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8:00 PM
I've been told that they hibernate for xmas
 
that's what microsoft does at their offices, and look at the OS's they make
 
uhh someone just modified a question from 2009, removing a tag. Denieddd
 
@Trowski class EventLoop extends Loop { ^^
 
@kelunik Heh, yeah… didn't even realize, I was just following the pattern.
 
@kelunik hah
 
8:15 PM
pbs.twimg.com/media/C1BQyfKWEAAUlgw.jpg Rainbow elephpants are great for debugging PHP; Sakhila dolphins for MySQL queries; and I really need a Tux
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It's come out of hibernation
 
@MarkBaker I'll be getting one of the rainbow ones soon I hope. :-D
@bwoebi Looks like now the tests are failing on Travis because it uses epoll which only allows signals in one loop, while Mac OS uses kqueue.
 
@JoeWatkins did you change your signing key? Trying to verify php-7.1.1RC1 using your key C3953C55 but the release is signed with 31CBD89E
 
@JoeWatkins @bwoebi Could you review github.com/async-interop/promise/pull/35/files again?
 
Anonymous
8:19 PM
@MarkBaker btw, looks like that re-design went well brainmeasures.com/courses/online/814/…
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@Wes It isn't ambiguous, the following will compile… it just needs to be explicitly allowed as a callable_expr \cc @NikiC I wouldn't be too annoyed if we could commit that… what do you say?
diff --git a/Zend/zend_language_parser.y b/Zend/zend_language_parser.y
index 92524c6..b831dd7 100644
--- a/Zend/zend_language_parser.y
+++ b/Zend/zend_language_parser.y
@@ -230,7 +230,7 @@ static YYSIZE_T zend_yytnamerr(char*, const char*);
 %type <ast> interface_declaration_statement interface_extends_list
 %type <ast> group_use_declaration inline_use_declarations inline_use_declaration
 %type <ast> mixed_group_use_declaration use_declaration unprefixed_use_declaration
-%type <ast> unprefixed_use_declarations const_decl inner_statement
 
Wes
@bwoebi please do <3
 
@Wes I'm just asking Nikita for opinion … looks pretty uncontroversial and straightforward to me… but well. I've been surprised at times where I thought that…
 
@JayIsTooCommon - They just will not be told, not while they can still fleece people's money
 
Wes
yeah i realized that the other day... there is no reason for the obligatory parens
 
8:23 PM
@Trowski - April I hope, they're currently being made at the factory
 
@Trowski how does epoll vs kqueue affect that? O_O
 
@MarkBaker I wonder if we could get one made for the Midwest PHP conference. I may have to speak to you about where you got them made and the costs involved.
 
Wes
@bwoebi in fact, also function(){}->bindTo()->__invoke() i think
 
@bwoebi If I recall, epoll doesn't handle signals, while kqueue does. So likely libevent and libev uses some shim to handle signals when using an epoll backend, but then doesn't allow signals in multiple loops.
 
@Wes Yeah, then add the | closure_expr { $$ = $1; } to dereferencable too
@NikiC actually callable_expr and dereferencable are exactly the same - shouldn't we unify these two? Or is there a particular reason to keep them separate?
 
Wes
8:29 PM
saving nested parentheses is always a great win
 
@Trowski oh, didn't realize that kqueue can
but yeah, it's true…
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon six philippines?
 
@Trowski - The OpenGoodies folks at elephpant.com
 
@bwoebi pretty sure that needs an rfc...
@bwoebi they are? they oughtn't be
e.g. a constant is dereferencable but not callable
 
Anonymous
@Wes say what now?
 
8:36 PM
@NikiC oh variable vs callable_variable
 
@JayIsTooCommon lol
 
Single colour elephpants are around $17 per head), and have a minimum order quantity of 300 (a lot lower minimum quantity and price than Enfys, who was a special custom order) though a second logo adds a couple of dollars to the per-head cost
 
Wes
do you want me to write the rfc bob, niki? it'll be super simple. or you do it?
@bwoebi btw, how would an immediately invoked short closure look like?
 
@Wes You know what happens when you say something is easy?
 
