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12:08 AM
grr rotations cant be shown in the xml design preview window :(
 
clearly the answer is to not allow rotations!
 
:(! noooooo
roar!!!!!!!
 
12:26 AM
portrait mode-only apps on 10" tablets are the greatest invention ever
 
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12:41 AM
synaptic is doing a good job of randomly hanging itself.
 
apt get all the things
Didn't they replace synaptic with something new? Marketplace or so
 
depends on the distro...some have "simpler" package managers.
 
yep, there are lots of them. I meant the default ubuntu one
 
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They replaced it, but I still reinstalled synaptic
 
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But it looks like I'm stuck with apt-cache and apt-get again
 
12:49 AM
ACTION BAR Y U NO WORK?
none of my menu items show up on the ActionBar
 
Using fragments?
Did you call setHasOptionsMenu(true)?
 
no fragments, using appcompat library
I had it working at one time...but had to rebase onto the current development version
think I found the problem...installing to my phone now
 
never leave out a semi colon! lol
 
didn't have any compiler errors
but I had to call getMenuInflator() instead of new MenuInflator(this)
 
ahh
solved now?
 
12:57 AM
that problem is, yes
that's what I get for skipping steps lol
 
user457812
Ok, got most of the important command line stuff installed
 
yay!
 
lol
 
what you planning to use Ubuntu for? Android dev?
 
user457812
General programming stuff and desktop use.
 
user457812
12:59 AM
Or at least to transition to it.
 
user457812
Also, really, I might as well have just installed Debian 'cause I'm ripping all the Ubuntu crap out of this.
 
user457812
If it's not obvious, I don't like Ubuntu.
 
I'm not a fan, either
 
I think its maybe unity you don't like
 
user457812
1:24 AM
I dislike: Unity, Canonical's ties with Amazon, and pretty much all of Canonical's current set of software
 
Is that all?
c'mon tell us what you really think ;)
 
user457812
I don't have a complete list of things I dislike.
 
1:41 AM
gnite all Time to catch the bus home
 
2:25 AM
anybody here wants criticize some code?
I just want your guys' feedback (trying to get better)
 
2:37 AM
sure
 
2:47 AM
you should start using volley, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhv8l9F44qo
It'll make your networking life a whole lot easier and get rid of all that boilerplate
since you already understand the concept of a response callback, it should be pretty easy for you to start using
 
I thought that volley was an overkill
for this simple API
no pictures, for example
 
they spent a lot of time making it extremely robust and fast, so I wouldn't call it overkill just because you aren't using all of its functionality
 
I will give it a shot
as far as coding habits/implementations, any comments?
 
I wouldn't use a Utils class, since these tend to grow out of control as a single class. Use more specific classes inside the Utils package. Although it isn't a big deal if the project stays so small.
the API_KEY and things seem out of place there too, but maybe that's just for testing purposes?
 
3:10 AM
well I do not know where people usually put API_KEYs and such
 
It's kind of weird that you have to create a LabelApi object after starting a session, a more logical approach would be to create the LabelApi object, and then call a method like startSession on it, which may take a callback that confirms the session, or hits an error callback method if it couldn't start it.
 
yeah you are right
 
api keys would be different for every app right?
 
nop
well let me see
yeah it is different for every app
afk for a little while
(thanks for the tips)
 
no problem it looks pretty good overall
 
3:15 AM
cool! :)
 
Definitely agree with create the LabelApi object and then call startSession()
I might call convertStreamToString() something more concise readStream() perhaps? but that is a minor thing
 
Well, I for one prefer lengthy names over ambiguous ones
but that's also why I prefer snake case
 
snake case?
is that different than camelCase?
 
snake_case
weren't you here when everyone was hounding me for going against the conventions and using snake case in android?
 
I was here
I remember
also ugh, snake_case in java?
 
3:30 AM
java_convention_should_be_snake_case, lol. I don't want to get started on that though.
 
why? why even should it be?
 
whichIsEasierToRead
which_is_easier_to_read
 
camelCase. imho.
 
