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3:09 PM
@SteelBrain Abit. Maybe you could add abit about why you want to do that?
(mixing nodejs backend with php)
 
Hello.
 
in Lounge<C++>, 8 hours ago, by Rapptz
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Q: Prior art for US patent application 20140196008 'IMMUTABLE OBJECT TYPES '

guesthttp://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2014/0196008.html "At least some embodiments described herein relate to a language extension that advances safety in system programming. In accordance with the language extension, an entire type may be declared to be immutable in the case in which all instances ...

 
3:27 PM
is it possible with google maps api v3 to draw a polygon over a geographic area and then find all the pins inside that polygon?
 
"pretty straight forward" @igorwhiletrue #laraconeu http://t.co/uCRcOCKX34
Yeah........No.
 
:P
 
:/
open maps, apple maps or bing offer anything like that?
 
@Chris I think you misclicked. This is the php room, not the javascript room
plagiarism ^
 
@Ja͢ck Anatol fixed it in another way in the end, good thing we didn't do anything
 
@RonniSkansing , because I have a php app that handles the post output, It's kind of huge piece of code to port to nodejs, and there're other functions that I cant port to javascript. so I was wondering if there's a way to make them communicate to each other
 
@SteelBrain You almost certainly want to investigate having them communicate via a queue in something like RabbitMQ, ZeroMQ or just plain old Redis.
 
mmmm tuna mayo rice
 
I have redis installed already, I just cant figure out how to notify the other that there's been an update
 
3:44 PM
@Fabien Did anybody ever tell you you are a pig? :P
 
My middle name is pig.
 
:)
 
mmm so good. usually I make onigiri but couldn't be bothered to go the whole hog. So I just mixed it all together.
 
@NikiC thank you for the parser cleanups =)
 
3:50 PM
@Fabien @PeeHaa , I've heard that stackoverflow moderators are here somewhere in the chat, any ideas where?
 
@SteelBrain They are here sometimes. And there is at least one here right now. But I doubt this is the right channel to bug them for whatever you are going to ask :)
 
If I ask them that I want to ask a question about php, but stackoverflow doesn't let me. will they life the ban? :P
*lift
 
Nope they will tell you to stop putting so much crap on Stack Overflow so that you don't get banned
No mod needed for that
 
I dont put crap on SO mate, check my history I have the good stuff only
 
Sadly (or perhaps a good thing) I cannot see deleted history
 
3:53 PM
I asked some question I shouldn't have, but that was about a year ago
 
a.k.a. crap
 
:P
 
@SteelBrain Doesn't it say when the question ban will be lifted?
 
If it really is only one question as you put it, you should easily be able to lift the ban yourself
 
nope
it works now!!!
awesome
whoever did this, THANK YOU!!!
 
3:56 PM
Ugh... I ate too much.
 
It's 6pm dude
 
Can someone ELI5 Recki-CT?
 
@Fabien You have a piece of PHP code. Said piece of code is compiled. Compiled piece of code is exposed to your php again so it runs fast. correct me when wrong
 
@ircmaxell heh
 
@Fabien Machine code is better than silly zend virtual machine code. Recki compiles PHP to machine code.
 
4:05 PM
I clearly don't know enough about how PHP works :P
Like a painter who doesn't know where his paint comes from.
 
@Fabien More like a painter that doesn't know molecular chemistry. I don't know of a good resource of where to start learning about virtual machines, but you can see the Zend opcodes that PHP is compiled to in 3v4l.org - 3v4l.org/m7lrv/vld#tabs
The things alongside ADD_VAR etc. Those aren't machine codes, they are Zend opcodes and need to be run by the Zend VM. So a simple addition op_code in PHP may take several real instructions to run.
But if you instead compile the PHP to be machine code, it will be runnable directly as it is, rather than through the Zend VM, and so will be much quicker.
 
So PHP compiles in Zend which runs the machine code then returns the result?
And Zend is slow?
 
