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12:00 PM
my new project's name: Moron \o/
 
@Gordon I'm also concerned by the fact that he cannot spell "rinse" and apparently believes that face does not require any further cleaning than water
 
Who is that guy and why do we care? @DaveRandom @Gordon
 
^
 
Anonymous
@tereško agreed, really enjoying it up to now
 
Bob Dylan just won the Nobel Prize for literature
 
12:03 PM
47 mins ago, by tereško
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40017092/is-it-worth-my-time-to-post-to-stack‌​overflow-as-a-full-stack-web-developer
 
@DaveRandom lol
 
@PeeHaa I meant, I designed it to work that way. It did exactly what I expected it to do. I just realize now that the design wasn't optimal.
 
my questions gets only views or down votes :D
 
@bwoebi Fair enough :)
 
12:06 PM
@DaveRandom lawl
 
@Gordon what the shit is this
 
cough
my reaction exactly....
 
the volume of utter turds on youtube constantly amazes me
 
@Gordon lolwat imposter
 
12:09 PM
Admit it. This is your outlet for your your sensual anime side
 
No, my outlet for that is my monthly trip to Israel to touch up @MadaraUchiha
 
hah
btw haven't seed @Fabor in chat for a while
 
@PeeHaa pushed the fix
 
Awesomesauce
<3
 
@Archer He's busy with his tour of the crack dens of the pacific rim
 
Anonymous
12:12 PM
+ lady boys
 
hehe
 
http://ift.tt/2e2PYKN https://t.co/ZdSZoYyYT1
he seems to still be alive, at least
 
\o/
 
Nice guy balpha @DaveRandom
Still need to do some tests though :)
 
winner, well I'll work that change into that branch
iirc it's like a 2 minute change
 
12:16 PM
Should #67 be closed?
 
@Sean yes, I thought that was already implemented but I left it as I wasn't sure if someone wanted something else... I must have been busy at the time, I thought I'd asked for clarification but apparently not.
kill it
wrt. the !!voting thing, we can just !!command alias ... etc it
 
tbh I'm not even sure anymore myself what it's about ?
I thought I knew it
cc @staabm ^?
No wait. Wasn't it to get a list of rfcs with voting stats?
Currently we only show stats on single rfcs
Or am I being stupid?
 
Anonymous
Haven't read the context but you're being stupid @PeeHaa
 
Anonymous
lol
 
12:23 PM
:P
 
:V
 
:I
 
:wq
 
:X
 
@PeeHaa That would be too much of an info swamp imho
sometimes there are 7 or 8 RFCs in voting at once
Formatting that much info for sane display in a single chat message is hard
 
12:31 PM
Your face is an info swamp
 
Sexy Windows-Apache-MySQL-PHP
 
hehehe
 
Would anyone smarter than me let me know what this cipher review is trying to tell me?
 
!!plugin list tweeter
 
@DaveRandom Invalid plugin name
 
12:33 PM
Like, is it fatal-ing because triple des is supported in the cipher list?
 
@DaveRandom Invalid plugin name
Command endpoints for plugin 'Tweeter' (enabled):
[ ] Tweet - Tweets chat messages (Default command: tweet, No mapped commands)
 
@DaveRandom lol dat fails
 
wtf
 
Lmao
 
why the hell is it called that :-/
 
12:34 PM
Called what? tweet?
 
regardless, I'm going to bin the old twitter plugin @PeeHaa, it's pointless
 
Yeah. Bonsu points for renaming bettertweet while you are at it
 
@PeeHaa the original one is called "tweeter" for some reason
 
Also bonus points
 
@PeeHaa aye, will do
 
12:35 PM
@DaveRandom oh lol. Yeah that's me :P
 
Good morning, question in regards to suggestion. I am building for practice a REST API product, I wonder what is the best approach to this. I could do it in Java using Spring but I wonder is it possible / easier to build with Symfony?
 
@IamCavic If it's "for practice" why use a framework at all?
 
@PeeHaa it tells your right there, you are trying to use function that doesn't exist
 
@IamCavic gee thanks ;-)
 
well that is the same answer you gave me more or less :)
 
12:40 PM
@PeeHaa There's only :q! and ZZ ...
 
@IamCavic The difference being I didn't ask a question :D
I always use `wq`
 
So any suggestions? :)
 
If I need to change it I will get stuck inside vim
 
lol
 
Anonymous
@IamCavic You tell that vamp!
 
