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7:00 AM
\o
 
I am getting some problem with my mysql server
would you like to help me come out of this?
 
@Wes Nothing yet :)
I probably need to start over
 
Wes
:P
lol, it's js, it's normal
 
It's mostly the fact that I only found out later about that 3js online editor
Morning btw
 
Helo guys.. am trying to create the admin option for making the about us page in my website. It has got multiple title and description section as well as a slider How will i do that?
 
7:12 AM
I always use / build a what you see is most likely never what the fuck you wanted editor with support for blocks
 
Wes
that editor was cool
 
:D
mornin
 
Wes
@PeeHaa concept, i.imgur.com/UXP2dCj.png like it? hate it? dom library, remember? :B be honest... i'm not sure about it either
 
morning ma'am
@Wes meh
 
Wes
i need a better name maybe
 
7:15 AM
I can vaguely see a tomato because name, but an iglo?
 
Wes
because it's a dome :B
 
And yes you need a better name
@Wes Oh. Yeah never would have guessed it :P
UnderTheDom
 
Wes
maybe a tail of a worm could come out, rather than being an igloo
 
To represent a can of worms? :P
 
Wes
:'(
 
7:17 AM
:D
 
Wes
a cute worm :B
 
ha, kinda beat me to it
 
:)
 
Wes
too much time wasted on that, while being high, in high school
:B
 
7:18 AM
ikr
 
Wes
Dommy
 
dommy darko
 
Wes
from dummy
 
Worms 3d was terrible -_-
 
Wes
i don't remember which version i played. in fact i don't remember anything of that period :B
 
7:20 AM
dommy exists in github
huh, clojure thing though
 
Wes
meh, it wouldn't be the first name used twice
i don't really care :B
 
yea, considering there are 9284203 others with just /dom
 
Wes
lol
 
I moved a codeigniter website from linux server to a windows server but the URLs doesnt work it returns the following error Disallowed Key Characters is it because of IIS ??? thank in advance
 
I already have your thanks, sucker! /me runs off
 
7:31 AM
 
any solutions ?
 
@undefined please google "Disallowed Key Characters" and click the first link
 
Anonymous
mornin
 
try clearing your cache
 
Anonymous
@Gordon disabled it
 
Anonymous
7:33 AM
@Jeeves You alive?
 
not sure about that
!!uptime
 
Does anybody has an idea why DateTimeZone::listAbbreviations returns wrong informations? See 3v4l.org/WTUAW. For example "Europe/Luxembourg" is said to have an offset of 0 but it's actually UTC+1 (and in summer UTC+2).
 
today is friday he is probably drunk :P
 
Anonymous
@Linus He doesn't take after his owner @PeeHaa
 
^^
 
7:35 AM
@Gordon I already did but I didnt find a solution thats why I cam here to look for a solution
 
Anonymous
How'd it go with Emirates Ekin?
 
em, I didn't go to the office yet :( thanks for reminding actually
 
@Ekin oh, you're flying Emirates? That will be a very comfortable trip then. I love Emirates.
 
yeah I love it too, very comfy indeed
 
and the board entertainment is awesome
 
7:37 AM
yep :)
last time the asian guy next to me literally spent the whole flight playing sudoku though
 
I would like to fly Emirates. Do love BA though
 
moeurning
 
also, they go the extra mile. when the wife and I flew back from honeymoon, we were checking our wedding pictures and a steward saw it, asked whether we just got married. we said yes. he went off and fetched a small bottle of champagne and glass flutes, two chocolate sweets and a best wishes card signed by all the crew members.
 
ha, awesome
 
truly amazing.
 
7:40 AM
indeed :) it is an experience
and those little jack daniels bottles are too cute, I had a lot of them last time
 
FRYDAI Fryydai
 
@Ekin I'm a sucker for JD as a brand but I cannot use the regular no7 for anything anymore, except mixing or cooking pasta sauce.
!!scrabble friday
!!is @Jeeves alive?
 
don't think so, been a while
@PeeHaa wake him up!!11¡¡
 
@Jeeves you drunk?
 
