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12:00 PM
it starts with loans, but if that doesn't work and it invariably doesn't because of such strong competition, you do need state aid, and those rules are in the way, for multiple industries
 
@JayIsTooCommon further reading: that same pattern is also how you implement a job queue: pastebin.com/LMaEbfQJ
 
private investment, even philanthropic investment can only go so far, the problems for these industries cannot be solved by small amount of money or regulation ... I'm not saying any of this is a reason for why I voted the way I did, but they are facts, they've affected the industry I can see on my doorstep, and I didn't read it in a tabloid, I made it my business to find out ...
 
@kelunik have you tried using IPPROTO_RAW?
 
related, please can we have private $jobs = new Queue; now kthxbye
 
@DaveRandom jobs runner
 
12:04 PM
You'd have to construct the icmpv6 header yourself
 
^ that
 
Should delete information buttons be POST forms, or GET link with a token is acceptable?
 
I would listen to @Leigh, he seems to know what he's on about @kelunik
 
@Darius DELETE
 
also @kelunik creating a standalone ICMP protocol impl (something like libdns for icmp) has been on my list of things to do for ages now, happy to collab
 
Anonymous
12:05 PM
@DaveRandom ahhh, I never thought of that. I guess I just presumed they were running all the time.
 
Also SNMP
 
form type="DELETE" action="" ?
 
And a generalised ASN.1 lib, a BER/DER lib built on top of it, and an LDAP lib built on top of those
 
@JoeWatkins agreed, you need to have the capital in the first place. However, that's not the fault of the EU but of your government who put the tax on that in the first place.
 
12:06 PM
@DaveRandom Ah great! Another thing that starts with Simple!
 
So yeh, if you could have that done by next week that'd be great
 
ASN.bluurrrgghhh
like that vine guy who spits out lemons
 
@PeeHaa yeh, another RFC you should definitely not open
 
except I puke
 
@Leigh unfortunately it ain't going away. SSL is sort of built on it :-/
 
12:07 PM
@DaveRandom That's that thing with those crazy ids right?
 
@PeeHaa that does not even begin to cover it
 
@DaveRandom If we start using something sane, everyone else will follow us!
 
> SNMP implementations vary across platform vendors. In some cases, SNMP is an added feature, and is not taken seriously enough to be an element of the core design
Yep sounds like fun
 
@Leigh ASN.1 has been described to me as "binary XML" before. XML would be a huge improvement. And that is really saying something.
 
@Gordon definitely, but from the perspective of the fisherman, or steel industry worker, or automotive engineer who managed to find work in this country 20 years into the past, with comparable levels of fuel duty ... what changed for them is not even the presence of competition because it was always there, but rather the way competition is managed ... not fuel duty ... to them it feels like regulation, and it's not an incorrect position to take ...
 
12:08 PM
I thought DELETE is a Ajax post type and not a HTML.
Dang the room is lively today
 
@Darius YOu never said anything about html :)
 
That I didn't lol.
A non ajax delete button, should be a post form then right?
 
@PeeHaa Yeh it's not really as useful as it could be, but it is nevertheless useful in large LAN management scenarios
 
But yeah if you are limited to get and post certainly do post
 
kk
 
12:10 PM
@DaveRandom The thing I vaguely remember working with was some binary database for stats which was crazy fast
 
@Darius in practice, methods other than GET and POST are only for computers talking to other computers. When a human is involved (i.e. a browser) you are limited to those two. The rule there is very simple: if the request modifies the server's state in any way other than logging, use POST.
And if you use POST to submit a form without ajax always, 100% of the time, use the post/redirect/get pattern.
 
I'm a bit scared of ipv6, I see one of these documents every once in a while and start trying to read it ...
I doubt any of it is going in ...
 
Don't be scared, all of the hard bits are for hardware vendors to care about :p
And kernel developers
 
that in itself is a cause for concern ...
in principle ipv4 is easy to understand, I'm not sure I understand the principles of 6, I know what it's trying to do ... but I don't get it in the same way ...
if I could just get through one of these kill-yourself-boring rfc's ... just one ...
 
