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3:02 PM
@NikiC do you see any use for the monthly php7 builds @3v4l now there are alpha's released as well?
 
@NikiC I just don't wanna test all these npaths :P
 
@Sjon As there's supposed to be two alpha/beta releases per month, that probably doesn't make sense anymore
 
@Danack it may be a plan, btw
 
cool.
 
@Danack usual place?
 
3:04 PM
@Sjon having master builds could be useful to see 7.1 though
has 7.0 been branched yet?
 
@FlorianMargaine nop
 
ah, not useful yet then.
 
@Ocramius Isn't that blatant coverage abuse?
 
@Ocramius yep, works for me. Do you want to estimate a time, or just ping me when you're on the way?
 
@NikiC agreed; I'm gonna remove them
@FlorianMargaine yeah; I'll consider creating monthlies for soon-to-be released majors
 
3:08 PM
@Sjon Thanks for doing 3v4l :)
 
@NikiC It would totally be a BC break, if gettype would be changed. Instead, we could maybe rename them just for the type hints being used in those signature dumps?
 
It's really useful
@kelunik Yes, just for the typehint dump
That code does not go through gettype anyway
 
@NikiC you're welcome, I still enjoy running it :)
 
oh hai @Sjon, fanx 4 3v4l
 
@NikiC I'm lazy as heck.
And I like my array_merge([], [], ...array_map(stuff))
 
3:10 PM
@JoeWatkins :)
 
@Danack I will depart from here around 19:45 anyway
 
@Sjon thanks for 3v4l. Unfortunately, Ctrl + Enter doesn't work anymore, it deletes some of the input code before submitting it.
 
@kelunik that sucks, what part of the code does it delete?
ah, it ignores changes I think
 
Yes, that's probably the problem, because submitting a new file with Ctrl + Enter results in 3v4l.org/kuLmD
 
@NikiC can you look at this for me, I feel like I'm going crazy ...
array_init(return_value);

	for (face = 0; face < faces->total; face++) {
		CvRect *rect = (CvRect*) cvGetSeqElem(faces, face);
		zval child;

		array_init(&child);

		add_assoc_long(&child, "x", rect->x);
		add_assoc_long(&child, "y", rect->y);
		add_assoc_long(&child, "width", rect->width);
		add_assoc_long(&child, "height", rect->height);

		add_next_index_zval(return_value, &child);
	}
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000000075140e in zend_mm_alloc_small (heap=0x7ffff6600040, size=88, bin_num=9, __zend_filename=0xa0d088 "/usr/src/php-src/Zend/zend_API.c", __zend_lineno=1093, __zend_orig_filename=0x0, __zend_orig_lineno=0) at /usr/src/php-src/Zend/zend_alloc.c:1222
1222                    heap->free_slot[bin_num] = p->next_free_slot;
(gdb) back
#0  0x000000000075140e in zend_mm_alloc_small (heap=0x7ffff6600040, size=88, bin_num=9, __zend_filename=0xa0d088 "/usr/src/php-src/Zend/zend_API.c", __zend_lineno=1093, __zend_orig_filename=0x0, __zend_orig_
that's array_init(&child) faulting ... I have no clue why
 
3:16 PM
@kelunik weird, seems like document.forms[0].submit(); doesn't trigger forms[0].addEventListener('submit'
 
that's nonsensical, right ?
 
I have to program a forum/message board next. Anyone got any suggestions for tutorials or systems I should look at before starting?
 
@chozilla None of the off-the-shelf solutions suitable?
 
@SilentEcho the message board will be part of my game, so it has to be integrated in the front end and tie in with the game objects and so on and so forth.
 
@JoeWatkins I don't see anything wrong with this code
 
3:26 PM
me neither, it's driving me totally mad
 
Did you check valgrind for errors occurring earlier than that?
@Ocramius You do realize that array_merge([]) is valid, right?
 
there's a bit of XY going on @NikiC ... I had perfectly normal code, I took an object of a specific class with zpp as a parameter to the method of another object, anotherobject->pzval = pzval; Z_ADDREF_P(pzval), on the next call to anotherobject on a different method, the pzval had changed, so I changed it to a zval, now I get even more weirdness ...
I must be misunderstanding something ...
that's what I did have, which looks right to me
the cascade now points to an Image object (a valid one)
 
@kelunik I've fixed it; indeed form.submit() doesn't trigger the submit event; apparently that is 'normal behavior'
 
@bwoebi I noticed you added zend_ce_division_by_zero_error as a ZEND_API variable, while most of the others, such as zend_ce_error are accessed through functions. Would it make sense to eliminate the functions for consistency? The function call seems unnecessary.
 
