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4:00 PM
@bwoebi These votes are forbidden in Germany for a good reason.
 
????
 
@kelunik The problem isn't inherent to the referendums, but how well people are informed. AFAIK Switzerland provides elaborate rational arguments for both sides (i.e. only true facts, no populistic promises) with a government recommendation in text form. And campaigning for referendums is much more restricted there.
 
@Gon Request is not a scalar...
 
@bwoebi Of course it's not a problem with the referendum itself. That's why they're only forbidden on nation-wide scope. It's all fine for state wide referendums.
 
Gon
Sorry
 
4:04 PM
any url to read abt it?
 
@kelunik how does that make a difference?
 
@bwoebi Mostly smaller decisions with smaller scope and less populism arguments.
 
@bwoebi Signals would depend on a particular loop running.
 
@Trowski I just mean like, you don't want to get problems either when you nest an EvLoop into a NativeLoop or similar.
 
4:06 PM
@kelunik maybe I'm a young rash unlearned dude, but the idea of forbidding referendums really angers me. They're trying to do that with manifestations around here.
!!? rash
 
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ok... that's not the word
 
@kelunik I believe if we ever get a referendum about Bavaria independence, it won't be much less populistic…
 
@bwoebi I'll think about solutions... but there might not be something that works with this. If an app wants to nest loops, it might have to just use NativeLoop.
 
@kelunik Just saying that states in Germany are still quite big…
@FélixGagnon-Grenier which word are you searching for? (in French?)
 
4:10 PM
@bwoebi something between irrévérencieux and impulsif
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well, there's irreverent…
 
.. indeed :p
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier rash is fine
noun rash != adjective rash
 
oh, right you are!
> displaying or proceeding from a lack of careful consideration of the possible consequences of an action.
!!wotd
 
remontant: blooming more than once in a season.
 
4:26 PM
@NikiC So, for watchpoints I need to efficiently diff additions to a HashTable. What exactly are the guarantees do I have here…? Is it enough to put an iterator pointer to the end of the HashTable and look later if there are any new elements after the end?
Use case is recursive watchpoints and I want to (obviously) not recreate all the watchpoints upon each change or do an expensive O(n * log n) sort on both HashTables … deletions are governed by dtor (and a list with which keys are dtor'ed to account for replacements) … I now only need to find new elements in the array.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I know what you mean though, and that is the correct word. Roughly meaning "blind" or "shoots from the hip"
 
4:45 PM
abstract class Entity {
    public function __construct(array $properties = []) {
        foreach ($properties as $key => $value) {
            if (property_exists($this, $key)) { $this->{$key} = $value; }
        }
    }
}
is this laziness acceptable^^ ?
 
dy … dy … dynamic properties ????
 
hmmm nah. just that I relent pasting that constructor in every entity class. properties are all defined in the inheriting classes.
this will actually not define any property if it isn't defined already, wouldn't it?
oh, you mean dynamic properties as in dynamic properties. not dynamic dynamic properties
 
yeah, not statically defined props (not the $this->$foo)
 
@bwoebi Not sure I understand what it is you want to do...
 
@NikiC Add watchpoints to newly added elements to a watched array
 
4:54 PM
Just looking after a certain position is not enough in the general case, as we may compact the elements
 
@NikiC I mean hash_iterator (like foreach by ref uses)
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I don't use public properties in PHP at all, so I'm going with no
 
what about protected?
 
@NikiC not the HashPosition; there I agree, but we are having special handling for hash_iterator somehow … I wonder what exactly that one guarantees
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier those would already exist
 
4:56 PM
I feel there is something I haven't communicated correctly.
 
@bwoebi in that case it might work
 
Without accessors and strong typing, properties are not really useful to me
 
@NikiC good, then I'm going to try that
 
@DaveRandom phpdoc is sufficient to be useful
 
class Foo extends Entity {
    protected $bar;
    public function getBar() { return $this->bar; }
}
 
4:58 PM
@bwoebi but there's probably going to be cases this doesn't cover. Thinking about something like array_splice
Though that probably creates a new HT so may not be relevant
 
@NikiC I occasionally use them for lib internals, but never for a public API. If something is going to fail because of a bad value, I'd rather inform about the bad value than start trying to do something and fail part way through, and I'd rather check values at assignment time than usage time. YMMV of course, personal pref.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier doesn't work for assigning with your property_exists() check though
 
@NikiC yeah, creates a new HT … the only eventually problematic case is when an external extension does bullshit … but this is quite unlikely.
 