@Gordon it's also great for tiramisu btw
 
7:46 AM
@Ekin nice. never done a tiramisu myself though
I do like the JD sauces and the toffees they have
 
I did once and had to substitute brandy/cognac with that, found it even better
 
oh. I am checking the JD online shop. They have a new thing called Jack Daniel‘s Tennessee Fire
cinnamon liquor blended with JD
I bet it's crap, like the JD honey and the winter jack, but I guess I have to buy it :D
 
Mornins
 
o/
yeah :D I'll give it a try as well. I like the honey one actually
 
\o
 
7:51 AM
@Ekin you can have my bottle :)
 
@Gordon :) heh, I wouldn't say no
 
\o
 
o/
 
Wes
@FrankLiepert not the first time i hear of these problems. i suggest to submit a bug on bugs.php.net
 
heh, they Tennessee Fire costs 20 bucks in the JD store, but 36 on Amazon although sold through JD directly. wtf
@Ekin have you tried the Jack Daniel’s No. 27 Gold?
 
user1804599
7:57 AM
@kelunik Anything that can be parsed easily (not HTML).
 
@Gordon I think I haven't yet, I would probably remember
did you?
 
Wes
@FrankLiepert i confirm it's a bug though, also check 3v4l.org/jXFbT
 
@rightfold You can have look at a project of mine. Should get you started: github.com/kelunik/daas/blob/master/bin/import#L134-L172
 
@Ekin nope. tempted to buy it, but its 90 bucks
 
I wonder if it's close to single barrels
those were really nice
 
8:02 AM
@Ekin yep, much better than the no.7
 
indeed, also, I really want to try the sinatra century but here I had no luck finding :(
 
Hey guys !! need suggestions !! Is this good to go with Angular js ? Haven't tried but want to.
 
Why don't you try it and decide for yourself?
 
I am confused with angular and angular2 both are different
 
@BarneyStinson why would you use angular1 when there is 2?
 
@Ekin they have it in the online shop, but I am not paying 150 bucks, let alone the 450 for the special collectors edition.
 
As far as I have researched it's not about versioning it's total different from each other @gordon
 
@Ekin I am not even sure its different in taste. they have a habit of just repackaging their old no7 with pretty labels
@BarneyStinson yes, because they figured out a lot of things they did wrong in angular 1
 
Oh okay !
Thanks for your time @Gordon
 
@Gordon It's now cheaper to buy in £s :D
 
8:08 AM
@Gordon that's true, but I'd think for the 100th birthday of Frank Sinatra they wouldn't do that
also this one is also 100 proof, the single barrel 100 one was really nice. but well, they could
 
@BarneyStinson you're welcome. now suit up and download angular 2 or just dont bother at all and go directly for react
@Ekin the description in the online shop is vague about it. the box comes with a bottle and some accessories about sinatra.
@Leigh ;)
 
Spotted a function defined in a public method.
// Function to deformat date from UI (strptime not available on Win
// platform, and as I like to use Win I have to make up for it's
// deficiencies here. A bit like a comfort bunny.) Expects format to be
// d/m/Y
Internally screams
 
hey guys
 
@Sean don't keep it inside. let it out
 
Also the format we get from the form is d-m-y, and this is a problem we've had for years
why has noone spotted this ._.
 
8:12 AM
when I check my php info file , I have the version 5.6 but in command line if I type php -v it says 5.2
 
Hahah Awesome it was legend--wait for it---dary !!! @Gordon
 
anyone knows how to redirect the php command to the correct installed version ?
 
