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10:00 AM
and frankly, me having to explain this kinda proves my point :D
 
if I acquire a deep and abiding knowledge of void pointers and triple indirection my brain might push out something critical in order to make room
 
Wes
i'm pretty sure i'd forget my first name or something if i learned c @PaulCrovella :B
 
@JoeWatkins well… it anyway was visible when I opened the chat right now, even without pings…
 
Last time I tried to do C it worked on only ONE machine
 
good C devs feel like deep sea creatures to me. you don't get to see one too often, but when you do, you immediately realize how different life below there must be.
 
10:04 AM
But at least it worked
 
@Wes it's not that hard if you don't need to deal with triple indirection and void pointers as @PaulCrovella said
 
@Wes well then you just pick a new one.. what if I forget pie? that'd be awful
 
Anonymous
@Gordon this is very true :P
 
@Gordon And they've got pale skins and scary eyes?
 
@JoeWatkins I wished I were correct that often … Often I trust my gut feelings … it's not always correct, but a little more often than not, that's all…
 
10:05 AM
@Trucy some of them
 
do they have that little light dangling in front of their faces? those are cool
 
@JoeWatkins It's not really awkward, but it feels like you have an a little exaggerated image of us in your head … like we were the ideal devs :-)
 
no pressure
 
dev-ils
 
I often imagine @bwoebi with little tentacles on his face. you know, like ktulu.
 
10:07 AM
@Gordon :-P
 
IA IA, @BWOEBI F'THAGN!!!
 
The only one who can trigger me is Joe, because he's dead serious…
 
I prefer devs with pale skins and weird eyes than devs with js libraries stickers on their laptops…
 
@bwoebi can you release a new aerys version today please so we can test in prod?
 
yep
 
10:10 AM
tnx
 
Anonymous
@Trucy yeah. The really weird devs are the sexy ones. How can you be a good developer and be beautiful? Just doesn't work
 
@JayIsTooCommon Look at me, I'm both
 
@Trucy that makes up for @jay being neither
 
Anonymous
@PaulCrovella back off...
 
oh I stay as far back as possible already
 
10:12 AM
@PaulCrovella back off...
 
Anonymous
Feb 16 at 15:32, by JayIsTooCommon
@PaulCrovella @Jimbo's mum said people who are nasty to me, just fancy me.
 
hold onto that
 
@Ekin I do? Uhhhh
 
:D
 
Seems I got it late last year (in a bundle I presume), no I haven't played it
 
10:16 AM
I see, it seemed like a nice one. Alrite
 
Ah yea checking the video, I remember this, on my todo list
like 100s of others
 
:-)
 
A good solution to not have a hundred of games on your todo list is to NOT buy bundles
Or games when they're in sale
 
Easy to say
 
I've been doing it for 6 months
Only bought the games I wanted to play NOW
 
10:21 AM
A lot of the time a bundle might even have 1 game I want - but still cheaper than that one game itself
 
I only buy a game if I intend to play it as soon as it's downloaded
That works too
But only if you intend to play it now
 
but it will become more expensive again in the future!
 
you've got enough money to do it
 
I could just... download them for free
 
Yeah if you're an Evil Pirate
 
10:24 AM
Do you know how I got out of that habit?
 
Bundles
 
:)
 
@Trucy A good solution is not to use Windows
 
@Gordon yeah that works too
I only play games on my handhelds now
(and soon ps4)
 
@Gordon So, what you're saying is, the only solution is to use Linux?
 
10:25 AM
steam on Ubuntu is damn good
 
Which actually has pretty decent support for games these days
 
(I still have a windows machine to play some games I must play, like KOTOR)
 
a mac might be your only answer
 
Or an archlinux
You'll be too busy trying to make it work
 
Well that's not true, I use arch on my laptop at home
I haven't had to do any major fiddling for a long time
the trickiest bit is the install, and that's pretty well documented
 
10:28 AM
need two devices to install arch.
 
@kelunik did you really write "webSocket" instead of "websocket"? :-(
 
@bwoebi No, I wrote "WebSocket".
 
@kelunik yeah, no matter what
either Websocket or websocket please :x
 
wat …
okay.
fine.
 