HHVM, ROCKS!!! you guys might want to try it
php-fpm used to take atleast 250 ms to process the script, which hhvm takes 10-15 ms now
 
yeah....
 
@SteelBrain You can search HHVM in the chat search to get peoples opinions on it.
 
4:13 PM
Clueless people gonna clueless
 
@Fabien PHP is compiled to Zend bytecode, which is run in the Zend VM. Virtual machines are always slower than machine code, and Zend VM is not that amazing.
 
I see.
So how does Reci-CT fit in to that process? Or alter even.
 
For some reason I put the "HHVM, ROCKS!!!" people in the same box as the phalcon people
 
Zend doesn't create machine code fab, zend bytecode, or opcodes are executed by zend, like zend is a kind of virtual cpu
so Recki-CT allows you to compile real machine code, as in, instructions understood by cpu's directly
 
@PeeHaa it is a big box =]
 
4:16 PM
;-)
 
I have a mvc frameworks box too =]
pretty big also..
 
@JoeWatkins Ah I see.
 
Don't get me wrong I am running it on one of my machines, but my conclusion is I like parts (a lot), but it is not worth it for my usecases
 
@Ja͢ck yeah, and why?
 
Actually I should say I like what hack is trying to do
 
4:20 PM
it's the strangest language I know of ... Hack, I mean ...
 
It is strange
 
that's not a good thing ...
the implementation is vastly complicated
 
No argument there. But I still like what they are trying to do
 
the release cycle for hhvm doesn't acknowledge that, I don't really think it will stabilize properly for years
by which time, it will have been rendered pointless ...
 
if nothing else it has shaken things up
 
4:22 PM
depends on perspective ...
 
Explain yourself
 
okay ...
 
@JoeWatkins PHP Hampshire next month?
 
there's nothing happening today that would not have happened anyway, in no way did hhvm push php forwards, these things were destined to be ... they are obvious ... there were a few similar implementations that came along before hhvm existed, nobody paid any attention, nobody jumped ship ... we have lost developers to hhvm, notably Sara, a very gifted programmer who spends next to no time on PHP anymore, others have jumped ship too
if we ignore that ... since it may not matter to you anyway ... if we try to hold hands with hhvm, we get our fingers burned ... the implementation of ideas that we want are strange, optional type checking that can be ignored, violated even, at runtime, this is a terrible decision that would not have got by on internals ...
they have created incompatibilities in the ecosystem that cannot be resolved, you will have to choose in a few years ... that's not productive for anyone ...
 
@PeeHaa More precisely PHP-NG was already being worked on when HHVM was announced; I don't think that NG has been altered by HHVMs presence.
 
4:30 PM
@Fabien think so yeah
 
I honestly don't know if PHP needs a JIT.
 
dunno if I'm taking car though, because that costs £50 ... might go on bike ...
you still have to come and hold my hand ... can't go on my own :)
 
Yes I know. Yet there has been work on a lang spec. No way somebody was ever going to start that from the php side. (Whether you agree with the fact the the horrible FB is creating the spec now)
 
I know from personal experience, as well as PHPNG already shows, that more efficient memory optimizations are generally better than CPU improvements.
Maybe we need a JIT to get more memory improvements; I dunno.
I still have a lot to learn about php-src.
 
it doesn't need every line to be machine code, there's 0 difference between me in C calling mysql client library functions, and PHP doing it for you, none, the vast majority of php code does not go faster because it is native, since it is already native ...
 
4:33 PM
This is my 'favourite' hack feature: docs.hhvm.com/manual/en/…
The 'ne plus ultra' of premature optimizations.
 
this kind of strange is sprinkled throughout the whole thing ...
honestly it doesn't sound like an optimization
it sounds like a limitation of the system underneath bubbling to the surface for us to look at ...
a spec is useful for reasons other than writing new implementations ...
I'm glad that exists, but it's a mistake to think that 10 implementations of php would be a good thing, it would be destructive ...
 