@bwoebi s/eventually/potentially :P
 
eih, I get that word always wrong :-D
 
Hi everyone.
 
5:03 PM
I know what it means but I continue to misuse it ^^
 
@DaveRandom Trade-off between type safety and amount of IDE vomit you get on your shoes.
 
I wanna choose a name for my website. Anyone have a list of names to choose from? Doesn't have to be a good name!
 
@NikiC It's not just types, substantial amount of the time the full range of values for a type is not valid for a specific operation. Obviously there are also cases where that is not true, and in those cases a property is fine by me. Accessors that do a direct unvalidated assignment are obviously pointless.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I totally read that the wrong way round
Still, ugh
If you have an accessor you shouldn't also allow direct access to the underlying data store
 
@DaveRandom For scalars, I guess
 
5:14 PM
@NikiC Yes, that's actually an important qualifier that was in my head but didn't make it out of my fingers
For objects then the solution is a narrower type for the property
 
@DaveRandom well, @tereško hasn't come out to beat me up about that yet, so maybe it's not the worst thing posted today
hey Anmol
 
I am currently busy gaming
 
oh :p sorry to disturb
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier The key word for me is "encapsulation"... you are breaking it, and that's a sign there's something wrong to me
 
5:38 PM
!!wotd
 
1 hour ago, by Jeeves
remontant: blooming more than once in a season.
 
@user3002233 doomed-rubbish-website.lol
wait, why did @Jeeves not respond then
!!are you alive?
 
throttling?
 
from what, it's not posted anything for ages
 
don't tell me I killed him again
 
5:40 PM
!!version
ugh
@PeeHaa check pls ^
 
I need to remember to use this:
George Will on Trump: “He has an advantage on me, because he can say everything he knows about any subject in 140 characters and I can’t.”
8
 
Gon
Night i/
 
Hi..is anyone here?
 
5:50 PM
> Support group for those afflicted with PHP. Don't ask to ask, just ask.
 
I need to replace all input form fields to empty like $s= "<textarea name=address value='chennai'></text are a>"; but my expected result is < name=address value='chennai'></textarea> using php regular expressions. I needt to replace starting htm form fields like input,textarea
How can achieve this?
 
That is one enormous XY right there
Since the expected output is essentially useless for anything, what is the high-level thing you are trying to do?
In english, not in code
and it's something that literally everyone does so please do not feel like I am making fun of you in any way
 
@DaveRandom gimme 100 minutes
 
6:05 PM
For you, I got 237
also since I gotta go make dinner that works well for me anyway
@RupertMyers Suck it up whiner.....
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the MP for Peterborough
/out
 
6:35 PM
took me two full days to understand GB is not always gigabytes.
 
An x1.32xlarge EC2 on AWS comes with 1.9TB of RAM, 128 cores, and costs more per yr than a brand new BMW 750i with full options (after tax)!
I took one of those babies out for a test drive and benched it at 1.6K req/sec running PHP
The EC2 not the car.
 
@DaveRandom You're\doing it wrong...
!!version
GODDAMNIT
@Jeeves de fak
 
@Sherif Now retry with Aerys. :P
 
@kelunik heh, too late. I already terminated the instance.
That mofo costs ~$14/hr
 
@Sherif That's pretty pretty slow.
 
6:47 PM
 tail -fn100 /var/log/jeeves
^C
 
@kelunik Not really. It was running Apache httpd and wordpress so...
 
@Sherif Hello world or what did you benchmark?
 