10:34 AM
;-)
 
stupid RFC authors
 
WebSocket or GTFO
 
bah
@PeeHaa go testing instead …
 
!!mdn websockets
 
[ WebSocket ] The WebSocket object provides the API for creating and managing a WebSocket connection to a server, as well as for sending and receiving data on the connection.
 
10:38 AM
^ See JS also agrees :P
@bwoebi \o/
 
this is another gif vs jif thing where the creator is wrong
 
@PaulCrovella :-)
 
@PaulCrovella Sounds like php to me
 
@PeeHaa They merely copied from the RFC!
 
@Leigh it used to work well for me in the last five years. but more and more games become available for linux now. not necessarily AAA titles, but still enjoyable titles. I started to buy again. though still not comparison to my windows days
 
10:39 AM
@bwoebi :D
 
I was just asked to balance a Binary Search Tree by JFK's airport immigration. Welcome to America.
 
Iiiiiiii'm gonna call bullshit
 
@bwoebi 99.99999999% is obvious hyperbole ... it's not so exaggerated in reality ... I was just trying to defend c programmers from the accusation of being weird, or strange ...
 
:-)
 
@PeeHaa right but no one argues that
 
10:41 AM
I quite like the sea creature metaphor Gordon came up with ... I remember feeling like that, many moons ago ...
but it didn't make me think, eww slimy sea creatures, it made me think I want to be like that ...
 
if I get one of the dangly lights I'm down
 
@Vamsi So many people are taking this seriously :D
Someone from the register got in contact, check the comments
 
they want it to be true ... I'm not sure why, there are plenty legit reasons to hate on trump that everyone understands ...
 
@Jimbo Not that that says much considering "journalism" nowadays
 
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10:46 AM
personally this is the last straw for me President Trump orders his steak well done with ketchup
 
It's catsup though
 
which only compounds the problem
 
I don't have a problem with that
Nobody likes cats
nobody
 
@PaulCrovella why is that even news worthy…
 
@bwoebi it's the avclub... they're from the onion.. they laugh at things
 
10:49 AM
mhm
 
@PeeHaa as a culinary authority, it's ketchup you plebeian philistine
 
@PeeHaa I should kick you for that
 
2 mins ago, by PeeHaa
nobody
 
@JoeWatkins I am happy we could agree on that, my dear glowing deep C jellyfish
 
you're just jealous that you don't have the swagger of a cat ...
 
10:51 AM
s/swagger/asshole
 
you're jealous you don't have a cat's asshole?
 
I am seriously afraid of that moment when my C code becomes "good". It means I must have slipped into insanity.
 
now I realize the word insanity became an instant reminder of this
 
11:00 AM
Can I please suggest to start using proper github releases @bwoebi?
 
@PeeHaa forgot it, … wanted to wait for travis and then do it…
 
\o/ you sexy beast
 
aren't tags treated as releases ?
 
@Jimbo not too sure if it was just a joke, check Hacker News thread
 
@JoeWatkins Kinda
tags are git
 
11:05 AM
Hello, one question.. I can link each other two select box one normal and another multiple by mysql database?
 
releases are github features containing a tag and more info
like release description, binaries etc
 
Anonymous
@ChristopheCosta wat?
 
Anonymous
I want a Costa now :(
 
looooooool
 
11:06 AM
@ChristopheCosta you have a boyfriend yet?
Because @JayIsTooCommon is a pretty fine mankid
3
 
Anonymous
@PaulCrovella don't get jealous now.
 
what is happening ?
 
@JoeWatkins I think @PeeHaa is trying to pimp out @Jay
 
but he's only 12
 
so was jodie foster in taxi driver
 
11:23 AM
I'd have to watch a film to understand ... it's too monday for that
 
posted on February 27, 2017 by bwoebi

amphp/aerys v0.4.6

 
@JoeWatkins she was 12 and played a prostitute.. that's about it. good flick though, worth a watch.
 
Like almost all Scorsese movies
 
so.... there was this anime I was watching...
 
Hey Laravel experts i have a confusion with my model. While I have a large set of query and i need different results with the copied set . But i tried a lot with storing the query in different variables yet the conditions above mentioned are being repeated even it have been used in different temp variables.
 
