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12:11 AM
@samaYo if an employer uses raw SO reputation to hire or reject me I probably don't want to work with that employer. You never know from where a stellar 120.000 reputation reply comes, it might be a rehashed copy and paste from a book|blog post|answer or not.
 
Plagiarism is fairly well detected in the SO community, though.
Of course, using rep alone is just retarded.
 
using any one thing alone is retarded
 
So........that Github API change. I think Composer hasn't been updated to use the new API call yet. i.e. everything is going to break.
 
Looking forward to it :D
 
I think that would be great. I'm not even joking.
 
12:21 AM
why?
 
I enjoy it when things like this break because it helps realize what a dependency on it incurrs.
 
Hmm - it's been looked at - github.com/composer/composer/pull/3711 but I can't see where they're retrying the same token....
s/retrying/recreating with the same fingerprint/
Regardless - the only 'release' of Composer that contains the updated code was released 2 days ago.
How many people will have upgraded since then before Monday.
 
JIT Fix :)
 
Not mentioned in the release notes ;)
 
$("#callme").maybe()Ja͢ck 4 mins ago
jQuery humor
 
At least github warned about the update. Sometimes they break the API following a passive aggressive motto.
 
1:15 AM
Hey guys anybody who can help me set up homestead?
I've done a bit of it already and know it's all disorganized. I don't know how to start from scratch
 
2:07 AM
morning
 
 
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3:20 AM
Hi guys, is there anyway to generate a random number != to a list of number in the database?
 
 
1 hour later…
4:26 AM
MoooRnings
Fryyydais
 
4:57 AM
moin
 
morning
 
zan
Morning Friday
 
anyone read the box thing ?
there is a thread on reddit ...
 
5:51 AM
hi
 
@JoeWatkins did now
 
6:04 AM
putting forward hack as the reason to switch to hhvm seems strange ... it's strange because the argument that skills are transferable goes out the window when we are talking about hack, it has a different type system and supports different paradigms, generics, async etc, you can reuse as much of your PHP skillset to write Hack as you can to write Java or C# ...
if I'm running a team, why would I ask everyone on the team to learn about something new that has existed for 5 minutes when there are so many stable, open alternatives ... I'd rather have them rebuild mission critical parts of the application using a mature stable platform
I've mostly read about people switching to hhvm because of speed, which still has some legitimacy until 7 is released, but reading that people are switching specifically to take advantage of Hack seems strange ...
[/rant]
 
generics and things are attractive for some people
 
6:37 AM
ouch, just found another goto in an application of a client, I thought I had removed all of them
 
@Worf you have "generics" in php
 
we have mixed :D
 
then what they attracted by is a type system
you do have behaviour alike generics
 
@JoeWatkins well said. IMO hhvm is overrated just as much as node.js, cuz it's hip & trendy or smth
not saying node.js is bad, nor hhvm
 
yes, i meant the type system, clearly @zerkms
 
7:07 AM
Morning
 
morning
 
7:25 AM
morning!
 
mornin'
 
morning
 
morning
 
morning
 
moaning
 
7:42 AM
morning
 
good (ugt) mon-ring
 
@PeeHaa C-C-Combo breaker!
 
OH FFS
 
:)
 
7:54 AM
morning
 
anyone here using firefox developer edition ?
I need a volunteer
 
@tereško here
 
@Ocramius can you verify that this page is not loading mans.lmt.lv/lv ?
(while working in other browsers)
 
yeah, that's what I am seeing
 
7:58 AM
loads also in firefox
not in firefox aurora
 
confirmed page works in other browsers
 
so, they have fucked up
 
I've found my doppelgänger!
I have to admit, his avatar's outline is sharper than mine =/
 
Steal it!
 
hehe
 
8:03 AM
@Ja͢ck Their English is appalling, though
 
@rdlowrey Ok, so it's not something I'd do in the software layer, but in the infrastructure :sadpanda:
 
@Jimbo That's why it only goes as far as looks ;-)
 
@rdlowrey had ~60k clients on ejabberd in 2005 (BOSH connections) and it was working, incredibly
So I'm really thinking of using XMPP rather than just websockets and a custom solution
 
This might actually go through: https://github.com/WordPress/pull/137/php7-min-ver
9
 
8:11 AM
I know I manually removed the second bit, didn't want it to be too long ;-)
only github pros would notice that :P
 
8:22 AM
So... What's the workaround for lack of generics in PHP? Untyping?
@Ja͢ck it'd be pull, not pulls
Also: SO chat doesn't show the scheme :P
 
@FlorianMargaine Yeah makes totally sense :P
 
posted on April 17, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by Romeo Gresta */

 
8:43 AM
why did the PMs think that this project doesnt need a fucking spec ?!
 