Yes, but having only one is also not a good situation
 
PHP is 20 years old this year
there's no basis in reality for that statement ...
 
Sure there is. Age means nothing perl was relased in 1987
:P
 
Past, Present and Future walked into a bar. It was tense.
2
 
4:41 PM
it means that for the last 20 years, we got on fine with one implementation that we all used ... the facts disagree with the statement "having one implementation is not a good situation" ... when other implementations came along we completely ignored them
 
@JoeWatkins We People don't now, so that contradicts your statement
 
Partly because other implementations didn't even come close to Zend compatibility.
How seriously can you take something that can't run a given codebase without significant changes?
 
Sorry double ping, because for some reason when typing I always have issues with know / now :P
 
sigh it's a real pity that I am so disconnected from the happenings in this room. So much goodness coming out of it. But I hope to be able to catch up in October.
 
I don't know how true that is ... we all talk about hhvm, how many of us use it in production ?? far less than are talking about it ...
the compatiblity thing might be true, though afaik, they were compatible with versions from antiquity, at the time, they were compatible, but still got ignored ...
@Gordon we miss you :)
 
4:47 PM
So.. I implemented some 128bit integer operations in PHP, and it's faster than doing the same operations with GMP
 
@JoeWatkins <3
 
@Leigh native xmm is always faster than gmp, what do you expect…
 
when I say implemented in PHP, i mean, as a script, not some sort of 128 bit int extension
 
huh?
 
my numbers are stored in arrays of [26, 26, 26, 26, 24] bits
 
4:52 PM
weird (that this is faster)
 
we have a few really really good programmers, niki, bob, xinchen ... what happens if they jump ship, who pushes php forward ? nobody ... luckily they are pretty clued up and likely will not ... but if there were 10 implementations, one of them has a higher chance of being the kind of project they might jump ship for ... we don't want that, at all ... better we try to stay focused on the thing we are meant to be focused on rather than looking to fracture the development team of php even more ..
 
@Leigh are you using fcalls or the operator overloaded version of gmp?
 
@bwoebi operator overloaded, let me tidy some stuff up then I'll push it and you can see
 
@Fabien You are on chrome right?
 
4:53 PM
aye
 
@Leigh what kind of operations?
 
@Fabien Willing to play crash test dummy for me?
 
sure
 
Hello can someone help me with my php' send mail with attachment code', call me Avis.
 
user3961151
Hello.
How can I build a image in a width of another photo and height by that width, and placing in the middle that photo? (in the top and the bottom there will be a white space)?
 
user3961151
4:57 PM
Something like that:
 
@user3923716 Haha, what.
 
user3961151
 
@NikiC mul, mod, add
 
@GINCHER I think you are in the wrong room?
 
user3961151
@RonniSkansing No, I need it in PHP :D
 
user3961151
4:58 PM
I have no idea how to even start :D
 
thanks @webarto. i'm trying to send mail with an ataachment but not abe to....i will send u code link. 1 sec
 
@Leigh Source?
 
@GINCHER well noone here supplies free code so you will have to show us what you have tried =] put in in a pastebin / pastite or etc
also the context is really unclear
 
@Leigh what's the mul impl look like?
 
@user3923716 Are you using a mail library?
because if you aren't the answer is: install a mail library
 
5:00 PM
no i'm trying to send directly..@PeeHaa
 
> install a mail library
 
user3961151
@RonniSkansing I'm not asking for code, I'm asking to get the functions I'll have to use. About the English, it's not my Native
 
php mailer? @
 
Adding an attachment would be as easy as Message:addAttachment(__DIR__ . '/le/file')
 
@NikiC well it;s specific to the task at hand, so it has been optimised. I am just surprised by the speed
 
5:01 PM
Or something like that
 
does github no longer support comments in pr diffs?
 
nevermind, that was a w=0 thing
 
@GINCHER well that depeands on how exactly you want to do that, it is a very broad question
 
@user3923716 Nope I don't look into mail issues anymore which don't use a mail ilbrary
I find those issues no fun and useless
 
user3961151
5:04 PM
@RonniSkansing Never mind, I found the SimpleImage library.
 
thanks @PeeHaa no problem.,i will use library as lot of people are suggesting.
 