3:45 PM
@JoeWatkins Yes, it need to be a zval
That zval* will just point somewhere on the call stack and isn't valid after the function returns
 
there must be something else wrong though, it didn't solve the problem
 
There's always more problems ^^
 
@chozilla To be honest, depending what you need from a message board it can be the simplest thing ever or one of the worst ^^ It's definitely an area I push nosql.
 
@SilentEcho I never worked with nosql but it might be also a valid solution for he game itself...
@SilentEcho I think i will concentrate on treads, messages and just the real basic stuff.
 
nothing is making sense
that this works, and does not complain of leaks is inexplicable ... I could strangle something ...
 
3:54 PM
@JoeWatkins hm... so... you're working on "facial", eh?
for a dating site?
 
how to upload multiple files in one field in database
 
@FlorianMargaine hehe ... it's a good name, right ?
 
in php
 
@JoeWatkins not sure "good" is the right word :D
 
I thought it was good
 
3:55 PM
how to update multiple files
in database
 
@JoeWatkins Oh yeah, the object is freed automatically
Missed that
 
wtf
 
Anonymous
I'm off, until next time o/
 
@JoeWatkins In PHP 7 the free handler should only clean up the stuff the object holds on to, the actual free is done by the engine
 
but I done the actual alloc
that's breaking the most basic rules, isn't it ?
 
3:57 PM
yeah, I don't know why this was changed
It's actually pretty inconvenient from the engine side (I don't think we need the struct offset for anything but this free)
 
nasty
thanks for your help niki, problem solved whatever ...
 
posted on July 02, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by DannyFeliz */

 
@chozilla Out of interest, what's the theme of the game?
 
y git no wget :(
 
Are there actually no good "Learn PHP in {$x} minutes" videos on youtube? >_<
 
4:09 PM
@chozilla You can't learn programming, or any programming language, in $x minutes (unless values of $x are very large).
 
@SilentEcho the theme is a spaceship where you survive an alien-bug-infestation and have to coordinate with your fellow survivors how to defend when the creepers start to crawl again. (s1.darkaura.de)
 
@chozilla Sounds fun.
 
@SilentEcho it is, but not when you can only chat with ppl in the same room or when things are getting to complicated in a normal chat-type way.
 
@chozilla I'm not sure what you mean ^^
 
@SilentEcho I just mean that "chat" is not a good way to coordinate 30 people without any enforced hierarchy.
I think I have to finish the forum thing really fast, its one of the last things I need before it can go live.
 
4:16 PM
@chozilla Should be easy, assuming you're using a database of some kind
@chozilla You need 2 tables: thread and message, each message has a thread_id and thread_order column to determine where to pull and in what order to render. Each message is linked to a user_id.
That's the most basic layout for a message board
Above that you could have 'boards', each thread has a board_id, render by latest reply (DATETIME col on message)?
 
@SilentEcho what do i need the thread order for?
 
@chozilla The order can be a datetime if you want to display chronologically
 
i think that or up-down votes.
 
@chozilla Yeah when I said order column, I didnt literally mean a column called thread_order, I meant some kind of column to order on :)
 
@NikiC oh, it's a variadic now?
I remember having failures with only one parameter
 
4:21 PM
@Ocramius It should only fail with zero parameters
 
Yeap, I can remove one param then :)
thx for the other bug report, I'll look into it
 
@Ocramius you're fast
 
@SilentEcho it would have been a good idea to think about noSql before making the game so fare, but currently everything runs, kind of "ok-ish" with mySQL
 
I really hope this is not a bug in PHPDocumentor.
 
@Ocramius Btw this might not actually be related to the use of the namespace name itself, but to importedNamespace\className in general. This is just what reproduced easiest ^^
 
4:36 PM
Yup
I'm not able to reproduce it just with the ParameterTypeFinder btw
 
@Trowski no idea… ask @NikiC why he made the others static with getters…
 
weird.
 
@bwoebi I didn't ^^ It was already there for Exception and ErrorException, so stuck with convention
But I find it annoying as well
I'd prefer exporting the globals and dropping the getters
 
Totally agree
 
@NikiC If you don't have any objections, I'll exercise my new commit privileges and drop those.
 