@tereško specs are for pussies
 
going back to fedora ...
if you use an os with / raid 0 device, holla distro name ...
 
windows
=P
 
dude ... gross ...
 
8:58 AM
don't push it
 
no installers seem to support it, fedora can do it, but it's still not simple, I dunno why, it used to be circa fedora 18
 
I could have said "osx" instead
but anyway, this seem kinda strange, because RAID0 should be set up in UEFI/BIOS and OS should only see a single drive presented to it
 
software raid
sorry, should have mentioned software raid ...
 
/me sighs at finding a custom password salting mechanism in a high security system
 
in that case I only have slight idea how to set it up for freebsd installation: freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/geom-striping.html
but it won't be of any use for linux
@JoeWatkins can't you set up HW raid ?
it would save you some considerable pain and frustration
 
9:03 AM
actually I don't know, haven't seen anything in bios but didn't really look, skimming manual now ...
 
the raid setup is usually outside BIOS
you have to access a different tool which prompts before UEFI is loaded
you will have to read the manual, it's not something you will be able to discover
 
sata 1-6 support raid 0, 1, 5, and 10 it says in the manual ...
 
then start reading about setting it up
btw, I assume you got your new PC?
custom made or pre-built?
 
yeah :)
I put it together ...
 
pics ?
 
9:07 AM
not yet, will get some today
 
cool
but, yeah, read the manual for RAID setup ... I made the mistake of assuming that I will be able to figure it out without the manual and wasted basically whole eventing getting nowhere
 
can't find it in the user guide, other than that one sentence
 
what's the mobo's full name ?
 
krakjoe@fiji:~$ inxi -M
Machine:   Mobo: MSI model: X99S SLI PLUS (MS-7885) version: 1.0 Bios: American Megatrends version: 1.40 date: 11/05/2014
 
@JoeWatkins it should be somewhere around page 98
it says top press ctrl+i on boot
 
9:16 AM
stops at 45
did you find it online ?
 
/me went through this song'n'dance less than 4 weeks ago
 
thanks @tereško
that didn't work ...
says I need to enable it in bios but doesn't say how ...
/me is off to poke around ...
 
9:36 AM
Anyone remember this hilarity?
 
I guess I should stop reviewing, my flags tend to get disputed :S
 
all my projects are using this fraemwrok
 
@MarcelBurkhard If you genuinely believe they shouldn't be, post on Meta. Don't take any shit, I've fought for a flag for a week before
sad, but not having any of it
 
@Jimbo well I don't care that much and the flag-summary doesn't contain that many information for me to understand what the issue with my flags seemed to be
 
What kind of flags are typically disputed?
Btw, disputed doesn't rank negatively.
 
9:47 AM
@PeeHaa @FlorianMargaine It's a Greek word, I'm pretty sure the Greeks are the ones you should listen to :-P - My misses insists on pronouncing Michelin as "Mitchellin", it drives me nuts, you can't just change the pronunciation of foreign words because you're lazy. And don't give me that loan-word crap because it isn't a loan word, it's still being used in the context of being a Greek letter.
 
Sorry to ask if sounds irrelevant, but since the room's tagline reads "Discussion for all things PHP, and stuff", I wanted to ask windows 8.1 users here. Which antivirus have you tried and which one would your recommend?
 
for fuck sake
 
I run "common sense" antivirus.
 
room topic changed to PHP: Discussion for all things PHP. Chat Guidelines : room-11.github.io [php]
 
lolwhat
 
9:51 AM
the official answer to "how to change line-endings on NeatBeans?" is "you cannot"
 
@rahulserver just keep using Defender
 
@rahulserver MSE for resident shield, MBAM free for periodic purges, or if you want to pay for a 3rd party solution go with MBAM paid.
 