Also are you trying to attach a remote file?
 
@user3923716 have a look at SwiftMailer
You can get it from swiftmailer.org
 
thanks @ halfer. is it much better than phpmailer?
 
5:07 PM
Aha, @PeeHaa has already recommended it :)
I don't know, they've both been around for ages, and both have a good reputation.
I think SwiftMailer was adopted by one of the Symfony core team people, so I expect it is good.
 
Hey @halfer
 
'ello :)
 
Always nice to see somebody who is not an idiot from main coming in chat :)
 
user2286243
Does PHP have similar thing like C/C++ preprocessor?
 
Ha ha, pleased to oblige.
 
5:10 PM
thanks @ for suggest..@halfer and @Peehaa can someone point me to tutorials or blogs,that teach about error handling in php..i'm new to php. i tried goolging a lot, but still in confusion. thanks for ur help.
 
Error handling is a really broad topic
 
@PeeHaa, you might be interested in a project I'm working on at the moment - a PHP tutorial "done right". Fancy a peek?
 
Sure
 
I'll be sending it out for feedback over the next couple of weeks before it gets unleashed on the world properly
 
Working on something myself github.com/PeeHaa/php-net-tutorial :)
 
5:12 PM
Ha, nice - I'll happily give you feedback on that if it helps!
blog.jondh.me.uk/2014/08/online-php-beginners-tutorial <-- find the link in this blog post
Credentials are feedback/indentation (they are not particularly private, just to stop the search engines atm)
I wanted to create something to reduce the number of basic questions in the PHP tag re: form handling and PDO parameterisation.
 
Yeah I will read it and provided feedback for sure. We need good tutorials!
 
thanks very much guys....for your help, @halfer and @PeeHaa. i will too provide feedback for sure.
 
halfer is working on a tutorial for beginners (user/pass feedback/indentation)
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Power abuse! :)
 
Thanks. If anyone else here frequently helps out in the PHP tag (or indeed anyone) and would like to review, please do.
Comments on the blog post please.
 
@PeeHaa Link?
 
5:16 PM
That was stupid :P
 
Kinda was :D
 
Arf
@user3923716, what sort of error handling do you want to do? If it is form validation, they aren't errors as such - not in the sense of PHP exceptions.
 
> Click on the first chapter to the right.
chapters are on the top for me :P
 
Ah yes, it's responsive. Get yerself a wisescreen and they will move!
 
:)
 
5:19 PM
s/wisescreen/widescreen/
But good point.
(The front page was a five minute job today, I could just redirect it to the first chapter - dunno).
 
Any plans on hosting it on a public repo later on?
 
user3961151
Hi.
here is a code:
 
user3961151
$this->load($filename);
 
user3961151
how can I load image from http?
 
$this->loadHTTP($url)
 
user3961151
5:21 PM
(it to work the same, but $filename will be from http)?
 
user3961151
LOL TNX :D
 
I might make the tutorial project (a simple blog) public, certainly @PeeHaa.
 
Not really.
We have no idea what $this is
We have no idea how are you running it, or what it means
You need to provide more information
 
Not sure about the site itself, as I wondered whether I'd make it ad-supported. The code diffs aren't static either - there is a bunch of code to regen against a Git repo.
 
@SecondRikudo Obviously $this is $that
Ow wait wrong room :p
 
5:23 PM
So if I find a mistake in a code sample, I rebase in a change, regenerate, and the changes flow through the whole tutorial :)
@GINCHER, try file_get_contents($url), that will do it.
(Unless your PHP is locked down as per some shared hosts, but most installations will be fine).
 
@halfer It would be much easier for people to PR changes they think should be done both to code and to text instead of having to work in a comment system
Speaking of which. Where do I drop my comments?
 
