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12:19 AM
@MartinO'Shea I'm talking about the log statement I set for debugging where my socket actually disconnects. It takes 30 seconds after I receive the callback
 
12:30 AM
taps mic Is this thing on?
 
Huh, did someone say something?
 
crickets
Dave, I'm about one bourbon away from telling you that I'm tired of your shit
 
I didn't hear anything, Dave. Back to work, I guess.
 
Yeah I have this hearing aide that filters out useless people. Also, haven't heard from cM lately, he still around?
 
Who's cM?
 
12:53 AM
I have added all of you to my list of things I hate
 
0 results in your link anon user
not sure what you're trying to say
how did you even get access anyway?
 
1:21 AM
1 message moved to Trash can
Fail!
 
Dave! NOOOO!!!
 
Let's be honest, no one really liked him anyway
 
1:37 AM
It's been a while guys
 
o/ cJames
 
It doesn't matter... when the Man puts us down, we rebel...
 
makes sense
 
cM... you are the Man.
 
I know :(
 
1:43 AM
o/ hi CM
 
I still support your actions
 
 
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4:04 AM
Guys, check this out ^^^
 
4:26 AM
@Eenvincible yea :D, Lot of new information in there, but idk how much of it I should trust, I mean there are autistic programmers, with 0 social skills that actually make a lot of money isnt there?
 
 
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7:12 AM
Morning
 
7:23 AM
o/
 
7:49 AM
o/
 
\o
ahaha michael phelps and his gameface
 
Good Morning Everyone!!! :D
 
morning womper!
 
Good morning!
 
How's everyone?? :D
 
8:08 AM
 
"the difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits"
just read some email from our client and recall about this line
 
so 3 of us devs are looking for a new job and our department boss just asked us to help improve the job descriptions to get more young employees... irony at its best
 
im a young employee recommend me warren
 
8:25 AM
no, you use dagger
 
or butter knife
 
butterknife is ok imho
 
Nothing like 40+ hours of travelling because your uni messed up your visa
 
I just have no use case for it
:(
Sue them for millions
 
All in good time
I'm gonna finish this degree first
 
8:28 AM
you could have started, succeeded and sold a startup instead
 
And then take it apart brick by brick
 
My interest is 1% :)
 
I need to try out Dagger 2 sometime
 
Lol. I owe an old friend like 5% of Appaholics for coming up with the name
Try toothpick
I've been told it's better ;)
 
Have you used it though? :p
 
8:31 AM
Kinda, yeah
 
kinda?
 
We used it at Groupon since one of the Groupon people wrote it pretty much keeping our exact use case in mind
But since I didn't do too much work on the actual Android app I've only interacted with it briefly
 
8:49 AM
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, LINUX!
 
9:05 AM
who here knows a lot about doze? :D
 
@RaghavSood i need your help
VR
 
my battery seems to be worse on android n
even with the new doze
 
I am more interested in restrictions etc for developing stuff
 
9:29 AM
 
lol
 
@AnilMaloth how often to you want to get rejected again?
 
9:50 AM
@netpork dude that tweet's from 2014 >.>
 
\o
 
God dammit Warren!! Dagger is fancy, I wanted to be fancy when I first decided to use it, a decision I regret every time I compile my application
 
glad you regret it
 
10:11 AM
So you guys wouldn't recommend Dagger?
 
I definitively would recommend to not use it
 
I am using it
 
Well dagger is a nice idea, trying to get dependency injection done purely through code generation using annotations
 
@Blackbelt o/
 
Hey Tim, how is it going ?
 
10:17 AM
Client wants his app to work on android 6 devices, but the app is not really android 6/doze compatible, so I'm struggling, otherwise I'm fine :-) you?
 
I am fine, thanks
 
so confused that apps still didn't support android 6 when it was released a year ago
 
@Blackbelt pushing 100k rep I see :-) good luck
 
:)
 
@Bhargav any better alternatives?
I'm not using dependency injection atm
Only thing I'm using is Retrofit :D
What libraries do you guys use for every app?
 
10:22 AM
appcompat
 
dagger is an injector. If you don't do DI, you don't need it.
 
@MarkOSullivan94 retrofit, realm, butterknife
 
if you do, you might need it
 
is DI not recommended @Blackbelt?
 
