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8:00 PM
@Tiffany - not sure what is "easily disctracted" . I get disctracted from time to time of course
for example by talking colleagues, especially when smth interesting
 
@Darius.V has your boss commented on your productivity/performance, or are you just concerned for yourself? Are there any others on your team that you can ask for guidance?
 
@Ronny I am not sure what is "regression" or what do you mean by fucntion. Codeception tests I write in that way: do database inserts which are required to reproduce, call a method, for example POST to the API. Compare the response with expected data
 
@Darius.V I have a couple mental disorders that cause me to become easily distracted. I have to take medication to help mitigate my focus.
Trying to think of the statement I want to say, but the words aren't coming to me. :P
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom ok great, will give it a shot. Thank you :)
 
@Darius.V okay.. I have used codeception before.. maybe dont worry about it..
 
8:04 PM
@Tiffany - in this new company I work, I guess they said I do good. But in previous 2 companies they said I do too slow coding. But in this company I am afraid that they would not lie, to be nice at first months. In previous company first moths they also said I do good.
@Tiffany - and I am afraid to ask this - am I too slow, kind of like showing self doubts
 
just keep working on it
 
and if they say , yes you are ,and what if we have no idea how to improve?
 
Basically, I agree, it's to be expected that a certain amount of distraction will happen in a work day. Just as long as it's only lasting a few minutes, and then you're going back to work. I get distracted on a subject, and spend half an hour reading on it without realizing it.
 
keep practicing like before
 
If it's a software development company, there should be something in place to help you improve. Professional development for employees is important for any company.
 
8:06 PM
yea, it is soft dev corporation
 
Can you request training?
 
what do you mean?
 
And like @Ronni said, just keep working on it, keep practicing, you'll get better as you keep at it.
 
like ask some guy who sits with me and trains me half day personally or what?
by practicing you mean - do those tests for fixtional task?
I guess with simple database it would be easier and faster
so I would need as complex database as in company
 
This suggestion entirely depends on your company's political nature. If you work in a cutthroat environment, then ignore this suggestion. Sit with your boss, and discuss with him/her that you're feeling that you're weak in writing tests, and ask if there's any training you can receive that will help you improve in writing tests.
 
8:09 PM
or just risk and practice when I get real task
 
Wes
\o
 
o/
 
Again, it entirely depends on how your company's environment is. I work at a laid-back organization, so sitting with my supervisor and saying I need help in an area is recommended.
 
it looks that there is technical knowledge, but maybe I just do not know some strategy which could make use of same knowledge faster
 
Possibly
 
8:11 PM
so how long it takes for you to write test like I described longest?
and on what kind of system does it tests (huge, small)
 
I don't write tests :x ... I'm a web admin, so I'm basically a jack of all trades, master of none
 
if I am working in cutthroat environment, then maybe I should not worry but instead should change the environment :D
 
exactly
I couldn't work in a corporation where coworkers are backstabbing each other.
 
but from the talks in job interview it did not sound like cutrhroat
but just those comments from bossess like I mentioned sound not so good. BUt if you do not do tests, maybe you cannot exactly tell me what is long
 
so, if you feel comfortable, talk with your boss and explain that you feel like you're writing your tests slowly, and if there are any tricks or ideas or training that you can receive to improve yourself
 
8:15 PM
the thing is
 
Yeah, I don't know what is considered too long.
 
the boss tells things quickly often because he does not have time and then its hard to get everythign he says
and becomes annoyed
when I do not understand smth
:(
 
keep a notepad with you
 
and not feel good about asking too much
 
hello I am having the responsive issue this is the site.. http://tinyurl.com/j4gbo98

If I open site on mobile it shows grey rectangle box after the video..
 
8:16 PM
yea, I do keep notepad
 
anyone help ?
 
and ask him to hold on, while you write it down. If he's too impatient to let you take the time to write down everything he requests........ I don't know what to say.
@hellosheikh paste the URL, not a tinyurl.
the chat will already shorten it
 
yea, sometimes he stops a bit when I say I need to write it. It looks like he tells so quickly that I should remember, why I am writing. But there is so lot of information in that company that withot writing notes I would be dead
 
@Tiffany Thanks tiffany for showing the interest to my question
 
8:18 PM
@Darius.V I'm the same way. I have ADHD and bipolar disorder, so I have terrible memory. If someone requests something of me, I HAVE to write it down, or I'll forget in two minutes.
 
