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3:00 PM
@AshishAhujaツ but not directed at anyone
 
@Tunaki yeah I moved the explanation to the end...
 
ok
 
and I do not think NOTICE is needed...
 
@ColdFire rude is rude; I don't know what the message is, so I'm just guessing
 
@Tuna interesting response... : )
 
3:03 PM
hahaha
oh god
this is funny
and here I was trying to say "hey they're kinda rude though, don't go out starting wars"
 
hehe
 
meh leave the meta crowd at itself, we have numbers
 
yeah I will stop commenting...
 
wow so many comments
 
meta can be surprisingly bad at actually posting answers to discussions.
 
3:17 PM
I had to leave one
 
nice comment tuna
 
Tuna: making the branching factor of meta -1
 
it would actually be interesting if the best answer is that it ok to leave these comments : ), easier to classify
 
I hate meta
that is why I want to be so precautious with the posts Petter
 
late response; I flagged it because I don't want to look at the starboard and see "fuck this fuck that and fuck that"
 
3:22 PM
and all sorts of warnings
because those guys are so easily focused on their jelly button
they don't see the question
and clarify 10 times what the post is about
 
@TimCastelijns man it was so old post leave it
 
mix in all sorts of pedantic users
and the thing sinks down "because"
 
@ColdFire 3 days is not old in my book
 
I do wish that the recent reminder that discussions really should not be downvoted as harshly would have stuck.
 
in Ruby :: Sometimes on Rails, 3 mins ago, by Wayne Conrad
I see people defending those comments. Defending them! Amazing.
well we have some support : )
 
3:31 PM
:D
 
@PetterFriberg yeah
 
Yeah moderator stepped in...
 
great
 
yes in favour of you petter
pretty clear rude and should be nuked he said
 
3:47 PM
Interesting
Maybe ask Brad what's his take on user-nuking
 
meeh lets keep only to if we should include these comments (flag'em) or not... user nuking is a mod problem
 
No, I mean
Users nuking comments
As in, us when we're more than a handful
 
Yeah maybe, but undo has already asked us to ping or flag post if a real problem...
I guess Brad know well what we are doing and he states only that he does not like auto-flagging... hence users must review and flag...
 
Mh
 
as you wish Kyll... the choice is yours.. : )
 
3:56 PM
Woah, sanity
 
it could be interesting to see his response.
even Brad answer has a nice -2
this is really a complex issue on SO
 
Let's just hope it goes hot and brings views from other people than the usual meta id**t
 
reload, reload : )
 
:D
 
Is there any issue to Heat Detector and the SOCVFinder room single-handedly nuking such comments? That is, multiple users from that room reviewing comments and casting enough flags for them to be destroyed. — Kyll 12 secs ago
^ gud?
 
3:59 PM
hmm queen is down : ), maybe I should download Tuna's update and start her...
@Kyll its yours, I have no problem, lets see what he says...
 
oh wait
I forgot about that
 
xD
 
m2 : )
did you commit the chat lib or do I need to run ant?
 
i didn't
I don't have the code at my work computer, doing it now
alright pushed @Petter
 
he got +6 now
 
4:07 PM
there's a certain comment on that Meta that makes me want to puke really
 
@Tunaki flagging
 
flags everywhere
@Tunaki which is it codegray's one?
 
I'm sure he won't just post it here...
but probably not:P
 
@Kyll - I'm not terribly excited about a chatroom gathering together to coordinate flags on content in order to automatically delete it. I think it's helpful to have an outside party review these comments to provide another perspective. Also, if there's a pattern of abusive comments, moderators won't know about it if they're silently deleted via coordinated flags (that's another moderator tooling issue to be addressed). — Brad Larson ♦ 1 min ago
@Tunaki Link?
 
@Kyll Zelda
 
4:12 PM
@Tunaki Ah come on >.>
 
yeah come on link
 
Tuna with the jokes today.
 
