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11:01 PM
@Sherif How old are you? 39? :-)
 
@bwoebi 32 actually
 
Ah, the good 10000 age.
 
10000 age? Never heard that before. What's that mean?
 
base 2 :x
Anyway, … @Sherif Any further feedback on phpdbg?
 
@bwoebi heh
Totally didn't catch that.
 
11:09 PM
Todays programmers aren't really the quality they once were… (hah)
 
@bwoebi Nope. I will let you know though. I like to take my time to think about things before I'm prepared to share them.
 
@Sherif Sometimes unfiltered thoughts are more helpful than condensed findings...
 
Well, I've shared my unfiltered thoughts so far.
Don't really have anything new to add.
 
fine
 
Sorry :/
 
11:16 PM
@Sherif no problem, we still haven't figured out world hunger in praxis.
 
@bwoebi I thought we decided to blame world hunger on greed?
 
@Sherif yes… but we haven't figured yet how to solve it in a world with many greedy people.
 
I thought that was the thesis of Communism?
 
@Sherif Doesn't work that well in a corrupt and greed dominated world.
 
@bwoebi Neither did Capitalism.
 
11:22 PM
@Sherif So… socioneoliberalism?
 
Who knows. Some people are just greedy. Whatchya gonna do? :/
 
@bwoebi "The best thing for the Group comes when everyone in the group does what's best for himself AND the group." — John F. Nash
 
@Sherif The problematic situations are when the best for himself and the best for the group are conflicting.
 
@bwoebi Yes, this is called the bargaining problem eecs.harvard.edu/cs286r/courses/spring02/papers/nash50a.pdf
Once you level the playing field, an N-person game, becomes unwinnable without cooperation.
I believe in Game Theory they call that the Prisoner's Dilemma?
 
11:30 PM
@Sherif yes.
 
So you only have two choices. Cooperate with each other and you both win. Or compete with each other and you both lose.
Some people... just want to see the world burn though :/
 
if you're banking on people acting rationally in their own (let alone the group's) best interest - good luck to ya
 
Competition is band-aid for greed.
anyway… mv bob /bed
 
@PaulCrovella And yet we have managed to build the Internet. The world's largest cooperative structure of bargaining.
I believe the vast majority of people are more than capable of bargaining to achieve some equilibrium given the right circumstances. I don't believe there will never be evil lurking about.
But, as long as we're wired to think that evil trumps good... it will obviously be very difficult to gain any traction in that arena :|
 
11:46 PM
Good and evil have nothing to do with it, they're nonsense inventions. Sure people are capable of doing all kinds of things, particularly when given ideal circumstances, but it's too easy to throw any equilibrium off balance. It's not a stable state.
 
Sure, but circumstances are rarely ever ideal. It wasn't ideal that World War II happened, but the world did come together to strike a better balance. I see it a little bit differently. Most of the time we have equilibrium, and every now and again someone comes along and throws that out of wack.
I guess sometimes it takes a tremor to remind us of the importance of working together in order to achieve what's best for ourselves AND the group.
 
if WWII was just a tremor that explains why it's so easy to ignore the rest of the shit going really really poorly right now in various parts of the world
 

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