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1:00 PM
@I'll-Be-Back I live in city center, 2 mins from clubs/shops/bars
 
Oh I live in the Netherlands and I pay 530 euro a month for a row house with 3 bedrooms a HUGE attic and a HUGE bathroom
 
500€ 30sqm, fees ~200€, garage 120€, Wien
 
@PeeHaa doesn't that depend on the gender of @Gordon
 
@Jasper that's a good deal. is that included water, electricity etc... ?
 
And we have gym, pool, concierge etc included in the rate.
 
1:00 PM
@Jasper Does it?
 
@SweetieBelle That explains:)
 
@SweetieBelle that explains a lot ...
 
@PeeHaa No it depends on the word's gender
Frkn words don't have a gender, but the Germans tend to think so
 
It's not 'luxury' but its a modern apartment block, I like it.
 
@PeeHaa That'd be my guess, when a word refers to a person, in most languages its gender is equal to the gender of the person you are referring to
 
1:01 PM
That what I thought, but I suck at foreign languages @dragon112
 
I could get an apartment for half of what I pay in a cheaper district on the outskirts of the city.
 
Good morning
 
I live pretty close to the center of the city I live in (like 4-5 minutes walk)
 
@HamZa yep and internet too
 
@ircmaxell Good morning.
 
1:02 PM
does/has anyone use(d) digital ocean hosting?
 
@dragon112 530/mo is cheap
I think they earn more in NL than we do here too.
 
@Jasper lol what city was it ? Great deal
 
I'm in Italy btw >_< May as well be open. :P
 
@ircmaxell monring
 
@ircmaxell, hello
 
1:03 PM
@SweetieBelle lol, finally !
 
@CarrieKendall Wow that 80$ one is pretty awesome :d
 
And my Italian is still diabolical, because I work in English.
 
@SweetieBelle Je ne parler pas francais
Wait that's not right :p
 
@dragon112 no, you added an extra r :P
 
@dragon112 yeah they have good pricing
 
1:04 PM
@HamZa Utrecht. It's in one of the student flats near Utrecht Overvecht. You share the kitchen with nine others, but as long as they are good company (and they are in my case), that's at least as much of an advantage
 
@HamZa Crap.. Now I'll be sad for the rest of the minute
Nah not really
 
ah I see....
In amsterdam, you will pay min ~400euro for a student thing ...
I know someone who found a chamber (all alone, no shared kitchen) for about ~300euro's. Quite cheap for amsterdam
 
@HamZa A mate of mine studies in Eindhoven and pays 130-ish euro a month including electricity and water >.<
 
@HamZa Francais also needs an article I'd say (I'd say "de" but my French isn't that good)
 
le Francais
La langue francaise lol
 
1:06 PM
Lololol
 
@dragon112 Yeah seriously lol
@dragon112 xD that's cheap. So at least I know where to go if I ever need to move to another city :P
 
@HamZa I meant the French word "de", as I don't believe a definite article (is that the correct term?) is what you want there
 
Hamza ya Pakistani? :P
 
@Jasper There is "le" -> mannelijk "la" -> vrouwelijk
@I'll-Be-Back nope, but I speak 5 languages excluding regex lol
 
@HamZa The room is really small though, but what do you expect for pretty much free:p
 
1:09 PM
lol
 
@HamZa I speak many more languages excluding regex
 
@dragon112 that's really cheap indeed
 
@dragon112 haha indeed. I don't mind. As long as I don't need to share the kitchen&bathroom :P
 
@Gordon I haz sent yu a mailz
 
@HamZa That's shared obviously
 
1:10 PM
@I'll-Be-Back seriously, take a look at my profile :)
 
But Eindhoven has really cheap student rooms because the local government has some rules on this
 
@dragon112 ah I see... Well can't be helped
 
@HamZa I know, I know. What I meant was the articles you would translate to Dutch or English by removing them all together
 
Pretty cool
 
@Jasper then I'm not sure what you mean by "article"
 
1:11 PM
@HamZa PHP, Java, Objective-C, C++, C, C# (lol many C's), etc etc
 
@dragon112 heh I didn't count PHP :P
 
@dragon112 got a very nice video to go with that, give me a moment to look it up
 
@HamZa it's been too long since I used my French and I don't know the proper terminology. I'll look up some examples of what I mean
 
PHP, perl5, perl6, C, C++, Java, python, ruby, asm >_>
 
1:12 PM
@Jasper Could you say it in dutch ?
 
