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4:00 PM
hmm, lxr? but I have to go now ... ^ ^
 
That error is apparently caused by using the same placeholder parameter name more than once.......which isn't exactly obvious from the error message.
 
@tereško your steam wishlist looks almost like mine
 
found something interesting, that you also might like?
 
found a lot of similarities, but there are a few games on there that I may have to look at
 
Exanima ?
 
neo
4:05 PM
which data does google bot crawl for indexing ? Data in the view-source(before javascript rendering) or the webpage after javascript is rendered ?
 
these days: both
 
Both, probably.
 
neo
but it stopped support for ajax crawling right ?
 
Not sure what you are asking.
 
@tereško that looks interesting. About 30-40% of what's on your list is on mine, or I own the game already. Or I've been meaning to add it to my wishlist but haven't gotten around to it. I thought it was amusing.
 
4:07 PM
:D
 
neo
I have one more doubt anyone have worked with cdn ?
 
@Tiffany do you have anything on your wishlist, that I might like?
 
neo
how does it work ? does It acts as a buffer between my server and user for static files ?
 
Anonymous
@tereško Nice. I can tell you without doubt I will use that for all my Symfony projects, unless I find major limitations..
 
better test it with one and tell me what issues you find, @samayo
 
4:19 PM
"Today, as long as you're not blocking Googlebot from crawling your JavaScript or CSS files, we are generally able to render and understand your web pages like modern browsers."
As opposed to having to implement google's special thing for them to be able to render the Javascript.
 
Anonymous
Yeah, starting from next month I will use it for 2 projects. That jump from untagged to v1.0.0 was scary :) @tereško
 
well, I managed to fuck it up anyway
next, RBAC lib (because I need it for work)
 
neo
@Danack yeah that was the confusing part for me also
 
It's not confusing to me. They scan your plain HTML. They can also now scan your HTML after it's been updated by your javascript. For a while they couldn't do that, and so had a special scheme to help ajax sites be indexed - but that isn't needed now.
 
neo
4:35 PM
@Danack I'm planning to use google chrome extension store like theme for my website.is it a bad idea considering google search indexing
i mean an article will be opened as a modal rather than another webpage for good user experience
 
Anonymous
@tereško I will probably make a demo app and push it to Github and will point you to it. The library looks neat and simple but the technical terms need time to understand.
 
Anonymous
90% of my problem with trying to use modern libraries is understanding the fancy words that get thrown around like: Bridge, ProxyManager, DataCollector, Fixture, ContainerAware, EventListener, EventDispacher, Collections, Inflectors ...
 
I tried not to use any fancy words
only term is "Identity", which might be a bit tricky ... well .. ok, there is also "Collection"
 
@tereško maybe
 
that doesn't look sorted
 
4:47 PM
> i mean an article will be opened as a modal rather than another webpage for good user experience
 
It's not. I also use my wishlist like a "watchlist" before they added the "watch this game" feature
I added games I wasn't sure I wanted, but I wanted to wait and see how it turned out, so I added it to wishlist to check back later
I need to clean it up
 
I use the wishlist as "wait for sale" list
 
yeah, that's what I do anymore
wait for sale, if the game looks interesting at this point, maybe grab it
I already have too many games... so I'm pretty stringent now about what games I buy
 
the ones closer to the top I definitely want to play, closer to the bottom is "this looked interesting, could buy for a dollar"
 
Anonymous
@Tiffany Because of you link, I just installed steam and created my first account ever :)
 
Anonymous
4:53 PM
Let's see where this leads
 
that's actually how I used steam for the first year: as a tracker for things I would like to play
and then there was one of the sales and I spent about 100€ for 50 games (basically, I just bought everything with 80%+ discount, from my list)
 
I need to improve the general quality of my own ^
... right now, I've been very good bad with clickbait indie games
 
@Danack your project manager (or maybe client) needs some stern talking to .. with optional beating
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
4:58 PM
Thanks, Azazul .. whoever you are :)
 
it's me
 
Anonymous
Hmm.. thanks. Accepted.
 
Anonymous
user: fractalesque - Show yer self :)
 
my recommendation is: collect a wishlist till summer solstice, because around that time there will be a big sale
 
neo
5:04 PM
@Danack I dont know what its called but its commonly termed as modal
 
@neo W3Schools should not be trusted as a reliable resource. Click here to read why.
 
neo
did someone coded it to the bot ?
 
@neo nah, @Jeeves did that by themselves
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I don't know its your website.
 
I know what modals are. I don't understand how they are good for user experience, except when presenting certain classes of error messages.
@Jeeves s/its/it's/
 
5:05 PM
@Danack A little birdy told me.
@Danack America.
@Danack I don't care.
@Danack Well a second ago it was a different name.
 