12:43 PM
haha :) I am sorry I ddin
didn't realize that wasn't a question :) hehe my bad
 
!!giphy vamp
!!bin
1 message moved to Orphan GIFs
 
I will do some work on !!undo today
 
Yes finally!
Noice
@DaveRandom Will it be a bit smart undo?
 
@PeeHaa Need to reboot, no idea how to leave vim. :P
 
:D
 
12:45 PM
@PeeHaa I just posted a comment in the issue about it
 
@DaveRandom Cool. Lemme read fine sire
 
!!undo on it's own would just default to the last posted message
 
of the caster? or the very last message by anyone
 
No, just the last thing that Jeeves posted
 
ah ok
 
12:47 PM
Hm, Elasticsearch is great, but I store classes as one document per class. If I search for methods now, I always get back the complete class instead of the methods that match the query. Maybe I have to split them into separate documents...
 
Then !!undo <message id or url> would delete the message if possible, and bin it if not
And it will inform the plugin that generated the message (not quite figured that part out yet) that the message is being undone, so it can do any cleanup
I'm not 100% certain how we track the plugin that emitted the message but I'm sure it's doable
 
@DaveRandom I've always seen that as part of the message queue
 
@PeeHaa what I don't want to do, though, is have the plugin need to pass $this to postMessage() etc
 
I see what you are getting at hmmm
 
Plugins are executed sequentially for a given message though, so it should be possible to track that state somewhere
 
12:50 PM
thank you all have a great day...
 
@DaveRandom Do we have a reason to execute them sequentially?
 
We bail out if we have a hit iirc
Wow. I hate basecamp so freaking much :(
 
@kelunik kill -9 always works :'-D
 
@bwoebi For that you need to leave vim. :P
 
1:01 PM
@kelunik well in the case of commands, it will only ever hit one anyway. For low-level events I guess not (there aren't many that use events anyway)
 
@kelunik multiple terminal sessions ftw?
 
var_dump($burns_when_i_pee) ---> STD
 
@PeeHaa I think that in order to have a sane implementation !!undo might have to be limited to commands, the only way I can think of to make it wider involves debug_backtrace() and walking back up the tree until $trace['object'] instanceof Plugin is true
Which wouldn't be fool-proof anyway
 
And fugly as hell
 
right
But since message actions require a room, it should be possible to figure out which plugin is executing for that room at the point where the ChatClient method is called
And it should be possible to handle multiple message actions for a single command by associating the events with the command's event ID
or message ID
depends whether you want it do undo actions that result from edits and original post, or just the most recent event
Will have to just make a thing one way or the other and see how it works in the real world I guess
 
1:10 PM
Yeah was about to suggest the same
 
@PeeHaa something that we could do with having is a std lib way to resolve a message ID to the room where it was posted
 
Anonymous
@Epodax wtf
 
Now various of the author, visitors choose no, the biggest macro — Jasdgr 3 mins ago
profound
 
@JayIsTooCommon I have absolutely no idea what is going on in that question but man is it entertaining.
 
1:13 PM
@Epodax wow
 
dont forget to cv it
 
It's even more fun when you consider that his first comment was something like: "Wtf is this?" before it was quickly edited again.
 
Anonymous
Downloading of the bed platform, the gate of life of the united states attractions? — Jasdgr 1 min ago
 
Anonymous
Very odd
 
I wouldn't mind downloading a bed platform, I could use a nap.
 
Anonymous
1:17 PM
:P
 
the account seems to have been purged.
 
@bwoebi hey, just wanted to annoy you about that PR in amp/socket :P
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier so ... how was Arcanum?
 
what the hell it's not even 11am yet... today's gonna be long
 
heh
it's 8:30
 
1:26 PM
also this is a thing now apparently
 
evenin
 
'nin
 
@Epodax you need to get purged ^^
 
1:41 PM
@Naruto Snap.
 
Anonymous
 
@TomasZubiri Read your question back like a person would who has no idea about your infrastructure or projects.
 
that was kinda fast, nice
 
That's what he said?
 
1:50 PM
:P
should've seen that coming
 
Yes, yes you should've.
 
Is this clearer?: File A is including File B. I want to modify File B without affecting File A. Is it possible to force File A to include a specific version of File B?
 