@HamZa NEIN!
 
@I'll-Be-Back heh, why are you pakistani ?
@dragon112 lolz
 
@HamZa because my parents are.
 
I just decided that I WILL be getting a PS4 because of this (dutch article)
 
What pattern in PEAA book i should look for if i need to build system that for example manages 5 types of documents? And document is a piece of data with date and owner fields. Access rights for each of these documents is determined from user role in the system (roles are fixed, there are three of them). Does that description makes any sense or maybe matches description of the problem that are already solved?
 
1:15 PM
@I'll-Be-Back so you're pakistani, how many language do you speak ?
 
@HamZa Well I am british pakistani, I know English, Punjabi.
I know how to read Arabic.
 
Lol
 
@I'll-Be-Back I see nice
 
1:19 PM
@I'll-Be-Back Well, it's a pain to maintain all languages. For example my writing in french is as good as of a child lol
 
Hi all, I've spent the last hour reading some answers on SO, but still stuck... I'm extending a class and want to access a variable from the parent and do print_r() to see what's inside. Do you know why I'm having issues with this?
 
Why do you know all those languages?
 
@I'll-Be-Back you may guess ?
 
class RD_Nav_Walker extends Walker_Nav_Menu {

	public $var = parent::tree_type;
	print_r($var);

}
 
School?
 
1:21 PM
@dragon112 I'm preordering an XBOne because of this.
 
@HamZa SKILLZZ
 
@I'll-Be-Back something like that lol
 
In the parent class, the variable is simply declared $tree_type
 
@HamZa not really. I was referring to what "de' is in "je n ai pas de baguettes" but I think I know why it's not necessary in that sentence though once again I lack the terms to explain it (this one I ought to know it, though)
 
@dragon112 heh, I think I can learn another language. But then I think about learning a programming language is better ...
 
1:22 PM
@SweetieBelle Meh, it was a stupid idea anyway
 
Actually its probably good to know french and german, i recall finding some scientific reasearch papers written in those languages.
 
Well I know PHP quite well, I need to get more into OOP.
I like to learn Python and C#
 
I mean research that was relevant to problem i was solving at the time
 
Python is quite popular in github.. for looking for job in Python? No chance.
 
@I'll-Be-Back I love C# :D
 
1:23 PM
Here's a small challenge, can you write it in most elegant way ?
Create an array with uneven numbers from 1 to 11
@Ivan0x32 Yeah, I got my own trick. For example if I need to do a research in dutch then I go to wikipedia in french and then use google translate. Of course, I remove all the crap and fix the typos ...
 
@I'll-Be-Back There are a lot of jobs in Python, mainly in Django though
 
@dragon112 Of course, it comes about a season after this:
 
@dragon112 But critically, Xbox has ponies.
 
@Jasper Wow, where has she been all my life?
 
xD
 
1:27 PM
@SweetieBelle ponies are a unique selling point (for some people at least)
 
@HamZa soemthing like range(1, 11, 2); ?
 
@Ivan0x32 Wikipedia french is written by other people than those of english. That way I've got a unique research thing, while the others all have the same article lol
@I'll-Be-Back yup ...
 
Yea I use range() quite often.
but not the step Parameter.
 
@dragon112 hehe. Pretty awesome series, by the way. Discovered it only a couple of days ago but I'm hooked already.
 
I wonder where @nikic is... prob on vacation, but...
 
1:29 PM
@Jasper I don't have the time for more internet series....
Been spending too much time on YT in recent days:p
 
It's about a school where they learn to play videogames, everybody goes by their gamer tag in real life too, and they actually act out all the in-game sequences. It's pretty funny too
 
I'm not going to watch it.
Must resist.....
 