It's the same for ipv4, when was the last time you had to deal with BGP or GRE or even IGMP
 
12:17 PM
that's true actually
 
Obviously they are protocols on top of IPv4, but they're what make networks work
 
so the key thing is just to ignore that exists until it's so ubiquitous that I don't have to deal with it directly ... I can do that ...
 
As long as you can create TCP/UDP connections, send and receive data, you've got 99% of all you'll ever need to do
You can create an IPv6 tcp client/server today, just by doing exactly the same things you do for IPv4, and using a v6 address, that's all you as a user of it need to do, use a different address (and be connected to a network that can route v6)
 
user6619012
please help me for below link
 
user6619012
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Q: login not working after changing MD5 to Password_default

user5348fh8y5For both registration & login , i am saving password in password column [Password_default ] with help of below code, Registartion is working fine, but login is not working. Before code : if($user_login->is_logged_in()!="") { $user_login->redirect('profile.php'); } if(isset($_POST['btn-log...

 
Anonymous
12:21 PM
@user5348fh8y5 looks like you have an answer
 
user6619012
i tried @JayIsTooCommon , but it didt worked for me....
 
@Leigh DNS is a shit mess though :-/ But again, that's a thing that most of the time devs ignore because the OS does it, I guess
 
Anonymous
@user5348fh8y5 line 37. You are hashing upass, not the password. But my advice, similar to the advice that you have already been given. You need to learn the basics of PHP before you jump to handling passwords and confidential data. That, or hire a developer.
 
user6619012
@JayIsTooCommon upass was present in old code, now i am using new code, please check "Edit" part in question
 
> Notice: Undefined index: userStatus
that error is pretty clear on what the problem is...
 
Anonymous
12:28 PM
@user5348fh8y5 Yes, you're trying to access non existent array values. Building an array is something that is covered in the basics of PHP. This is something you should cover before you start handling this sort of data.
 
user6619012
@DaveRandom i tried as in this link, but it didt worked for me : stackoverflow.com/questions/4261133/…
 
Anonymous
 
user6619012
@JayIsTooCommon okay, i recently started learning , please help me for that question......
 
Anonymous
@user5348fh8y5 That's fine, but you're not going to learn if you ask others to do it for you. Take a look at the link I just sent you. If you read and understand it correctly, you will see where you have gone wrong.
 
@DaveRandom Exactly, my point is, don't be put off "catering for IPv6" in your apps, because the work you have to do is likely minimal
 
12:33 PM
As an additional tip, you should hash the password and then query with the hash as opposed to getting the user row and then comparing the passwords. This second way makes you vulnerable to timing attacks
 
@pmmaga Going to disagree with you there.
You can't use per hash salts (like password_hash does) if you send the hash with the query
 
@Leigh Unfortunately though, a lot of the people in here are architecture engineers :-P
 
@Leigh Nope.
 
Raw all the things, you should be able to do whatever you want. May require running as root, been a while.
 
Me today "Time to have 20 days of healthy eating after all the bad stuff I have been snacking on". 3 hours later "Banana milkshake and hazelnut kit-kat please".
 
12:36 PM
How many dongs did that cost?
 
@Leigh iirc I had problems getting the TTL when I did this once upon a time
 
user6619012
@JayIsTooCommon okay, i will check it, but i already striggling from last 2 days, need to finish soon, also when i did "var_dump($_userStatus);" i got this : Notice: Undefined variable: _userStatus
 
dunno why, it didn't give me the entire IP header in the respone
 
heh, not in Vietnam quite yet :P
 
user6619012
if anyone help me for that, i will provide 50 bounty points.....
 
12:37 PM
this was ages ago though and it was probably a competence deficiency on my part
 
You should get the entire everything with a raw socket. You can bind a raw socket to listen and sniff all network traffic (as root)
 
Anonymous
@user5348fh8y5 So you're not interested in learning, you just want someone to do your work for you. No one is going to help you with that. Hire a developer
 
I feel like we've shaped Jay so well, makes my heart swell with pride.
 
user6619012
@JayIsTooCommon i am trying from last 2 days......
 
