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10:00 PM
that's my layout
and I'm not sure I even need it since I think ListFragment loads a layout automatically...I should look at that.
 
What's the difference between @android:id/empty and @id/android:empty ?
 
afaik, @android:id/empty is the correct way
 
One is the right syntax, the other wrong?
I'm sure @android:id/empty is right...
 
> This "empty list" notifier must have an id "android:empty"
Looks like a typo because it doesn't even have @id
 
10:03 PM
docs have a lot of strange mistakes
 
either a typo or "pseudocode"
 
i sometimes think like it is some kind of a test
 
test of your sanity
 
That too.
 
well..back to some butterknife
 
10:04 PM
It's in the example too.
 
Android docs are generally speaking pretty good, except for the obscure parts.
 
<ListView android:id="@id/android:list"
weird
 
Ok, I'll swap them for the other one
 
I found a bug in Honeycomb the other day...
I'm pretty sure that won't work...
 
<TextView android:id="@id/android:empty"
double-weird
 
10:05 PM
Let me test...
 
yah, I'm thinking a typo because my layout isn't like that
 
Let'S hope so but it's apretty consistent typo
 
The example for ListActivity is different from the one for ListFragment.
 
I didn't go as far as running it, but it did show in the Graphical Layout in Eclipse...
 
with @id/android:empty?
 
10:08 PM
graphical editor is a separate beast with a mind of its own :)
 
Yep.
I still can't believe how fast it's running for me...
It just seems to get faster every iteration.
 
maybe both ways work?
 
camon
i vote this is a bug in editor
 
Yep, I jsut looked at it and they both point at the same file.
 
hehe
 
10:10 PM
I know @android:id/empty should work, I'm not so sure about the other way.
 
/Sdk/Android/sdk/platforms/android-21/data/res/values/ids.xml
I'll swap it anyways and test
 
I know @android:id/empty definitely works. That's what I have in my own app.
does grepcode.com only have Java code or does it have the system layouts, too?
 
I'm about to have the moment where I first have an Android app talk with a web server where I wrote both of them...
 
you wrote a web server? high five
 
Right now I'm working on the Mobile Cloud Computing with Android Capstone Coursera course, it involves writing a web server and Android app in 2 months that talk with each other to do something fairly simple.
 
10:17 PM
isee
 
If my app is one of the top ones, I win a free Nexus tablet. If it's really high up, I could even be featured on Google Play.
 
whats your app about?
 
It's a photo sharing service, in short.
 
not an easy task really
 
Not a terribly difficult one, at least for the level required for the class...
I might even use some code from my first Android app...
 
10:20 PM
Do you have to write your own API, or do you have to write your own server?
 
sure but another story for a free tablet
 
nana typing fail
 
Although the odds of that are really slim, my first one was very slow...
 
i understand he has to write both
 
Well, free tablet, but you have to pay Coursera $196 total for all 4 classes. You do get a nifty certificate when all is said and done.
I do have to write both.
 
10:21 PM
:) Very much typing fail. the keyboard is too slow.
 
expensive paper
 
Not too horrible.
And quite frankly, being featured on Google Play would be awesome.
The tablet, well, I don't care as much about that...
 
do you know someone who has been featured that way?
 
This is the first time they are trying it.
Google has promised to review the top 12 apps for possible featuredness.
There's the requirements for the project.
 
if you could give me a link to google promise...
 
10:24 PM
@Helmi your request for access is denied, due to your low Question to Answer ratio on Stack Overflow. Answer more questions and then you can apply again.
 
It's far too late to join in on that.
 
im probably much too old for that anyway
 
You had to take the 3 classes before this one. All in all, it's almost an entire year commitment to learning Android...
 
@Ahmad our rules page looks ugly btw
I hate the color scheme and layout
 
But I've learned a lot about concurrency, a bit about general Android, a lot about servers, and am working on my first server/app combination, not too bad overall.
 
10:27 PM
@CarlAnderson do you have a bot or really answer request manually? (sry had to ask that)
 
I might even know enough after this to consider getting a job developing Android.
 
this is surely good
i might say that developing a real android app is a very good excercise in multithreading
 
Seriously...
Ham Finder uses a bunch of threads, and more than once I've gotten myself in to trouble for not managing them properly.
 