@dragon112 Fair enough. I'd say this is more like tv quality, though.
 
@Jasper that series is too dork :(
 
Dork is good (in some cases at least)
 
1:32 PM
well, I honestly enjoy half an hour of nyan.cat more than VGHS
 
lol ..
 
@Ocramius not the words I'd use, but yeah, it's pretty nerdy
 
@Jasper nerd != dork
I explicitly wanted to state "dork"
 
@Ocramius I know I was just passively disagreeing
@Ocramius That seems to be no fault of the series, but of you and your relation with nyan cat
 
1:35 PM
@Jasper I see. Well it goes quite automatic. I found something francaisfacile.com/exercices/exercice-francais-2/…
 
@Jasper dunno, freddie started with good stuff... Now there's a lot of BS in his channel :(
 
@Jack sigh you stole my bounty ...
 
@dragon112 Ponies are definitely a selling point for me.
 
@HamZa that's not really relevant, though, as it's only about cases where you do need to use "de", and the question was about when you need to use "de" and when you don't
 
@Jack that user is probably allergic to regexes
 
1:39 PM
@HamZa I notice this condition is common amongst PHP developers.
Regex allergy
 
Anonymous
Does it really make sense to use symfony to create a plugin for magneto?
 
@Simon_eQ No
 
Anonymous
I cant tell, if that makes sense
 
If you're using Magento, you already have ZF available. Why not just use ZF?
 
@Ocramius I like it quite a bit. That said, I fully support your right to dislike it. I just don't support your right to like nyan cat even a little, and you do need to like it a little to prefer watching it.
 
1:40 PM
But the non-stop nyan cat is awesome...
 
@Jasper Well does it make sense to say "J'ai acheté lait" ? and what about "J'ai acheté du lait"
 
@Jasper I even have nyan cat as PHPUnit result printer!
and as progress bar!
 
Anonymous
Ok, is it possible to create a plugin for wordpress, magneto, joomla using symfony. In my head, it does not make sense, but someone said that to me recently @SweetieBelle
 
@Ocramius I have Rainbow Dash on my personalized server monitoring panel.
 
@Ocramius as I said, the fault there is yours :P
 
1:41 PM
@Simon_eQ It does REALLY NOT make sense
 
@Simon_eQ If I asked you if it makes sense to write an extension for phpbb in C++, what would you say?
 
Anonymous
Well, I must have misunderstood the person.
 
@Simon_eQ It's like using a framework over a framework <-- that's just wrong
 
Anonymous
@SweetieBelle I would say, ' Will you pay me in unicorn money ?'
 
@Simon_eQ there is such a thing. It's called bitcoins
 
1:44 PM
@Simon_eQ As I am a unicorn, I can probably do that. :D
 
@HamZa I'd say "J'ai acheté de lait" if there was no previous mention of buying milk, and "J'ai acheté du lait" if the other person requested you to buy milk (like "the milk you requested") and never "J'ai acheté lait", but I'm just goign off my French classes which were long ago here
 
@Ocramius Weirdly enough, the currency in MLP is 'Bits'.
 
Anonymous
@Ocramius oh yeah. I have yet to figure that out.
 
@Jasper well I'm not maintaining my french. It's more like I can communicate if I ever need to. The french people will already be amazed lol
 
@Simon_eQ Bitcoins are awesome, unless you bought at $3 and sold as soon as they hit $32.
Only a 900% profit and I feel like I did bad on that transaction. :D
 
1:46 PM
Why? Money in the bank is better than money in theory
 
Anonymous
I tried to download it, the client or the magnet or whatever its name is, but it turned out to be more than 5 giga. My monthly internet data allowance is 3 giga
 
@ircmaxell If you had $1 four years ago and put it in the bank it wouldn't have kept pace with inflation.
If you bought Bitcoins at $0.002 each, you'd have 500 BTC, or $50,000.
@Simon_eQ Use a thin client, the satoshi client is for hardcore users.
www.blockchain.info
 
Anonymous
thanks
 
Anonymous
I will read that, when I start to make money
 
no, my point being in that in any speculative market, a gain that you realize is better than a gain that you don't.
 