Silence is golden normally
 
@kelunik Yea I benched marked it running vanilla httpd and wordpress using Apache Jmeter for the bench
So that's pretty decent performance given the crap software it was running :)
 
@bwoebi / @LeviMorrison you are going to fix typed props I hope :(
 
6:49 PM
It peaked at about 1.2TB memory running httpd with 256 workers
 
@PeeHaa @bwoebi said we wanted to work on it for PHP 7.2 including references.
 
!!version
 
@kelunik Cool. That menas killing refs right? :p
 
@PeeHaa References can be helpful.
 
6:50 PM
@kelunik Yes they might be helpful, but there is always a way around it
There are more ways to abuse it
brb trash needs to be taken out
with fire
 
So this finally convinced me to try uuid in place of integer ids, but I can't decide if I like storing these uuids as binary(16) instead. seems like a lot of boilerplate for what gain? prettier urls?
 
Hey everyone! I was recently tasked with writing a Reverse Polish Notation calculator for a potential PHP gig. I believe I have written it well, but I would love some feedback from this community on areas that I can improve my design.
https://gist.github.com/TheRealJAG/d2437e76cf6561f06ef559f4a45093a7
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier prettier urls have nothing to do with uuids
 
@PeeHaa why then remove the dashes and convert it? why are there so many articles telling to do so?
 
You tube is one of the big services who got that right. Still easy to get wrong, but fak uuids
@FélixGagnon-Grenier What articles?
@TheRealJAG shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a puter, but why the public properties?
 
6:59 PM
Can someone tell me my utterly stupid mistake? I can't seem to find it... this code will simply not append an array to this two dimensional array, it overwrites the first element every time.
 
@PeeHaa many of the first results when googling "how to uuid in mysql". please no hate on mysql yet, one refactoring step at a time.
 
Also: why does you constructor do stuff?
!!? "how to uuid in mysql".
 
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• MySQL 5.7 Reference Manual :: 13.19 Miscellaneous… - SLEEP(), Sleep for a number of seconds. UUID(), Return a Universal Unique Identifier (UUID). UUID_… (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/en/miscellaneous-functions.html)
• Storing UUID Values in MySQL Tables | MySQL Serve… - After seeing that several blogs discuss storage of UUID values into MySQL, and that this topic is… (http://mysqlserverteam.com/storing-uuid-values-in-mysql-tables/)
 
I only see results why uuids suck for mysql storage @FélixGagnon-Grenier?
tbh I am biased
 
7:01 PM
you prefer sequentially coherent integer ids?
 
I see the usefulness of uuids, but not becuase of the reasons thise hipsters are lying about
 
@TheRealJAG foreach is a much saner construct for traversing PHP arrays in general, but as far as design goes, your code doesn't account for the correctness of the solution. What happens if I had you invalid format? Also you don't account for extra whitespace. No form of error handling at all really. If I were considering correctness of the solution alone and not performance I would give you probably give you a 1 out of 10 for effort.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier When possible yeah
 
@PeeHaa you mean these things about easier time for attackers?
when is it actually impossible?
 
When attackers come into play based on ids you are doing it wrong to beginw tih
We call that security through obscurity and nobody likes that
It's a terribad reason to use uuids
 
7:04 PM
indeed.
 
If peole are advocating uuids they either have a different domain (very possible) or they are just fucking hipsters.
Option three is that: yes indeed you need it
 
@Sherif I need to add some error handling yes. Right now it's in a basic, i was planning on adding it before submittted.
 
One of these I'm going blog blog: "self inflicted pain architecture"
SIPA
 
Wes
7:22 PM
i'm having huge, huge problems. i wrote some months back huge amounts of code that are not used yet because they are still incomplete. i know there was a reason i started this, but i don't remember it
i mean, you can't write 50 classes by accident, right?
i can't remember what i was doing :'(
 
no, but you can write 50 classes without any good reason
 
Solution: burninate and start over whenever you need it again? :P
 
^^
> that aren't not used yet
this is convoluted train of thought
 
Wes
fixed @FélixGagnon-Grenier
double negation means very much negation in italian, not not-negation
so i have some problems with that :B
 
oh, sorry if I was nuclear, I really like this, and we probably all understood :)
starts radiating
 
Wes
7:25 PM
lol
i'm fine if you make me notice my mistakes, though
 
Wes
it's a full time job.
 
starting with: wth did you choose php?
 