On the blog link you posted up :)
In terms of suggested changes to the text, that's a fair point. I'll have a think about that.
 
user3961151
@halfer $this->load(file_get_contents($url));
 
user3961151
like this?
 
user3961151
'couse I have to leave the load
 
5:28 PM
In terms of the code, that's more complicated, as a change needs to be made, rebased into the correct position, conflicts resolved, force pushed, and regen
@GINCHER, if $this->load() is looking for a string, yes. I don't know what $this->load() does, though.
 
user3961151
it looks for The path to the XML document.
 
@GINCHER I thought you were trying to load an image?
 
@GINCHER, that's looking for an XML doc, not on image.
 
user3961151
5:31 PM
@PeeHaa ^^^
 
@Leigh GMP looses a lot in efficiency by having to create a damn lot of temporary objects
 
user3961151
LOL it's not the same load
 
probably most of the time is spent just allocating and deallocating gmp objects
 
Gincher, you might be able to do $this->load('http://domain.com/my/img.jpg') in that case.
Bear in mind that loading from HTTP rather than file tends to be slower, especially if it is remote.
So, load from file if you can.
 
@NikiC so, why don't we then have an OO API where we always operate on the same object?
 
5:35 PM
@Leigh it might be possible to cache recently destroyed gmp objects and reuse those, via some dtor handler hackery
@bwoebi operating on one object is pretty useless
 
you need multiple ones for intermediary results, but generally there should be a small fixed number for many computations
 
@Fabien lol
 
@NikiC Yeah, only create a new object when you really need a new one?
 
5:38 PM
@Fabien eek
 
why did I click that. and that.
 
@NikiC an aside: It would be nice to be able to new GMP(str, base)
 
Yikes, a fish with a mini rocket launcher
I hope it has a current valid permit for that.
 
Wish I could hadoken :(
 
I did have a quick peek through the gmp code to see if I could add the constructor, but there's a lot of voodoo in there
 
5:41 PM
@PeeHaa I read the other day that British beer typically is quite terrible and as result we have worse hangovers because of it. And that in outer Europe with nice beer hangovers aren't that common. Can you verify?
 
People have tried @Fabien, involving strong spirits and a cigarette lighter. The results, undoubtedly on YouTube, are probably not always what they intended.
 
Can we get rid of p/n prefixes on HashTable member names in PHP NEXT? :-/
 
@Fabien In my experience it is more an age thing :)
 
Age or experience :P
 
Also, specifically related to my code and PHP beating GMP - GMP will take the lead again once mpz_import / export are there
 
5:42 PM
heheheheh
I never had hangovers, but lately I do
 
And, I'm retarded, I knew the slowdown was in my functions to convert little endian streams into gmp numbers.... hi there strrev
 
@Leigh hm?
 
@NikiC I decided I couldn't use gmp_init(bin2hex($bin), 16) because gmp_init takes the string as big endian, and my $bin was little endian, so I wrote a custom import function to to unpack $bin and shift/or them into the GMP object... but I could have just reversed the string..
 
5:50 PM
How the heck do you vertical align a image in a div?
 
So with gmp_init(bin2hex(strrev($bin)), 16); GMP is winning the benchmarks again :)
 
729			int result = apply_func(p->pData TSRMLS_CC);
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00000000009dcd3e in zend_hash_reverse_apply (ht=0x130f8f8, apply_func=0x9ad983 <zval_call_destructor>, tsrm_ls=0x130c0e0) at /root/php-src/Zend/zend_hash.c:729
#1  0x00000000009adac3 in shutdown_destructors (tsrm_ls=0x130c0e0) at /root/php-src/Zend/zend_execute_API.c:217
#2  0x00000000009c6ce7 in zend_call_destructors (tsrm_ls=0x130c0e0) at /root/php-src/Zend/zend.c:933
Does anyone have an idea what could lead to a segfault there? [I'm working on something, but it actually is the first time I tried a clean shutdown, so problem could be everywhere…]
 
Will read a bit more later @halfer. Going to open up a beer now and write some code
 
6:02 PM
(p is pointing to an invalid address)
 
@NikiC I have 3 foreach loop test failures on master; are these intended?
Or rather, known and being worked on?
They are tests 13, 14, and 15.
 