@Leigh reminds me of that "do not feed the intern" thing
 
12:39 PM
@Leigh ooops.. my bad
 
Anonymous
@Leigh :P
 
@pmmaga password_verify is also timing safe. As is hash_equals
 
tfw you get fed up of seeing the same >20 unread emails for days and just mark all as read
 
@Leigh It works already, just needs a minor checksum fix.
 
@DaveRandom Mailed? :)
 
12:46 PM
@Fabor burned, will be mailed today
 
Cheers \o/ :)
Burning a CD bring back memories?
 
it smells so good
 
@JoeWatkins it is an incorrect position when you blame the wrong people for it. I am not saying they are not entitled to feel at a disadvantage. But from the short research I did now, I just don't see how the EU is to blame for the decline of fishery in your place. And even if it was, I fail to see how brexiting will make british fishers more competitive. The UK would either have to massively tax or prohibit foreign fish imports or massively subsidize local fisheries.
wow. this feels so weird. discussing the fishing industry in the uk. A subject I am honestly clueless about. I should really not continue this.
 
@Fabor yes, not good ones :-P
 
like I said they weren't my reasons whatever, discussing fishing is weird ...
 
12:52 PM
heh
 
Is there a way to uniquely identify all of the (string) constants in the VM the way there is with the different types of vars (EX_VAR_TO_NUM(op->var))?
 
Morning All
@Trowski o/ @PeeHaa \o
 
@user5348fh8y5 hi. I am voting to close, because you completely changed the code
 
I am voting to lose because I am morally against winning.
 
1:03 PM
@DaveRandom I hate my work keyboard
 
I'm morally against hating inanimate objects.
If you animate it I will hate gladly.
 
you seem to have a moral fixation
 
I'm morally against having moral fixations.
 
what about moral sex?
 
I've never done such a thing
 
1:06 PM
it could be worse, it could have been oral fixation.
 
@Gordon No, however I'm fine with moaral sex
 
and wow. dem puns
 
@Ekin thanks for explaining ruining the pun
 
lol sorry :P
 
1:07 PM
@Ekin I stopped drinking a year ago and I'm trying to quit smoking (and failing). I'm screwed with that one already.
 
the latter is really hard
 
Anyone know why when I run the following code I don't get the insert into the actual DB? The page renders correctly with no error.
$statement = $con->prepare("INSERT INTO table (column1, column2) VALUES (:item1, :item2)");
$statement->execute(array("item1" => $_POST["Item1], "item2" => $_POST["Item2"]));
 
@DaveRandom Have you tried drugs? I finally quit about 4.5 months ago with Chantix
 
@Dereleased honestly, my heart's not in it
 
@DaveRandom I found that brewing green tea with boiling hot water helped me pause smoking. also calling it a pause takes away the pressure of not being allowed to smoke anymore. works since 17 years now.
 
1:09 PM
The problem is that I like smoking
 
@DaveRandom I had the same problem, that's why I got the drugs, took my heart/motivation out of the equation
 
@DaveRandom that's a lie
 
It really isn't
 
it is. no one likes smoking.
 
@Gordon I don't see why it has to be. I remember liking smoking.
 
1:10 PM
its all the nicotine messing with your brain
 
@Gordon Until the last year, I was ok with the idea that I'd always have a relationship with tobbacco
@Gordon people like that
 
I'm not super keen on being addicted to anything, but I like smoking
 
I've honestly still had a few cigs on a few occasions when I was doing a lot of drinking
but I haven't bought another pack for myself since 16 June
and I haven't smoked a pack's worth since then either
I feel better in some ways, but mostly I feel worse because now I really have no excuse not to get back into running, but I still haven't =P
 
smoking doesnt taste good. its a drug induced hallucination so to say. your body is just craving the nicotine. it's the removal of withdrawal symptoms that you like, but certainly not the cigarette's taste or something.
 