@NikiC seriously? for omitting parens?
 
8:39 PM
@MarkBaker That's pretty reasonable. I'll have to speak with the organizer.
 
Wes
@PeeHaa :B btw i should put the rfc about exception's code to votes
 
@NikiC Well, not going to play that game for such a minor change … I'll leave that to someone else then
 
@Trowski - there's contact details on the OpenGoodies page... biggest problem is likely to be the timing; Enfys has been an ongoing project since late-May last year, so it will be nearly 11 months from concept to delivery to customer
 
Wes
@bwoebi don't be proud... parens are annoying as hell :P
 
@Wes I'm not proud, I'm annoyed.
 
Wes
8:42 PM
because you think it's going to fail?
why would it. i mean, this can't fail...
 
@Wes no, I absolutely don't expect that
I expect something between 95% and 100% acceptance
But I'm annoyed this would need a RFC at all
 
Wes
meh, as long it gets in... i'll write it, ok? :B if you guys agree it's technically feasible...
 
There should be some trivial page where we can just submit a PR, write a few phrases and a vote widget for one week. If it has 90%+ acceptance, it passes, otherwise it requires a fully-fledged RFC
 
@MarkBaker Yeah, this would have to be for next year's conference.
 
Wes
i already forgot how to start a vote.
 
Anonymous
8:47 PM
@PeeHaa is there any simple queuing done already in jives that isn't commands? Looking for an example
 
@bwoebi I think we could mass rfc a couple of minor syntax changes
iirc we also have some other minor unresolved issues with the var syntax
 
@NikiC well, that's fine for me too
 
like "$var"[0] and things like that
could maybe also add new {expr}
there's a couple of small things like that that can be combined
 
@JayIsTooCommon Would this suffice docs.php.net/manual/en/class.ds-queue.php?
 
@NikiC could you please list all these "things like that"?
travis-ci.org/amphp/loop/jobs/189302440 @Trowski you latest test changes look broken (also see the comments on your commit)
 
8:49 PM
/ are you looking for something in specific?
 
@bwoebi Yeah, apparently making the timers longer fixed it locally but wasn't enough on travis.
 
travis is slow.
@Trowski but it also breaks the 7.1 build…
 
@bwoebi Breaks anything with xdebug.
 
@Trowski github.com/async-interop/event-loop/issues/… did you try the enable/disable solution?
@Trowski 7.0/7.1 uses phpdbg though?!
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa ... thought it was an amp thing... til..
 
8:52 PM
@bwoebi Good point, though phpdbg probably slows it down too.
 
@JayIsTooCommon Nope it's an external dependency
 
@Trowski not that much though
 
@Trowski Adam Culp would be a good person to talk to; he did the SunshinePHP elephpants
 
@JayIsTooCommon Amp is about nbio, not datastructures
 
8:53 PM
@bwoebi Enough on travis apparently.
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa alright, I'll do some reading. That's already included right?
 
yes it should be
 
@bwoebi After repeating the tests, I still occasionally get issues on my own machine… hmm…
 
@JayIsTooCommon we use it already in several places. For inspiration
 
Anonymous
:p ok, thank you
 
8:57 PM
@Trowski but still: github.com/async-interop/event-loop-test/commit/… … why that particular change too?
@PeeHaa github.com/Room-11/Jeeves/blob/… … false positives ftw.
 
@bwoebi What am I missing?
 
@PeeHaa there's a dS on that line. (it appears in search results)
 
oh lol
I was looking for some bug :P
 
:-P
 
@bwoebi Why does it even do $loop->onWritable(STDIN, $f(1, 3)); instead of on STDOUT or STDERR?
 
9:03 PM
@kelunik I have no clue. STDERR should just work as well.
 
@bwoebi Writability of STDIN is somehow weird.
 
well… it … works.
 
And why does it do $f(3, 1) instead of simply $f("31")?
 
Sane error message FTW \o/
> Cannot write to ‘acme-client.phar’ (Success).
Much success. wow
 
@PeeHaa Uhm, what?
 
