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2:00 PM
> argumentum ad verecundiam
 
when someone asks me for help, and resizes the screenshot with the error to 150x100.... i.imgur.com/zFLhIt7.gif
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> What I see in this website really dangerous. If a junior dev will read and follow what is expressed there, essentially is a clear invite to re-invent the wheel.
Understanding if re-inventing the wheel or not comes with experience. For a junior, I will always suggest the approach "use a framework/tool/library, and when you will be good enough you can start thinking about writing your own".
 
This new DBZ arc isn't so bad
 
See, imho, that's dangerous
Give a junior a framework, they have no clue what they're doing or why they're using it
 
TBH @Jimbo my advice is for juniors to do both. It's not and probably shouldn't be black or white.
Sometimes you have to learn the wrong way in order to get to the right.
 
2:03 PM
@Fabor Fair, but if it's one or the other, it's certainly not, imo, framework-first
 
@Jimbo you're an ugly cuss :P
 
@Jimbo Correct, between the two options if forced it's vanilla for me too.
I always say if they're newbs "If you're doing it to learn, roll your own, if it's for money, use a framework".
 
@rabbitguy Ooh, I've never been called a cuss before
 
I am glad I am the only developer in this company. I don't have to work on teams. My code is just that: my code... frameworks are avoided unless they truly fit most of what I need...
 
I don't like being the only developer
 
2:06 PM
I was just giving my opinion ;)

That whole thread looks pointless tbh, though I appreciate the "WTF radio" cartoon
 
@rabbitguy It's double-edged. Nice to be a sole developer (I have always been that way) but now I don't know much about collaborating.
 
I'd rather at least work with a couple other developers. Code review, collaboration, having an extra set of eyes...
 
@Tiffany Shared accountability :P
 
@rabbitguy it's ancient: osnews.com/story/19266/WTFs_m
 
exactly!
 
2:07 PM
Yeha, that's the only downfall of being the sole developer. It's easy for upper management to throw blame on me even when quite often it was not directly my fault
but the bottleneck makes me an easy target when sh*t happens
 
my morning had a bucket of shit dumped on it so I'm in a grumbly mood
better to get it over with early, right?
 
example: I had to scrub data of over 600,000 records and when I was done it was found that there were duplicate records. There should not have been when given to me, I was told there wasn't and it wasn't even possible for dups, but the ppl who gave me the data created dups by mistake... when I turned in the data afterwards, I never bothered to check for dups and it caused their project to be delayed by a week
@Tiffany it's Friday. Look forward to some time when you don't have to think about this place
maybe that will help
 
Ekn
!!should I pay double rent for summer or just go for camping/vacation?
 
true
 
You should just go for camping/vacation.
 
Ekn
2:11 PM
@Jeeves <3
 
there's supposed to be a pizza party later, hopefully I'm still invited
 
@Ekn I love you too :-)
 
hahaha @Ekn
 
Ekn
heh
 
Hit up some live outdoor concert music this weekend if you can
there's a bluegrass fest going on just south of here tonight that I'll be driving past
I am seriously thinking of forking over the $50 and going to it
 
2:12 PM
this thing is just confusing: archive.is/RJNRI
 
Ricky Scaggs will be there. Not sure if any of you are bluegrass fans
 
I went to Chicago Comic Con last weekend
it was amazing
 
A week to delete duplicate records? And not that many -_-
 
when I went back to scrub out the dups, it was determined that about 2500 records were then missing
 
@Ekn I hear Asia is nice this time of year. Bring @tereško with you.
 
2:13 PM
the data was faulty when they gave it too me
but I had no real way to know
 
@Fabor it's not like she's almost exactly on the other side of planet
 
It's the vacate part of vacation.
 
Ekn
exactly my thoughts, but who knows what will hapen
 
@Tiffany you in Illinois?
 