I do not know what those deceases are
 
imgur.com/a/9U65L is this the gray box you're talking about?
 
yes
exactly
I don't want that.. see the desktop version
 
the thing happens that he tels lot of sentences. lets say at the beggining I understand, then comes sentence which I do not understand but he continues talking , and then because I did not understnad that one sentence, the other following sentences are pointless. imo he should be sure that I understood what he said
before talking more
btw can this chat be read after some time or is deleted? for example in case my boss comes and reads it :)
 
@hellosheikh I almost bet you, there's a container that has a gray background color
 
8:23 PM
umm I can't figure it out neither I am very good in css. could you check through inspect element that how can I solve this issue
@Tiffany
 
You can open the webpage in Chrome or Firefox, put the webpage in its own window, then drag the window to the smallest possible width, which will switch to the phone screensize... you can use dev tools to figure out where the problem is
@Darius.V if you don't want the messages to be read, you can delete them, but you have a certain amount of time before they're deleted
 
Yeah I know this But I can't figure it out @Tiffany
 
It's safest to assume that this chat is not private.
 
oh but they are deleted
after some time
there is very little change that he will go to chat history if he goes there at all
chance
 
@Darius.V I don't think so... but I'm not a chat veteran, so I dunno.
 
8:25 PM
and I hope I did not write smth too bad
 
@hellosheikh I'll take a look and see if I can find it. The code is messy, though, so it's a 50/50 chance I'll find it before getting bored.
 
okay thanks
 
5 years and I still did not find a job where I would not to have worry
in every job I worry
 
@Darius.V forgive me for asking, have you thought about seeing a therapist? Stress can cause a lot of problems.
A therapist or psychologist, etc
 
yea, I did
 
8:28 PM
Did it help?
 
but I do not trust in them, they charge a lot
 
then find a different one...
 
@PooHee gonna go ahead and merge that PR shortly unless you have any objection
 
I once was , but not use at all. it looks that on interent I find free advices same at least
 
The reason why I'm asking/suggesting, is you're stating issues I've gone through a few years ago. Your mental health is extremely important in being effective at your job. If you're constantly worrying about stuff, you won't be effective.
 
8:30 PM
one of my friend say - thats not a strees, when your father or mother or sister die, then its stress.
 
Then your friend doesn't know what stress is :D
How a person is stressed over something, is different from person to person.
 
probably. bUt she thinks I am just some wrong man that every little shit is stress
 
Generally try to avoid politics in here but this is so retarded it deserves a special prize:
 
if your anxiety is affecting your work, I suggest talking to your general physician and discussing it... /shrug
 
@Glinner Those in Calais are there after spending £s trying to get to the land paved with gold, rather than fight for their country.
 
8:33 PM
maybe whne little bit worrying - then does not make inefective.
 
alright
I'd just ask your boss to slow down when he's giving you instructions then. Explain to him that you need to write it all down or you won't remember everything. Ask questions. Be assertive.
 
but yea, I rememebre in previous companies when I had huge stress, then I felt really inefective. but in this company also when I do not understnad smth and boss is annoyed that I do not understand then I get stress and also harder to think
 
is your productivity shot for the rest of the day, or are you able to bounce back after a while?
 
depends on how much stress I got
 
btw, how did the "I need to read any file" story end?
 
8:35 PM
because if your productivity's shot, then there might be an anxiety issue
 
@Tiffany I think I fixed it
thanks
 
@hellosheikh no problem, though I didn't do much :P
 
I used to go for a walk after lunch to reduce my stress. even take more time then is lucnh time , but hated it that then I have to go home more late
 
yup, no gray box on my side, good job.
 
but that was in previous companies
 
8:37 PM
@Sandro please stop pretending to help and go back to Android room
 
in this company I do not get as much stress so far as in ealier ones
 
@Darius.V see, I get into a routine, and then I get bored with the routine, and then I have to "change it up" some how... completely ruining whatever progress I was making with that routine. It's frustrating.
TL;DR: I'm weird.
 
:P
 
@Tiffany I did not understand what you mean, my english maybe is not so good
routine you mean - function?
 