No worries @PeeHaa, enjoy your beer :)
 
(as in tests/lang/foreachLoop.013.phpt)
 
(I did a search for "vertical align a image in a div" and that was the top answer).
 
@LeviMorrison they're known, see https://wiki.php.net/phpng#known_problems
 
6:12 PM
I know he did some work yesterday on it, so I was just checking on status.
 
6:29 PM
@halfer Thanks! It works, but then it doesn't, then it does
 
@LeviMorrison I was only doing cleanup. Those three tests won't be fixed anytime soon
should probably go to xfail now
 
Okay.
 
@DestinyDawn: if you have a self-hosted link, or a JS Fiddle, that might help.
Sounds like it is being a bit unreliable for you at the moment, pesky browser! ;-)
 
Does someone here know what the difference between name and class_name is in zend_arg_info?
 
@LeviMorrison name is the argument name ^^
 
6:40 PM
Ah, so unneeded for return types.
238 typedef struct _zend_arg_info {
239     const char *name;           // TODO: convert into zend_string ???
240     uint32_t name_len;
Also, shouldn't name_len here be of type size_t? (Unless we convert to zend_string)
 
@LeviMorrison no
because 2G argument name...
 
So why not something smaller?
uint8_t or uint16_t?
 
I am going to vote for bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=65162 every day now until I get it
oh look. @kayyy is here. He's my coworker. Please be nice to him.
 
@Gordon you make it sound like anybody actually cares about those votes ;)
 
Also... I added a zend_return_type * entry to zend_op_array, zend_function and zend_internal_function and it segfaults like crazy. Any ideas why?
 
6:49 PM
@LeviMorrison did you rebuild?
 
@Gordon Sooo we only have to be nice to your co workers now? Good to know :-)
 
@NikiC yeah, I know :D but it helps vent frustration about the lack of generics
 
@NikiC I reran make, if that's what you mean.
 
/me welcomes @kayyy
 
Oh, need to rerun php Zend/zend_vm_gen.php
I forget we have that stupid step.
 
6:51 PM
\o/ technik.io a real website like I would expect from a developer
 
@NikiC I'd vote on an RFC … if only there was one
 
Eh... I don't think we're ready for generics.
I, for one, am not ready to write an RFC and go through all the details such as how we type traversables, etc...
@NikiC Even after a make distclean and rerunning php Zend/zend_vm_gen.php I still get segfaults.
Seems odd that an unused field is causing segfaults.
 
@LeviMorrison where did you add it? in the common section?
 
Yeah.
Let me post the diff (it's not too big)
diff --git a/Zend/zend_compile.h b/Zend/zend_compile.h
index 71a622f..c25674b 100644
--- a/Zend/zend_compile.h
+++ b/Zend/zend_compile.h
@@ -246,6 +246,13 @@ typedef struct _zend_arg_info {
 	zend_bool is_variadic;
 } zend_arg_info;

+/* TODO: (maybe) unify type information across the various places, such as
+ * return types, parameter types and exceptions */
+typedef struct _zend_return_type {
+	zend_string *class_name;
+	zend_uchar type_hint;
+} zend_return_type;
+
 /* the following structure repeats the layout of zend_arg_info,
 
7:09 PM
@rdlowrey p-p-p-ping
 
@salathe He's gone until Tuesday.
 
@LeviMorrison Drunkation?
 
@LeviMorrison ah cool, thanks. Just wanted to double-check a docs change with him.
I'll just commit it and get him to check next week :)
 
@Moderateur: what is the nature of the demanding part of the app?
Heavy duty maths calculations? Image processing?
 