I wanna party it up with @tereško -_-
 
2:15 PM
@rabbitguy yup
 
I'm way too boring
 
the state of broke
 
haha
 
@tereško I would argue against that
 
I've only been in Chitown a few times in my life, but I love that city
 
2:16 PM
and unable to fucking cooperate to PASS A FUCKING STATE BUDGET IN THE SAME FISCAL YEAR
I'm not bitter :/
 
I thought you said your state didn't have medical? They passed that two years ago, didn't they?
 
busted
 
my state?
 
haha, US is screwed. oh, wait, it was always like that
 
Illinois
 
2:17 PM
my state is "confused"
 
I must be confused... nvm
 
@tereško Don't worry, I am not boring. Between the two of us we can make an averagely fun trip.
 
fake internet girl, we all suspected it
 
hey, we're in the same state right now
 
bye bye all
 
2:18 PM
I hereby state that my state does not belong to the state!!
 
since Rauner came into office, he's been in a deadlock with the house of reps over approving a budget for the state. It's been over a fiscal year since this mess started.
 
does anybody know what "resource root" is in phpstorm project config?
 
wait
tiffany is a name
 
@Tiffany in Latvia, if the minister cabinet (executive branch) cant approve a budget before the beginning of fiscal year, the next vote is for appointing a new minister cabinet
 
@littlepootis yes it is
 
2:19 PM
@toastyghost just set some bullcrap there and check what is broken
 
the only references i can find to it are the help file which just says it is an object type and you can do CRUD operations on it, and an archive of this chat from 2 years ago where someone asked the same question and didn't ever appear to get a response
i don't even know what i'd be looking for since i don't know what it's supposed to do...
 
@tereško there is quite a bit of dissatisfaction with what's going on. The issue is bipartisan though, blame is on both the governor and legislation
 
I'll get one of you Room 11'ers out to Asia at somepoint. I get the feeling it'll be @Jimbo
 
@tereško and it's putting a lot of strain on state-funded services ... that's who ultimately suffers, public schools, public services, and the like
 
@Jimbo is still on here? he's the one who asked the question
 
2:21 PM
@Fabor that's some nice excuse right there aye
 
@kelunik tuesday
 
@toastyghost I think I vaguely remember asking that, got a link to it?
Ah, @Ekn found it
 
@toastyghost wait, I'm a fake internet girl now?
 
@Fabor Hell yeah!
 
2:22 PM
those exist?
 
@Tiffany Sure, @DaveRandom's one
 
oooh
 
It's well known GIRL is an acronym for Guy In Real Life.
 
lol...
 
Also don't look at any images @DaveRandom sends you of himself.
 
Ekn
2:23 PM
:p
 
digital.celebphotoops.com/… here, I'm on the left
 
I may be a girl in a few weeks. Who knows what can happen!
 
I MET MULDER MOTHAFUCKAAAAAS
 
Mulder has got old
 
David Duchoveneneney?
 
2:24 PM
yup
 
Nice! Love that guy.
 
thanks for the link! that helps a lot but i'm still not sure. the app i work on has a symlinked static asset directory but it's accessed as /common in url's
but that clears up quite a bit
 
@Fabor he signed a Mulder toy and his Bucky F*cking Dent book. :) I was so excited.
I thought he'd only sign one
 
@Tiffany Are you talking about that actor?
 
@Shafizadeh yes
 
2:27 PM
who's Mulder?
 
X-Files actor
 
Where did you see him?
 
character from X-Files
 
neneney?
 
2:27 PM
@Shafizadeh Chicago Comic Con
David Duchovny is the actor
 
Anonymous
@Fabor You could win over Daniel then..
 
@Fabor What's the meaning of "X-Files" ?
@Tiffany ah .. good for you :-)
 
@Shafizadeh thanks :)
 
@Shafizadeh It's a TV show. He was famous for starring in it.
 
2:28 PM
I can google that, but it requires efforts.. what's X-Files? Some math show?
 
Ohh .. I see
 
The truth is out there...
 
when you have bandwidth to waste, try watching few first series
 
it's a sci-fi TV show about government conspiracies and aliens
 
@JayIsTooCommon They always say don't meet your heroes. So it's a risk.
 
2:29 PM
@tereško tnx for the link you provided :-)
 
Anonymous
@Fabor You met me? And I met all your expectations...
 
X-Files is so 90s, holy crap
 
@AlmaDo Seems you are more lazy than me :-)
 
x-files was awesome in its original season
 
indeed
 
2:30 PM
@toastyghost I think it means that the files are part of the project, but they don't need to be scanned for indexing.
 
@JayIsTooCommon heh
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Your opinion is always welcome
In fact it brings something to the table - the opinion of someone he claims to speak for
 
i thought x-files was just another x factor.
 