Wes
:'(
 
lol
well, take that with a grain of salt, I'm not even close to knowing any other programming language enough to say that without being an imposter
 
Wes
7:29 PM
why did you choose php then? :D
my god i can't remember what i was doing
mind blank
i even left comments here and there on micro details, like the macro is totally obvious
 
@Wes was not really a choice. at some point I needed to eat (you know, orchestral violin is not really that high of a payroll), the father had been doing php and mysql on shared webhosts forever, so I started learning that.
 
Wes
could've been worse. it's what i always repeat to myself. imagine if you learned java
or worse, vb6 / asp classic
 
yeah, I would have been stuck in their chatroom
 
Wes
lol
 
evenin
 
7:43 PM
o/
 
Wes
o/
 
o/
 
@Wes I sometimes wonder what would have happened if I went to school in programming instead of continuing in my "I hate school context" spree.
 
Wes
not necessarily you will be more skilled. but if you were in italy you would be for sure paid more :B
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier You would have become a manager instead of saneish
 
7:47 PM
heh
 
\o/ within the edit window
@DaveRandom do you have an ssh key?
 
Wes
welp
 
besides, school adds an extra mental overhead
 
halph
@Ekin Dicking around is hard! :P
 
heh
 
7:52 PM
@Ekin what do you mean? something like "oh am I using the right pattern?"
 
Anonymous
Evemong
 
meomgfoegfkh @JayIsTooCommon
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier nah, more like "why I am learning X for an entire semester?" or in one of my cases, "why the heck I'm learning how to program in Spanish?"
(where X is something you could learn in a way shorter timespan)
but, that may be just my experience which eventually made me hate it all even though I actually like studying
 
heh. when you say program in spanish, please tell me you don't mean language constructs actually being translated? (if => si)
 
YES
imagine writing all while loops with "mientras"... ie. mientras(1){}
 
7:57 PM
lol
 
stupidest thing I ever had to cope with, it was no surprise at all that I left
 
Wes
@Ekin ha
 
hi o/
 
8:00 PM
hola adil
 
\o
 
Wes
@Ekin and there is a way to run that code, too?
 
yes, they had a java thing written to run it
 
that is a very peculiar take on nationalism
 
for an entire year we were making an imaginary robot take/leave papers and/or flowers to/from corners of a 100x100 city
 
Wes
8:05 PM
that should be us. surprising that we haven't done that
 
s/surprisingly/surprising/
you asked fot it... :)
 
Wes
true. i knew that
go ahead with that. won't get offended. i feel ashamed every time i make mistakes already :B
 
@Wes :( don't feel ashamed!
 
Wes
can't avoid it :B
so i temporarily removed the classes. i still have no idea why i wrote them
now that i wasted a good hour on this i will remember it
 
heh :p. any link?
 
Wes
8:11 PM
nope. it's a huge mess
this code is like 15 years old lol
that despite it is always very used. every time i try to improve it but every time i give up. because it has infinite quantum states, and the only working quantum state is this one
 
@Wes Had code parsing information from a portal a few weeks ago. Had to change just two lines or so to get it working again (one was the hostname), last edit was 10 years ago.
 
Wes
there are dozens of identical functions spread in all files, because creator felt it was too hard to include a file
 
But I was really happy it worked afterwards, because I didn't want to touch any of the other lines. :-D
 
Wes
for instance there are functions that validate data that have an interpretation every time they are used. i think they copypastad all the things just to get the thing working asap, then they avoided organizing the code, so they left these identical functions all around in the code. the tragedy is that when they started modifying them, they didn't update all the "clones"
originally it was all functions. classes is stuff that i added. it's infinite code. sometimes i open folder i never opened before
luckily i don't touch this shit often...
 
@Wes seems like an ideal playground
 
Wes
8:24 PM
for what? for experimenting drugs?
 
