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10:00 PM
@tereško isn't that pain in the ass
 
I actually can design and write code
 
frameworks do must of the work for me
 
@sabsab no, frameworks provide only solutions for common problems
not for specific problems
 
.. also, you should choose the appropriate framework for a project
 
Anyony know anything about setting up OAuth provider services? :/
I want to be an OAuth 1.0a server
 
10:02 PM
@SuhosinPony have done so last year
oh, OAuth 1 :X
 
@Ocramius Share with me your wisdom
 
@SuhosinPony better use OpenID .. if it's an option
 
I don't have any OAuth 1.x knowledge
 
@tereško is OpenID a viable auth protocol for an API? I didnt even think about it tbh
 
we are working on a student abroad tracking system (SATS) and the minister of high education is waiting for something greate from us and now @tereško says that Yii is the 3rd worst php framework :O wtf
 
10:03 PM
OpenID is Authentication - OAuth includes Authorization afaik
mainly because of token scopes
 
I just want a way to generate safe authentication tokens which I can check on a per user basis so I can see who's allowed to do what
Some kind of API key
oauth appealed because it's implemented in so many languages as a consumer service
 
well, if the users have different types of access I'd go with OAuth 2.x no?
so you have simple token scopes such as ['delete_stuff', 'create_cool_spreadsheets', 'more_boring_things']
 
yeah
That's what I'm looking for
 
not sure if OAuth 1.x has that
 
@Ocramius How much of an ass was it to implement the server/provider?
for oauth 2
 
10:07 PM
@SuhosinPony shouldn't be too chaotic
there's already fkooman's thing out there
 
Wiki.php.net: Oops, nevermind; wrong image.
 
@Ocramius I'm not using PHP so I have to write my own implementation :/
 
and a friend of mine is working on github.com/zf-fr/zfr-oauth2-server
ah, I see
@SuhosinPony no, implementing your own stuff is a mess
 
But obviously a reference implementation in PHP would be helpful
 
and also quite security vulnerable
 
10:08 PM
@Ocramius I know, but the existing perl modules are a bigger mess
 
@LeviMorrison table of contents from right; page layout from left
 
check the thing by zf-fr - it is quite clean IMO
 
And probably also security vulnerable
 
it assumes that you use the ORM, but this guy built it with some decent concepts in mind
 
I didnt mean implement my own protocol
I meant write my own implementation of oauth 2 protocol
Because there's no good ones in CPAN
Guess I could just use HTTP basic because I have SSL :(
 
10:10 PM
@SuhosinPony yeah, check that one out btw
 
I am
 
@tereško hehe
 
well, HTTP basic gives you authentication, not authorization
 
@HamZa what about you are you framework lover or not ?
 
@sabsab I personally am a framework lover, it must be clear thought that frameworks only solve some problems, and even make some other problems harder to solve :)
 
10:15 PM
Wiki.php.net: Left or Right?
 
Probably left
 
@sabsab Last time I tried to use Silex but I was lost on how to use it, I think it's mainly because of my incompetence in OOP... So I just wrote my own code and used a template engine from codeangel.org/articles/simple-php-template-engine.html
 
got used to github-style READMEs
 
@Ocramius so what framework do you love
 
10:16 PM
@sabsab zf2, sf2, silex, slim
 
@Ocramius not yii ??
 
@sabsab nope
 
@HamZa it took us some time to learn you to use it, that's like learning new Programming language
@Ocramius and why not ,, is it that bad
 
yep
 
@Ocramius why
 
10:19 PM
@LeviMorrison Def right.
 
@sabsab codegen, AR, "god object" approach
 
@Ocramius My ideal frameworks are slim and in perl Dancer
 
@DanLugg For what reasons?
 
I like that approach to frameworks
Handle routing, requests and responses for me so I dont have to give a fuck about HTTP
Let me do everything else
 
@LeviMorrison The header background-color indentation gives a very clear indication to the document outline.
 
10:20 PM
@Ocramius Silex can join that list too
 
Indented header text alone doesn't always (but that depends on the level of indentation)
 
@SuhosinPony for the god object approach? Yeah, but silex is meant for one category of problems
I'd never build anything that is feature rich on silex
nor on slim
 
@Ocramius I dont feel comfortable enough with PHP to write anything feature rich on it
 
fair enuff :)
 
lol
 
10:21 PM
But I would write feature rich programs on Dancer, which is similar to slim in size
Hmm, maybe bigger than slim, but smaller than silex
 
@LeviMorrison left!
 
Well, I'm outta here. Night all.
 