CamelCase (camel case) or medial capitals is the practice of writing compound words or phrases such that each word or abbreviation begins with a capital letter. Camel case may start with a capital or, especially in programming languages, with a lowercase letter. Common examples are PowerPoint or iPhone. Variations and synonyms Although the first letter of a camel case compound word may or may not be capitalized, the term camel case generally implies lowercase first letter. For clarity, this article calls the two alternatives upper camel case and lower camel case. Some people and orga...
 
alsoMuchPrettier
andEasierToType
 
3:33 AM
Wikipedia even has a criticism section for it
 
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I prefer snake_case, but use camelCase in Java because it's the convention and makes the code look coherent with the rest of the APIs.
 
interesting how the wikipedia snake case article is empty.
also from the "criticism" on camel case: However, a study that specifically compared under_score style and CamelCase found that camel case identifiers could be recognised with higher accuracy among both programmers and non-programmers
 
elegance.
 
user457812
We should really just allow all symbols in identifiers and mandate spaces around binary operands so we can have better variable and method names.
 
or all program in kanji
 
user457812
3:37 AM
No, that would just be a bad idea.
 
I was always told, if you can't say anything nice...
wait for nil to say it for you.
 
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Somehow I predate my own existence
 
I think kanji programming would be pretty cool
 
3:52 AM
snake case I find to be easier to read actually
but I've had java hammered into me so deeply and for so long that camel case is a hard habbit to drop (I even accidently use it in python code from time to time where snake actually seems like the norm)
 
well, it's most definitely not easier to write :)
 
thats probably true
although
I bet with autohotkey you could rig up something to make underscore easier
a shift key + space = underscore maybe
if you got used to that you could probably type pretty damn close to normal speed with it
 
4:09 AM
yeah, I'm gonna have to do that now that I think about it
 
I have wired up traffic light red yellow and green LEDs that I can control from my phone with bluetooth. Now I must take over the world.
 
huh, a real traffic light?
 
nah, just 3 LEDs
 
Hey, Everyone :)
Good Morning
 
relatively unimpressive actually. But I made essentially as a way to test out a more communications interface that will allow the phone read/write all of the IO pins on the arduino over bluetooth with simple plain text commands.
hey naruto
 
4:17 AM
still pretty cool
 
Naruto may I ask why you put your SO badge inside of the SO about page? seems redundant
 
Cool :) FoamyGuy
 
and a follow up question is it ever out of sync, i.e. the points listed on the badge differ from the points on the left side of the page
 
what up eskimo!
 
I thought of filling my about section and that's why I put that
 
user457812
4:19 AM
I want a recursive badge.
 
Foamy have you seen eskimos app? It is pretty cool and I bet you would appreciate it as well
 
Anyway I'll remove that. Yeah It's redundant
 
Don't remove it on my account. I was just curious =)
 
nil, recursive badge ? How can we achieve ?
 
hey lucky
 
4:20 AM
I have seen the spanish tutoring one, and an early build of a guttenberg e-book reader
 
Okay O-O, FoamyGuy
 
yeah
very nice =)
 
Foamy is an educator at heart as well hahah
 
Foamy is a mod on the android education google+ page :D
 
4:21 AM
Really?
awesome
 
fighting the good fight against Indian spammers
 
haha
 
eskimo, o-O?
 
Are you teaching right now Foamy?
 
eskimo, the app looks nice, want to learn spanish . and you gave me complete package as it's described there
 
4:25 AM
that is eskimo's app
and it is good stuff
 
I'm in a redesign phase with my brother at the moment
 
what are yall doing?
 
Nah, I basically left the tutoring gig =/
having students uninterested in learning was painful
 
I'm going to push out the gutendroid app just for Plato's Republic so I can get it on my portfolio, hopefully this weekend.
 
Yep, 100% right. I had some. , Foamyguy
 
4:27 AM
that was what I was about to ask
 
and I was asked by the company to do things I wasn't terribly comfortable with
 
It is tough to teach this already
let alone someone who doesn't want to learn it
 
and there were other frustrations involved, but I won't dwell
 
they wanted you to teach Windows 8?
 
lol nah
I wouldn't be able to teach win8
 
4:28 AM
you would have to walk at that point
 
I am continuing the videos
 
what is the next topic?
 
