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1:30 AM
Well, we can't get a that any soon without a lot of people commiting to it..
 
1:43 AM
yup, we might need to ask a moderator to do something about it
I've updated my post on meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328778/…
used the support tag, and explicitly asked for the tag to be created somehow
maybe pushing that post with upvotes would be more reasonable
 
2:05 AM
It would be more sensible to be able to group tags, into category tho.. there's alreay DOM, canvas tags.. I think this suggestion was put off..
 
2:15 AM
mmh, i think Web APIs still needs to be created
but we'll see what happens
 
 
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4:28 AM
even MDN doesn't put E4X in the spec table.. what's next documenting moz-extensions?
 
Knu
JavaScript is named that way for historical reasons, ECMAScript is what it is known today. E4X has a specification and means ECMAScript for XML. Gecko still supports its for…each in loop which was superseded by for…of. So yeah it makes perfect sense to have it.
 
Well, I'm not saying about removing historical context... , the topics versioning seems odd...
 
4:47 AM
Yes, and what do we do about proposals... a proposal even stage-3 is not in any spec
 
Knu
that's a personal opinion: stage 3 and 4 have a very good chance of being added
Id say add them
and be prepared to remove them if somehow it gets derailed
if it's a topic it's problematic since we can't do > 7
for an example just do > 7
(*of being added to the specification)
 
IMO stage-3 could be called as esnext ... and documenting stage-3 proposals should be fine.. but we've got request for stage-1 proposals... decorators/observables etc.. a
 
 
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11:18 AM
Urgently moving the blown-up console topic from the "Hello, World" to "Debugging". Please approve.
 
I made an improve request for that... it got dismissed.. heh
 
...and the corresponding shortened example for "Hello, world".
 
We need two approvals, so anyone else on?
 
Interesting, why some examples require one approval and the others two approvals?
 
Move/delete requires 2 I think..
Okay not..
 
11:30 AM
Waaait. Suddenly both of them got approved, saying it's only you who voted. Why that timeout, then?..
 
You might wanna add a link to the debugging topic?
Oh wait, there are two proposals that do it..
 
Knu
yeah Id say stage 1 and 2 should be rejected
 
Somebody please decide a name for Saying hello in JavaScript..
 
Knu
Introduction?
 
Let's see what other languages are doing and follow that?
 
Knu
11:43 AM
looking at it
I gotta say our hello world pages suxes
 
I checked TypeScript.. it's succinct
 
Knu
12:27 PM
should this be rejected?
I guess meta.stackoverflow.com/a/328581/248058 supports that it should be rejected
 
Hmm.. I think I saw somewhere an image that was copyrighted..
 
 
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3:10 PM
Greetings, humans. Or whatever you identify as.
 
meerkats are humans too.
 
They probably are.
 
Requests topics also need looking at.. please share your thoughts on some of them everyone..
 
3:34 PM
That discussion topic request... well... I find it funny that people find a way to create functionality that wasn't there.
 
Well, my thinking was..
You can vote on request topics, and vote on examples. Sounds familar.. So, questions are "topics", answers are "examples" ?
 
That anology does not really hold up. Bad topic requests get plenty of upvotes, because people don't really think through what a topic should contain. Examples should cover most aspects of a topic without cluttering it to the point it is no longer useful.
But that discussion topic request at least reaches people in this tag, where a Q&A on meta would not reach the right people
stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/topic-requests/425 Not sure about this request. I don't see how we can make it a good topic in javascript, as it is mostly about resource management.
stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/topic-requests/3102 - This would be a topic with random trivia?
stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/topic-requests/3481 - This would be a list of links. Not a good fit for documentation.
stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/topic-requests/2684 - Is this not handled somewhere already?
Most other topics have some value I think. At least when they get created.
 
3:53 PM
UMD is a module definition.. unless you like lot of boilerplate you don't write them.. and let build tools generate it for you..
 
Okay. Well, I have never heard of it. :P
That number float int thingy is covered here: stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/1799/…
Also why do people like the json reviver function so much?
 
4:12 PM
A topic for UMD? ehh why
YUI is dead
 
request for RequireJS will be next, then... module bundlers..
 
I hate bundlers and stuff
 
Knu
UMD is pure JS so yeah that belongs there
we can't put it under modules
cause it covers the ES6 aspect only
 
Everything is pure js
 
Knu
anyone wanna speed review changes with me?
like a batch of 25
guess not :)
 
4:31 PM
I don't think I can. The rep limit is 200 now?
 