@halfer Backend calculations like ranking and real time compression
just needed general information
is it because you are the one and don't want other people to know? so you pass the ball to me?
 
7:25 PM
@halfer You can "star" messages here in chat so that messages are added to that list -->
 
Ah, thanks
Dastardly and Mutley, that takes me back. Awwww
@Moderateur, you can write your app in PHP, and pass off the heavy duty stuff to a queue.
(And please be civil here - messages can be flagged for mods)
For the queue, Gearman is old and tested, I believe Resque is newer and fancier.
 
@halfer I might have to spend a while watching wacky races on youtube. :)
 
@halfer your design hurting my eyes blog.jondh.me.uk/category/php
 
*ponders* maybe I should stop starring random crap… >:)
 
So....one of my two local pubs has apparently has a new policy of employing fitties with tight fitting clothes. List that item under things I am okay with.
 
7:40 PM
i wish room owner have ability to kick the user ... :D
 
@NullPoiиteя Yeah that option is long overdue. Sadly the devs have no incentive to do it (or anything chat related for that matter)
 
@PeeHaa @RonniSkansing but he's saying room owners should have the ability to kick users like me when in reality I'm not the one acting bullshit
 
Having the room in gallery mode is also pretty crap @NullPoiиteя
 
@RonniSkansing I don't know why, but I registered from college proxy and my friend also reported getting this avatar after losing his old account, always behind the same college proxy
I don't know what mess developers did
 
lets close that topic and move on ... (now its getting weird)
 
7:45 PM
@Moderateur losing old account?
 
63 messages moved to bin
 
@RonniSkansing Yes exactly. He made another after that. Try registering behind a proxy yourself if you don't believe it.
 
@Moderateur if you are using some random proxy from some search list (free proxy), stuff like that will surely happen
99.9% are malicious
 
@RonniSkansing Yes I know, I often browse from college pc and there's where I registered. I don't know what proxy they're using, but it is reproducible, maybe it's a bug.
Now let me go back to my project and stop being annoying for the last time (I also mean about the stars you're obviously making yourself or a newbie-hater user!) ok? thank you everyone!
 
Could you explain the losing account again?
like I did not catch, how was it lost?
 
7:50 PM
@RonniSkansing afaiu same it .. merged account automatically
 
@RonniSkansing My friend had a SO account but he didn't use it for a few months and I don't know what happened with his password, so he made another one because he needed to solve an issue he was having while in a deadline
@NullPoiиteя The problem is that he can't prove the account is his own, he used a throwaway email
 
but i think your email should be still associated with that account you can get that account back ... just contact @stackoverflow team
btw its 1.24AM here .. g'night
 
@NullPoiиteя He did, but they told him they could send him a reset password to his email, which obviously he hadn't anymore
 
@NullPoiиteя later
 
the system looks flawed in this regard. once you lose your email you lose your account
 
7:57 PM
@Moderateur not really imo. One should not register with a fake/throwaway email
 
8:08 PM
@LeviMorrison fuck me, did you see who just replied on pr ?
 
@JoeWatkins Yeah, I'm shocked.
However, that syntax will not work because of grammar ambiguity in several cases.
 
yeah static static
 
I don't find "but that's how it works in C" to be convincing at all
however
it solves a problem for us
if we not longer have to support LSB return type, self will always be detectable without anything fancy
though I'd suggest we don't allow self either because if you allow one you gotta allow the other ...
static static doesn't make sense whatever ...
 
@JoeWatkins you have your logic the wrong way around
this is a reason to not use prefix syntax
not a reason to abandon special return types ...
 
8:16 PM
just trying to sit on the other side of the fence ... I thought this decision was as good as made, this conversation has been had in the context of other rfc's that were withdrawn ..
 
I need to beef up the reasoning for doing it the way I have, which is well thought out.
The RFC doesn't convey that as much, though.
 
8:32 PM
yeah, good idea ...
 

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