(hopefully for elective credit at school)
parse.com push notifications... I actually went through the whole recording and then at the end realized the microphone was unplugged =x
 
nice, I will have to watch that one
 
Guys time to work. Have got too many issues on my completed App from my client :P
 
4:30 AM
At some point I'd also like to find 1 or maybe 2 students somewhere in the 6th-9th age range who are interested in programming and work with them on a longer term than the 8 week courses I was doing
 
Foamy can we agree that there needs to be more government funding for teaching programming grade/high school?
see I am not a complete asshole hahah
 
and I will do it for free with the only requirement being that the student must be actually interested in learning about programming
couple hours a week
still not sure how I am going to find those students yet though
 
you need to mentor a couple kids
 
Can I be your student Foamy ^_^
 
why don't you post on Facebook
?
 
4:32 AM
there needs to be more government funding for school in general
 
lets not go crazy now ahahaha
 
we are really shooting ourselves in the foot by skimping so heavily on schooling
why don't I post on facebook?
 
hehe right. You raise things at government level lol
 
you are looking for a couple kids to mentor
 
making apps seems secondary to computer science fundamentals
 
4:34 AM
yeah...but the app is what people want
 
naruto you are certainly free to watch my videos on youtube. I think there are probably some geographical related issues with you being an in person student (it's not morning where I am at)
 
I think you start with the app
 
oh
 
tech moves too fast to not be skilled in the fundamentals for when you need to switch to something else
 
thats not a bad idea
 
4:35 AM
of course...but tricking kids into learning what they can do
is the move
 
I don't want kids that I have to trick though
 
tricky teachers
 
Foamy, I am not able to find your Youtube channel on your SO profile :(
 
I will find some genuinely interested in the topic and willing to devote time and effort to it without being tricked (I know they exist, I was one of them)
 
not trick...but show them what is possible
 
4:36 AM
@TheLittleNaruto youtube.com/user/Zobrombee
 
BTW, Foamy your name is really cool Foamy
 
it will easier to find kids that want to write an app than want to learn Computer Science
 
I am fine with it if they want to write an app
I am not fine with it if they think it is only a means to get money
 
Foamy, Lucky, eskimo, Guys If you have time please look into my question
 
The way a lot of the computer tutoring stuff (mobile especially) is market is like "Let us teach your kid how to make an app and then they can be the next zuckerberg"
 
4:39 AM
I wouldn't really care as long as they wanted to learn it
 
if a dillusion of money is the only motivation than they don't really want to learn it (at least in my experience) they just want the money
 
yeah, it is not a very easy way to make money.
if you work extremely hard it is a way to make decent money
 
if they don't have a passion for it, I find it very unlikely that any money will come from it
 
well they would have to learn it before they made money though
 
and even if it did, I am not interested in helping someone pursue something they aren't passionate about
I think far too many people in this world do jobs that they hate, I don't intend to increase that number
if extreme wealth is the only motivation I really find it hard to believe they'll be willing to put in the amount of work necessary to get anywhere close to it.
 
4:43 AM
if you are passionate about making money and you think programming an app is the way to do it then I don't think it is that bad
 
I don't think its bad either
but I don't have any desire to spend my time (especially considering I am looking for basically just 1 student) on someone who is not passionate about the programming.
I am looking for 1, if I happen to find 2 that are too good to pass on then I'd take a second.
I have seen both sides
 
why do you want a protegee so badly?
 
I bet if you looked you could find a family with a kid and money and they would just pay you to tutor him/her
 
I won't take money for it.
 
what if they paid you a billion dollars?
 
4:47 AM
Eskimo I have a general desire to help people learn. But more specifically I had one student who was genuinely interested in learning what I was teaching and was very talented. That experience was very rewarding to me. Seeing someone apply knowledge that I was able to give them.
lucky: doubtful
 
wow
a man of principle
 
I don't have a billion dollar offer on the table in front of me, so I can't say for sure how I'd react. But at least now I don't think I'd take it
I have a job for $
I am looking for other things from teaching
 
FoamyGuy The 2 Billion Dollar Tutor haha
So would you rather teach full time?
 
eskimo: Another big reason is looking back on myself in that age range I would've greatly benefited from someone older than me with knowledge and experience that I could spend time around.
I don't think I would want to do it full time. That tends to imply a classroom type job which I don't want
even if it were all 1 on 1 with ideal students though I don't think full time would work. Especially since I don't want to do it for money, but I do still need to pay bills. So I kind of need to have a job for that.
 