@Danack What is it?
 
Jeeves is having a stroke haha
 
aww - you broke the free form poetry.
 
5:06 PM
@Dereleased he is editing messages :P
 
@Danack No, that's not my name. I already told you my name earlier.
 
is the bot having a conniption?
 
trollface.jpg
 
neo
@Danack users dont like loading new page for every request.isnt that something everyone know ?
 
Wat?
 
5:07 PM
@neo For every request? I make users reload the page every time a form field loses focus
 
@neo that sentence, means nothing. nobody even hints at loading a new page for every request
 
lol
 
@neo even if that was try, that leads you to modal boxes, ......how?
 
sry, I'm star happy today
 
neo
I feel chrome extension webstore have a good UI because everything open as a modal box so that i can traverse through every extension on the page
no new tab thing
I will give a 90/100 marks for chrome extension store for its UI
 
5:13 PM
there are some steps one can use, between using modals vs target="_blank" all the things
 
@neo solid B+. What do they win?
 
neo
less data and http requests.
I'm a person who opens like 8 tabs for every google search results
but I have never opened a multiple tab in chrome webstore
 
@samayo woo
 
neo
@Dereleased also what about facebook video and photo modals
i think it have improved user experience by atleast 70%
 
I like that a modal reloaded opens the modal you were on full screen so you never lose your place due to location bar rewriting without explicit navigation. I also like that I can still middle click or alt-click-new-tab and have it function normally. these things are... well they're just fine with me
 
5:21 PM
!!xkcd 670
 
I feel it's more like 63.5% better
and I have the data to prove it:
@Dereleased here
 
neo
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well whatever :D
i just wanted to make my point more than 50% :D
 
5:24 PM
Objective standard: I have not put a mouse through a monitor in facebook-related frustration since they made that change
I hadn't before either, but this rock keeps bears away
 
neo
@FélixGagnon-Grenier "middle click or alt-click-new-tab " there are peoples still dont know this thing
i never knew the middle click thing for like 2 years after tab was introduced
when i figured it,that was the most facepalm day in my life
i could have saved around 1 million clicks per year
 
CTRL+L to jump to the address bar is also nice
 
F6
 
new definitions of lazy came to life
 
neo
5:34 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier was that comment for me ?
 
@neo nope, not directly. I was generally comenting on shortcuts, and trying too subtly to pick on @PeeHaa
 
"subtly"
 
I'm canadian sorry. sorry.
 
better
 
@PeeHaa beat me to it... even though I'm like five minutes late
 
neo
5:37 PM
well for someone who stays in front of computer for 14 hours these shortcuts are life saver
 
Hey @Jeeves. I have no idea what to do. Help
 
@PeeHaa Then don't do anything. You don't always have to do something.
 
@Jeeves I need something
 
@PeeHaa What do you want to get?
 
@Jeeves Something to do
 
5:44 PM
@PeeHaa Have you climbed into a dormant volcano yet?
 
@Jeeves No don't think so. Should I?
 
@PeeHaa Would you want to?
 
@Jeeves To be honest. Never have given it much thought until now
 
@PeeHaa Then think about it now.
 
Any of you guys familiar with The Knife?
 
5:48 PM
@bwoebi @Trowski Fixed the interval = 0 issue. github.com/amphp/amp/commit/…
 
@kelunik Heh, even better than the PR.
 
@kelunik "fixed" … you mean forbid.
 
@bwoebi No, fixed.
 
@kelunik oh, I was looking at the PR
 
Yes, the PR was forbid, now we have a fix. :)
 
5:51 PM
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@kelunik Was that the only remaining issue before tagging RC3?
 
No, EBADF
 
Oh, right. I was considering making the switch statement in the io-callback of UvDriver simply this:
            switch ($status) {
                case 0: // OK
                    break;

                default: // Invoke the callback on errors, as this matches behavior with other loop back-ends.
                    // Re-enable watcher as libuv disables the watcher on non-zero status.
                    $flags = 0;
                    foreach ($this->watchers[(int) $event] as $watcher) {
                        $flags |= $watcher->enabled ? $watcher->type : 0;
                    }
                    \uv_poll_start($event, $flags, $this->ioCallback); // Poll must be reactivated.
/cc @bwoebi
It seems counter-intuitive, but it does seem to match the behavior of libevent and libev.
 
looks good to me
 
Please add a test, too
 
6:05 PM
What's a good way to trigger EBADF? I was never able to reproduce that.
 