I sometimes actually enjoy getting a huge php/mysql/html/inline css mess and refactor it
 
Wes
it's impossible
 
.... ok sometimes I get high to do it
 
Wes
i would create a completely new version of it if i knew how it worked. it has a gazillion functions
which nobody ever used, especially because nobody understands how this program works
 
of course it does not apply all the time, but there are some points that sound pretty much right, especially about the having solved things in the past part
 
Wes
8:29 PM
this is why i'm not doing it
i know that article well
 
wise. I actually made the mistake a few times before reading that
 
Wes
but it's not worth refactoring this software either. it works mostly and for some magic reason. and there's no impelling need to improve it
there are a million all identical files. they did the same work a million times rather than attempting automating the things. for instance there's a complex search <form> that is in the sidebar that is not included, it's copied in 100 different files
still think you would enjoy refactor this shit? :P
 
yup. phpstorm makes these tasks seem way less scary
well.. maybe I'm just being slightly defiant, but yeah, y'know :p
 
Wes
i need to simulate an hard disk failure
:B
 
Wes
8:44 PM
because i'm maintaining this shit for courtesy, basically
and they are asking too much... obviously
 
oh
hmmm. I have no clue where my laptop is. they sadly don't come with a ringable feature.
 
Wes
9:00 PM
if it's online you can skype call it or something? :B
 
heh. finally just looked correctly :)
 
Wes
was it under a maple tree
though canadians and italians have something in common you might not be informed of @FélixGagnon-Grenier
we both say eh? after every sentence
 
@Wes lol! it was actually under a book.
 
Wes
a book about maple syrup? or a book about hockey? :B
 
ok, it's not that funny, just wait for the book picture
 
Wes
9:15 PM
hahaha
 
Wes
AHAHAHAHAH
 
so yeah, I really am not federalist, but it just so happens I have this book, and my laptop was under it
hahaha
 
@PeeHaa I have many, what for?
 
9:28 PM
Not sure how to word this but... should I be making a "front controller" that receives all routes and then dispatch to relevant modules, or few different route groups, that each manage their set of possible actions. having few differend route groups would still require to somehow loop through possible route groups until a match is found, so I guess there is some kind of single point of entry controller anyway
 
Wes
your assumption is correct. entry point is always one, no?
 
context: in my personal local site thingy, I have some knid of accounting module. I try it to make it modular, so I don't want to make it dependent on either fast-route, nor auryn, nor any stepping mechanism. The module must still somehow receive the request, then generate a result. However I don't want the module itself to be responsible for handling routing
presently, it makes for a lot of boilerplate code in the home controller, code calls that use the module classes to let me interact with it
 
Wes
hm not understanding
 
more precisely, there's a menu in the screen. the module is not responsible for the menu, as it have no clue where it is going to be shown, so the links actually point to the home controller, which in turn creates the screen with the menu and whatever result it got from the module.

my concern is the module have no cue what routes will be used to interact with it
tldr; is the point of a module actually to be consumed by a wrapping controller/point of entry/I don't know the word
 
Wes
can you write a diagram with the steps of what you are doing?
 
9:39 PM
it will be fugly but I will try that.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier define "module"? Is it a business logic library, presentation layer or something that could stand as an application in it's own right?
 
@DaveRandom I think it would be something that can stand as an application. It presents views, it interacts with storage, it prints invoices. It should not, however, be responsible for managing the "application" layer of web access (the request, authentification, building the pdo connection)
nor producing a response
... maybe that would be a business logic library, I'm not exactly sure what are the boundaries for that
 
Can you elaborate on "nor producing a response" in combination with "presents views" please? Not saying it's wrong, just want to ensure we have a solid definition of what you are talking about there
i.e when it "presents views" is it e.g. rendering HTML or is it just handing data back to the caller?
 
the former. it generates html, which is in turn used by the home controller to build the home screen, with a menu and the content generated from the "module"
 
Right OK, I get you
 
9:47 PM
the home controller has no clue what it will be presenting. it dispatches routes to modules, building what modules need to operate, then presents the html from the modules in the general layout
I'm not sure wether the routes should come from the module (eg a general routes file contained in the module) or be defined in the home controller itself.
 