4:44 PM
@que alive
 
Sure thing buzzing around
 
@que 1 [java]
 
Petter Friberg in java scanned 1079 questions between Jul 25 09:54 and Aug 29 18:44 filtered and ordered: 1 in batch 1625
 
oki doki : )
@QUE DIE
 
Bye bye
 
4:46 PM
@Kyll more or less what I was expecting
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.96) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.90) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
@Queen fp
 
5:03 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.97) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
5:16 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
5:31 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.13) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
6:06 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 7 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.75) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
6:24 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire
 
@Queen fp
 
@Queen fp
 
6:45 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.24 OpenNLP:0.86) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.35) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.98) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire
 
@Petter maybe we can add a guideline in the FAQ "please don't pile on flags unless the comment really warrants it, only one flag is enough for a moderator to take a look".
to address Brad's concern?
Oh a bug
in Duplicate Posts, 1 min ago, by Queen
[ SOCVFinder ] [How to plot files with numpy ](//stackoverflow.com/q/12311767)
at least that was useful :)
we need to trim the title
 
7:05 PM
Hiya o/
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.94) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire
 
@Tunaki I like that guideline. Do we also want to ensure that we only flag things we have marked "tp"? There are some "fp" that I sometimes flag for other reasons (obsolete/chatty).
 
No for me, the 'too chatty' ones we catch are really bonuses. The main goal is still the fp / tp feedback loop for the classifier which is only for abusive / not constructive.
we catch a too chatty, ok, it can be flagged. but fp for the classifier so that it does not start reporting all of those :)
 
Ok works for me.
Just to clarify, we're using "Not constructive" for snarky stuff that could lead to needless bickering but isn't bad enough for "offensive". Is this correct?
 
@Tunaki its hard to know who flags...
@ryanyuyu flag as you wish mostly do non constructive (to avoid declined flags)
 
7:15 PM
@ryanyuyu Yeah I'd go for "not constructive" for snarky ones and rude for one that should be deleted right there
 
since no one knows who flags, its hard to have a policy don't pile flags...
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen tp
 
lol.... that comment : )
 
well intentioned, but still inappropriate for professional discourse.
 
7:16 PM
lol
 
I think its a bit up to use to control this issue...
Will at it il will ping undo
 
We could kinda go with a first-comment-first-flag system.
 
@undo if you like the credentials to the database where the comments are collect. just send me an email (I have submitted mine to metasmoke), I'm happy to give you the credentials if you think it is useful for you.
 
@ryanyuyu or first feedback or first flag
 
@ryanyuyu Realistically, I (we?) treat all comment flags the same. The flag types are mostly used as (extremely) rough filters.
 
7:22 PM
still we can't really enforce any of that so it is mostly a guideline
 
right. I figure the first one to give feedback has already flagged or is going to flag.
 
yeah
 
We're coached to spend as little time as possible on comment flags, so we don't really try to enforce flag categorization. Usually it's a quick delete/no-delete decision, with the same process being used regardless of category.
 
Ok good to know
 
@PetterFriberg Don't really need/want them. I'll let you know if I do :)
@Tunaki Link?
nvm, found it
Realistically, I suspect ya'll are pretty much never going to hit the 6-flag mark. I might be wrong, and I don't have the numbers.
 
7:25 PM
Eh, I wouldn't be so sure of that, maybe we did cross it
 
6 flag mark?
I thought it was just 3 + upvotes/3 for comments
 
But if we did, the comment really warranted deletion at the spot
 
oh, that sounds right
@ryanyuyu Yeah, you might hit that.
 
We've definitely hit 3 a few times.
 
Really, this is something that the system needs better tooling for. Telling ya'll how to flag is just a (maybe necessary) bandaid.
 
7:27 PM
Ok pushed the little change to the FAQ.
 
oh, hey undo:)
 
Ok, Undo, just let me know, really no problem, if it useful send the email...
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.90 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
comment edited "sued" was typo "used".
 