4:38 PM
@Trowski I think it's fine.
 
@Trowski Start with only the new stuff though, because BC :)
(i.e. don't drop the default exception getter and whatever was there beforehand)
 
@Trowski you can make them all non-static though… just leave the old getters in.
 
@bwoebi yes
 
Right, I'll just leave zend_get_default_exception() and zend_get_error_exception().
But also export the zend_class_entry.
 
@NikiC weird that this test passes for me:
I'll try debugging it step-by-step :|
aaaand yep, PHPDocumentor bug :X
 
4:46 PM
I'd leave the function calls - dynamic loading + dlls can lead to soem stupid behavior with exported ce vars
yes, people still do that madness
 
Oh, @ElizabethMSmith joined the gang, welcome
 
speaking of - trying to replace a return_value with a stored zval is having major gc issues - this used to work -
bah humbug - it either leaks or errors our when you try to delref in the destructor
oh php7 you make me angry
unless I've found another bug... last bug was with exceptions and cost me two hours until I found an opaque reference in a commit and rebuilt php7 :(
 
@chozilla Most things run fine with SQL-based data stores. I just prefer nosql from a pov of thinking paradigm a lot of the time
 
@ElizabethMSmith What bothers me is we have a mix right now. All the interfaces are exported ce's and now a couple of exceptions are.
 
@Trowski yes, I think what happens is they started with exceptions because people doing extensions on windows found the problem... but since they only need some everythign wasn't moved over
/me sighs
so we now have a lovely mixed mess
 
4:55 PM
@SilentEcho since i have no experience with noSQL I did everything with MySQL. But it was hell modeling Entity-Component based things. And I still end up with 15-25 querys in one Action.
 
@ElizabethMSmith So using zend_ce_error directly to access the Error ce instead of a function call would actually cause issues on windows?
 
only with shared extensions - well at least it used to - I haven't tested it with 2015 yet :)
hurray non sucky compiler!
 
@NikiC Any knowledge about this ^
 
I should set up a windows compile environment again, my last one is sadly out of date
 
@Trowski nope, I don't compile on windows
 
4:59 PM
@ElizabethMSmith If you have a few minutes you could pull master on Windows and see if using zend_ce_division_by_zero_error gives you any problems.
 
as I said, I need to set up a new box to get master building - my old box only does old 5 :)
 
Ah, more time consuming than I thought.
 
@chozilla You may want to consider whether you need to be doing 15 queries in any action, or whether a single more complex query is easier.
 
@SilentEcho I learned that you can always optimize after the software does what it is supposed to.
 
@chozilla You can indeed, but sometimes it's best to do it right the first time. ;)
 
5:05 PM
@SilentEcho No one does it right the first time. ;)
 
won't windows want to support more than the latest version of vc anyway ?
 
hopefully yes
but probably not
:)
 
@ElizabethMSmith So essentially, rather than eliminating the functions, I really should be wrapping zend_ce_division_by_zero_error in a function as well.
 
The question is - what are you hoping to accomplish? Ripping out the existing functions will mean yet another extension breakage point. Probably newer windows compilers won't have the issues with exported pointers (also our build system is less stupid with the settings it uses) so you can just export all the ces - but killing the functions that exist would probably make people scream - I think if the goal is uniformity of api functions is the way shrug
zval_delref_p: Assertion (((*(ps)).u1.v.type_flags & (1<<2)) != 0 failed
take the delref out
 
@ElizabethMSmith We'd keep the functions that exist before PHP 7 ;)
 
5:18 PM
leak
wtf
 
@ElizabethMSmith You're doing a delref on a type that is not refcounted
 
it's an object
... how is it not refcounted?
 
@ElizabethMSmith Are you sure it's an object? The assert says otherwise
 
I know it's an object - I put it there :)
which is why I think I found another dang bug
/me headdesks
the only thing that I can possibly think of is gc is being too smart
and cleaning up before this
I added a ref to try and keep that from happening but... yeah php7 :(
 
@Trowski I have a windows env ready from last week… Shall I compile?
 
5:22 PM
@ElizabethMSmith If you use DELREF you must be doing something very weird in the first place. Can you post code?
 
@bwoebi Sounds like you'd have to compile the extension using zend_ce_division_by_zero_error as a shared object.
 
@Trowski uh, an extension
actually there's just one ext and that's ext/standard … which I can't really compile as shared^^
 
@bwoebi Right... Umm... maybe toss a reference in something you can compile as shared and see what happens.
 