11:29 AM
and suddenly this shows up
 
@Ekin almost? off the top of my head I can't think of one that fell flat
 
Jan 29 at 20:22, by kelunik
Jan 5 at 9:13, by kelunik
Dec 23 '16 at 9:42, by Joe Watkins
we don't do laravel
 
@bwoebi github.com/amphp/aerys/compare/v0.4.5...v0.4.6 misses a couple of fixes.
 
@PaulCrovella Right, same here. I was just not sure about the ones I haven't seen yet. But yeah, true that
 
Hey, is there someone who can help me with fractal, I am having some trouble with searching for a particular key from transformer.
 
11:32 AM
@kelunik hmm? looks right to me?!
 
I know not everyone liked bringing out the dead, but I thought it was interesting and one of nicolas cage's better roles
 
@PaulCrovella sounds horrific
 
@kelunik Already in 0.4.5?
 
@JoeWatkins it's not an easy movie, that's for sure
 
11:34 AM
PHP trolls me again
 
@Unknown this only means it works as intended
 
I have two functions with the exact same code, that only differ in their name and parameters, and one works while the other one doesn't
*Only in their name, even the parameters have the same names
 
@bwoebi These tags with rebased commits suck.
 
Two functions in one file with the same code and a different name - one works as intended, the other one can't execute the MySQL statement correctly (same statement)
 
11:37 AM
read what you just wrote again, and ask what is more likely, that PHP is fundamentally broken, or that you are wrong ?
 
um... why_not_both.jpg
 
@Unknown have you checked your error messages?
 
There is no error
But the SQL statement returns 0 rows
instead of one
It's the exact same statement and the exact same code to handle it
 
@PaulCrovella because if functions only worked in specific files or namespaces, it would be impossible to write any software ...
 
@Unknown sounds like spooky action at a distance
 
11:38 AM
true
 
@JoeWatkins well I don't mean it's fundamentally broken as described
 
@Unknown meaning: make sure you are not changing the databases somewhere else between these calls
 
I'm not
I call them independently
 
also, when they are the exact same methods, why have both? single source of truth.
 
I execute the script once for one of them, and another time for the other one. It's a SELECT statement
 
11:40 AM
execute the queries with a mysql client to verify the results
 
@Gordon they had a different purpose, meaning they retrieve a different value using the MySQL SELECT, but as one didn't work, I made them equal to face the problem.
The queries work flawless
When executed with the working function or a client
Just not with the magical "imRetarded" function
 
well, without seeing the functions and some calling code, I cannot help you
 
I'll upload a threat now.... w8
 
that sounds like a thread :D
 
i believe it would have a huge positive impact to the whole php community if it would be possible to write php extensions in rust. are there any thoughts about supporting that?
 
@Gordon i know these articles i even created different kinds of hello world extensions in rust. i think for the community it's useless unless there is an official supported solution
 
official supported version of what ?
 
he want's a supported rust SDK for making PHP exts, maintained by internals, I guess
to which I can tentatively say - not a chance :p
 
not sure why we would start with rust, not sure that we need any such thing ... if your target language has interop with C/C++, then you can write in your target language ...
also ... that article is scary ...
> Segmentation fault: 11
followed by Sweet ! ...
no, not sweet, you're obviously doing it wrong ...
 
@timg That's something that has to start out as a separate library
 
11:59 AM
> So why might you want to do this? Well, I honestly don’t have a real world use case for this yet.
 
Okay I uploaded the threat. I'll kill you if you wont look at my thread.
Is it allowed to link a thread here, or is that illegal thread-pushing?
 
@timg The main thing that is needed is a rust library that exposes a rusty API to PHP internals (for zvals that would mean reimplementing some parts in rust, for other things it means wrapping ffi). This is quite a lot of work and there is little benefit to that being in core
 
Nevermind, it was a forking typo driving me crazy again -_-
 
Well, every struct would have to be re-written if you want to use it. Can you even emulate some of those struct hacks in Rust?
 