We answer requests manually
each person that requests access is screened according to a rough set of rules
 
my respect
 
10:30 PM
it generally helps keep the room high quality and good
we've had a few people get in that weren't well screened, and after a while kicked them out
and it's rarely an easy call
there's just not that much information to go on - just SO profile, and chat profile.
 
i understand
 
we generally hope to foster more of a community where you can hang out and talk about anything (and help each other with Android) rather than being a help desk where noobs can come in and demand answers to their questions they haven't researched.
thus if your Q:A ratio is higher than 1:1 you won't get access
 
hehe, i guess my ratio is infinite
 
@CarlAnderson :0
no it doesn't :|
 
Of course, some people come in here and ask questions right away (Looks away innocently...)
 
10:35 PM
it's holo-ish
but since material is out now we could do some redesigning
 
it doesn't look nearly as good as this:
 
is bitching and ranting about google design allowed here?
 
sure
but bitching and ranting about Jake Wharton isn't
 
i can live with that
 
Ranting about Android is arguably the purpose of this room...
 
10:38 PM
the shot you posted looks like shit
 
^
lol
 
most of the screen is black
on a handheld device
 
I personally prefer light themes
 
ok rewording
most is empty space
 
10:39 PM
true, but what else can you fit in there?
it's only supposed to be a list
 
it's also probably a tablet's screen
 
hmm... is "u s e l e s s" a key word here?
 
or a phablet screen
 
thats no excuse
 
Who is this guy?
 
10:40 PM
pour more money in google
 
I agree
lol fu
 
useless
now i could say it
 
Okas, your name is Tomato from now on.
 
Lol
 
do you want to explain?
 
10:42 PM
N
O
 
then it seems i cant do nothing about it
 
Okas, it's ok, I don't really understand either
 
I thought you already called someone else Tomato
 
Exactly Tomato, just go with it, it will be easy after a while.
He left already, this Tomato is our new Tomato.
 
10:43 PM
nana == misterfu?
 
me too, Code-App
yes, nana is mistrfu
 
ooooooooooooooooooooh
 
im really happy youre having fun
 
You didn't know? :D
 
I figured nana was someone who was here regularly...but never figured it out.
 
10:44 PM
Thanks Tomato I appreciate it.
 
and I kept seeing Ahmad using the "fu" references...but it still didn't click
 
oh, he was just calling nana a fuck up
 
the disguise was good
 
well, that too
 
<3 nana
 
10:45 PM
I dun goofd. Am stuck in bananananaform for another half a month or so.
 
I might keep it, like the sound of it.
 
yeah, The_Mexican @Emmanuel learned that too
 
Who was that? Em?
I thought so :)
Anyways Tomato hasn't said anything in a while, speak up Tomato!
 
10:49 PM
My thought for paying for Coursera is simple. I've made enough money on my current apps to pay for the Coursera course. I can probably make enough from what I've learned to more than make my money back.
 
sure
 
Sorry, random thought alert...
 
but i think you leared a more important lesson
n
you dont need coursera in the future
 
git rebase -i kicks ass!
 
Probably not, but it can be quite interesting...
 
10:51 PM
we all need coursera!
 
I'm taking tomorrow off of work to work on music, I think
finally have a new song in the works
 
is git bad mouthing also allowed here?
 
I'm taking way too many Coursera courses. Not paying for most of them, but...
 
what do you play carl?
 
Git bashing is most likely allowed, but not particularly encouraged.
 
10:51 PM
Okas, at this rate you're going to supplant @codeMagic as the source of all hate...
 
go indie pearson
 
Okas, I produce electronic music
 
midi?
 
do you play or produce it :P
 
10:52 PM
I have a midi keyboard that I use to record notes
 
yes yes... all times hate
 
but I couldn't play my music live
or at least, not yet
 
we are at the same boat then, i too will never be able
 
did i say yet that git is shit?
no
i dont use daw
 
10:54 PM
blasphemy!
git is god!
 
it cant be
linus started it :P
 
ad hominem
 
sure
do you know him?
 
that's irrelevant
 
as a nord i say git is shit
ideas are good but implementation is poor
but it works
@carl this is all you?
 
10:57 PM
I haven't yet seen a Tomato with such strong opinions...
 
yes, I've written everything on that account
 
performed also?
 
define "performed"
 
voices etc?
 
no, there are samples in there
for instance, "Gentlemen" samples from: The Great Escape, Star Wars, and Pirates of the Carribean
 
10:58 PM
@Okas I don't peak under the hood enough to worry about the implementation. From a user point of view, it's great.
 
i took the first one :)
 
cool, yeah the first two are my best work to date
 

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