sequitur (English pronunciation: /ˌnɒnˈsɛkwᵻtər/; Classical Latin: [noːn ˈsɛkᶣɪtʊr] "it does not follow") is a conversational and literary device, often used for comedic purposes. It is something said that, because of its apparent lack of meaning relative to what preceded it, seems absurd to the point of being humorous or confusing. This use of the term is distinct from the non sequitur in logic, where it is a fallacy. == Etymology == Literally, the expression is Latin for "it does not follow." It comes from the words "non" meaning not, and the deponent verb sequor, sequi, secutus sum meaning...
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or what is it
 
XD
 
Dx
 
4:21 PM
Did you used to smoke inside with your kids cM?
 
@petey awesome! Blood pressure is another big reason for me, as well
Graeme, nope. Always outside
 
So them saying you're stinky is probably a big thing too
 
They actually don't mention that
 
if they got used to smoke, that would be even worse
 
But my daughter does keep telling me to quit
 
4:23 PM
well then go ahead
 
actually the smoke that goes outside (not filtered) is the most harmful part
 
Yeah, growing up with two living parents is probably ideal
 
^^
 
Or, since it's 2017, three or four living parents if you are polyamorous.
 
4:25 PM
or one parent and one or more interfaces if you are a in JVM
 
I don't know what could be the psychological effect on a kid if he has 3 or 4 parents (too much references/examples to follow and persons to please and listen to for him, maybe?)
 
o_0
 
Why would there be a psychological effect above having 2 parents?
 
as small as it seems to be, for a kid, listening to a parent is actually a considerable effort
imagine that x2
 
Dad, Daddy, Mum, Ma. 4 built in references. No different from a child growing up in a household with grandparents.
 
4:30 PM
Do you live in a Family Guy episode?
RIP James Bond
 
:D
(just thinking while typing, not saying it's good or bad or has an actual effect :D)
 
Code - Are you going for another non sequitur?
 
@TristanWiley you didn't answer though. what is HSM?
 
pretty sure he was talking about High School Musical
 
okay, thanks
 
4:35 PM
High School Musical
 
(Who says we have to let it go)
 
wat
 
@petey A coworker sent this to me. Haven't read it all but I know I've heard some of this before. whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Benefits_Time_Table.html
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@Graeme It's the best part we've ever known.
 
Step in to the future, But hold on to...
 
4:38 PM
HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL
Let's celebrate where we come from
 
Okay, that's probably about enough.
 
sigh okay
I honestly don't know which one I like most
 
cM - Does it include that if you don't quit you need to get your wife an extra husband AND a wife? Because logic.
 
If it does, I haven't found it yet
 
> Anxieties have peaked in intensity and within two weeks should return to near pre-cessation levels.
this was the toughest imo
 
4:45 PM
same here from past trials
 
seems tough
 
it is
 
i have seen many people try quiting smoking but failing miserably
 
nice motivation CF
 
:D just sharing what i have seen
 
4:48 PM
this chat actually helped me, so thanks guys :D
 
we dont know how we helped but welcome anyway
 
^ You're welcome, Mehdi :D
meeting time
 
cya
 
@codeMagic reading it now, ty
might actually print it
 
5:05 PM
I quit 100's of times :P
 
what are we quitting
quién más está cansado?
wait why did that post in here??
 
5:25 PM
1 hour ago, by trevor-e
just think of all the money you'll save
how much does one spend on cigarettes?
I'd imagine it's quite a lot
 
"The price of 1 package of Marlboro cigarettes in Seattle, Washington is $9"
although I have no idea how many packs you go through on average - it's different for everyone
 
well lets say a package a day
means 270$ a month
 
a pack a day sounds like a lot
but maybe it isn't
I've never smoked so I don't know
but yeah, if so, that's a lot of money
 
5:40 PM
my friend used to smoke 3 packets a day
so a packet a day is kinda not a lot
 
> In general, a light smoker is someone who smokes less than 10 cigarettes per day. Someone who smokes a pack a day or more is a heavy smoker. An average smoker falls in between.
 
How do I get Jekyll to generate my site on GitHub?
@McAdam331 halp!
 
o.o We have a meeting on Friday to discuss LGBTIQ2S
So... many... letters.... and even a number o.o
 
Psst. @McAdam331 tristan has switched back so you can sneaky switch
 
sneaky snek
 
5:45 PM
lol dave
 
oic...I have to enable GH pages in settings for the repo
 
on another note how many days can you live in US with 270$?
considering you have a home and without
 
o/
 
o/
 
@DaveS Meh I don't feel like going through the effort it's been ruined. :(
 
5:48 PM
depends on what part of the US. Seattle and New York City are very different than rural Kansas.
 
But it looks so nice
my graphic design skills peaked with that avatar, it's my magnum opus
 
If he screws this up again I'm banning him.
3
 
lol
 
lol
 
XD
 
5:51 PM
lol
Trevor
you're here
I read your post on optionals.
David Robinson on May 23, 2017

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You’re not alone, jclancy. In the five years since this question was asked, there have been over a million other developers who got stuck in Vim and couldn’t escape without a bit of help. Indeed, the difficulty of quitting the Vim editor is a common joke among developers.