Anonymous
@TomasZubiri Sounds like an XY problem
 
Anonymous
But yes, that is clearer
 
1:55 PM
@nikita2206 oh, you already fixed onRead?
 
What is an XY Problem?
 
@TomasZubiri xyproblem.info but next time you should first google me thinks
 
@bwoebi yeah, long ago :)
 
@bwoebi So you fixed @PeeHaa's issue now, right?
 
Anonymous
2:11 PM
@kelunik his issues are beyond fixable
 
ugh, it is impossible to guess whether I should use "I" or "me" for when I need to translate "you" without any sorta nlp
 
@DaveRandom Wait, you're visiting?
When?
 
@MadaraUchiha No, I was just picking on you because there was some vague reference to anime
sorry :-/
 
You stink.
The correct response would have been "yes" while silently opening another tab to purchase tickets.
 
Would like to visit but kinda unsure whether I would make it home alive in the current political climate
And I say that mostly because a Jewish friend of mine was recently saying the same
 
2:16 PM
@DaveRandom Eh, your media probably makes it sound a lot more dangerous than it really is
Jewish friend who lives in Israel?
 
Heya people
I got a script that calls: " fastcgi_finish_request();"
and afterwards performs heavy imports
that take some minutes.
 
@MadaraUchiha no who lives in Manc
 
Sadly, the queries arent performed
Any idea why this might be the case?
 
There are events mostly along the border, but most of the cities are just fine
 
@Xatenev Nobody has any idea with the provided info :P
 
2:17 PM
has family there but yes, I don't really know of where I speak
 
From what I understood - I can use fastcgi_finish_request and afterwards do more stuff
@PeeHaa What info do you need?
 
how can i tell if a file was selected or no guys , knowing that i am using multiple option. array (size=1)
  'files' =>
    array (size=5)
      'name' => string '' (length=0)
      'type' => string '' (length=0)
      'tmp_name' => string '' (length=0)
      'error' => int 4
      'size' => int 0
 
@Xatenev Instead of relying on that can't you just use a background process proper?
 
Okay nevermind
It works
 
it's never empty :(
 
2:18 PM
It just took like 20 minutes for no reason
 
@zouza Gee I wonder what the error means
@Xatenev clipartkid.com/images/257/… that was rather large
yw
 
@Xatenev I will say this much: I recently found out about the existence of fastcgi_finish_request() and thought "cool" then immediately thought "actually that's probably a recipe for disaster". I highly recommend you redesign your architecture to involve a proper job queue
 
@DaveRandom Thanks for the advice - yea this is more of a hotfix
 
i get that the error means no files selected , but what if i more then one :) @PeeHaa what would my test be ?
 
because the loadbalancer dies after 2 minutes while having no response
@DaveRandom I wanna implement PHP Workers
If possible
 
2:20 PM
@Xatenev What is the background task actually doing?
 
Performing a lot of imports into a DB
doing a lot of expensive selects and inserting
 
Note that what you should most definitely not do is exec/fork/pthreads directly from the fastcgi process, for the same reasons and fastcgi_finish_request() being not-awesome
 
Yea this should be done by a command line script
and a cronjob probably
But yea this works for now
So Im happy :P
 
@zouza What do you mean?
 
@Xatenev Well I would say that what you want is a job queue a la rabbitmq or something, and daemon
A daemon which could be written in PHP
I'll just leave this here: github.com/amphp
 
2:23 PM
@DaveRandom maybe
 
@Ekin Workplace looks like what google tried to do with Wave. I wonder if it'll be any better.
 
Does NGINX handle redirects nicely on the server level? Like, with apache I need 4 seperate entries to define combinations of www and non-www, and http and https
 
dunno about Wave but with Slack and all that there'd be a high competition/whatever @Tiff
 
When you alter configurations it gets annoying quickly to have to copy and paste across 3 other vhost definitions
 
@Sean Define nicely?
What are you trying to redirect?
 
2:32 PM
@PeeHaa Uh, siteurl.com, which redirects to www.siteurl.com. www.siteurl.com, which redirects to https://www.siteurl.com. https://siteurl.com, which redirects to https://www.siteurl.com, and finally a definition for https://www.siteurl.com
4 vhosts for what should be really basic stuff.
 