@Leigh with enough unsafe, sure :D
Untagged unions are also coming
 
12:02 PM
If you're going to use unsafe, might as well just do it in C
 
@Leigh
 
The point is that you expose safe apis with unsafe impl
 
but you can write save wrappers around that unsafe code
 
Lots of work for no gain
 
I think there could be quite a lot of gain
 
12:04 PM
I started this kind of thing for D ... I gave up about 20% of the way through ...
 
yeah well, D is useless
 
I can't imagine Rust playing nice with zmm
 
hehe ... I like it ... haven't done anything worthwhile in it though ...
 
i guess it's quite hard to write production ready php extensions at the moment. changing this would be a huge plus for the community. there are soo much safe wrappers written in rust, even if it would be just possible for "not that experienced" developers to write safe php extensions based on these safe rust wrappers it would be a huugge win
 
@timg there was another person who was interested in this ... let me find
 
12:06 PM
well you can write your stuff in Rust, then compile it to C and then swig some wrappers for PHP around that IIRC
 
Hey Laravel experts i have a confusion with my model. While I have a large set of query and i need different results with the copied set . But i tried a lot with storing the query in different variables yet the conditions above mentioned are being repeated even it have been used in different temp variables.
 
36 mins ago, by Saitama
Jan 29 at 20:22, by kelunik
Jan 5 at 9:13, by kelunik
Dec 23 '16 at 9:42, by Joe Watkins
we don't do laravel
 
the allure of writing extensions is going to near as makes no difference disappear when we have a JIT, it feels about 5 years too late for this kind of innovation ...
 
@NikiC I remember multiple people attempting to make something work there about two years ago, but rust wasnt stable enough back then and also not so easy to achieve anyway
 
@PaulCrovella i didnt understand
 
12:08 PM
@timg twitter.com/bowersbros was asking about this recently. Maybe you want to band together and get something started ;)
@JoeWatkins I'd say that most extensions are not written for performance reasons, but for library interfacing
 
that's true, there was a whole conversation about the perf thing this morning though, it's still on people's minds
isn't the solution to that ffi anyway, not lang specific sdks
 
@VishnuSBabu this is not a friendly place for laravel questions .
 
speaking of ffi, anyone toyed with github.com/mgdm/MFFI ?
 
you would get a lot of awesome libraries for free, and it would be so much easier to maintain these extensions.
 
free... maintain...
 
12:13 PM
@NikiC do you sometimes feel like a glowing jelly fish living 10000ft under the sea?
 
@Paul I think FFI needs to be a core feature for it to be usable ... it needs to be maintained alongside PHP ... right now, mffi might look okay, 5 years hence, it will be an unmaintainable mess as it will have to function among many many different versions of PHP, and who knows how much they will change ...
 
understood, was just curious
 
@Gordon tentacly?
I guess they're more tendrily
 
@Gordon Ah, no?
 
probably because a glowing jellyfish doesn't know it's a glowing jellyfish
 
12:17 PM
if you take a closer look at how much people maintain to php, i think it's a scary. i think this is not because the community is not interesting in contributing, there is a huge lack of knowledge. reducing this lack by supporting developer friendly languages like rust could help to enable less experienced developers to support php :)
 
@JoeWatkins probably
 
@JoeWatkins No, because I don't know what a f'ing ft is
 
What's up with this use of incompetent units? I thought @Gordon was German?
 
@Vamsi Isnt it a PHP questionaire room?
 
12:18 PM
@NikiC ctxt
 
PHP 5.x, PLZ GDIAF. https://3v4l.org/gEvkC
 
@timg that's rather a different idea than writing extensions in some other language ... writing parts of the core in another language is pretty much out of the question
 
dammit PHP 5.
 
@Leigh well, isn't tendrily how they make love? I think there is also an old elvis song about it… love me tendrily
8
 
12:22 PM
there is no PHP 5, only zuul
 
@Ocramius you know the solution to that problem :P
 
it's fire and burning
 
@NikiC needs to be deployed on an AS400, and AIX support for PHP7 is not quite there yet
 
@Ocramius WAT WAT WAT WAT WAT
 
Because for whatever reason IBM can't fix their shitty useless support for the db2 extension for IBMi
 
12:24 PM
lol
 
IKR
hey, I told the client that I can lend them my Raspberry PI
this website would be twice as fast on that
 
Can somebody please explain my why any business would be stupid enough to use such a platform?
 
enterprise
 
@NikiC I honestly don't know, and I told them for months now
but hey, they pay, they decide
 
that's why it's called "enter price"
 
12:26 PM
and I get paid too... still sad though
enter price indeed
 
> 8 bit RISC Microprocessor
is that a typo ?
 