@Trowski use his script, and run it on a linux VM… with a like 10% chance you get EBADF
 
6:32 PM
ola, buenos ding dong diddily días amigos
 
A googily... doogily...
lol
 
6:47 PM
why is apache getting public network firewall exception rights even thought i havent accepted it
It ask for permission but I deny it yet it still gets the permission
 
@Trowski Just push it without a test.
 
Why does apache get the rights even without me giving it
 
7:04 PM
@user7594714 probably because you did it wrong.
 
how could i do it wrong?
Even when i remove the exception it gets back
 
@user7594714 I dont even understand what you issue is
what errors are you getting,what is the config etc
 
I dont want my apache server to communicate with the public so im trying to block all online request
but everytime I start the process it ask for permission to get a firewall exception which I deny but it somehow still gets it
 
7:19 PM
are you using windows or something?
 
yeah
 
sorry cant help you then
maybe you could edit you vhosts file to listen locally only?
 
halp, naming question
if I make a generic decorator, in what namespace should it go?
I am basically trying to turn this into a library
halp
 
7:54 PM
@Patrick how far along are you with your book?
Other email marketing tools like mailchimp?
 
8:08 PM
blah, maybe I'll get it right...eventually
 
@tereško are you effectively asking for a name for the lib there?
seems like it would go in the root of the lib namespacing
 
well, I already have a name for the library
and I even have a name for that class
I just dont know where to put it
and just dumping it directly in /src/ seems lazy
 
8:35 PM
@tereško let's put it this way: how many classes are there going to be in the library?
 
~ 20
maybe more ... lemme check my notes
@DaveRandom 29 + some exceptions
 
wow, that's a lot more than I was expecting
you got a public repo for it yet?
 
nope
it's currently a private repo, that I will be rewriting as a public one
 
A generic decorator feels like a "primitive" and therefore something that should be addressable in a short form, and something that is likely used in a lot of places
I personally have no issues whatsoever with a type like that being in the root of a namespace
 
yeah, but it is one of the primary "points of entry" for the library
 
8:40 PM
(things like \Amp\Promise)
 
but, I guess you are right - I will have to put it in root :(
 
I'm a fan of a) interfaces wherever possible/sane at library boundaries b) shallow as possible/sane namespacing for primitives
I have been writing a lot of C# lately where internal classes really are invisible to the consumer, and I feel like deeply nested namespacing is sort of leaking implementation details
my $0.02
 
@DaveRandom I think I can agree with that
 
that makes some sense
 
@DaveRandom com.website.www.util is my favorite one!
 
8:47 PM
I recently started doing DaveRandom\<libname> but yeh the Java convention is a bit ridiculous
I do have a Utils lib at work :-(
sometimes it's either that or a lot of repetition of sugar
 
Would you guys recommend linode over digitalocean?
 
I would say they both worked great in my exp.
 
@Trowski Just tag RC3 once you pushed that thing.
 
Wes
9:05 PM
youtube.com/watch?v=LeBKBFAPwNc relevant to the events of yesterday night
gn \o
 
so.. this is a server's cpu, apparently. ark.intel.com/products/64584/…. how exatly do those differ from "desktop" cpus? are some compute intensive tasks not handled in the same way? If one were to build a gaming rig from that cpu up, could it take the heat (coupled with capable gpu, of course)
 
/o
 
@tereško ^^^
(context: they're more or less giving these at like 50$)
 
9:06 PM
rushing through tagging ... sitting here is so uncomfortable ...
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Most desktop PCs don't effectively use more than 4-8 cores.
 
@LeviMorrison you mean, at an hardware, or software level (or even both)
 
(Since they don't thread or multi-process well)
Software.
 
Most Xeons do not have an integrated graphics chip. That space and power budget can be used for more cores.
 
9:08 PM
so, that would be more of a "you would actually not use the full cpu" more than "it will not be up to whatever task thrown at it"?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier On my gaming PC I run a lot of programs simultaneously and get the benefit of a multi-core system.
But if you pretty much run a game + voice chat you are better off with a lower core count but higher clock speed processor.
 
hmmm, right
typically, I switch between working, gaming, and browsing, with lotsa applications running at the same time. am I correct in thinking that each of these apps would then have more dedicated core time?
 