I am writing something right now
Reviewing changes does not award rep?
 
Knu
I dunno I don't care
 
And I haven't actually hit a cap on the number of reviews I can do on docs.
 
Knu
I think 2 rep
 
You get 2 rep for suggesting a change, and getting it accepted
 
Knu
4:33 PM
oh then maybe nothing ull have to check the wiki page about rep
 
but not for reviewing them. You only make it more likely someone else gets to your edit suggestion
 
Huh, I can still approve..
Oh it was repcap.. got mistaken
 
Please vote up this post if you haven't, so we get support from SO to create the Web APIs tag in documentation meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328778/…
And also vote up this post if you haven't, so we can start merging DOM topics into the DOM tag meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328723/…
 
Knu
4:56 PM
@MarcoScabbiolo do we have the tools to make the migration?
I won't support it if it requires to do it manually
 
@Knu eh... what do I even close that as?
 
Knu
"the JS tag doesn't cover libraries"?
something like that
or
migrate to <link of the jQuery tag>
 
The second meta post is proposal for that feature..
 
Knu
I dunno who accepted the constant variables topic
but he's not fit to be a reviewer
 
I just said.. "Please search for the jQuery tag. "
 
Knu
5:02 PM
should I have requested the deletion instead?
I mean we should have a topic named I dunno declarations? which would cover them all
 
@Knu 70% of the reviews were probably by peeps who have no idea what they're reviewing.
 
Knu
I don't think the tools we currently have are enough
 
@Knu the second link i posted is a proposal for a method to merge topics into another tags and it is planned to be made, so we don't right now, but evetually we will, that's why i'm asking for people to vote up that post, to give the subject more attention
 
Knu
what Id support is going back to a second private beta
rolling out new features
and then relaunch
 
I may be wrong but.. don't we already have const
 
5:06 PM
@knu haha, i agree, but
that would be making business decissions for SO
 
Knu
@cswl no idea but seeing "constant variables" irked me too much
I had to do something
with the blog post… they are bound to continue
 
Yes, we'll have to deal with this madness for a couple of months
 
Okay maybe not.. hard to keep track of things when there are similar looking topics..
 
Knu
If only I could post on meta anonymously :)
 
 
Knu
5:21 PM
that's a transformation?
I could understand the relation from a noob pov
 
apart from the poorly formatted code..
 
Knu
5:42 PM
Someone is on windows?
 
Linux.
 
Knu
but I need a windows user to be sure
 
It also changes for mac, doesn't it
 
And assumes readline's installed.
@Knu hah I'm using a Windows VM right now (IE9, Win 7)
Do I need to install something?
 
No, it's an core API .. but should belong in node.js
 
5:57 PM
Wait, readline's now part of Nodejs?
Or has it been in there, since like forever?
ever*
whatever
 
Yeah, it can consume any readable stream.. nodejs.org/api/readline.html
 
Is the JavaScript documentation going to use "5, 6, 7" for versioning rather than "ES5, ES6, ES7" or "ES5, ES6, ES2016"?
 
I've only seen 5,6,7
 
There was meta about adding version alias. iirc
 
jesus
> OOPS with JAVASCRIPT
how about.. NO?
 
6:08 PM
the "Introduction" in Promises could now start with, "This chapter is an introduction to asynchronous programming via Promises "
 
Is there anyone else who thinks the section about return in Functions docs states the obvious?
 
@gcampbell You should check how to reverse strings..
 
@cswl lol...
 
@cswl That reversing strings bit is missing all the info you need to cope with Unicode.
 
Okay, that came out wrong.. I meant the example for..
 
6:19 PM
@Aadit Really, bruh?
That doesn't belong there. It might have a chance in the "JavaScript Adventures" section, though.
 
Did you checked the linked SO answer there..
 
Helo
I am confused in one thing
sometimes my website works fine but sometimes its closed
 
Uhm, I'm pretty sure you're in the wrong room..
 
this is not the place for that
 
6:24 PM
...
 
If your website's sometimes closed, you have other issues.
I wish stuff like this has a "JS Misc." tag.
 
Yeah, he just wants to iterate over them..
var myJSONObject = {
"name":"John Doe",
"age":32,
"job":"Software Engineer",
"married":false,
"gender":"M"
};
what the puck
 
Yeah, it's object literal syntax..
 