@Valentincognito change the PATH environment variable
 
last time I did that, I fucked up pretty bad ><
but Ill try again
 
@Valentincognito that was last time
 
8:15 AM
true
 
now is your chance to fuck up even worse
 
Wes
@Sean why are you even doing that? use intl :|
s/you/they
 
@Valentincognito although, you don't need to change the path variable necessarily. I am assuming you are on some sort of *nix, so just type ll `which php`
this is likely a symlink. so you just change that to the whatever it should point to
 
i found the trick for now
i just run : /usr/php/56/bin/php
instead of just php :p
 
yeah, that's obviously another option. chances are you have a php5 alias for that already. type php tab tab
on ubuntu 16 the php stuff is in /etc/alternatives, so you can also use this approach askubuntu.com/questions/484561/…
 
8:22 AM
@Gordon thanks
 
You could also probably make use of phpenv
 
or just use docker containers
endless possibilities
 
when I set up a web server
that's the worst part for me when you start a new project
I am all excited to start something new but it always takes me so much time to set up the server...
now this
[RuntimeException]
Failed to clone https://github.com/laravel/laravel.git via https, ssh protocols, aborting.
- https://github.com/laravel/laravel.git
okay see you another day
I installed laravel 200 times, first time I see this error
 
ewww, laravel
 
either https or .git, not both
 
8:31 AM
@Gordon ewww ?
 
Yes. Eww
@Valentincognito Sorry, we don't do Laravel here.
 
someone said it's the McDonalds of PHP before
I think it was @Fabor
 
@Jimbo You dont do , or you dont like ?
 
Both, proudly
 
Am I even tolerate here then ? ^_^
 
8:33 AM
 
@Valentincognito Of course you're welcome here, for PHP stuff ;)
 
:D indeed @Gordon nice find there
 
@Valentincognito why do you have trouble setting up a webserver when you do laravel? dont they provide this homestead vm? and this valet thing?
 
@Gordon for a local setup yeah
not for production
 
so I guess it's laranotsovell
 
8:38 AM
but btw here laravel isnt the problem, it's my composer
 
Hi guys
do you guys know the XACT_STATE in MS SQL ?
how do i convert it to Oracle?
 
TaylorOtwell, Arkansas
3.3k 4 20 33
one would think he'd have a gold badge in laravel
 
......................
 
But I want to know, why 'ewww' ? ^^
 
@Gordon He only cares about money and marketing, why would he actually care about giving back, other than to appear to be giving back for monetary purposes
 
8:45 AM
E_FUD
 
> FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Using FUD. FUD is used to describe tactics used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.
 
@Wes do you requirejs?
 
@Gordon @Jimbo What do you guys use generally ? Home made framework ? Other frameworks ?
 
@Valentincognito java
 
8:46 AM
oh I think I read that reddit one day
yeah but if you have to use PHP ><
 
Wes
@PeeHaa not really :B
 
@Jimbo In other words, personal attacks, especially those that assert what other other people think, are feeding the beast
 
@Valentincognito I like vanilla php and using adapting packages
 
damn
 
Wes
also npm modules require !== requirejs
js sucks
 
8:48 AM
@DaveRandom I'm merely responding to the personal attacks he made to phil sturgeon and other members of the community on twitter before deleting his tweets. He's an asshole and I'm not afraid to call him out on it
 
R.P
php-fpm or apache with mod_php?
 
His online attitude is appalling
 
@Wes A vendor requires this thing and it's the worst I have seen
 
@R.P fpm. using mod_php is discouraged for years now. See at the bottom of wiki.apache.org/httpd/php
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa Oi, fix my man
 
Wes
8:49 AM
@PeeHaa which one? actual require.js or npm's require?
 
yeah, wake Jeev up, he's late
 
@JayIsTooCommon ?
@Wes requirejs
!!uptime
@DaveRandom fix it fix it fix it
/me is fixing js already
 
!!downtime
:D
 
@PeeHaa wait wut?
 
mornings
 
8:51 AM
o/
 
Wes
@PeeHaa i think that's not used anymore
 
R.P
@Gordon - thx, getting some same conclusion. How do people usually solve url rewrite? Found cople of methods, but nothing that comes as best solutin
 
yeah been an hour (or more maybe) Jeeves is not around
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom Fairly certain it was @Wes that broke him
 
Wes
and i have no idea about it
 
8:51 AM
It was indeed @Fabor Ekin
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon :(
 
Anonymous
gross.
 