9:12 PM
wgetting into something I don't have access to gives my that successful error message ;-)
 
@kelunik first number ought to be tick number, second number order within tick…
 
@bwoebi But that's fine with $f("31"), too? 3, 1 is just way harder to find than 31 if you're looking for which callback that should be.
 
@kelunik yeah, it will… that's just how I thought back then.
 
I figured something out, a cup of coffee plus a loud Metal music will increase your coding performance too much :-)
 
@bwoebi No, just ignored, as I don't care.
 
9:21 PM
@kelunik well, then just change it please
 
@bwoebi I don't care, you can change it.
 
done
 
@Shafizadeh isn't caffeine considered haram ... or nobody really applies that to developers :D
 
:-)
 
!!urban programmer
 
9:32 PM
[ Programmer ] pro·gram·mer (n) An organism capable of converting caffeine into code.
 
How can I prevent this message when restarting a service?
> Multiple identities can be used for authentication:
> list of users
 
Wes
wiki.php.net/rfc/throwable-code-generalization can you take a look at the slight changes i made to the rfc before i start the vote? thx
 
@PeeHaa remove ubuntu?
 
:P
 
@Wes s/mixed// (sry, I hate mixed)
 
9:34 PM
why that message bothers you? @PeeHaa
 
Because it won't let me start the service...
 
Wes
@bwoebi ?
 
@Wes Removing mixed form the decls^^
 
Wes
me too... just to be clear that we are switching from int to anything :P
is engrish okayish?
 
@PeeHaa what do you have in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d for that particular service ?
 
9:36 PM
@Wes What's up with the smart quotes?
 
Wes
@PeeHaa which?
 
$message = “”
 
Wes
i didn't do that. the wiki does it. i don't care :B
 
@tereško Nothing
I might ping @Ekin to fix it later :)
 
@Wes yeah, I got that, but hehe
 
9:38 PM
@tereško oh God, do you remember all directories/folders/files for a linux OS ?
 
@PeeHaa sorry, you probably will have to go to #ubuntu with that ... or really try a different OS
 
Wes
/me clicks start vote [drama squirrel.gif]
 
@Shafizadeh no, but I am really good at copying text from random google results
 
Anonymous
@Shafizadeh he's not hooman
 
whose error codes are instead strings -> whose error codes are strings instead
 
9:39 PM
@tereško I see :-)
@JayIsTooCommon :P
 
Wes
@PeeHaa dangs
 
@tereško Yeah. Not my box. Will find hear from ekn how it works probably
 
@Shafizadeh I google the message, tried some keywords and the common thread was "something fucky in PolKit config"
 
then great googling skills you have :-)
 
@JayIsTooCommon I was not expecting that autoplay audio
 
9:43 PM
I only have 4G at the moment and hotspot sucks as well :(
cc @PeeHaa
 
Wes
@Andrea six philippines! (what the actual...)
 
@Wes ooh
 
@Ekin boooo :(
:p
 
Anonymous
@Wes OHhhh i get it now. I didn't have sound on..
 
@Wes PHP is the Philippine Peso currency code. (also, I didn't get that, so I guess it's generating the voice locally or something…)
 
Anonymous
9:44 PM
@Andrea you gonna sign up?
 
Maybe you can answer how I can restart gitamp over 4g either way @Ekin?
 
Wes
:P
 
systemctl restart gitamp?
 
@JayIsTooCommon if I had limitless income and nothing better to spend it on, maybe
 
Wes
wish me good luck. i'm starting the vote! this is scary
 
9:45 PM
@Ekin Yes that was what i was hoping :P
 
@PeeHaa Eih, did it move to your server now?
 
Anonymous
@Andrea :P
 
wait wat
it workd now @Ekin???
Honest to good. It failed 5 minutes ago
 
Magic, I tell you
 
Anonymous
i'll take credit, if it's going
 
9:46 PM
@bwoebi nope
 
But journalctl might say more
 
Wes
ok so, i added the doodle thingy and changed wiki.php.net/rfc. do i need to announce the voting on internals?
 
Nope. Oh well. I'll just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen :P
 
Anonymous
!!rfcs
 
C'mon buddy!
 