I’ve been told by experienced Vim users that this reputation is unfair, and I’m sure they’re right (even I’ve gotten the hang of it in the last few years). I think there are two reasons it’s easy to forget how to exi …

 
lolol
 
lmao
 
:D
 
:D
 
6:01 PM
why do you need VIM anyway?
 
Vim is nice
 
I'm working on an AIX machine and only vim is available
 
its just a editor right?
 
yes, it's just an editor
 
or did i miss something?
 
6:04 PM
@Ahmad around $6/pack here. I'm a pack a day kind of guy. Sometimes more if I'm drinking. So whatever that ends up being.
I forget. But I've done the math and it's not pretty
 
180$ a month
@Code-Apprentice lets say for your own city
 
Goooooooooooood Afternoon Everyone!!! :3
 
Womper, you don't need a domain name, if all you need is play on a server
 
evening wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomper
 
@codeMagic ay that's very pricey :|
I have two friends who also smoke a pack a day
I don't really know how they do that on a student budget
 
6:08 PM
carl^^
 
@CarlAnderson less than 10 is a light smoker?!
wtf
 
yeah ahmad
 
nah, i also want to put a website - Mehdi
 
one of my friend use to smoke 3 packs a day
 
woah.
 
6:12 PM
gosh... so many 'o' CF xD
 
hehe womp more than yours :D
 
I have the free student trier for aws
and I converted that to my vpn
very fast and secure 👌🏾
 
androidapprentice.com okay...this seems to be pointing at GitHub, but not at my repo
 
based on OpenVpn?
 
6:14 PM
vpn?
 
or something you built yourself?
 
yeah
 
yeah for which one?
 
running it rn
 
In: 6.67GB :O
so you use it a lot
 
6:15 PM
that's only the last two days
 
wow :D
 
tbh I just forget to turn it off
so that's just my normal browsing
 
cuz I keep putting a dash in between the words!
 
ah :D
 
6:16 PM
but tbh I don't know how you could even trace that if the traffic is over ssl
@Code-Apprentice get a letsencrypt cert
 
what's that?
 
I'm not sure you can, but you should remove the messages about that
 
Ahmad, you can do it much cheaper if you say buy cheaper brands or roll your own
That figure was for popular brands
But I don't suggest it
 
donate that money to charity
 
6:18 PM
I have on AWS an Nginx and Jetty servers and a Git repo
(on a micro instance)
 
@Ahmad What do I need a cert for?
 
:O
 
:o
 
:o
 
so much web big words
 
6:20 PM
@Code-Apprentice why not? it's free and gives you credibility
 
I'm so tired
 
of life
 
that escalated quickly XD
 
xD
 
truth
 
6:28 PM
D:
 
Fighting the urge to go downstairs and buy a coca cola but I'm really thirsty
 
I thought you meant tried of tristan
 
@Ahmad how does it give credibility?
 
I've been tired of Tristan for years.
 
dump him
 
6:29 PM
meh
 
@Code-Apprentice people tend to trust and like websites running over https
 
secure badge
also your website is then encrypted dammit
you are nerds
 
:O
 
you shouldn't be fighting encryption
 
encryption is life
 
6:31 PM
:O
 
@Ahmad I'm not fighting. I'm gathering information.
nerd == learn all the things
 
@McAdam331 did you face any problem using databinding with kotlin
 
I haven't tried yet
I'll put that on my list.
 
I need to go update one of my posts though I forgot brb
 
6:38 PM
something to make your life interesting adam
 
hmm. i just tried with a google sample and i was able to generate the databinding code i can see it in the generated folder. But when running the apps it shows unresolved references.
 
@Marc Welcome. Please read the room rules.
 
Thanks
 
And i went to through some stackoverflow posts and that din't help using kapt..
 
Unresolved references to what?
 
6:42 PM
wait. i will post a screen shot
 
I have read and understood the rules
 
welcome
 
Please forgive me that my first post was "Thanks"
 
np
that is just to test that you do indeed read the rules
 
I figured, lol.
Anyways, I was just checking this stuff out. I don't really have anything to say so I'll just lurk.
 
6:46 PM
Don't worry too much about the first message, that happens all the time because people tend to acknowledge being admitted before actually clicking the link. We only give you a hard time if you continued to ignore it. ;P
Feel free to lurk and talk about whatever. We don't talk about just Android in here. We're one big happy family and sometimes talk about other things like bromance, China team, and cat gifs. Welcome!
 
or realm?
 
Oh right, that too.
 
or if time permits about android and kotlin
 
Where are you from, Marc? Are you a full time Android dev or just a hobbyist?
 
your land adam
 
6:49 PM
@Raghunandan Strange, almost seems like Gradle isn't pulling down the dependency properly? I'll have to try this out soon.
Don't make me sing, CF.
 
lol he is from your land
 
sure.
 