@tereško I always have that
 
I have a question. So, LDAP extension was not enabled when PHP was installed on a server. php.net/manual/en/ldap.installation.php says a flag has to be configured when PHP is compiled. Am I SOL, or is there a way I can enable the LDAP extension?
 
2:32 PM
@AlmaDo it was meant for @Shafizadeh .. internet in Iran is pretty much shit
 
yay, I thoughts "x" statds for unknown from the equation
 
@tereško true ..
 
@AlmaDo lol
 
@tereško there's internet there? Oo...
 
                                        throw $e;
                                    });
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                            }
                        }
                    }
                }

                $this->resolve($result);
                $this->subscribers = [];
            }
        });
    });
}
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2:33 PM
X was just a classification for FBI cases that were deemed "unexplained"
 
indents <3
 
[that's Aerys code btw....]
 
@Jimbo yeah, this is really what gets on my nerves the most
 
Yo' Dawg
 
2:33 PM
@bwoebi looks like shit to me
 
@little
@littlepootis blasphemy
 
@AlmaDo as a European, you are either really young or amish
 
@AlmaDo we happy few
 
europian? european?
 
ok, I'm a jerk :(
 
2:34 PM
@AlmaDo two levels of callbacks, two nested ifs, 3 nested foreach loops and one try/catch block inside a method
 
how do I enable the LDAP extension for PHP?
 
@bwoebi now tell me, how many tests cases do I need for that method :D
 
halp plx
 
@AlmaDo 6.
@AlmaDo at least if you want branch coverage. For simple code coverage, 2 tests are enough.
 
@bwoebi how so? ... two nested ifs .. it's 2 x 2 already (assuming we don't have elseif) and the try-catch ... it's x 2 .. and then callbacks ..
 
2:37 PM
@bwoebi And there'd be 3 less levels if you had just let me continue an observable :-P
 
Ekn
by the way, @PaulCrovella, I literally read pcre thing twice before I finally felt super sleepy... and I learned stuff, so thanks.. I guess :p
 
@Tiffany `sudo apt-get install php5-ldap ?
 
@Trowski which I regretted as soon as you added try/catch <.<
 
Guys one thing. should I be concern about users who have disabled JS on their browsers? Currently all my codes are written twice .. once for users who have enabled js on their browsers (ajax), and once for who haven't (http). So am I doing it right?
 
@toastyghost I'm on a WIMP-y environment :(
 
2:38 PM
@bwoebi Hah. I can put it back quick... I don't think the performance difference would be much.
 
win10 has ubuntu bash now :)
 
@AlmaDo you can only multiply if the branches are interdependent
 
@Shafizadeh yes!!! I disable js every time :p
 
does Server 2012 have bash?
 
@AlmaDo well you sucks ..
 
2:39 PM
:(
I know
 
oh sorry i thought that was a reference to windows somehow
 
@Tiffany i guess not
 
it is... but I'm on Windows Server 2012
 
@bwoebi well I didn't know they're nested to each other
 
is it something I can just change in the php.ini file?
fingers crossed
 
2:40 PM
recompile peechpee
 
Anonymous
Sep 23 '13 at 16:12, by DaveRandom
@JonyKale If the user disables JS it breaks stuff and you and the user just have to deal with it. JS is required to make almost all modern websites work properly. Besides which, reliable "who's online" monitoring is impossible anyway. Either you rely on JS, or you derive metrics from the access logs, or both, but whatever you do you're just going to have to get used to the fact that none of it is foolproof and all of it is trivial to circumvent.
 
@AlmaDo they are, but the one is not influencing the flow of the function.
 
IIS i'm assuming?
and yeah, it probably is
 
Anonymous
Sep 23 '13 at 16:15, by DaveRandom
One way to guarantee that the user won't disable JS is to ensure that your site is unusable without it. A lot of people will recoil in horror at the idea, I personally don't have a problem with it, maybe you'll lose some users but I don't want those users anyway, I'm not going to take 10x as long to develop something just because some idiot thinks turning JS off makes his browsing experience somehow better/more secure, frankly that guy can piss off.
 