@tereško what
what is the issue
 
8:39 PM
@Darius.V google def: a sequence of actions regularly followed.
like, you plan the things you'd do, in a certain period of time...
 
do u hate me @tereško
 
@Archer - ah ok
 
2 hours ago, by Sandro
format the HDD again
1 hour ago, by Sandro
lastIndexOf()
 
@tereško i gave solution
 
1 hour ago, by Sandro
foreach(take all the file with txt extention and loop through them)
no, you give bullshit
 
8:41 PM
what is the issue
lol
 
@Sandro i seriously doubt that
 
doubt what
 
that you gave a proper solution to anything...
 
ok, needed to be in bed 40 mins ago, bye :)
 
later \o
 
8:42 PM
i agree with Format HDD
because i was joke on this case
 
formatting the HDD is always the best first step to try in any troubleshooting
 
but about foreach(take all the file with txt extention and loop through them)
i was true
lol yes
 
ya know, maybe you should start by actually learning english
 
me
 
@Darius.V for example: I follow a certain routine in the morning, and I do it for two weeks, I get to work on time so on and so on. A week later, I get bored with that routine, and instead sleep in later than I should. Just little things like that that mess me up, because I'll get bored with the same routine every morning. Again, I'm weird.
 
8:43 PM
Engrish?
 
Please can we not resort to straight up mud slinging, thanks
 
Wes
> Support group for those afflicted with PHP.
people took that literally, i think :B
 
I did. :D
 
Wes
:D
 
@tereško have u seen any wrong in my English
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8:45 PM
wait, what part should we not take literally? the support part or the PHP part?
 
@Sandro a better way to ask that question would be: "What is wrong with my English?" or "Can you see anything wrong with my English?"
 
.. I just had to star it
 
maybe "have you seen any mistakes in my Engrish?"
 
i used present perfect
 
u
 
8:47 PM
@Sandro You're lacking prepositions.
 
Wes
m
 
Aha the problem is the word not tense
 
@Tiffany he might take it as you coming on to him
 
It's not just the word. The sentence would be confusing to natural English speakers.
@tereško rofl.
 
8:48 PM
@tiff it wasn't confusing. I understand what he speak
 
The structure is poorly formed because it's missing parts of speech that make a sentence flow smoothly.
 
I speak perfection engrish. have since I was birthed
 
@rabbitguy lol
English is a very wordy language though.
 
Wes
your english looks perfect to me :B
 
@rabbitguy pretty sure the past participle is 'borthed'.
 
8:49 PM
@Wes are u with me
 
I am surrounded by shitlords
4
 
just to support him, other than Mandarin Chinese, English has to be the most difficult modern language
 
Wes
yes, but i'm a shitlord @Sandro
 
I am surrounded by shitlords
 
8:50 PM
I think only @DaveRandom tried to calm any of it down .. everyone else just saw an opening
 
I tried explaining what was wrong with the English.... but not much to defuse the situation :x
 
I think u probably hate us @tereško
 
I'm going to suggest that everyone go do something else for 5 minutes and then come back and be civil
 
@Sandro don't take it personally. @tereško hates everyone equally
 
@rabbitguy that's a lie. I definetly hate @Danack more than @Wes (for example)
 
8:51 PM
I'm going to give some advice about programming: object-oriented programming is a tool, not a perfect end-goal.
 
equally
lol
 
@tereško lol
 
Wes
@tereško that's a lie
 
"I'm going to give some advice about programming: object-oriented programming is a tool, not a perfect end-goal." Victor Hogo said
same thing
 
Wes
how can you hate @Danack he has a plush beard
 
8:53 PM
@Danack So here's the thing about that: I am coming to believe that the only way that anyone, anyone can truly understand this, is to go through the phase where they have it turned on it's head and come out the other side organically.
 
The decennial occurrence of people wanting to promote OO as a means to an end in itself seems to be upon us again.
 
you know @wes brings up a good point there
 
@DaveRandom This person wrote this: yegor256.com/2015/08/18/multiple-return-statements-in-oop.html but he may be open to changing his mind.
 
I constantly struggle to wrap my brain around OO. Procedural programming is logical to me. OO is just...weird...
 
@Tiffany use Auryn.....it makes a lot of the weirdness not be so weird. Or at least easier to work around.
 
8:55 PM
@Wes since I am not attracted to humans with beards .. or people who can have beards, I really not affected by plushyness (or lack thereof) of @Danack
 
Mind you, I first learned about object orientedness in high school, over ten years ago.
@tereško do you like kittens?
 
@Danack wait, which person wrote that?
 
@Danack his argument in that article is that because java has operator functions in it, it is not a pure OOP?
 
I remember that thing
it's... weird
 
@Tiffany only with proper seasoning
2
:P
 
8:56 PM
:(
 
I don't know something in my heart says @tereško probably like me
 
you don't know something?
too bad
 
@Tiffany that's like asking "do you like animals" - the only proper answer is: only when it get really really cold
 
@DaveRandom that guy - he talked at PHPSC 2015, and other places.....not important. Just the general that "pure OO" -> desirable.
Also, full sentences.....so hard right now.
 