Anonymous
1:50 PM
or get a job
 
@ircmaxell Fair enough, yes it's a gain but it's annoying that I saw it rise to $200+ later on and missed it. :P
 
Eih, I know your point, but that's a dangerous way of looking at it
 
Yes, it is
Gambler's fallacy
Cashing out was the intelligent play.
 
@HamZa basically, a noun in French generally can't go without a "lidwoord" (article), so they use "de" as a "partitive" article, which means you'd translate it to English or Dutch by just leaving the article out
 
@Jasper yup
 
1:52 PM
I play the stock market. I sell if i'm up 20%. Not because I don't want a big gain, but because a series of small gains that I can realize is better than a large gain that I can't
 
@ircmaxell I don't play stocks, but that makes a lot of sense to me.
I usually just play futures markets & binary options
Which have a lot less choice in that regard. ;)
 
mostly stock options
 
I'm fascinated by that.
But, have no idea how it works.
 
It's a legalized way to make money out of nothing
and lose it because of nothing
 
lol
 
2:00 PM
I actually started doing that too as an alternative to stupid retirement plans that don't work outside germany :(
 
@Ocramius /not only in germany ...
 
yep... well, basically it's a problem to find any kind of "whatever insurance" that will cover me lifelong wherever I'll go on the planet
I honestly don't know if I'll ever want to live in germany for longer
 
@Ocramius You want to live in India ?
 
nope :P but I indeed want to move around a bit
 
What why would you do that, you have a chance of running into @Mr.Alien !! (1 in a billion BUT STILL)
Awww he is not here =(
 
2:03 PM
@Ocramius What sucks so hard?
 
@dragon112 lol
 
@webarto nothing, it's just that I don't want to stay in one place I guess :)
 
@Ocramius Yup, I hear ya. That's why I opted for remote job, it's less paid, but you don't have to take free days and you can travel wherever you want.
 
@Ocramius do you have kids ?
 
@HamZa I am a kid (almost)
 
2:07 PM
That makes me a almost kid too? :D
 
@Ocramius well a kid may have a kid lol
 
@HamZa we're not on MTV
 
@Ocramius hahahaha
 
@Ocramius Never seen teen mom?
 
2:09 PM
@ircmaxell ZNGA - Buy, hold or sell? :P
 
@Ocramius I just checked your profile. I though you were +30 lol
 
eh...
 
OLD MAN OCRAMIUS!!!
 
How old are you @HamZa
 
@SweetieBelle sell
 
2:13 PM
@I'll-Be-Back 40/2 :p
 
You are a kid!
Im 29 :/
 
@I'll-Be-Back haha, I've got moar rep :D
 
@ircmaxell Interesting.
 
@webarto are you guys getting that ad on youtube targeted at half-assed developers too? ("Oh noes, it's too hard to deploy my app, luckily there is xyz cloud solution!!1!")
 
@ircmaxell I shorted at $3.22, you think that was a good call then?
 
2:15 PM
I would stay away from them
way too volitile
 
@Jasper adblock
 
Didn't know there were other devs here who play the markets :P
 
@I'll-Be-Back first time I'm boasting about my rep lol
 
@HamZa If adblock came with a blacklist option rather than a whitelist one (and not one where I have to go and write rules by hand) I would probably run it. With only a whitelist option, I don't really believe in it.
 
2:18 PM
I don't even use adblock !
 
@Jasper adblock, but probably yeah... don't trust commercials :)
 
@Jasper Hmmm didn't know that ...
 
I've got adblock and ghostery.
 
@Jasper It would more be "J'ai acheté du lait" if there was no previous mention of buying milk, and "J'ai acheté le lait" if the other person requested you to buy milk
But you are right, "J'ai acheté lait" doesn't make any sense!
 