Mmmm delicious opioids
 
1:14 PM
Until the last year, the taste never bothered me. Actually liked the menthol, made my sinuses feel clearer. And yes we know we like/d the drug, but that made the act calming, soothing, etc. It seems like you're being willfully obtuse about this. You can say something is bad and still say you enjoy/ed it. Such is life.
 
Smoking can taste good if you grew up around it. You sorta got used to it as a child, and it's not a weird flavor
 
!!translate de obtuse
 
@Leigh I love the smell of cocaine in the morning
 
stumpf (translated from English)
 
I am not obtuse about it. I am rational about it.
 
1:15 PM
Hallo Scheiße du Kopf (translated from English)
 
Evidence removed
 
@DaveRandom I heard chloroform smells pretty good, but I don't recall anyone ever offering me some
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@Jeeves translated badly..
 
Though, as a smoker I don't recommend it, you lose your sense of smell and taste to a good extent unless you stop. Plus you don't realize you smell like smoke..
The only thing it's good for in my opinion is as a stimulant for those very very VERY long nights
 
@Gordon not stumpf. It's like you're deliberately trying not to understand.
 
and that's speaking from a Biology perspective.
 
1:18 PM
regaining my smell was quite enlightening. the first time I smelled a smoker it was so disgusting and I was happy not to smell like that anymore
 
@Darius Not smelling like smoke is nice, but honestly, as a biker, not smelling the world was a pretty big perk of smoking.
 
!!translate de obstinate
 
hartnäckige (translated from English)
 
But here's the funniest part of my experience.. Smokers tend to be a lot more chill, even ex smokers
 
dickköpfig
 
1:19 PM
it's just the type of people that have a certain mind set
 
oh, we say pig headed, not fat headed
 
!!translate la argentum
 
@tereško Sorry, I don't speak la
 
meh
 
1:20 PM
!!translate lv argentum
 
argentum (translated from English)
 
:D that typo is funny.... that means fat in spanish
 
@Leigh "latin"
 
oh right, thought you were going for latvian :P
 
lithuanians have some funny cus words, like you "Rooster"
most tend to be animal based lol
 
1:21 PM
!!translate lv dirsa
 
dirsa (translated from English)
 
@Ekin Hence my removal haha
 
^^
 
nope, latvian does not work either
 
Latvians don't work
Lazy bastards
 
1:21 PM
@Gordon @DaveRandom at the end of the day, I am glad I quit smoking. I wish anyone who wants to quit the best of luck. I recommend Chantix if you can stand the side effects. But I fully understand liking smoking, even though you know it's bad for you.
 
@Gordon Did you see the latest news RE brexit?
 
!!translate en dirsa
 
@Dereleased I don't believe it's valid to say "I like smoking" when in reality I am tricked by the drug into believing so. Try to remember your first few smokes. Did you really like that? The coughing when you inhaled? The nauseous feeling when your circulatory system went down? I didn't.
 
After quitting smoking the hardest reality is trying to stay awake... used to being so high wired on the nicotine (substitute for caffeine).
 
@Jimbo yes, Dave linked them earlier
 
1:23 PM
@Leigh I think you broke it
 
Guess so, doesn't like your asshole
 
@Gordon Fair point to you. When I started smoking, I was 16 and having a psychotic break, and the cigarettes brought me back to reality, so yes, I liked them very much. They are not really necessary since I dealt with the trauma umpteen years ago.
 
@Leigh it does not refer to hole
it's just "ass"
 
I don't mean to sound edgelord about that, I was just hallucinating (without drugs) and didn't like it. Friend gave me a Camel Wide and I stopped shaking. Couple hours and cigs later I felt normal.
 