So I can guess No one is free :'(
 
4:53 AM
If hypothetically I came into a large sum of money and didn't have to worry about bills for the rest of my life, then full time 1 on 1 with ideal students sounds great though ;-)
 
so just take the billion dollar tutoring gig I offered you hahah
 
I think I'd feel terrible about it
nothing I have to offer is worth that much
@TheLittleNaruto sorry man I don't have much experience with google maps, and I am not terribly good at geometry.
 
I think that nowadays parents are creeped out by someone that would tutor their child for free
 
I have considered that
 
Thanks Foamy, at least you look into that , No Problem :(
 
4:56 AM
I might try to reach out to some schools that offer programming and try to get involved there to meet and interact with parents and students.
 
hey Android!
 
@TheLittleNaruto are the polygons all rectangles?
 
maybe you can teach me Foamy why my Eclipse/ADT on Ubuntu 12.04 is screwed up after I updated it today
 
@eskimoapps.com it can be rhombus also and square or rectangale
 
I don't know yet what the answer will be. But I do believe it will be possible to find a student with parents who are willing
I can teach you that updating things always breaks them =p
there have been fewer times that I updated eclipse and ADT that it did not break things than vice versa.
 
5:00 AM
i know when I need to update when ADT stops working
 
so at this point I hold off until A) its absolutely necessar or B) I have a good chunk of time that I can devote to fixing everything that will inevitablly break
 
the update worked on my Windows 7
broke my Ubuntu 12.04
 
@TheLittleNaruto I think I have an algorithm idea, but it will take a little while to explain it and I need to go to sleep now so I can get up for work
 
@eskimoapps.com ohh! When will you wake up then?
 
I use almost exclusively win7, I have one laptop that dual boots ubuntu that I use only to fix a Raspbery Pi SD card if I mess it up enough that the pi won't boot
night eskimo
 
5:03 AM
I will wake up and go to work, then come back and do a phone interview. Then maybe I will get to write out the algorithm, but beggars can't be choosers ;)
g'night
 
Lolz
G'Night
 
I am heading out for the night too actually
later guys
 
later, Foamy :)
I subscribed to your channel Foamy O-O
 
5:18 AM
Anyone here ever did the InAppPurchase in Android ?
I did but I have to sign the application everytime to test it and even I can't debug it
 
5:48 AM
\o
 
6:06 AM
o/
 
6:17 AM
Ahmad do you have idea of my question. Afaik PersonArtPhoto did In App Purchase earlier. I will ask when he is online here
 
6:27 AM
No sorry never did in app purchses
 
okay..but how you are here today..I think its your school time
Do you also online here from school?
 
Have to go a little later today
 
ohh okay
 
7:35 AM
Morning
 
Morning, Andres
So I got first comment for my question finally ^_^ It took two days
 
Congratz
 
Though He is asking for more description. I just told for what I am looking ATM
 
link to Q
 
7:51 AM
@AndersMetnik Here
 
no ping needed for another time :)
 
I know that , Anders :)
 
That ain't really a programming issue Naruto
That's maybe why very few is answering.
It's a mathmatical issue
 
8:29 AM
Yes right, Anders. That's why I have added "polygon" tag also. Do I need to add "geometry" tag also ?
 
No basicly you shouldn't have posted it on stackoverflow
 
But It's related to google map also . So I have posted it on SO not in mathoverflow. I did ask in respective room(maths) for the same, but dint get response as per need
 
And try to precise your question, you have a lot of unnecessary information in your question.
Isn't it basicly broken down to this:
Polygon with a certain area size [size interval] into even fixed size areas
Naruto, god i hate that name, but that's another side of it.

Break it down.
First figure out the math. Then you can start implementing it.
It's the abc of programming.
You didn't get the response because it's a vague question that doesn't show any initiative from your side
Basicly what i read from your questions is:
"I saw this in another app, how do i make it"
 
SO I have to do some changes.
Yes I have tried but this what I am not very close to maths any more. So couldn't make it.
 