I am using AndroidAnnotation which gives some rudimentary DI itself plus a lot of other stuff
 
10:22 AM
you don't have to use DI
 
Mark you need to first understand what DI is, and implement it without any framework libs first, its easy enough to do that with the application singleton that we get out of the box in android
Using a DI pattern actually makes your life a lot easier when you start writing tests
 
@MarkOSullivan94 it depends on how you like to work and what the requirements for the code are
 
DI is not a design pattern
 
I heard MVP is good for helping with tests
I'm not writing tests atm.. I feel this is going to bite me in the ass in the near future
Though are you expected to for most startups?
 
if your boss says so, then yes
otherwise no
 
10:29 AM
you should always write tests, it's expected from the developer not the boss
you should do it for yourself
 
my boss says I should not write tests because it takes too long
should I do it anyway?
 
At least concentrate on the important no-ui things to test. Core features, core classes, methods etc
UI tests are often just a "nice to have"
 
I've just been trying to develop the app quickly to get it out to the customers
Think once it's done we'll be have more time to write tests and maybe replace more code with libraries
@TimCastelijns are you using realm as a replacement to SQLiteDatabase?
 
> Think once it's done we'll be have more time to [...]
 
Im not using it as a replacement, Im just using it
 
10:34 AM
nope, you won't. You never will
When you have a customer, the customer never pays afterwards to get things tested
mainly for 2 reasons:
1. you need tests to fix things, so you are telling the customer you shipped the app with bugs -> bad
2. he has the app, why should he care for tests? He cares for new features!
unless your estimation for the app contains a budget for tests, you are limited to the plan/budget/time
 
We've got like 2 months to get the full version of the app out. So there'll be two months before the customers will see any difference to the current "lite" version of the app.
 
improved quality (results of written tests) costs more... simple as that
 
After that, I think we'll be able to have more of a say on doing more tests and that
The majority of the work for the next couple of months will be GET requests I think
 
use a testrecorder for the ui tests if you have time, good thing to learn and easy to add a test
droidtestlab.com is pretty cool
 
the mistake you're making is writing tests after production code makes no sense. You should write tests first, then code
 
10:38 AM
never heard of either
Yeah it's the wrong way to go about it but I want to try and meet the estimate of mid October
but yeah I think most of the work will be pulling data from the server and then just displaying the info on the screens
 
that should be relatively straightforward :)
 
> the mistake you're making is writing tests after production code makes no sense. You should write tests first, then code
can't agree on this
 
@RED_ Xamarin test recorder?
@TimCastelijns it should be! Especially if I have Retrofit set up instead of using HttpURLConnection now :D
 
no idea about xamarin
 
if you don't work at the project from the beginning, and you get a huge amount of legacy code and you have add new features. the only safe option you have - cover current functionality with tests in order to not to break things with new features
 
10:40 AM
first thing which came up for testrecorder
 
well that is not the case here
 
in this particular, yes, you're right
 
@MarkOSullivan94 how about the espresso test recorder? It's in android studio already (preview 2.2p3+)
 
yeah
 
Happy Birthday Linux ! http://t.co/8KO1GCmNoN
 
10:44 AM
@TimCastelijns found this: tools.android.com/tech-docs/test-recorder
I'm using AS 2.1 atm
I'm lazy so wait for the AS debian package to be updated instead of doing it myself
 
Word
 
you installed AS via debian package?
 
lol
 
AS updates itself based on the channel you have defined in the settings. Didn't even know that AS is available as a debian package?!
 
Not an official package
ppa:paolorotolo/android-studio
 
10:47 AM
AS has its own update way, why don't you just use that?!
 
Kept losing settings for AS whenever I updated in AS :D
 
afaik the preview build that includes a test recoder requires manual installation due to a bug in the patcher
 
you should always export your settings ideally to git
one click to import them back
 
RED, good point. I do exactly in this way - AS setting in github repo
 
good for teams as well, since they all share the same settings
i think AS has some sort of git thing for the settings built in
 
10:54 AM
yes, there's a plugin for settings management. I didn't try it, but colleague of mine did. He had some problems with continuously appearing new files in repo, and disabled the plugin. Probably he did something wrong or plugin is not perfect
 
ooo this IDE looks really cool alpha.trycarbide.com
 
11:15 AM
That looks pretty cool
Where did you find out about it?
 
not telling :P
 
Hacker News?
 
@WarrenFaith even if you weren't using the debian package, AS's own update scheme grabs from the channel you first downloaded the software from right? There is no debian package installation requirement for that feature
yea hacker news
 
no debian package required. You just grab the zip from the official page, extract and run the start script. Done
the rest is done by internal update process
and you can switch channels any time
 
if you want to pass a parameter to a header within Retrofit you use the @Header tag yeah?
for example in that case I'll pass the user's token
 
11:29 AM
yep @Header
its not a tag, its an annotation
 
you read about the git undo command?
 
What about it?
 
12:01 PM
isnt it cool?
 