This land is your land, this land is my land, this land was made for you and me! whistles in freedom
 
:) world without borders
 
no matter which AS version i try 1.5.1 comes out on top everytime
rest all version sucks
 
6:56 PM
I am from Nebraska in the US. I was a professional Android developer, now I'm a "Mobile" developer and we're trying to figure out the framework we want to use for mobile. I went through the Xamarin course and got my Xamarin Certification, but now we're talking about React Native and I'm going to build a case for going straight native
 
nice
 
I am also starting to study in order to get an AWS Solutions Architect Associate Cert
or whatever the name is
 
Oh cool. How do you like Xamarin? I'm not a huge fan of cross platform products, but I've never given it a fair shot.
 
Well, Xamarin.Forms is nice for making apps that have little to know customization. Great for just pulling and presenting data. You CAN do visual customizations per platform by writing new Effects and/or Renderers, but if you're going to be doing a lot of that, you may as well go Xamarin Native...
 
s/know/no/
 
7:00 PM
I have seen some xamarin code its very similar to java. atleast you can understand it easily. i converted a xamarin app to native android app a year ago
 
since Xamarin uses C#, yah, it's similar to Java
 
Xamarin Native is cool because you essentially get 1:1 match of methods and classes. It's like coding in Android, just using C# and C# principles.
 
last i checked xamarin sucked
 
However, you do not get databinding out of the box like you get with Forms or native Android
You can use a nuget package called MvvmCross to give you databinding, but that is poorly documented and also they are biased with the philosophy that Fragments aren't necessary.
It was...unfortunate...when they told me I should really ask myself if I need Fragments when I couldn't get their Mvvm framework to work with Fragments.
Basically if you're going to tell me to make a decision between crippling myself to use your framework over using everything the platform has to offer, it'll almost always be an easy choice for me to not use your framework.
Hence why I'm going to try to convince the boss that we should be doing native development.
Sorry, all. Just joined and already I'm ranting
 
hahah
it's cool marc :)
@Marc does msft add these by hand or are they generated?
 
7:13 PM
o/
 
ranting is part of the room marc
o/ cyg
 
@Marc I think @DaveS is also doing that
I discovered the best facebook page ever
 
now I need a pretty favicon for my blog
 
@Ahmad Add what by hand?
 
the methods for the framework
do they use like a java to c# converter?
 
7:18 PM
Oh, erm...I wanna say I heard that the Xamarin team adds the stuff themselves, but I'm honestly not 100% sure
 
gotcha
there was talks about switching to xamerin when msft acquired the startup I was working at
but all of us android devs where like noooope no way
 
Everybody thinks it's some silver bullet for productivity and therefore money
Unless your app has a LOT of 'business logic' in it that should be shared, you end up doing more platform specific things anyways so you may as well go native.
 
IKR
that's the thing
 
One of my points I am going to relay to the boss is that the only duplicated code will be web requests and models/viewmodels
 
even if you end up saving some code by sharing it, you will have to fight so much platform specific stuff
 
7:22 PM
and the viewmodels don't do anything
 
yeah and with libraries like retrofit those are rather trivial to implement now
 
Exactly
Those are already done
 
square release a small javascript engine for ios and android a year back for shared code in js
that also looks really interesting
they use it in the cash app, and can even update that library without updating the app itself
 
I've started up a react native app and that is pretty slick
Unfortunately my web skills are very small so I'm trying to make up ground
but I'm looking to explore the react native app stuff and see what all I can accomplish there with js
also the reason I went on about this is because you have live reloading and hot reloading with that too
you can see any visual changes instantly after you press ctrl+s
 
7:46 PM
yeah that sounds pretty cool
but all the other parts of react native sounds horrible
I heard it's very hard to maintain
and leads to so much spaghetti code
 
I have no idea.
I like to do it first though to find out.
Also I was kind of awakened to the idea that javascript is inherently a functional language. I was told that trying to use OOP principles in it is fighting the language and causes pain. I'm wondering what I would think if I changed my mindset from OOP to Functional and did things that way.
 
yeah I learned that recently as well!
you can do lots of cool functional stuff in js
the basic functional operators are already built in into the lang
but there are also so many cool libraries
rxjs supposedly works exactly like rxjava
I was just watching this
so excited for kotlin because now I can actually do some functional stuff as well
 
what do you call it when text show above some content to let user know that content is new
in the app
like a floating new
 
@Ahmad did you work with someone from Dublin on the Outlook team?
 
hmm
 
7:57 PM
came across a random tech blog of an iOS dev for Outlook
 
does that person do android?
oooh name?
 
oh wait, he was Android
 
you can remove the name afterwards
 
I think he's Vietnamese if that helps
 
uuuuugh
 
7:58 PM
@cold
crap
 
crap?
 
I hit enter instead of tab
 
hmm can't think of who that might be
 
lol
Are you talking about like...a badge?
 
7:59 PM
hmm interesting, no don't know this guy
 

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