I'm assuming it's using google translate in the background, which auto-detects "dirsa" as Javanese, not Latvian anyway
 
1:25 PM
!!uptime
 
@DaveRandom I have been running for 18 hours, 43 minutes and 36 seconds, since 2016-11-02 18:42:11
 
!!en --from=lv dirsa
 
asshole (translated from Latvian)
 
@Leigh it's MS translate, Google don't have a free API :-(
 
that's just wrong
!!en --from=jp 先輩
 
1:26 PM
@tereško Sorry, I don't speak jp
 
nope
 
!!en --from=ja 先輩
 
Senior (translated from Japanese)
 
oh
 
language codes, not country codes
 
1:27 PM
I also remember the craving sometimes when I didnt have any cigarettes anymore. I remember a friend of mine and I had no money to buy a new pack so we searched the whole house for some nickels and dimes. We thought it was funny. In retrospective it just amazes me how pitiful that was. we just didnt see it back then.
 
!!translate list
 
@Gordon , been there -__- with the sense of shame
 
The languages I speak are:
Afrikaans (af)
Arabic (ar)
Bosnian (Latin) (bs-Latn)
Bulgarian (bg)
Cantonese (Traditional) (yue)
Catalan (ca)
Chinese Simplified (zh-CHS)
Chinese Traditional (zh-CHT)
Croatian (hr)
Czech (cs)
Danish (da)
Dutch (nl)
English (en)
Estonian (et)
Fijian (fj)
Filipino (fil)
Finnish (fi)
French (fr)
German (de)
Greek (el)
Haitian Creole (ht)
Hebrew (he)
Hindi (hi)
Hmong Daw (mww)
Hungarian (hu)
Indonesian (id)
Italian (it)
Japanese (ja)
Kiswahili (sw)
Klingon (tlh)
Klingon (pIqaD) (tlh-Qaak)
 
Does Klingon, but not Latin
 
two flavours of klingon, no less
 
1:30 PM
@Gordon You would still tell the story as a humorous one if it was pudding you wanted. You should try to remember why you wouldn't want to do it without denigrating those who do, including your past self.
 
you can also do this:
!!command map lv translate magic
 
Command 'lv' is now mapped to Translate # magic
 
!!lv hello
 
labdien (translated from English)
 
@Dereleased yeah, but you know it's an addiction to a certain degree, so you realize how bad that is. You would normally just go ahh fuk it
 
1:31 PM
@Dereleased since when is pudding addicting?
 
Like if I crave soda, no cash, i just drink water, big whoop
i tried vapes, no sub for cigs
the nicotine vapes also aren't anything compared to cigs
 
@Gordon If you haven't had good enough pudding yet, then I guess never. But I guess I just have the soul of a diabetic. Oh, and the body of a diabetic ;)
What I'm trying to say is, I miss pudding
 
PHP room = smokers anonymous? lmao
and foreign affairs?
 
We're gonna solve the world's problems, just never our own, and never the public perception of the language
Pig-headed Helper People = PHP
 
1:33 PM
\o/
 
@Leigh the response to this was blocked because it was a duplicate of the last message Jeeves posted
 
@DaveRandom upboated
 
We could probably work around that by replying
 
Is there any way to match nested opening/closing braces then go outward? I'm pretty convinced regex isn't the tool to do it, is there anything out there that's better?
 
1:35 PM
For templating.
 
@tereško I'm scared to click on that
 
Anonymous
@tereško brb
 
the fuck is ecosexuality...
 
@tereško wtf did i just read
 
@Sean You can recursively match brace pairs, there's an example in the PHP manual, can you elaborate on what you are actually trying to do though?
 
1:36 PM
@tereško Funny, I thought that's what @PeeHaa likes to do on a saturday night
 
As PPI complaints soar, banks are left with many questions to answer, hopefully via cold call just as they sit down for their dinner.
 
user1804599
Yummy, dinner.
 
There are times I wish we could delete things on the Internet like we can on SO
This is the tutorial i used : codingcage.com/2015/01/…Dawid Trojanowski 10 mins ago
 
@DaveRandom The framework I'm building on has an i18n helper by replacing [t:NAME] with the correct translation based on the key. It supports replacing, so if it was `[t:Sean:MY_NAME_IS_%s] and was defined in the dictionary as 'My name is %s', it subs in the var.
The problem is I'm trying to nest these tags, and it just messes everything up. E.g. [t:[t:<?php echo $level; ?>:LEVEL_%S]:YOU_ARE_ON_%s]
 
OK so you want to fix the framework or mitigate it outside?
ftr that looks like a horrid thing to do
it's essentially variable variables
 
1:40 PM
Yeah, it does.
I think I'll just add in a translate method instead of replacing the template using those weird tags.
 