8:58 PM
/me is on his second beer
 
@tereško my Engrish compiler just shit a brick over your last statement
 
shitfaced i learned today
 
@rabbitguy I suck at punctuation
 
I dunno. I'm a softie. Show me cute pictures of animals and I squeal.
 
@tereško are u drunk
 
8:59 PM
@Tiffany that is one terrified looking kitten
 
@DaveRandom yeah, a bit, still cute though.
 
@Danack I'm confused :-/
 
"What is this thing you're sticking in my face?"
 
Have you seen Inside Out?
 
9:00 PM
muh cat in muh messy room
 
@Tiffany now taht I think about it a bit ... I probably should have answered with: imgur.com/user/teresko/favorites/xvgoYQU
 
That is a face that says "I will cut you"
 
@DaveRandom I've got a cold. Can't even.
 
@DaveRandom he's actually one of the sweetest cats I've ever met
 
@tereško I'm not attracted to that gender. :P so I would disagree with the statement.
 
9:01 PM
:D
so you see my pointy about Danack's beard
 
why i get a download suggestion for so.mp3 when i open stackoverflow rooms
 
@rabbitguy He's plotting your demise, you mark my words. Your days are numbered.
 
Wes
@tereško i don't want to live on this planet anymore
 
:D
 
@DaveRandom no, not mine... my dog's probably, but not mine
 
9:02 PM
@tereško fair point
 
and now I am going through my old favorites
it reminds me that I really want to see this book: imgur.com/user/teresko/favorites/D95wekv
(but nobody is gonna make it)
 
what is so_3.mp3
 
@PeeHaa so here's where I've landed on how to handle messages that are not posted because they are dupes: throw, and let the caller handle it.
 
omg... one of the first projects I had to do here, my coding still wasn't stellar best, and I keep having to add to it... it is so spaghetti coded at this point..
 
99.999% of the time, the correct action will be to do nothing, I think
 
9:05 PM
@tereško come up with a writing prompt, post it to /r/writingprompts
 
I wanna go back and recode it up bcz each time I have to add something to it, it takes me a day to remember wtf I was doing, but 20 classes and 8 libraries later, forget it
 
@rabbitguy you wanna see what I posted yesterday? Feel free to judge me.
 
after I left?
 
@rabbitguy gist.github.com/tiffany-taylor/e77f695cbbc7ff81142057999b730e55 This is why I should not give any PHP advice in this room.
I should just get better with Javascript and focus on being a front-end developer.
 
um....
maybe this is just me, but when I do PHP, I am PHP throughout the code and have it echo HTML instead of swapping back and forth between the two
I primarily do java development anyway... php is just a make shift scripting language I use on a few servers here
 
9:09 PM
I've already been told by @tereško to separate my PHP and HTML. But I'm using <?= $_SESSION[]; ?> for data retention purposes.
 
hey, does it work?
and do they pay you?
 
works -- technically, yes. as long as the user doesn't refresh the page after they've submitted the application... I still need to figure out what to do about that.
 
then I'd tell @tereško to have a Coke and a smile and stfu :D
 
no, he gave valid advice.
I blame no one for criticism, because I know what I write is bad.
 
lol... just felt like quoting Eddie Murphy there
 
9:11 PM
ahhh, I missed the reference.
 
writing code is like writing a book. You will always find someone who thinks your writing sucks
 
you can't tell me that isn't spaghetti though.
 
definitely, and you're the one that has to live w/it bcz when you support your code later on, you're gonna pull your hair out
"writing code is like sex. One mistake and you'll support it for the rest of your life."
 
the problem I'm encountering now, is since I did not properly integrate this into the vendor's code base as a "module," adding it to the back-end system to be used by our Financial Aid office is going to be a pain in the ass.
Because it needs a controller, model, and base.
brb
 
9:14 PM
in my three years working here being that most my projects are in Java, I've developed a good set of libraries and structured myself that now when a project hits my desk it's normally back out the door in half the time or less and very structured
 
IT'S OVER
today that is
 
What happened?
other than Thursday?
 
too much work related communication...now I am free... work is done... where's my beer
been working and talking about how to do whatever piece of it for hours and hours... it's more tiring to talk about it ...
 
@Ekin 🍺
 
:-)
that's it
 
9:18 PM
screw the beer... where's your joint/bong/dab?
 
nah, that's too much for "end of work hours"
beer is love
 
okay... let's compromise... how about a good bourbon?
 
aren't you from Kentucky? you tell me :-)
although it's a bit early for that too, maybe a bit later
 
I don't get drunk on my bourbon... it's too expensive to do that anyway...
 