@Jimbo OK, then call him an asshole. But "he only cares about..." is not actually a direct response, it's tenuous extrapolation. I'm concerned that a lot of people who are not regulars in this room view it as a a closed community who protects their own and attacks others - or in other words, like internals. We need to avoid perpetuating/validating that view point.
 
hi everyone
 
Wes
8:53 AM
actually i think this killed it

i killed it

8 hours ago, 44 seconds total – 3 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked 13 secs ago by Wes

someone should implement !!fuggettabotit now
 
!!uptime
 
@DaveRandom Okay, I get that, but that doesn't prevent some from putting forward their own viewpoint.. I'd hope that we don't get to the stage where "My views do not represent the room as a whole" is required - that's twitter / tumblr level ;)
 
@Jimbo If it's your viewpoint, please prefix it with "I think..."
 
@R.P url rewriting is independent of the SAPI you use. If you use apache to connect to fpm, you can still use mod_rewrite. If you use nginx, you use the built-in rewrites.
 
!!auto-pin-i-think
 
8:55 AM
Fuck it @Wes. This thing is terrible. I'll just dump everything in a single file instead
#jsolo
 
Anonymous
lol
 
I wonder having multiple fpm pools has a big perf effect
by multiple I mean min 4
 
Wes
@PeeHaa did you check if webpack works on it? it supports many inclusion methods, maybe it also supports require.js
 
@Ekin it does?
 
And no I am not wishing to be the thought police or anything like that, I'm just reminding you that someone could point to that message in isolation with no context and say "look! the @Jimbo guy spreads FUD about our community" and no-one would bother to find out the context, you would just be vilified
Whereas if it says "I think that..." then you can just respond with "that's clearly expressed as my view, fuck off"
 
8:58 AM
@Wes Can't be arsed for a simple campaign site
 
Wes
lol
 
@DaveRandom I see your point. I just don't like policing myself but perhaps I should sometimes :P
 
@Danack I guessed so, however isn't it also ok/good/better to have multiple apps running in separate pools? I'm considering this for a server where I have four nix users each with their own dir. root & nginx
s/in separate pools/in their own isolated pool
all four has to stay in isolation, that's the main concern
 
@Ekin four pools or four independent masters?
 
@Ekin it is better...I've never seen it slow down when having multiple pools.....either something has gone horribly wrong, or your application is doing something weird...
 
9:01 AM
just pools, single master
 
@Jimbo No-one does, that's how bullshit like the thing you are responding to gets started in the first place.
 
@DaveRandom Trying to think logically... I reckon that the reason I don't put I think is because it removes credibility from my opinion, in my opinion? Perhaps
 
@Ekin if its multiple apps that would imply you have to restart them together when using a single master for them
 
riiight I didn't think of that
 
not saying its bad, just sth to consider
 
9:03 AM
I came to this room a few days ago to ask a question and since then every time I am in my office I leave it on to see what's going on because who knows ? I might learn one or two things reading other developers problems and their solutions. And I am also always open to meet new people and share similar interests. But I always struggle doing so.
Perhaps I live in a unicorn world but I’d hope people would be nicer to each other when it comes to expose your opinions. I wish I could live in a world where I can freely say I use this technology over that one because I like it and it suits me and my level of programmation. I also wish I could live in a world where people understand that programming in a local environment for yourself or for a company is a lot different.
just saying
sorry if I got carried away with the length of this text
 
@Jimbo No it's because you are a human being. It's the chimp part of your brain that acts defensively without thinking, just like everyone else. That is why arguments start on twitter, because the chimp is in defensive mode all the time, so if something can be interpreted in more than one way, it will pick the worst one and respond to it.
 
@Valentincognito well, apart from us not liking laravel and being vocal about it, did you learn a thing or two while in here?
 