My gut says that you should have the routing data defined in the module, but it should not be defining the routes
The bootstrap is responsible for getting a list of routes from the module and defining them within the router, but the module is the correct place to store the information about what routes are available to be registered
 
this totally makes sense. gratie
 
:-)
 
Wes
application (business logic) should know nothing of stuff related to the application logic, yes.
it is the application querying the business layers to determine what the routes should be, not the opposite
i repeated what dave said, so i sound smart. right?
 
9:54 PM
s/querying/telling/ probably.
 
Wes
yes, not querying as in sql query :B
 
@Danack clever
 
@Wes i meant in the "tell don't ask" sense pragprog.com/articles/tell-dont-ask
/also, I really like rum.
 
Wes
also my first sentence was wrong, but _It is too late to edit this message_:
the domain logic should know nothing of stuff related to the application logic, yes.
and fu MD
@Danack the application layer asks the business layer for the data required to build the routes. this is what i meant
 
10:00 PM
@Wes oh - I agree with that.
You should argue that with Ocramius the next time he is around.
 
Wes
is it possible to argue about that?
 
With apologies in advance for putting words into his mouth, he doesn't seem to like the idea of data/DI information being built up during the execution of a request.
 
Wes
oh well, you can do that in infinite ways, as long you keep the business tier completely unaware of the application layer
 
$Array[$itemId]['childs'] .= $child;
is it valid?
I'm having troubles at adding records to a second level array
 
@Frondor do you use a debugger to step through your code?
 
10:09 PM
Yes, and no.
Is that line really adding a child to "childs" array?
 
no - it's concatenating into whatever is stored in $Array[$itemId]['childs']
$foo .= 'bar'; is equivalent to $foo = $foo.'bar';
 
array_push( $Array[$itemId]['childs'], $child);
should do the trick, right?
 
$Array[$itemId]['childs'][] = $child;
array_push would work, but [] is easier, and probably quicker
 
Yeah, I've read that [] behaves better, thank you
 
Wes
the hardest thing for a programmer is communicating intentions with other programmers. i often want to ask about stuff, but i can't even name them. how do i stuff stuff into stuff without stuffing stuff into stuff, in PHP 7.0?
i now see patterns (any kind of them) more of a way to reference what we are doing than strict rules
 
10:14 PM
but the smurfs comic really was good
and totally unambiguous :p
 
Wes
i felt it wasn't really important knowing these sonorous pattern names, but it's actually important
@FélixGagnon-Grenier i probably said something funny, right?
 
Wes
lol. still not getting the thing. never watched smurfs :B
 
@Wes oh, they were comic books long before being shows, and quite good also. their specificity is they used the word "smurf" in place of many other verbs/adjectives, like you did :)
 
Wes
10:19 PM
@Danack close the bug?
@FélixGagnon-Grenier ha lol
 
should I? it's not a bug...
 
Wes
it's a feature request actually
... which i've reported :B
basically $foo = "foo"; $bar = $foo . ''; will copy the string even if they are still identical
... and similar cases
 
...i) how often does that happen, ii) how much work is needed to check the strings each time?
something, something, optimize the worst cases, not the best cases...
 
Wes
no, simply ignore empty strings, or empty arrays
when i presented it to nikic he gave me the impression it was a possible optimization. i agree not very important, though
 
Wes
10:25 PM
understanding you guys is hard...
 
@Wes It is a possible optimization. The question is just a) how often it applies b) how much time it saves if it does apply and c) how expensive the additional check is.
 
!!xkcd 1425
 
that's a bit unexpected: xkcd.com/1425
 
If this optimization only applies once in a hundred thousand times, doing the extra check may well be more expensive
 
10:27 PM
1 - I want to say something about that "simply ignore" words of yours
2 - here, a link to explain better the concept
3 - just change 4 letter to 5, it's pretty much the same
 
Wes
@NikiC i'm not arguing on that. you decide if it's worth having...
@FélixGagnon-Grenier lol
 
don't have time to fix atm, can probably do it tomorrow
 
10:41 PM
Mañana, mañana
 
^ bañana
 
Wes
gn all
 
nn.
 
10:59 PM
@tereško What are you talking about? :-) (and yes it has)
 

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