that SUCKS indeed :(
 
@rahulserver Use that thing that comes with windows
 
@iroegbu
 
9:51 AM
@tereško lolwut
 
Everything else might capture more but makes your machine unusable
 
@DaveRandom that basically sums up my reaction
 
any one used BitDefender antivirus?
there is a lot of hype about it being pro windows 8
 
@rahulserver I used it long time ago, when it was free
 
Although also @rahulserver... you could just not go to porn sites
And use trustworthy torrent sites
 
9:52 AM
or download untrusted torrents
 
I m not lookking for any free solution
as security of my dev machine can not be compromised
 
MSE is perfectly adequate, IMO
 
@rahulserver linux
 
@tereško not possible to change OS
 
9:53 AM
bullshit
 
take out networking card
 
@DaveRandom do you need that for W8+? They come with with Windows Defender.
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Meh, just take out the power cord. Guaranteed 100% safe.
 
@DaveRandom what about cold boot attacks!
 
9:54 AM
working now ...
 
Yeah, viruses don't work well without power ...
 
for a couple of years already, I've seen only two reasons to use windows: 1) developing for windows 2) games
 
@iroegbu Oh have they rebranded it back to that in Win8? I haven't paid much attention to the inner workings of Win8 because it is a ridiculous operating system.
 
my windows license costs over 200$
 
@DaveRandom Doesn't it always come out at the bottom of the "found the least viri list"?
 
9:55 AM
@SergeyTelshevsky And even gameplay has moved to consoles already
 
@rahulserver then invest additional 50$ and get a good AV
 
@Ja͢ck oh no, it always been this way, but there are too many "only windows" games
 
also, WTF
 
@tereško when did I say I want a free one
 
@SergeyTelshevsky You missed 3) sane desktop to do everything else which is not running a webserver
:P
 
9:56 AM
@SergeyTelshevsky yeah… and on a decent machine you can play them in a VM too.
 
@DaveRandom yes, Windows Defender is an anti-virus now. Comes with W8+
 
@rahulserver then go with Nod32, that's my recommendation
 
@PeeHaa sane? Well… that's everything but Windows.
 
@bwoebi pretty big overhead imo
@PeeHaa oh no...
 
@PeeHaa Well rarely/never do I run MBAM and it finds anything other than pseudo-threats (tracker cookies, badly packaged exes etc) on a machine that's had MSE running, which is good enough for me.
 
9:57 AM
I use Nod32. I really should buy that, it's done a good job so far
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Hence I said decent machine ;-)
 
@Jimbo and it actually is one of the cheapest good ones
 
@bwoebi I just don't see a reason not to make a second partition for windows then :)
yes, have to reboot and make two environments, but :)
 
@Jimbo My misses uses this at work and asserts that it is good, I have no real opinion because I've not used it for ~10yrs (estimate, a loooong time ago anyway)
 
@SergeyTelshevsky but! ;-)
 
9:58 AM
Regarding MSE, a friend recently had to format his pc as it was almost unusable due to virus attacks. he had MSE with him.
that was with win 7 though
 
@bwoebi I don't think we are ever going to agree on this topic :P
 
@rahulserver not one antivirus in the world would no guarantee to save someone that does not understand what he's doing.
 
hmm. So you mean I don't understand what I am doing
nice to know
 
@PeeHaa I strongly disagree to disagree here. You must be agreeing with me!
 
@PeeHaa There's only one desktop, I don't see how you can disagree.
 
10:00 AM
:D
 
@rahulserver Yeh, but I'm also willing to bet he installed MSE after he started having problems. MSE is good when you put it on a new machine, as soon as you have malicious software on the machine then installing anything is likely to produce poor results, because the malware that's already there can see you coming. In that situation what you want is MBAM -> power cycle 3 times or more.
 
ok @DaveRandom so you say that MSE + MBAM would be enuf
 
A lot of people don't seem to get this, AV is only effective as a pre-emptive measure
 
hmm
ok thanks guys
 
@rahulserver that was about your friend
 
10:02 AM
oh ok
yes he is not very techie indeed
 
@rahulserver MSE as resident shield, MBAM for cleanups. If you want to/are not averse to paying for a resident shield solution, I would recommend giving your money to MBAM because it is a great tool and it's not as insanely expensive as others.
 
ok cool. So I am gonna go for MSE and MBAM
 
[krakjoe@localhost php-src]$ time make -j16 2>&1 >/dev/null
...
real	0m7.866s
user	0m29.201s
sys	0m12.307s
 
what's the ./configure line?
 