I actually did
 
see, all good :) room 11 is teh awesome ;)
 
@Valentincognito This really doesn't need to be said. It doesn't remove people from being vocal, especially considering many of them are many-years professionals who know what they're talking about and not just a bunch of annoyed devs ;)
You'll find people in here care less about money and more about being a professional with integrity in their work <--- this isn't my opinion
 
9:06 AM
Twitter is particularly bad for this because a) you only have 140 characters, which means parts of a complex sentiment inevitably get dropped and b) it's text-only communication. People misinterpret ambiguous things in real life, when they have all kinds of other cues to pick up on. When you boil it down to text only, body language/tone/inflections, everything disappears, and you are left with highly ambiguous things. @Jimbo
and it goes round and round and round because people keep feeding it
 
@Jimbo yeah, we know you don't care about integrity ;D
 
@DaveRandom Hmm, are you still scolding me? ;)
@PeeHaa is my mum and @DaveRandom is my dad
2
 
No not at all, I'm pointing out that it's how all humans work
However you don't have to work like that
It's difficult, but you can train yourself to think before you act (I fail at this all the time)
 
@Jimbo wait. WHAT? doesn't that make Jimbo's mum … mindblown
 
@Gordon It's like... momception
 
9:09 AM
Read this if you are interested
I also have other resources if you want them
 
!!uptime
 
@PeeHaa I'm trying to track down the actual cause before I restart it
 
You know how sensory deprivation chambers can make you hallucinate b/c your senses lack data? The internet is a context deprivation chamber.
 
The latest commits looked fine
Also knockoutjs @Wes :|
I hate this project so much
 
@DaveRandom I might buy this, thanks. Still wont help with my immaturity though, not sure anything can...
 
9:11 AM
@PeeHaa It's a post loop blockage I think
 
@Jimbo Well I felt the need to say it, because as stated I learned a few things and I'd like to stay and share with people in this room but I feel like in any other internet communities, I am scared to press the enter key every time I want to say something
 
@Valentincognito Okay, so the "scared" or "safe" thing really isn't up for discussion here imo. But, you're more than welcome to chat away, and shouldn't need anyone to tell you that :-) as long as you are prepared to accept criticism and understand that the way in which you or anyone else does things may not be the best or right way - and learn from it
 
@Jimbo that's not the problem, and if it was then I would certainly not be in a position to throw stones around that particularly small glass house :-P
 
(as I'm being schooled right now)
 
@Valentincognito no-one here is going to tell you that you suck. We might tell you that your code sucks, but if we do then we'll tell you why it sucks and how to improve it.
 
9:13 AM
^
 
Anonymous
@Valentincognito You will learn a shit tonne by hanging around this place. It's a room full of twats but twats with a lot of knowledge, apart from @PeeHaa, don't listen to him. And generally, if you ask the right questions, you'll get a lot of help / advice. Sometimes the advice doesn't come across as 'friendly' but it's usually given with good intention. You just gotta get used to it :)
 
Wes
@PeeHaa another 0 day js framework
 
@JayIsTooCommon This was beautiful thank you <3
 
@JayIsTooCommon okay , gotcha
 
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9:20 AM
@JayIsTooCommon great words indeed, but I'll state just for the record that @PeeHaa is the one who helped me submit my first composer package and all, he's also nice and does all the things :P
 
Anonymous
@Ekin I know I know, he's alright I guess. Just smells funny.
 
@Ekin You must have caught him on the off minute that he was sober
 
heh yeah, na I kinda blew up the joke but dunno if he'd get it wrong
 
@Jimbo nah… Ballmer Peak
 
user3119231
Hello, I'm currently stuck with an array. It's multidimensional and every array contains they key "color". I need to return the color which is found as most in the arrays. Any hints?
 
9:23 AM
@Maurize E_NEED_CODE_EXAMPLE
 
Anonymous
@Valentincognito Jokes about @PeeHaa, apart from the smell, he's alright.
 
user3119231
@Jimbo What code example? A MYSQL Query? lol
 
Wes
@PeeHaa you think my indentation sucks? w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/core.html#i-Document
 
@Maurize Typically, you'll find this everrywhere (on stackoverflow, with colleagues, your boss etc), you need to show: a simple example of the problem, the inputs, expected output, and what you've tried
 
user3119231
9:24 AM
@Gordon Exactly what I've searched for! Thank you!
 
yw
 
user3119231
@Jimbo uhm, no. Not really. I didn't asked for an answer, only for a hint
 
@Maurize No I don't mean for the answer I mean to enable others to best help you...
 
user3119231
oh, right.
 