/me bails
nn @all
 
9:23 PM
$70 for a fifth == sippin bourbon
 
night
 
adios @dave
about quittin' time here for me as well
 
Wes
@Tiffany you can improve yourself by doing both. php for instance is a programming language strict enough to learn programming the proper way, js has no landmarks, as you are free to do anything with it you will inevitably write bad stuff. also your code is not very different from what we do. all the presentation, tying stuff together code looks like bad code. you should focus on the model only, for a solid grasp about oop
 
and I have to clean my house when I get home on the off chance that my date and I return back to my place after the bar tomorrow night
 
Anonymous
Night Chris
 
9:26 PM
night all... see yas on the flip side
 
@Wes I'm trying to figure out ways where I can break it out into parts, where the presentation is separate from the business logic, but I don't know where to begin.
 
Wes
gn people leaving \o :P
 
g'night
 
@Wes \o
@DaveRandom I have |o
 
Wes
i'm not sure about the approach @Tiffany most of us started with grouping functions into classes. "domain objects" are often a good start, e.g. class Account, class User, class BlogPost, etc
 
Anonymous
9:35 PM
Off, night all
 
Same here
Noite, all \o
 
Wes
gn kids
 
11 mins ago, by Wes
gn people leaving \o :P
oh
that edit....
 
Wes
no comma :P
 
Wes never leaves :p
 
Wes
9:38 PM
^
 
I see...
 
@Wes We contracted a local business a few years back to custom write a CMS system for us. It's in a kind-of MVC format. The code I wrote is technically integrated into it, but not properly. The code base already has several "domain objects" but they're called "modules"
@Archer yeah, I thought he was leaving, so I said g'night. Then he edited his message :P
 
:P
 
Wes
a domain object is a kind of class, a module looks like more than that :D
 
@Wes I'd like to split my code up into a controller, model, base and a view, but without sitting down and looking at the code overall, and making notes of what I could pull out into functions, I don't know where to begin.
 
Wes
9:41 PM
and, you can use classes in your current procedural code. you can focus on the model only ignoring the rest
 
what should I look for in making something a class?
from procedural code
 
Wes
i wouldn't start with mvc @Tiffany you can do it wrong very easily, you should focus only on the model
keep in mind that model is a working software by itself, it doesn't need view and controllers to work
 
@Wes The problem is, I need to write an interface for the financial aid office to export the information into an encrypted zip file, and it has to be integrated into our CMS back-end. In order for the CMS codebase to recognize it, I need to write it as a "module" which uses at least a model, base and view.
 
Wes
well, things you can name, like "Person" can be a class, "class Person" add methods to it, like getName, getSurname
 
there's a Base class, a Model class, which extends Base
 
Wes
9:46 PM
as i said, model is completely standalone, the integration can be done "procedurally" externally. if the cms has that stuff then it's probably crap
 
then each module can have a Base, which extends off of Base, and a Model, which extends off the module's base
 
Wes
abstract class Model{} abstract class View{} abstract class Controller{} there, i did MVC :B
 
it's not great code, but it's better than what I can write. I'd have less issues if there was actual documentation though.
 
Wes
yeah if you want to actually learn, you shouldn't start with that me thinks
 
I don't have a choice, unfortunately
 
Wes
9:48 PM
just write some fun application if your free time, like a blog or something
 
I'm expected to have this project finished tomorrow. I have to throw myself in the deepend, I think.
X_X
 
Wes
:P
i need to finish this js shit tonight. i'll need liters of coffee
 
home time
g'night
 
Wes
\o
 
10:46 PM
I finally wrote a patch to move utf8_encode and utf8_decode out of the XML extension: github.com/php/php-src/pull/2160
2
 
Wes
awesome Andrea what other "core" stuff depends on libxml?
 
@Wes the XML functions
 
Wes
htmlspecialchars & co?
i wanted to compile a small php once, i was quite surprised that libxml can't be disabled
 
it can't?
 
Wes
nope
 
10:51 PM
huh. you can build without the XML extension, at least…
 
Wes
i could only disable xmlwriter/reader and simplexml
 
@Andrea did you verify that the behavior is the same if it's not iso-whatever encodable?
Ah nevermind
Of course you did :D
 
Wes
11:27 PM
if you have php/webstorm 2016 or better an eap, can you test if this js works? i.imgur.com/pLZvpi6.gif pastebin.com/ix3xJebV
 

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