2:20 PM
@ircmaxell that guy is really awesome in the "ass" role
 
yup
 
@cheesemacfly so little sense your fingers tried not to write it even when you intended to :P Thanks for the clarification
 
@Jasper Yep :D
 
@rdlowrey Hey, trying to figure out how to use your Aerys example - should I be using this (as it extends Endpoint) within the $config var? Should I be instantiating this when a user hits a certain controller within the application? Rather confused about how to actually implement it.
 
@Jasper Adblock disgusts me by requesting donations for the "work" that goes into it. It's like, dude, fuck you. A lot of work goes into people's sites and you hurt their ability to monetize their work. It's so fucking hypocritical. Not to mention practically no work goes into maintaining adblock.
 
2:23 PM
@billmalarky I love Adblock
3
 
@Jimbo Many people do, that doesn't make my opinion less valid.
 
@billmalarky It does
 
In the PHP doc it says: Never cast an unknown fraction to integer, as this can sometimes lead to unexpected results. Does $x = (int)($i / 3) fall in this case knowing that $i is always an integer?
 
@Jimbo ...
 
@billmalarky Trolololol :D
 
2:25 PM
huh?
 
@billmalarky I agree. I'd probably run it on a blacklist basis, because it would let me block sites that go overboard (in which case the fault is their own). I don't know if I'd block the ads on youtube, though. They are annoying, but the costs involved in running it are pretty darn high, which sort validates the ads.
 
@billmalarky It's not imposing you to donate, the link is there. You're free to donate, or not to
 
The example doesn't really help me: echo (int) ( (0.1+0.7) * 10 ); // echoes 7!
 
@Jasper it does block it, at least for me it does
 
@HamZa I mean, in the hypothetical situation I had adblock with a blacklist, I don't know if I'd put youtube on that blacklist
 
2:29 PM
@Jasper Youtube is soooo annoying with those ads. I'm pretty sure they have got other resources (ie: the nsa or something similar)
 
Norton products got backdoor too.
 
@I'll-Be-Back you've got a link so that I can read ?
 
@cheesemacfly That's because it's rounded up :) - why don't you round your float manually?
 
@Jasper What's more annoying is that whenever I don't have adblock enabled I get ads about "make up". I mean lolwut ? Has google not realised I'm in love with programming ?
 
Well it is really old news, trying to find a link
 
2:34 PM
@HamZa I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube isn't running a profit. Also, I don't know why the NSA (or something similar) would be giving them money.
 
@Jimbo I saw that when I googled it but I think the simple question I can't answer is: Is ($i / 3) where $i is always an int an unknown fraction?
 
@cheesemacfly Technically, yes, because 4/3 is a fraction, but if you replace one of them with a variable, it's no longer "known" - unless, the source of the $i is known... it's not user provided, is it?
 
@Jasper Well the gov. may support such big companies to provide them access to user data
 
@Jasper They have been running a profit since only recently
 
2:38 PM
@HamZa They tend to get their data from Google through court, it seems. There has been quite some media coverage on that. The most recent story I remember being the one about Google wanting to publish which information the NSA was gettnig from them, but not being allowed to do so
 
@Jimbo $i is always known since it a simple for ($i...$i++). But I was confused by this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/2673808/1443490
 
@dragon112 Ah thanks. Is that information publicly available?
 
@cheesemacfly Oh you know what, f* it. Just use it, if you notice a problem, you'll know where the issue is
 
Why do you think USA Government is so quiet when google was capturing all the data from wifi in Europe?
USA Government is really pleased with Google.
 
@cheesemacfly Basically - if you're ever using floats to represent things that need to be cast to ints at the end of the result, then you've possibly done something wrong somewhere, as the ordering of how you do the operation can change the outcome.
 
2:41 PM
@Jimbo The worst is that it's part of a job app and I just wanted to get it right. I get the expected result but I wanted to be 100% sure I got this part right. Anyway, thanks for your help ;)
 
@I'll-Be-Back It doesn't really seem like a "backdoor"
 
Which is why SQL supports Decimal type for storing amounts of money, rather than float.
 