@Dereleased IMO smokers are - to a large extent - no longer in control of their own lives. Missing pudding doesn't force you to search your house for pudding money. And it doesn't force you to go for a smoking break every hour.
 
@Jimbo boink trees or boink himself under a waterfall?
 
@Sean just so I'm clear, what's the value of $level and what would be the expected output in that example?
 
user1804599
@Machavity the worst is when the authors are stubborn and don't delete/amend the post when you kindly ask them to.
 
user1804599
Pure distilled Dunning-Kruger.
 
1:42 PM
@Sean You can do recursive regex, but you're right, probably not the right tool for the job. A stateful parser would be the more correct tool (although probably slower when implemented in PHP userland)
 
@DaveRandom $level would just be a number in that example. The full string would return something like 'You are on level 5'. Normally I could just use one i18n replacement, but I'm trying to add in HTML between the tags, so 'Level 5' is wrapped around a span, hence the need to break it out
 
Anonymous
@Ekin Sexuality that's good for the environment. Dur.
 
You have no idea the depth of my pudding addiction. Spoiler Alert: I now have diabetes. =P

In all seriousness, I understand what you mean, but directly contradicting people to their face, surprisingly, rarely wins them over.
Yes I saw the irony in that as I was typing it
 
@JayIsTooCommon If no tuna were harmed during, does that make me an ecosexual?
 
@Danack I've checked few projects looking for BC in ObjectTypes

    Examined 9 projects
    +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------------+--------+
    | Project                     | GitHub                                         | Errors |
    +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------------+--------+
    | laravel/framework           | git@github.com:laravel/framework.git           | 0      |
    | symfony/symfony             | git@github.com:symfony/symfony.git             | 0      |
 
1:47 PM
@Dereleased I had plenty of discussion with smokers and came to the conclusion that they will usually not accept their sorry state no matter how many evidence you throw at them. The nicotine doesn't let them. So I can just as well be blunt (haha… pun) about it.
 
@Gordon Ever watched any of the shows about grossly obese people? They often act like smokers. I think too many people want to blame nicotene, when behavior can be just as bad without chemical addiction
 
@Machavity Dopamine addition is (probably) a real thing.
 
Cheese contains opioids, for reals, and we're all addicted to cheese right
 
You enjoy eating, so your brain wants you to eat more.
 
@Machavity whataboutism :)
 
Anonymous
1:48 PM
@Leigh As long as you switch the lights off
 
Well that's no fun at all
 
Tbh, adding in these i18n translations is trying to solve a problem I don't have.I think I'm just wasting my time
 
@Sean Erm... then you run the risk of absolving any bad behavior that's enjoyable. Makes all humans just a series of chemical reactions
 
Anonymous
@Machavity Which is kinda true :)
 
@Danack I was testing recursively in all versions of those projects, and oh... I made a mistake it only affects yii2 I had an error in script, and it seem's they know about it github.com/yiisoft/yii2/issues/7936
 
1:54 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Depends on which order you put them tho. Was the bad decision a result of the chemical reaction or the cause?
 
Anonymous
@Machavity As usual, I have no idea what the context is but everything we do is a chemical reaction
 
@JayIsTooCommon The context is, can you be held responsible for your chemical reactions?
 
Heck of a grey area.
 
Anonymous
@Machavity The cause would be a chemical reaction too
 
Has anyone heard of any places having certificate issues? Nearly a dozen of our services are having issues, but our certificate is fine, expiration date is valid, certificate is valid. I'm led to think it's a problem with our cert issuer, but not entirely sure.
 
1:58 PM
argh these prepared statements are frustrating
 
I was linked to a map with "down areas", and I'm wondering if it's an issue that's affecting more than just us...
 

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