@ekin huh, didn't know Slack was a thing. If more people in my department used IM (we already have skype for business), I'd suggest this.
 
We tried to use slack. It's an open office though so noone saw the point of it.
 
as it is, only 1/3 use skype, so Slack wouldn't worth it :/ might be nice to collaborate with some of the other departments, like PR (for me)
 
@tereško completely fucked. I have to fix something graphically, or it's unplayable. but I love the character creation. I almost couldn't choose :D
 
@Sean Those are only two vhosts
 
2:34 PM
@Tiffany skype sucks big time though.
 
Those should be*
 
I couldn't handle an open office. My ADHD would get the better of me in an open office. I need to be able to close my door to focus.
 
@Sean ServerAlias?
 
@Gordon but it's free for us... not saying that that makes it better, but it's an easier sell to everyone else when it's already on every machine
 
There's a reason www and non-www are one each, but I can't remember why.
 
2:35 PM
reasons :)
 
Might be because it isn't using htaccess rules to redirect, but mod_redirect
 
@Gordon Skype for Business is slightly different than Skype, fwiw
 
I'll give it a test over the weekend I reckon, see if I can't make my life easier
 
@Tiffany does it run on Linux and supports group video?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier worst case scenario: play it in a VM
 
2:37 PM
@Tiffany That's link/linq/linque whatever rite?
 
@PeeHaa Lync, yeah, they renamed it though
 
@Sean Slack (and HipChat) have many nice integrations though. And when you are on an open office, it can't hurt to have people chatting instead of disturbing others by talking out loud.
 
@Gordon doesn't run on linux, might support group video. We're a mostly MS shop, so it doesn't really affect us in that regard.
 
@Gordon Aye, I agree with that 100%.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier were you having issues with rendering? As in "black screen" only the bottom panel visible?
 
2:39 PM
We trialled it with PM software integration and a few other bits and bobs, seems really nice to use, and great to port code examples and stuff over with instead lof stupid email chains
 
@Gordon @Sean The only way I could survive in an open office is if I was allowed to listen to music with ear buds. I couldn't get anything done otherwise.
 
Members of the team just decided to not keep it open though, too much effort when you can just yell across the room
 
lol
sounds like a LAN party
 
Indeed, my earphones broke last month, it's draining some days. Also, not actually yell :P Just walk over and interrupt
 
And there are days where I don't want to listen to music, I just want white noise/quiet. It'd be incredibly frustrating for me. I guess I could wear earplugs though.
 
2:40 PM
^^ those are pretty good.
 
I love Shure earbuds
I've gone through two pair, the first pair lasted me yeaaaars
 
@tereško more like things would stay stuck in the screen. like ten years ago, when moving a window in windows when the computer was slowing down. the window would occupy the whole screen, never being "unrendered"
... but yeah. I didn't thought of simple vm
will probably do
 
My second pair... I dunno where they went... I'm debating on getting another pair, or buying a cheaper set of Sennheiser earbuds that don't fit like earplugs.
 
IT guy got me new keyboard \o/
 
2:42 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier oooh, what kind of keyboard?
 
mechanical?
 
is it mechanical?
jinx
 
heh
yeah. I was stuck with a US keyboard
after a time, trying to remember where things are is tiring
 
I'm the only one in the office with a mechanical keyboard. To be fair, it was basically my raise when I was given additional duties a few years back. It has cherry blue switches <3
 
huh?
 
2:43 PM
it's now just a normal keyboard; I don't have to constantly change keyboards layout to either program and see where symbols are or write a mail in french and try to guess where are accents
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier azerty is not a "normal" keyboard...
 
gosh no
you're welcome
I still haz qwerty
 
@nikita2206 must have missed that, looking.
 
@tereško oh, I wish, I had to pick out a keyboard from CDWG, the only full-size, mechanical keyboard they had. adesso.com/products/product-detail-124.html
 
2:45 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier /me puts pitchfork away again
 
Anonymous
@Danack much better I think gist.github.com/JayPHP/25214ed9bd54601e51f3d93223d8975a thanks again.
 
is #pitchfork a thing?
 
oh did I miss laughing at ha @jaaaaaay's code :(
@FélixGagnon-Grenier It should be
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa :P
 
2:46 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier naah. These days you just get accused of being *ist on twitter.
 