12:19 PM
User error - Related terms such as PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair), ID-10T error (idiot error), and other similar phrases are also used as slang in technical circles with derogatory meaning
 
12:33 PM
Time to go home!!! x3
Cya tomorrow people!! :D
 
cya !
 
12:46 PM
Good morning, folks!
 
gm
 
morning...? which country is that?? dont tell me US and A?
 
1:01 PM
Ok, I won't tell you
 
It is a country where people care to write the first word of a sentence with an uppercase and they use ' to combine do and not.
@VeaceslavGaidarji you mean Layer 8 problems?
 
He's.. dutch?
 
no but I am interested in how you came up with dutch
 
> people care to write the first word of a sentence with an uppercase and they use ' to combine do and not
we do that :-)
 
1:06 PM
so does every non lazy guy out there :D
I just wanted to diss Bhargav for not doing that. I expect him to drop some "hll frnds!" every seconds from now :D
 
Lol
 
I usually don't correct people's grammer, just cringe a bit on the inside
 
My second name is Grammar Nazi... luckily I am from Germany as well :P
 
Cool, I was in Germany last week
 
lol
 
1:10 PM
bauchnabel
 
Kindergarten!
 
a triangle among circles is back
 
I am a FUCKING SQUARE!
 
fingers crossed im publishing the 2.0 version of the app right now wish me luck guys
 
DAGGER!
 
1:12 PM
lol i am FUCKING SQUARE too
@Bhargav gl
 
Please don't anger the German
 
hopefully I haven't forgotten my Keystore pass
 
lol
 
you are a fucking thermoapocalypse!
 
lol
 
1:13 PM
There's an anti square bandwagon? I'm onboard.
 
ah nice, you found the poem battle I had again :D
 
which poem?
 
@ColdFire is that a reference to the nose in between the glasses?
 
had a chat rap battle with Aksiom
 
1:18 PM
@TimCastelijns no that was the reference that CM from among all the circles is back
Jun 23 at 14:29, by Aksiom
You think you are the man?
Please, you are just a scam
Ill teach you some manners
so put down those war banners

this is a war you cannot win
you will just get seriously hurt.
give up now it is not a sin
or i will fuck you and you will squirt
this is nice
 
but but but
aabb cdcd
ewwwww
 
I prefer aabb all the way
 
lol
 
yeah or abba
 
DANCING QUEEN!
scnr
 
1:22 PM
oh baby
 
lol what is aabb or cdcd?
 
poem conventions
 
AABB says that the first line rhymes with the second one and the third rhymes with the fourth
 
btw why i wasnt there on 23rd Jun
i am here everyday
how did i miss this
 
you're getting old
forget things you have seen
 
1:28 PM
Warren, never heard of Layer 8, but yes
 
I missed the rap battle :(
judging by the quote, that was pretty awesome
 
i see i wasnt active at that time in the group
 
I only joined this week
I think
or maybe it was last week
 
> This user is suspended on the parent site and cannot chat for 13 days.
@Quang.Dev so, no?!
 
Maybe it was this week, maybe it was last week. All that matters is you're an android geek
 
1:39 PM
lol
 
I put my device in doze, and my service just keeps running
what is this
 
Magic?
 
Black magic surely
 
@TimCastelijns doze activates after 1 hour
not immediately
 
There is no black! Just african american!
 
1:43 PM
you can trigger it via command line
 
aah yeah didnt thought you did it
lol warren
probably the service is afraid of sarcastic Tim
 
how does doze affect threads?
 
or angry warren
Tim havent checked the behaviour
but in my app my service is foreground
so didnt see a issue
also my background was active almost 99% of the time
doze sucks
google implementation of doze suck
with all the improvement ART and all that crap still M and L and still slow than K
battery life decreases with each upgrade
fuck the battery saver mode
 
maybe for you
 
fuck the render thread
 
1:48 PM
my phone lasts like 4 days since M
 
fuck ART runtime apps open so slow
@TimCastelijns wtf really?
which device?
ahmad mcAdam o/
this calls for a dev rant
 
oneplus on bro
the battery life was always great, even with L
 
that is custom rom
kitkat - 2 days
L- 1.5 days
M- 1 day
K- really fast
L- fast
M- slow
 
o/
 
adam whatsup
 
1:55 PM
the days you mention are for your device?
 
yes
 
Not much, cold fire. About to run our update script for our apps
 
41 hours later... 4 hours still to go
At least I made it to New York
Sort of
 
hey raghav o/
i needed your help
have you work on VR sdk
 
Whose VR sdk?
 
1:59 PM
google cardboard
 
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