--disable-all
 
10:04 AM
@DaveRandom could you please explain
 
There should be a configure arg of --yolo that enables everything
 
> power cycle 3 times or more
 
power on, power off, power on, power off, power on.
 
there actually is in windows ... theres an option that tries to build everything but doesn't stop the build if an ext fails, we don't have it in nix tho
 
@Jack :D
 
10:05 AM
@SergeyTelshevsky Run scan, reboot, run scan, reboot, run scan, reboot (as many times as necessary until it stops finding stuff)
 
@DaveRandom it will find stuff each iteration? Why does that happen?
 
You'll usually find that advanced malwares (botnets etc) have various layers to prevent AV tools being able to clean them up in one go
 
> Zend/zend_language_scanner.l:2226:10: error: use of undeclared identifier 'T_ERROR'
hmmmm
 
@Ja͢ck T_ERROR is defined in lang_parser.y…
 
kay
 
10:11 AM
How's your playthrough coming @tereško?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky usually what you find is that the running process that's "doing the damage" will be running in protected OS memory, attaching yourself to a vulnerable built-in svchost child is common, which means that the AV tool can only clean that element of the infection at shutdown/startup, before the kernel has launched the vulnerable ancillary service. One of the things that the running process does is hide the way it respawns itself when it's nuked
so once you've nuked it you have to scan again before it respawns itself, so it can no longer hide itself and you'll get the root cause. I've seen a few in the past that have 3 or more layers of this, things that pretend to be fake anti-malware SWs often do this
I've also come across a number of infections that actively prevent you from launching executables with the strings e.g. "avg" or "mbam" in the file name
 
@bwoebi forgot to override YACC at the configure stage ;-)
 
wow, I've heard about rebooting once because of the protected memory, that's why I asked about 3 cycles
 
Hey guys, anyone knows why there's a need for vqMod for OpenCart? It's the dirtiest hack-mod I've ever encountered.
 
@SergeyTelshevsky I can tell you from personal experience that on a heavily infected machine, you'll frequently find that a second scan after the reboot will actually find more items than the first
 
10:15 AM
@Ja͢ck hmm… I have 2.7 on OS X as default bison
thus not needing to specify YACC
 
ah .. i should probably brew link it too :)
 
I don't use brew… It already failed horribly for me some times…
 
hi, could someone help me correct the syntax on this:
$sql="UPDATE Quarto SET Nome = '" .$Nome ."', idTipoQuarto = '"SELECT idTipoQuarto from TipoQuarto where Nome=" .$idTipoQuarto."'",
that select it´s not working...
what am i missing here?
 
@Ja͢ck I have /usr/local/bin before /usr/bin in $PATH… and put bison binary into /usr/local/bin
 
My bison is in /usr/local/opt/bison27/bin heh
 
10:20 AM
which probably isn't in $PATH ;-)
 
nope, probably not
 
but yeah… that's one problem with brew. It doesn't install in standard places like /usr/local/bin by default etc.
 
@Japa SQL injection
 
which i'm typically fine with, actually.
 
Hello Guys
 
10:23 AM
wtf, just found a 50p from 1983. It's so huge!
 
@PeeHaa do you mean, doing the things this way will make that happen?
 
@Fabor Yeh even old 10p coins are bordering on offensive weapons
 
lol
 
@PeeHaa ?
 
Man I'm such a retard, hours wasted because I was using a string in a twig template where I shouldn't
 
10:26 AM
@Japa Yes. I cannot see what happens before that code, but most likely yes
 
@PeeHaa thanks for the warning, PDO then?
 
yes, but the important bit is using prepared statement with bound params
 
@Jimbo s/string in a//
 
@PeeHaa like this: $statement = $pdo->prepare('UPDATE Utilizador SET username=:username,nome=:nome etc etc...
 
yes
 
10:28 AM
and then: $statement->bindParam(':username', $username);
and in the end: $statement->execute();
 
Or just execute(['username' => $username])
 
thanks man, i really appreciate your help.
man/woman sorry...i don´t know :)
 
Wow, bjori and Pierre had a civil conversation on internals. Did I wake up in an alternate dimension again?
@Japa Neither does (s)he
 
Good morning
 
@DaveRandom what?
 