@Danack Well, you might have a point here. Let me check. Thanks
 
@Jasper Hmmm should be, let me check
 
@cheesemacfly You know about using php.net/manual/en/ref.bc.php for arbitrary precision maths?
 
2:46 PM
@dragon112 thanks
 
user895378
@Jimbo Hey, still around?
 
@rdlowrey Yep
 
@Danack Never used them. Will check, thanks for the link
 
@Danack they work with string, though, so their performance must be pretty bad, right?
 
@Jasper Almost 100 billion in assets...
 
2:52 PM
-13
Q: Dear sir, please give me simple form registration using php oops

sudhakarGive me any of simple form registration that inserts data into mysql using php oops Thanks and regards, sudhakar reddy n.

 
down, down it goes! We need to send it even deeper! — MightyPork 17 mins ago
 
@tereško "Thanks and regards, sudhakar reddy n." <-- I read sugar daddy....
 
also I like the "oops" in the title there :P
 
that's stackoverflow 4chan style
 
@Jasper If you care about getting the result exactly correct, (e.g. for a bank transaction) then you will be using software based maths. You should only use floats if the maths can never be considered precise - e.g. when reading a value from an electricity meter, where the value will have some imprecision to start with, so there is no possible 'exact' result.
 
2:54 PM
lol
 
@Danack True. I only mentioned performance to begin with since the question linked to earlier on mentioned it
 
Well I'm off for the day, see you all tomorrow
 
@Jasper The question I pointed to yes. But in my case I don't care too much. Sorry about the confusion!
I was confused by cletus's answer because it seemed to me that it was going against the statement in the documentation. But maybe I just don't get it right...
 
i'm off, see you guys
 
3:16 PM
Is it possible to have an interface extend Traversable (or an abstract class "implement" it), basically making a contract for the child classes, but not prescribing whether they should implement Iterator or IteratorAggregate?
 
Anyone know how to setup alias PHP="/usr/local/bin/php" permanently in Vagrant for a Centos VM?
Interface synopsis ¶

Traversable {
}
TEH FUCK?
 
@Danack yeah, it's a magical interface
I should rtfm:
> Note:

This is an internal engine interface which cannot be implemented in PHP scripts. Either IteratorAggregate or Iterator must be used instead. When implementing an interface which extends Traversable, make sure to list IteratorAggregate or Iterator before its name in the implements clause.
It doesn't seem to work for abstract classes, though :S
 
Damn, how the hell does such a simple question attract 2 wrong answers of non-newbees? stackoverflow.com/questions/18255500/…
 
3:31 PM
@Wrikken Not just non-n00bs... 30k+ users
 
@Wrikken Because they are repwhores.
 
Low hanging fruit I get.... but to lunge for it and miss....
 
did anyone ever think of suing a church?
 
Hm, and while I'm moaning about that I catch myself omitting an important caveat...
 
3:34 PM
I frikken hate these stupid bells. I want to work.
 
@Ocramius It's the same thing with adhan/azan/ezan for Muslims.
 
Does anybody know if there is a good reason why PHP doesn't support implementing Traversable (directly, not its child interfaces) in an abstract class?
 
@webarto yes. but these are doing this noise since at least 15 mins
 
(which is probably a similar question to: why do you have to list Iterator or IteratorAggregate before an interface that extends Traversable?)
 
3:38 PM
@Jasper It's a magic interface
 
@ircmaxell I know. It would still be good if you could have an abstract class without deciding whether child classes implement Iterator or IteratorAggregate, much like you can do with an interface by extending Traversable itself
 
eih
 
@Ocramius That's just too long...
 
@ircmaxell Do you use Trello?
 
no
 
3:42 PM
@webarto considering suing them for "bad influence on the IQ of the community in general"
 
I think my current use case can be done with just an interface, but it still feels off that I wouldn't be able to do the same if I wanted to implement an unrelated method (and thus turn the interface into an abstract class)
 
what do you use
 
@Ocramius I wouldn't sue church in a country where Grüß Gott is official hello.
 