Good. I hate those list people
 
I wonder, why some people act as if "virtue signaling" is a valid ... emm ... mating strategy
 
ist? like... flat-earthist?
@tereško lol
 
I'm thinking more in terms of racist or something
probably.
or not.
 
@nikita2206 fast forwarded ;o) thanks!
 
2:49 PM
well .. you can't prove a negative
 
@tereško you can't?
 
@bwoebi thank you too :)
 
@bwoebi I can, it's just you :P
 
lol
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa though if you're bored.. I'm still open to more feedback :>
 
2:51 PM
well .. for example, @Andrea can't prove that she's not a witch
5
 
@tereško so we should just burn her? And if she is innocent we'll know ^^
 
@JayIsTooCommon Might have a looksy tonight
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa thanks sugar tits
 
@tereško She indeed cannot because she is :-P
 
lol
 
2:53 PM
@Naruto She isn't innocent. We have the commits to proof it
 
the only proof is to throw her in the fire, if she lives she's a witch! the good old days...
 
[remembered the issue]
 
@Naruto actually, in the middle ages there was a really good test discovered: witches floated in water. So we throw here in the hole filled with water and if she's does not sink, we can burn her.
 
it was a type of "trial of fire and water"
 
2:57 PM
@tereško OMG that was so funny
The entire thing actually
 
lol :D
 
@PeeHaa you google monty pythons witch burning skit ?
 
it made me look up monty python scene.. laughs ensued
 
@tereško I remember pissing myself laughing
Disclaimer: I did still smoke back then
 
@PeeHaa you still smoke today <.<
 
3:01 PM
Well yeah I do. But not weed anymore
 
Anonymous
kids these days
 
* almost not anymore
 
@PeeHaa like there would be any difference!?
 
ikr I don't need it to be cool
tnx @bwoebi!
 
yw :-)
 
3:06 PM
 
Tom's blog has some interesting stuff on - tomforsyth1000.github.io/blog.wiki.html
/even if the blog platform he uses is terrible.
 
Whaat? The smallest measurable amount is 1 day from my perspective.
Would hate for my manager to schedule my day in 15 minute blocks.
 
@TomasZubiri even quick little one-off fixes?
 
Do those exist?
 
Occasionally.
I suppose it depends on the scope of the job, and the duties of the job.
 
3:30 PM
@Danack, just read the post about the bug caused by a NaN, that's a great read
 
@PeeHaa so @Fabor ran into an issue with Jeeves a while ago where he had stored an object in persistent storage (not an invalid thing to do) and it came out as an array because JSON. How would you feel about changing to serialize() based storage?
I have a slight irrational hatred of serialize() but for this I don't see it really makes any difference from JSON, except it would let you store typed things, which seems like a reasonable thing to do
i.e. you could store VOs
/cc @kelunik @AnyoneWithAnOpinion
 
@bwoebi There's an open issue. You can just save the lastRead / lastWrite time and retry if it fails with lastRead / lastWrite more than X seconds ago.
 
@DaveRandom how many different things do you store?
 
well it's an arbitrary data store for use by plugins
so that's not really a known quantity
I can certainly see value in being able to store the internal PostedMessage object
there's a couple of plugins which arrayify that in order to store it
 
PHP's JSON handling sucks more and more because of associative arrays. If they're empty, you end up with an array instead of an object.
 
3:37 PM
Well that's why we currently json_decode(..., true) so at least it's predictable in that sense, but it breaks if you try and put an object in it
incidentally, have I mentioned recently how much I hate the fact that we have a json_decode() function with a bool arg and a flags parameter?
because I hate it a lot
 
@DaveRandom It's predictable either way I think. Just the JSON representation isn't.
 
@Danack Well... there went my morning.
 
GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2
 
@DaveRandom when you say object what do you mean?
Std thing or an actual thing
Storing actual things is bad
 
@PeeHaa ...because?
 
3:52 PM
Because serializing and unserializing them like that is a horrible thing to do imo and I am not afraid to punch people for that
For you vos case. Store an array and pass it in
 
/me is uncertain about this and will need to go do some more thinking
 
@bwoebi Hm?
 
Brb beer. I am going to give you some time to prevent capital punishment
 
@bwoebi Boring, thought they'd really revoked it.
 
3:57 PM
:-P
 
Any chance someone has already put an Elasticsearch client for Amp yet? I don't think so. :-(
 

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