10:33 AM
@DaveRandom Depends, does your dimension still have kittens?
 
@Japa Just a comment on @PeeHaa's gender identity crisis
 
@DaveRandom lololl
 
@Ja͢ck I dunno. Do dimensions have offspring?
 
Nope.
 
Well, they might. The continuous rebirth theory of creation states that there are a potentially infinite number of universes, the creation of each triggered by one previous, and since by definition there cannot be anything outside the universe, saying that each new one inhabits a new set of dimensions the creation of which was triggered by another universe is not a terrible way to visualise it.
btw, theoretical physics is really complicated and basically just philosophy with a different hat on
And I also don't claim to know much about it
 
10:38 AM
"Are you a physician?" "I've ... thought about it, a lot!"
 
Anyone read this post on using a Dispatcher for your service later? Bollocks or some truth to it? To me, looks just like an object responsible for shortcutting your requests to other components...
 
I think modern string theory is currently based on 11 dimensions but they keep changing it
 
so they've stolen our room name?
 
I'd settle for php's string theory, a whole lot less dimensions.
 
@Ja͢ck Debatable. src is full of foo.bar->baz.quz->foo[0] expressions
 
10:41 AM
Isn't that zval theory?
If that's even a thing
 
zend_string theory is our best model of the PHP universe, but we acknowledge that this is probably wrong and no-one really knows how it works
 
Probably due to the lack of peer reviewed white papers.
 
We have a peer review system, it's just that we aren't very good at detaching the merits of the idea from personal involvement. Much like medical science.
 
Great, our designer gave us some coloured things without specifying the colour code ... sigh
isn't the whole premise of science also the knowledge of the fallibility of humans?
 
@tereško
 
10:50 AM
Looks awesome
Man, I'm gonna take a picture of mine... When you see almost NO wires... you will love it
 
@Ja͢ck Indeed, the problem is that no-one takes criticism well, I guess it's just human nature. There's a tendency for people to put their ideas out for review, and when they get negative feedback they take it as a criticism of the person and not the idea. If someone says something you disagree with you will often leap to the defense of your viewpoint without fully considering that you might be wrong, it's just in the nature of having put a lot of work into it in the first place.
 
Yeah, it's totally understandable.
As Carl Sagan puts it; science goes beyond just being the body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking ...
 
In the context of purely theoretical ideas it's even more of a problem, simply because there's usually no empirical mechanism for obtaining proof one way or the other. You can't prove or disprove the many worlds interpretation because you will never be able to observe them
 
which is why Schrodinger had such a fun time.
 
Also dark matter and dark energy are likely indicators that the theoretical model is wrong, rather than there being something that we are unable to observe, simply because of the scale of the discrepancy
 
10:55 AM
But ... gravitons!
 
looks a bit boring to look at really, the case doesn't help ... it's just plain white ... because I don't like busy things ... I used to have a board that lit up like an xmas tree, but it just annoyed everyone because blue and red flashing lights would be emitted all night from the office ...
no external lights on this one and no looking at the board from the outside ...
want to keep dust out and light in ...
 
@Jimbo just read it, I currently use something really similar, but call that middleware
 
also, gfx card is in the wrong slot according to manual ... it says to use first slot for "optimimum performance" ... dunno what that means ...
 
@SergeyTelshevsky So you get to your controllers, what do you do there? You call things that abstract what you would normally do in your controllers (according to what frameworks say) into this other object?
 
couldn't get it in there anyway ...
 
10:57 AM
@JoeWatkins One's full speed and others are x16 sometimes
 
@Ja͢ck Yeh, it doesn't mean the model isn't useful, much as the orbital model of atomic structure is likely not representative of what's happening but it's still useful as a teaching tool because a lot of the derived mathematics still works and is testable
 
I think... x32 top one, x16 bottom ones
Or similar
 
does it matter if not playing games ?
 
Nah
 
didn't think so, works okay I think ...
 
10:58 AM
@DaveRandom Kudos to all those who dare to venture beyond what we can observe :)
 

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