What ?
 
8:39 AM
Actually I dint come up with any idea how to achieve this. What I tried is to find the center of the poygon so that I can divide it into halves
Then it'll goes iteratively
But in the end I just made the equation worst , and became confused
 
So what are we discussing right now?
Or are you just making my point for me, that you should have asked this questiong on mathoverflow ?
 
Yeah! I should have asked on mathoverflow
that's what I concluded now.
 
Okay, delete your question, and create one on mathoverflow, where you only ask the precise question
 
Will it be good to delete the question ? We can let it go and can ask another on math overflow? What you think ?
 
I'd delete it
 
8:51 AM
Okay. :) Thanks Anders for guiding me :)
Anders, there ?
 
somewhat, I'm working
 
Okay Sorry. Please carry on.
 
just ask, I'll answer when time
 
Okay Thanks :) Actually I got an answer, But I am unable to understand it :(
I did get it. But I wanted to tell him how to get the equation for the same Algo as he suggested
 
on so or math?
 
9:00 AM
on so
I was going to delete it, but he answered already
 
Thanks :)
 
What you are doing is definitely not easy, so it'll take a lot of reading and math to do this.
 
hey there
 
Hey OcuS
 
9:04 AM
 
Hey OcuS
 
9:31 AM
For a guy like me(who has been quite away from maths for many days), Sure it will take time, Anders
 
Yeah it's beyond my present skills as well ;)
 
hahaha
Let's see how long it's going to take :)
Heya, Warren :)
 
9:47 AM
\o/
,o,
gnihihi
 
geeks :P
 
Hey Warren
 
hey Williams
 
Whats up?
 
I am reading a very long mail from a customer that confuses me a bit... it is about a yet to be defined API
 
9:55 AM
First time you are being confused by a customer ? :P
 
no, I never even started counting :D
 
It's better counting when you are NOT being confused by a customer, I think
 
ohh okay
 
interesting: devdocs.io
too bad there is no Android involved :D
 
I'm just doing testing of InAppPurchase using the demo test account which I found here developers.google.com/commerce/wallet/instant-buy/test-flows but not working in my case..it asking again again to add the credit card
hmm iOS is also not present there
 
10:01 AM
Apple would never allow something from "outside" :D
 
hmm :D
 
hello
 
hey Rezoom
 
yo!
 
hi Kman
 
10:16 AM
word AM
 
how's stuff going? you tah millionaire yet? :)
 
where you been?
no, not yet
soon
then one day I will be able to afford your rate
 
had a xmas vacation away from programming stuff ;)
sweet :D
 
nice!
where did you go?
 
I stayed home ;)
sent the gf away :P
 
10:18 AM
I think your prez wants to do our prez
 
prez =
 
om
pm
she is hot
definitely better than Warrens
 
You are not making sense right now, drunk? ;)
 
I actually am
 
Thought so, must also be very late at your place
 
10:26 AM
late? I would guess he is "still" awake
lucky is American, which means minus 6 to 10 hours -> would be 5:30am at best... or even earlier
 
Yeah? so its from 1-5 in the morning, isn't that late to be up ?
 
sorry for being so cool
hahah
 
user457812
@RakeshSingh Rejected since your answers are a bit lacking at the moment, though more work and you'll be doing well.
 
@RakeshSingh STOP IT!
 
user457812
@RakeshSingh Re-requesting write access is just annoying, it's not going to make me change my mind.
 
10:39 AM
Requesting access after being rejected is RUDE and totally ANNOYING
 
Rakesh is barking up the wrong two trees
5
I would love to see a double tag team ban
it might be too strong
 
user457812
@RakeshSingh Well, I was going to just wait 'til you improved your Q/A history and approve you later, but the repeated access requests are annoying, so I've put you on the blacklist. Cheers.
 
and now he will be forever alone...
You deserved it imho
 
hahahaha
not bad at all
and now he will be forever alone... STRONG!
 
lol
 
10:57 AM
Wow, this is the most awesome hack I have ever seen.... blog.fefe.de/?ts=ac2b1758 (first link a video, second a description, third the technical background)
the important quote is in English...
 

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