I have this coding pattern that I've used in the past and I was wondering if it has a name.
class A{
    public $foo;
    public $bar;

    function test(){
        echo $foo." ".$bar;
    }

}

class B {
    protected $instance;
    public function __construct(A $instance){
         $this->instance = $instance;
    }

    public function __get($property){
        return $this->instance->$property;
    }

    public function __set($property, $value){
        return $this->instance->$property = $value;
    }

    public function __call($method, $args){
        return call_user_func_array(array($this->instance, $method), $args);
 
@webarto haha :P
man, that gives me the chills
 
3:45 PM
@Orangepill Proxy pattern
 
@Orangepill caretaker
 
@ircmaxell not the same interface in this case...
 
But it doesn't conform strictly to the pattern because of the magic.
 
@Ocramius behaviorally, yes it does
@Ocramius what's the "caretaker" pattern?
 
3:47 PM
I've always called it a duck proxy, I was just wondering if it had an official name
 
nah, there's a lot of confusion in naming in the whole area
 
@Orangepill It's a proxy.
 
@Orangepill: if you do only that, a Proxy. If you alter the behavior somewhat, a Decorator is a common name.
 
I don't think it's a proxy because of the different interface. You can't really treat it as the original type
but anyway, as said, it's blurred
 
3:49 PM
@Wrikken That's usually how I use it.
 
I didn't find decent definitions when looking for documentation for my talk :|
 
@Ocramius that describes the Proxy pattern to a T. Hence I don't recognize the "Handle Body pattern"
 
can someone explain to me, why is __set() and __get() there ? It seems to me like simply perpetuation of the leaking encapsulation
 
@Ocramius That gets to the semantics of type checking, which is outside of the scope of a pattern, and gets into implementation detail
 
3:50 PM
What is the popular Design Pattern?
 
@ircmaxell I'm not convinced of that
 
ok
 
it's not a drop-in replacement, so this goes more in the direction of a wrapper, but anyway, I don't have strong opinions
 
Wrapper == Proxy
 
and in fact for me Wrapper != Proxy, heh
 
3:51 PM
if it exposes the same public API (meaning interaction pattern), then it's a proxy
Wrapper can also mean Adapter, which has a different public API
 
yes, that is true, but in this case it's not having the different same API because of static typing
 
Is it possible to create any Design Pattern on top of existing MVC framework?
 
I think “github is down” is the new “my code is compiling”
I actually laughed.
 
@Ocramius it has the same API
 
@webarto unfortunately github outage is much rarer
 
3:53 PM
sorry, corrected
 
It just fails the "is a" test. That's why I prefix it with duck.
 
eih
 
caretaker seems to fit, since it transparently forwards messages. I just am not sure about the other use cases of caretaker
@Orangepill what do you do with this thing?
 
what is a caretaker, never heard of it, and never seen it
 
@Ocramius When I hear "caretaker" I immediately think Memento.
 
When I hear "caretaker" I immediately think cakephp
 
> A sensitive operation in my lab today went completely wrong. An accuator on an electron microscope went over its boundary, and after a chain of events I lost $12 million of equipment. I've narrowed down over 40K lines in the faulty module to this: stackoverflow.com/questions/16159203/…
 
@Ocramius I usually use it as a decorator... kinda to monkey patch on functions to objects at runtime.....
 
@Ocramius It's a decorator... Good lord, I am really starting to dislike all the bullshit crap on c2.com
 
@Orangepill I see... yes, probably fits this thing
@ircmaxell it's the only stuff that actually describes this family of patterns in more detail
all the rest I found is "let's invent new names"
 
3:57 PM
@Ocramius because that family of patterns shouldn't exist IMHO.
 
maybe
 
Anonymous
Some trollings are absurd
 
I usually only use it when it's late and I want to get to the bar....
 
@Orangepill and the previous uses of that are the reason why you might be late to the bar anyway
 
github is under attack!
I know I'm late but
 

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