@PeeHaa it looks like the issue may not have been with the mutex anyway :-(
 
9:32 AM
Morning
 
essentially the same thing has happened where the action executor loop got locked on something, with apparently no exception being thrown
We have a "post attempt 1" message but no "got response" message, and nothing logged here either /cc @bwoebi @kelunik
 
I need some insight in dependency management. I'm using Composer to manage my php dependencies. But I want to include https://github.com/dhg/Skeleton as well. I can't seem to find one in the packagist repo. So I guess I have three options:
- Download and include it directly
- Use bower
- Use bower and then link it to composer (https://inviqa.com/blog/manage-project-dependencies-bower-and-composer)
Is the third option the way to go or is there another (better) way?
For the info, it's for an open source project I will be posting on github
 
You could fork it and add it to packagist?
You can also add to your composer.json things that aren't directly on packagist using "repository" I think
 
@HamZa create a top level repo with a composer.json, add that repo as a submodule?
 
@Jimbo doesn't that mean I need to "maintain" the package?
 
9:36 AM
@Jimbo "repository" only works with things that have a composer.json
 
Yeah I mean add it
@HamZa Depends if you require updates
:)
 
hehe
 
@HamZa there's a problem with using composer for that project anyway, in that the things in it are public resources
You don't really want to fuck around in the web server config exposing thing in vendor as public, that can only end badly
What will you actually be using from that repo?
 
the css files
Maybe I should just download and include it in my project with proper attribution...
 
That's what I would suggest
How often are you expecting to need to roll out updates to it?
And will you be using it in multiple projects?
 
9:41 AM
It's just one OSS project that I wanted to make in this holiday. So once I'm done with it, I'm not expecting to touch it any further
 
Then yeh, just download the files, attribute them with comments, and include them in your repo directly
at least, that's what I'd do
 
Will do. thanks for the insights guys.
 
@HamZa any idea how much it is used? You could see if the author is interested in trying to someone like maxcdn to host it
 
@DaveRandom no idea, I like it because it's lightweight. On a second glance, it has 12K stars on GH
 
@HamZa it sounds like a good candidate for a CDN, suggest you open an issue
 
9:45 AM
@kelunik It's obviously superfluous…
 
Anonymous
hmm
 
@DaveRandom what's the issue? nothing gets executed?
 
@DaveRandom seems like it's already done github.com/dhg/Skeleton/issues/231
 
any magento user out there ?
 
only sad ones
=p
 
9:49 AM
kinda nice this: cdnjs.com
 
@bwoebi Well it looks like artax HttpClient#request() promise never resolves and doesn't throw. If the promise resolved we'd see the log message on L52, and if it throws anything we'd see the log message on L124
 
@ro
i m facing a problem
 
But the loop has just hung
 
need some help
 
@DaveRandom I'd have to debug this on the server
 
9:50 AM
@bwoebi is there any way you can attach to a running process? I haven't restarted it
But it's obviously only running with a regular php binary
and it's running under a service wrapper
 
@DaveRandom phpdbg? no…
It's on my todo list
 
@bwoebi OK, in that case what can I do to make it so that if/when it happens again, you will be able to do something about it?
Because it doesn't happen very often
 
but I could attach gdb
you said the whole loop were stuck, right?
 
@bwoebi this is the entry point, called from here
There should only be one instance of a running call to executeActionsFromQueue('chat.stackoverflow.com#11')
 
@DaveRandom uh, just one question, is the whole loop stuck? (i.e. nothing is working anymore)? Or is it just this one resolve() which never ends?
 
9:56 AM
quick question: got 3 tables A / B and C, A always has a connection to B but not always to C, so for the A / B I need to do a search in both tables, I'm using inner on the first, what do I use on the second?
 
left join?
 

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