> Functional programming can be summed up as:
> > Where we think and code in functions. It introduces an entirely different way of coding things in javascript.
um, no
 
6:40 PM
Well, most just call using map filter and reduce instead of loops functional...
 
anyways, you can discuss about js-doc here..
 
ok cool
am i wrong about this?
in Documentation Public Beta, 5 mins ago, by Trevor Clarke
shouldn't things like this:
http://stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/185/hello-world/7026/using-stdout#t=201607231900130270643
be under the node.js tag?
 
@cswl #FunctionScopesMatter
 
@TrevorClarke process.stdout.write('Hello world!'); I think even node.js has console.log..
 
7:08 PM
hmm
 
I vote close it as incorrect
 
Knu
@littlepootis launch firefox
 
a min. installing.
 
Knu
1. ctrl+shift+k twice
2. close dev tools if it's still open
3. ctrl+shift+i twice
 
@Knu opens console, stays open
@Knu had to close
 
Knu
7:13 PM
so i does it but not k correct?
 
Knu
alright thx
you can reject stackoverflow.com/documentation/proposed/changes/… if you agree with my comment
so much effort for so little :)
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
don't we have alert/ confirm already? stackoverflow.com/documentation/proposed/changes/42429
 
Oh shit, accidentally approved.
 
Knu
7:19 PM
just checking
right?
 
> Sometimes you don't want to have your function accessible/stored as a variable. You can create an Immediately Invoked Function Expression (IIFE for short).
Not what an IIFE is for.
 
Knu
ah I know it's the useless () that bother me, nvm
 
Hey guys
you think it would be bad if I go around fixing bad grammar?
 
Knu
if you do it on examples that don't have tons of upvotes
it's fine
else it's a bother
 
Knu
7:23 PM
ur just trying to farm reputation in our eyes
 
may I ask why?
ahh
ok
 
Knu
read î
 
ahh okay makes sense
 
Knu
> Oh shit, accidentally approved.
 
7:25 PM
Revert?
 
Knu
@littlepootis :)
nah revert doesn't exist
cancel neither
 
you could flag it for improvment
 
Knu
Trevor it was a quotation from little
 
7:26 PM
I wish I could revert.
It's so annoying.
 
Knu
@littlepootis I don't care it's fine :)
 
Turn back time.
 
So, we don't have doc for alert confirm prompt ?
 
really
 
Knu
@littlepootis if you wanna improve it
add a line for linux using hyper and shift
 
Knu
hyper = ctrl on linux AFAIK
old school :)
 
little things like: http://stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/208/comparison-operations/2110/abstract-vs-strict-equality-and-operators#t=201607231928183538093

should "official documentation" be capitalized

I approved it but... I think the editor was probably trying to edit it to farm rep
like it was more complicated... but now its not capitalized and probs doesnt matter right>
?
 
Knu
@TrevorClarke concentrate on topics that are JS language specific
so anything that looks like a web API you can skip
in short you should concentrate your effort on things that you think will remain
 
7:32 PM
That's a link to the spec..
 
Knu
in the version section yes
 
Knu
@trevor yeah the spec shouldn't be linked directly in the example unless it's specific to a certain version of the spec
an example of an exception would be JSON
 
ohh ok
 
Knu
an earlier version of the specification was vague
 
7:35 PM
ok ok
 
Night, guys
 
thanks guys!
Night little
 
Knu
cya
 
Night pootis
 
so stupid stuff like that do i reject
 
7:38 PM
Do people not run examples before adding them?
 
Knu
you are entitled to choose
if you dunno, pass
ur asking too much @cswl :)
ppl will start to care when negative scores on examples hurt their reputation
 
@Knu kk thx
 
Knu
you are NOT entitled to choose
typo :)
I am out
gl hf
 
7:44 PM
...
You have got to be kidding me!
You think its time we create a meta post?
 
in Documentation Review, 12 hours ago, by cswl
@ivrani Well, on second thought.. I guess it will be hard to have some quality control now.. so we might just wait sometime,, and clean the cruft later
 
I was thinking of writing a "meta topic".. stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/drafts/34277
 
wot
o
Yup
do it
 
For visibility.. as most people don't look at meta post, or chat..
 
7:53 PM
yup
what are you going to add
nm
 
Well, I let it go.. anyways I should be going off too now
 
ok
well seeya
 
We have let/const and TDZ in Functions?? stackoverflow.com/documentation/proposed/changes/42530
 

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