So, many, duplicates, must, hold, sanity. — Benjamin Gruenbaum 14 secs ago
 
yay, I have reached 30k
 
Seriously, this has like a million duplicates with answers and you chose to answer it? — Benjamin Gruenbaum 5 secs ago
@tereško congrats
 
10:36 PM
tnx
 
@tereško the new 10 is from me ^_*
I blow the number 30000
3
 
@tereško That deserves a toast.
 
@rdlowrey alive?
That deserves a star, if only so s/he will read it back and realise what s/he just said.
 
That's what she said?
Dave is more perverter than me.
 
10:50 PM
I believe that is indeed what she said
 
11:09 PM
I'm calling Rule 34 on arbitrary numbers.
 
I could totally make some binary porn
Where would you put a thing that bridges two distinct sections of a library? Say I have mylib/foo and mylib/bar, where does the foobarbridge go?
 
foo and bar are namespaces I assume.
 
effectively
(it's complicated)
 
11:26 PM
@DaveRandom Symfony has a directory just for bridges - github.com/symfony/symfony/tree/master/src/Symfony/Bridge - which seems reasonable.
 
@Danack Yeh I guess so. My only issue with that is that there can only ever be one of them - this is the last possible feature in the core of this lib, so it will kind of be just a thing stuck on it's own
 
"this is the last possible feature in the core of this lib" - optimism defined.
 
:-P
It really is though, the core is tiny
 
That's what she said?
 
I hate it when you click back to a window to make it active and forget there's a button/link (or a star) that appears at that spot when you hover over it and... you can guess the rest.
 
11:33 PM
@webarto lol
 
That would be the polo analogue, in which case I'd tend to agree
Although to be fair VWs aren't as "budget" as that anyway (although I'm not sure they're that much better)
 
Nay, it's maybe even bigger than Golf.
No, they are not better to be honest.
 
ThW
Car... pffft.
 
Yeah, dude, here we have your junk buses you used 50 years ago, so that's out of the Q.
 
11:43 PM
can anyone give me a real life example of graph data structure ??
 
I agree that car is such a waste of good money.
 
@webarto you still talking about money -_-
 
Yes, I'm all about the money.
My life is pretty much boring.
 
you must have Hadramutian roots
 
I like trading, that's it, why is that bad?
 
@DaveRandom My life just became exciting.
 
@DaveRandom there must be a misunderstanding
 
ThW
@webarto Actually I avoid buses, I use my bike mostly.
 
@webarto no nothing bad about that, Hadramut people are the reachest people in my country, and they like to trad too
 
@DaveRandom this Kia, I drove it for 130k, and had zero major malfunctions, mostly some part are wore out etc, still looks new, while e.g. V GTI had few engine failures that cost around $5000 to fix. It's really unreliable, it is very fun tho.
 
ThW
11:50 PM
Or the train for long distance.
 
I wish I do that too. I have 2 bikes, but got nowhere to ride them.
I enjoyed it very much in Vienna.
Took car only for something out of the town.
And if you need that you can always rent, so IMHO pointless in big cities for us Europeans.
 
@webarto My IV has so far had no issues apart from cosmetic issues caused by the fact that She can't drive
 
USA has cheap car and cheap gasoline.
 
(~75K mls)
 
Petrol engine?
 
ThW
11:51 PM
Yeah, I have a card for that, havn't used it for years.
 
@webarto Yeh, just the basic 1.6
 
@sabsab I don't have money, maybe that's the difference :P But earning some extra cash on the side is always good.
 
Needs a new cam belt actually, but that's just the manufacturer's stated lifespan
 
@DaveRandom That's OK, compared to 1.4 trainwreck, worst engine ever. New ones have chain instead of belt.
 
It also needs a new offside wing mirror because, as previously stated, She can't drive
 
11:53 PM
@webarto so we both share the same situation
 
@DaveRandom :D
@sabsab Yeah, pretty much everyone in the world :P
 
@webarto You don't have any money, but you do seem to have never-ending supply of trucks that things fall of the back of regularly :-P
 
That's the main source of income for people of Montenegro.
 
@webarto but cars are not waste of money, what is a better thing to pay for ? except cocaine you know
 
11:56 PM
You can't see anyone actually working, and they all drive big 4x4 etc.
@sabsab That would be real estates (as everyone knows), car can't bring you anything unless you earn with it (use it for work).
 
@webarto Whenever I see that word I just think of a fuck-off huge pile of coal
 
ThW
And most of the time cars just take up a lot of space.
 
@webarto you mean cars only deserves to be a taxi ??
 
Friend paid $180.000 for Porsche 4 years ago, now it's maybe worth $60.000 ... there's a one apartment difference there.
@DaveRandom That's actually Bosnia, I have no clue why it's Montenegro, all I know all teenage girls are taller than me (~1.95m).
Really, really, tall people.
 
US used cars are so cool and cheep, I have one
 

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