Anonymous
9:48 PM
you can do it boy!
 
plow through them rfcs!
 
\o/
 
Anonymous
attaboy
 
That crawling code sure must be doing so awkward stuff :P
 
Wes
9:53 PM
now compulsively presses F5 to check votes
 
@Wes yeah
and because the ML is effectively down your vote will pretty certainly be declared as invalid
 
Wes
did it
:(
 
so better wait until it works again or do another announcement later
 
who needs to be contacted for the ML to be fixed
 
Wes
so the message i wrote is not going to appear?
 
9:57 PM
@Andrea Probably someone with an unreachable @php.net address :P
 
@NikiC hahahaha
 
Wes
lol
 
@Wes Your message didn't make it through yet. And even if it does many people won't receive it
I'm getting some ML messages, but not all of them. I'm not sure what the criteria are ^^
 
Wes
better if it wasn't sent then
 
@Andrea Not a joke, I tried mailing systems@ on the first day where this happened and my mail bounced...
 
9:59 PM
maybe it'll never get fixed and we'll end up de facto moving to github
 
@Wes Do you have a link to the patch of the doc changes?
 
Wes
nope @pmmaga should i do something?
 
@Wes probably edit php.net/manual/en/class.throwable.php and link the patch on the RFC
 
Wes
okay. where do i host the patch? anywhere is fine? like, gist
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently
okay. good
 
@Wes the patch on edit.php.net gives you a permalink (eg edit.php.net/?patch=en/language/types/…)
 
10:06 PM
heh, found a somewhat cheesy band, but I kinda like it: youtube.com/watch?v=QIedr_9_9hA
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa So I think the Build method in the builder will be the best/only place to log jives messages, would you agree?
 
@JoeWatkins I am in contact with appveyor regarding concurrent build sponsoring.. could I offer them a backlink on php.net/thanks.php as compensation?
 
@NikiC Oh, it's down again … what's up with that thing…
 
@bwoebi what do you mean by "again"?
It's been down for various values of "down" for the last two/three weeks?
 
@NikiC I got the few mails in the 40 hours before tonight 3 a.m.
But these of today I didn't get either
 
Wes
10:14 PM
"where do i find the photos for the products"
"on our supplier's site - they are all hi res photos"
*me opens site*
http://i.imgur.com/Bpta1KN.jpg
-__-
 
Anonymous
@Wes where's that? That guy was suspended for cross posting the other day
 
Wes
?
 
Anonymous
was that from SO ?
 
Wes
wrong ping? :B
 
Anonymous
oh nvm
 
Wes
10:16 PM
no :B it's me
they basically took a 500px image or something and upscaled to 20mpx just because that's how we roll
 
Anonymous
:P
 
Wes
actually photos are hq, except those we need, obviously
 
btw I turned on google analytics for phpimagick.com
 
10:34 PM
@bwoebi Now the only remaining issue is with signals and libevent and libev: travis-ci.org/amphp/loop/jobs/189302441
 
Anonymous
 
@Trowski take this as inspiration: github.com/koolkode/async/commit/…
 
Development By Denial (DBD) – Everybody pretends there is a method for what’s being done, and that things are going ok, when in reality, things are a mess and the process is on the floor. The worse things get, the more people depend on their denial of what’s really happening, or their isolation in their own small part of the project, to survive.
 
my previous job in a nutshell
 
10:45 PM
@bwoebi That has it's own issues, but would work in most cases.
 
@Trowski What exactly is problematic there?
 
user6438501
@Shiva i am here now. looking into this
 
@bwoebi Only if you mixed loop implementations – either used a different extension or a different vendor.
Which is really unlikely.
 
@Trowski well, there you AFAIK anyway have inherent issues if you mix ev and event
the two overwrite each others signal handler AFAIK
but multiple impls of the same underlying loop will be compatible that way round
 
Yeah, it's a good work-around.
 
10:55 PM
 
11:08 PM
@bwoebi Wow, there's a lot of functionality baked into that one lib.
 
11:45 PM
@bwoebi Woot! Finally fixed: travis-ci.org/amphp/loop/builds/189361507
 

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