I've been in this business for long enough to know for sure "enterprise" was just a typo
 
@NikiC contracts :)
and licenses
 
aka: throwing good money after bad
 
@Leigh it would cost them less to open a separate company and deploy on Heroku
and I mean... thousands of heroku instances (pricey)
 
12:28 PM
I must be reading the wrong thing, there is no way you are working with a server from 1988
 
If that server has bespoke software licensed to be run on that server (which used to happen), could be possible
 
say it isn't so ?
 
I've worked with old mainframes that had hardware tied software licenses
 
Yeah, but this is a pristine project
it makes my eyes bleed to have this deployed on AIX
 
"pristine"
 
12:30 PM
Well, the codebase is
the DB bindings are shit, because DB2
And tbh, DB2 is just trouble, and changes SQL/DDL syntax depending on the platform you deploy it to (Linux/Windows/AIX)
 
why is AIX a requirement?
 
They won't tell us
or maybe it's one of those "decision that was made and we don't want to bother changing it"
probably a @Gordon-scenario (enter price)
 
what's the full model number of the server ?
 
chuck it on a linux box, patch php funcs to report AIX under the hood
 
@Leigh sysop is on client side, we don't do deployments
 
12:32 PM
they must be paying you pretty well (in diamonds, at the end of each day) for you to ignore this ...
 
I am sure they do
 
@LeviMorrison oh well.
 
@JoeWatkins they do, yes
 
have you brought up the unmaintained thing ?
 
What is missing for PHP 7 to build for AIX, and how many tens of thousands are they willing to pay someone to fix it? :)
 
12:34 PM
but it's gotta be platinum anvils if they wanna stop the side-effect of ranting
@JoeWatkins yeah, it's a pending bug
@Leigh PHP 7 builds on AIX, it's the DB2 extension for IBMi/AIX that is not there yet
 
completely foobar, or just not quite there?
 
not there
but given the shitty issues we had with it so far (data truncation for simple queries), it looks like shitty/borked software anyway
probably interesting to pentest it too
 
looks dead, June 2015 were last commits
 
I recently added db2 instrumentation to our tracing extension
 
You can get AIX "cloud" machines for $300/mo :P
 
12:46 PM
Hi Everyone
i have created a procedure in mysql ( using phpadmin) , and it is giving me multiple records , how can i use this procedure to fetch multiple records in PHP ( I am using Code Ignitor) , Appreciate your help .
 
@ShobhakarTiwari Are you executing CALL procName(...)?
 
Wes
reading some c# code. statics, statics everywhere
looks like it's not just php people obsessed with that
 
@Wes In C# is static like PHP, or C?
 
Wes
:B i mean static methods, fields
 
@Leigh well , i m using yes this way , and i m getting result and when i am printing it using print_r into excel then it shows array ( ) having all records
 
Wes
12:51 PM
does c# have functions?
 
@Wes no
 
Wes
i guess that explains it
 
@Wes It's been over 10 years since I tried to write anything in C#, and I have remembered all of the bits that were important to me :)
 
Thats why in C# and Java are static methods and static properties because lack of global variables and functions
 
@Leigh as i search, few suggest to change in core file (db) to implement multi_query but i think this is not approach , kindly share your thoughts on this
 
12:56 PM
@ShobhakarTiwari Sorry I don't understand the problem. You just said you are able to print_r and it shows you having all of the records.
 
@ShobhakarTiwari the solution is not to use code ignitor (sic)
 
@Leigh well it shows records in array object , i want to iterate through each records then want to fetch individual field value as i need to show in one of Report ( which is in Excel)
 
@ShobhakarTiwari So foreach over the array?
 
@Gordon well , its already implemented so i need to mould my self to fit into this to complete required task.
 

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