Personally I love high core count processors as a software developer as well.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Depends if they are mostly idling or are actively running but yes, the thought is correct.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well ... you cant overclock these, but they might have more PCIe lanes
I would have to really dig into specs to give you a proper answer
especially since I mostly sit on the AMD side of fence
 
9:22 PM
@tereško hmmmrly?
 
yeah ... it looks like 1800X would blow this out of water
 
I'm starting to think in terms of usability / future. Not sure how the lga2011 chipset would be used for other cpus someday
@tereško wat?
as in, the 1800x would be better?
 
it costs ~600$ and has compatible horse power
 
compatible?
so this is the thing, for 125$, I could have two of these. Combined with a suitable gpu, I think that could make for a decent gaming experience
... maybe I am just moved because I always wished I had a computer with two cpus on one board
 
9:27 PM
I am still unsure of wether multi thread perf is that much important in gaming. do game developpers actually leverage it (is it even possible)?
le article seem to establish ryzen at the top for single threading
 
you need multiple thread, if you are actually using heavy loads: think VMs or multiple application, each with separate thread-affinity set in process manager
for example, you can allocate a specific thread that is exclusively for running phpunit
 
aww crap. I was starting to think I had a clue, but then I thought of clockticks, and single thread already dividing cpu attention between tasks, and lost what sense of understanding I had.
basically, with more "threads", a cpu will stil divide time equally between each "process" that has something to do, but... with more magic?
gets back to reading
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier only in games with lots of physics or path-finding AI. Those tasks can be broken up into distinct threads relatively easily. But for most games, the core game engine is single threaded - and the graphics are done on a graphics chip, so multiple CPU cores are irrelevant.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier google AMD Threadripper and Intel i9-7920X
:D
@Danack DX12 actually heavily uses CPU
but only up to 4 core (it might have something to do with XBox compatibility)
... as a sidenote, I wonder who's the supplier of mushrooms for the AMD's naming department
 
:D
@Danack hmmm... so... is the actual cpu clockspeed not the most relevant spec to game performance? I guess it still have to... "put everything together", whatever that means
 
9:40 PM
on other hand, Intel's naming schema is governed by some robot ... or maybe a hashing algorithm
2
 
yay, full of pings! (sry)
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier depends on the game, and what it uses most. imo there's probably not that much difference between a $800 PC and a $2000 PC...
 
that depends on what monitor you use :D
for a 1080p, you are correct
 
And how old are your eyes.
 
And how old the games you play are vOv
 
9:44 PM
yesterday, by Danack
If anyone is good at spotting C cast/size errors......this code almost certainly has a bad assumption about two different things have the same size.
 
@bwoebi I fully disagree and I'm offended by your positive comment.
 
Aug 8 '16 at 15:43, by Danack
Oct 18 '13 at 18:24, by webarto
@Danack One does not simply find a bug in 20yo software.
 
I am nuts. Probably two nuts.
 
@Ocramius Nah, you're sane given the challenges posed.
 
@Ocramius we know
;)
 
9:46 PM
Two kinds of people
 
@bwoebi @kelunik or anyone else - Hypothetically, imagine someone was drafting an RFC to deprecate preg_last_error and json_last_error, to instead have exceptions for those errors. Does it make sense to the same for socket_last_error or are the reasons why that can error in ways that people don't care about (and so quiet with the silence operator), just too numerous?
 
@tereško maybe I'm just throwing money out for nothing, but whatevs, I bought them. There exists atx motherboards with correct chipset that look like they will survive the cpus. also, it's refundable from taxes, as it counts for "expanse for work".
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier worst case scenario: you will have CPUs to put in your NAS, or VM farm
 
@Danack I really wouldn't want to catch socket exceptions - there is a bunch of possible failures, only part of data written, trying to write on an already closed socket (by client) etc.
As a server I usually don't care what people get. It's the clients task to recover if the connection was severed
 
9:53 PM
but I would not build a gaming rig around those
 
hold mah beer :D
 
I just want to be quiet about that and free related resources @Danack
 
I'll begin by just, build something that works, ideally within a few hundred dollars, reusing my existing gpu
it really can't (and I meant it) be worse than how I presently run games
 
@Danack I imagine preg_last_error being replaced by an exception, but I definitely wouldn't replace JSON by an exception - I expect to get bogus data in json_decode(). In fact, trying to decode is checking the JSON validity...
 
@Ocramius just teasing ;)
 
10:48 PM
You are given a budget of 5000$ which is enough for hiring 6 indian developer months. You can choose your team size and the duration of development/maintenance phases.
Your goal is to spend all your budget and to break even in profits
You cannot write a single line of code.

What would your project be?
 
Ehm
what is 6 indian developer months?
 
6 indian developers for 1 month or 1 indian developer for 6 months.
and everything in between.
 
I wouldnt know what to build, it seems the wages are very low
 
@TomasZubiri go to the pub?
 
I think I would go with "finding a new job"
 
11:40 PM
Apparently with the pound collapsing a bit, it's actually not that much cheaper to hire indian devs than it is to hire British ones.
 
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