Windows Server has something called Web Platformer Installer that installs PHP
@toastyghost yes
 
2:41 PM
search for ldap in the ini and see if there is a commented-out extension line
 
I'll blame it on the server admin, he's used to it
 
@bwoebi well, I didn't see the code, but when I see more than 2 nested operators - I have an urge to refactor ..
 
> I'm not going to take 10x as long to develop something just because some idiot thinks turning JS off makes his browsing experience somehow better/more secure, frankly that guy can piss off
 
I had to throw out using IIS on a server of mine bcz it wasn't supporting the right version of PHP if I remember right
 
UGH UGH UGH UGH UGH UGH UGH
 
2:42 PM
I run WAMP on it, tbh, ha@!
 
@AlmaDo it depends.
 
@JayIsTooCommon ah ok
 
ok, it's not included in the web platform installer for some reason
 
@rabbitguy which version of IIS? it's gotten better...
 
2:43 PM
how can I set additional parameters in existing Symfony Request instance?
 
so you have to download the zip of that php version and extract the dll manually
 
I forget... doesn't matter at this point
 
@bwoebi with the difference 10% vs 90% (that 10% is when it's justified)
 
it's all setup and running beautifully with WAMP
 
@Tiffany did you install from a package you got from windows.php.net/download ?
 
2:44 PM
@Leigh I used Web Platform Installer to install PHP on the server.
 
Yea no idea what that is
 
@AlmaDo In general yes… but that fraction depends a lot on who's written that code
 
If you installed from an official package, you could just go and enable the ext in your config ini
because it's bundled
 
@bwoebi I meant code in general
 
@Leigh it's install-able on Windows Servers, it's a package manager
 
2:44 PM
Maybe your wacky installer bundled it too and it's just disabled, check that
 
a package manager from Microsoft I mean
 
I'm still classifying it as "wacky installer"
 
rofl
 
but seriously, it might have been bundled, worth a check if it's there and just disabled
 
Ekn
@tereško $request->attributes->set('key', value'); ? and there's get() etc see
meh, typo
 
2:46 PM
who knows, maybe you could even download an official package and steal the dll from that, then enable it
 
@Leigh where do I check to see if it's enabled/disabled? php.ini?
 
reading
 
@Tiffany Commented out lines like extension=something.dll
 
I guess I can just run a diff between the production php.ini and new-web-server php.ini
 
Ekn
/me is off to have a loooong boring skype call
 
2:48 PM
[PHP_LDAP]
extension=php_ldap.dll
this is in the production php.ini file
that's what I need then
 
looks about right
well, you need that, and to make sure that extension_dir is pointing to the correct location, and that php_ldap.dll is in that location
but you never know, might already all be set up
 
@Ekn success! \o/
 
i'm assuming it's not since she's asking about it in here. stupid question, but you did try to use it in your code and it didn't work, right? xD
 
yeah, I just added the extension, fingers crossed it's already set up, but if not, yeah, a little extra configuring
 
Also, who still uses windows servers :/
have I just been spoilt for the last decade?
 
2:51 PM
we're a MS shop :/
cause contracts
 
your contract says you have to use windows?
 
not my contract, we have a support contract with MS
 
blech
 
plus I'm already familiar with Windows/IIS so building a new web server on LAMP would require learning a new environment and ain't nobody got time for that
 
you should do it anyway
though I would recommend learning how to setup a system around Nginx
@Ekn tnx, worked
 
3:03 PM
@tereško I will at some point. I'll have to learn it on my own time.
for the sake of knowing anyway
 
For your own sanity too
 
/me learns in binges
 
That's how I drink too.
 
when I need to learn something, I tend to keep hammering at it for days, till I know enough
 
that's how I do hard drugs
 
3:04 PM
Brute force learning.
Time spent trying to understand something is the hardest. 4 hours of shrug to one Aha!
 
appy frydai
 
@Fabor yeah, but that Eureka moment is totally worth is...
 
this is on one of my bulletin boards in my office: i.imgur.com/qsLx1Ip.jpg
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nope, I dont get that moment while learning
the "Eureka" is what I get few weeks after I have learned shit
 
3:09 PM
then again, I still describe my understanding of JS as "basic"
 
@Tiffany stolen and printing out as we speak, haha
 
Ahhh, 50 minutes to go and el bosss has gone home
 
@Fabor So, you're drinking beer while watching funny movies? ;-)
 