@Queen fp
 
7:49 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.05 OpenNLP:0.56) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
8:31 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.96) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
@Queen tp
 
hmm the "be nice" regex (that's meant to find comments we do not hit) is giving fp's... we need to rethink it...
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
8:51 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.91) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
 
@que tp
 
ok gn guys
 
cya
already raised mod flag on last comment, excessively bugging the dupe hammer with also a rude comment
 
9:31 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.98 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
10:04 PM
@Queen tp
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.88) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
I did flag as too chatty. But yeah not the kind we want the classifier to get.
 
yeah, it is too chatty
 
hmm did I mess up?... let me check db..
 
10:09 PM
mess up? no why?
 
Yeah it had some swear words, but it was not really offensive...
I have no courage to ask what to do with all the swear words, I just barely survived meta today
 
Meta's response seems to be: don't hunt them down.
 
meeh meta response is unclear, SE says yes, meta users says no/yes, and we have not had any non meta users...
 
well Brad said he'd probably delete them if flagged, doesn't mean they should be searched for ;)
 
well next upvoted answer says yes...
@Tunaki should we flag as NAA?
 
10:15 PM
lol
let's nuke it as spam
:p
well meh.... I really hope the post goes hot at some point...
 
"make sure your model stays on track" which means include them in model and review manually
 
eh true enough I guess
@Burn stop
 
Bye.
 
@Tunaki Yeah we would have some response from non meta users...
Nobody here is going to appreciate your efforts because most of the people who use meta are the same people posting these rude, barely over the bar for constructiveness comments. It's unfortunate that the culture here on SO is one of snark and snobbiness to newbies. But I'm not sure how that could actually be changed in practice. It is annoying when people help vampire and what not. But reading your comments made me sad. — eddie_cat 7 hours ago
great courage, but also true eddie, we did choose their comments...
 
yep...
 
10:28 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.03) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
@Queen fp
 
that damn "be nice" regex is not working...
Yeah : )
"be nice" needs to be removed every where : )
 
This shows remarkably little effort on regular expressions.
 
whitelist all the things
 
lets kill all thanks comment instead, meta will be very happy with this : )
 
10:32 PM
@Queen test This shows remarkably little effort on regular expressions.
 
@AndrasDeak [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 2 ★☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.26)
 
passed under the radar
 
Yeah!, perfect
wondering if this is still caught?
@que test Ok. That's nice. Good luck with that. Did you have a programming question? This site is for questions, not a place to dump your christmas wish list
 
@PetterFriberg [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.96)
 
yeah..
 
10:33 PM
@Que test This shows remarkably little effort
 
@Tunaki [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 3 ★☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.39)
 
hmm
 
yeah it has lost the J48 point...
 
@Que my eyessssssssssssss they burn
 
@Tunaki Where did you get your eyessssssssssssss they burn?
 
10:34 PM
huh
 
@Que test my eyessssssssssssss they burn
 
@Tunaki [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.99)
 
yes ok
oh and @Petter having a 3 way classifier is way harder than a boolean one
so having normal / not constructive meh / rude is going to be difficult with an acceptable accuracy
 
Yeah I'm not going for that, can't see any sense in it... to close vote.. bahh, to wait for op to flame out could be fun, but not really productive
 
10:36 PM
agree
 
I think if someone thinks its a good idea to find the snark to flag posts, well then just make a classifier for that.
 
cya all o/
cya Petter, I pushed a small fix to Queen. I promise I didn't break anything :)
 
thanks, cya sleep well
 
10:54 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
@que fp
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.98) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
11:22 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.91) comment cc: @ryanyuyu @PetterFriberg
 
11:42 PM
@Queen unnotify
 
@ryanyuyu Notification from comments feed removed
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 8 ★★★★☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.84) comment cc: @PetterFriberg
 
11:55 PM
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