@rabbitguy :P
 
I'm so American. It's not that I don't like "good beers"... I had a good local IPA last weekend, but normally when I drink beer it's a hot summer day, so I prefer some lite American beer...
Miller Lite, tbh
but if it's the Winter time, I'm all about bourbon
 
Ekn
3:18 PM
miller is like water imo :p
 
agreed
 
user image
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I'm drinking it to quench a thrist
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa lol :P
 
I rarely drink to get a buzz... In fact, the last time I was drunk was well over a year ago, and yet I have a drink pretty much everyday
 
3:21 PM
@PeeHaa too spooky
 
@Danack I saw your recent revisions on object-types do you think it's ready to put into Rfc and anounce it on internals?
 
I'm bad with beers apparently
 
@Jimbo dude, these guys on github are easily jumping to the roof...
 
Ekn
it's a bit annoying that I get drunk faster with beer than bourbon
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier What is he on about?
 
3:23 PM
Well fortunately for me at 6ft5 getting drunk is a slower but i guess more expensive process.
 
@Ekn I always see that as a pro = cheap
 
@Jimbo tbh not quite sure...
@Ekn maybe you should start questionning your drinking habits. have bourbon much? :D
 
@Fabor How does it feel to always have someone around who looks up to you?
 
Ekn
@Jimbo well, true but I prefer bourbon when I'd like to be a little tipsy and it doesn't work until I drink almost half of a bottle
 
@littlepootis As his mum, regular basis for her clients
 
3:26 PM
@littlepootis heh. I dislike feeling superior to anyone. :P Well except @Jimbo
 
haha
 
missed opportunity
 
Ekn
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I should :P
 
@littlepootis don't look up to @fabor. He rarely clips his nose hairs
 
Anonymous
3:27 PM
@Jimbo The most shocking bit was when he said he was English :P
 
@rabbitguy are you 6ft3?
 
@JayIsTooCommon ikr
 
no?
are you just throwing numbers out there?
 
Midgets everywhere all of you Muahaha
 
so... is 11:27 am an ok time on a friday to start drinking? I'll put some ice in to mitigate...
 
3:28 PM
@rabbitguy no
I did the math
 
I'm 6'3" from the waist down...
;)
 
If anyone saw all the flags for the C++ room and decided to go in and tell them they're all in the programming sewers, don't bother you don't get any response
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@Jimbo LOL
 
AFAIK, only flags here are spam and me being rude to spammers
 
@all should star jimbo's msg in the cpp room
 
3:31 PM
in Lounge<C++>, 6 mins ago, by Jimbo
Gotta come in here and see what's happening in the programming sewers
You actually did it.. :')
Figure you might've been joking...
 
@jimbo may be a joke, but he is never joking
XD
 
Gotta laugh at yourself, life's short and as soon as you do - nobody can hurt you ;)
 
in Lounge<C++>, 16 secs ago, by Griwes
the latest starred message is definitely flag-worthy
 
singing you'll see it's all a show. Keep 'em laughing as you go. Just remember that the last laugh is on you, aaaaaand Always look on the bright side of life...
 
in Lounge<C++>, 3 hours ago, by Ven
PHP is becoming really nice.
^ That's interesting though :)
Seems like news has found it's way to the sewer.
 
3:34 PM
@Oldskool Not sure if being nice, or not.
 
@salathe It's probably sarcastic, but I'll just go ahead and ignore that sarcasm and see it as a compliment to the php devs :)
They deserve it.
 
I haven't touched c++ since college
 
@Oldskool yeah, I was somewhat surprised too
 
Nah they don't. Bunch of slackers!
 
haha
 
3:39 PM
if "the last starred messaged is... ...flag-worthy" then I probably shouldn't hang out there. I have a feeling I could get banned from chat offending ppl with my comments there, lol
 
oh don't worry, they have a really high level of trollness in there, as well as a thick skin (usually)
 
Meh, people flag random things. Once someone flagged my sexy hitler image. I'm still salty about that.
 
I guess it comes with thinking about memory adresses all teh times
hmmm... salty
 
bitter... salty... angry/upset
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier do you know of a resource that describes how to do error handling for the controllers when attempting to load data fails?
I managed to get "many" redirects between / and /home.
 
3:48 PM
@PeeHaa Oh, no! Someone established a VPN into our network!
 

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