Anyway… Anatol will complain when needed^^
 
Yeah, we should have a test extension that does stuff like that
 
5:24 PM
great idea
 
Internal apis are totally... not tested :)
Nikic wrapping C stuff is fun - I have to keep objects around the user might have passed in... because the underlying C library doesn't have a spot to stash random pointers to keep things together
THis is from cairo - is used to work like this github.com/gtkforphp/cairo/blob/master/cairo_pattern.c#L152 in 5 - but my attempts to translate that for 7 are either leaking or delref is failing
 
you can't keep pointers anymore
cause strangeness
 
seriously?
wtf
 
and as niki said, delref would have been weird before, but probably not what you want now either ...
yep, serious, it's kinda obvious when you think about it ... but it's a huge pain in the ass obj->pzval = pzval; Z_ADDREF_P(pzval) is like our bread and butter as ext devs ...
 
how the hell am I supposed to do this now
argh
 
5:31 PM
obj->zval = *pzval;
Z_ADDREF(obj->zval)
 
ugh - add that to my list of "stupid stuff in 7 internals"
along with "even more boilerplate" and "why are we still using macros to make sure our constructor was called"
 
Zend Engine is definitely in Macro Hell.
 
some macros are necessary ... the idea floats around to remove all of them ... whoever keeps floating it should read some source code (Pierre) and think about writing extension that have to pass ZEND_FILE_LINE_DC around when we just got rid of TSRMLS_HELL
 
I"m not kill all macros
I'm kill all boilerplate :)
I keep c & p the same things over and over :(
 
is it just me, or does it sound like what you need is moar macros :D
 
5:37 PM
@ElizabethMSmith Generally when things are refcounted you only call the destructor when the refcount hits zero, so doing a delref in a destructor is a logical mistake.
 
levi - the point is I don't want gc to clean it up, so I add an extra ref before I store it
 
well it might not be .. it depends what you did to the refcount in the first place, but it's probably dtor you want to call ...
 
then when the object it's in is destructed, I delref it :)
that allows it to get cleaned up right without it being cleaned up before I want it to be :)
 
@ElizabethMSmith So you are manually calling a destructor?
 
?? no -
 
5:39 PM
Then what you want is logically impossible.
 
I have one object that has to store an instance of another object
 
you have to be dead certain that you are not calling delref on the last reference, calling dtor will call delref when necessary anyway, so nicer to call dtor whatever I think ....
 
Has this at all been addressed in PHP 7?
http://3v4l.org/gBT4L
 
no, it hasn't ... also, I like it ...
I think there was an rfc for default ctors ...
 
cairo has a matrix object - you call setMatrix and getMatrix on a cairo pattern - I need to make sure getMatrix actually returns whatever the user sent as a matrix object, because people like to extend objects in PHP :) so I have to keep the object zval hanging around in the pattern object
 
5:42 PM
@NikiC fixed/merged/etc
requires a composer update tho
 
in 5 I would addref on the matrix object, stick the pointer in the pattern object struct, and pull it out when they asked - in the object free storage I'd delref back down one and php would handle the rest :)
 
@JoeWatkins I think its completely unexpected for a function to just be ignored like that
 
@Sjon Thanks!
 
@kelunik thanks for the bugreport ;)
 
@ElizabethMSmith another thing to add to your list of stupid internal stuff, don't try to efree in free_obj what you emalloc'd with create_object ... I just found this out today ...
 
5:45 PM
oh, I saw that in upgrading :)
I"m attempting to write up some pointers for the gophp7-ext stuff
 
oh I didn't bother with upgrading ... maybe I should read it ...
 
now that I"m actually working on porting stuff
so apparently zval* in my object struct is a no go
/me sighs
 
@JoeWatkins @ElizabethMSmith nonono write ZVAL_COPY(&obj->zval, pvzal)
 
ah, there ya go ...
 
oooh - semi-shiny
let's see if it works
oh... look... newer versions of cairo have a set_user_data feature
hmmm
maybe I can bypass this cluster completely, I'm already uping the requirements to 1.12
 
5:54 PM
jesus
840#define ZVAL_COPY(z, v)                                 \
841    do {                                                \
842        zval *_z1 = (z);                                \
843        const zval *_z2 = (v);                          \
844        zend_refcounted *_gc = Z_COUNTED_P(_z2);        \
845        uint32_t _t = Z_TYPE_INFO_P(_z2);               \
846        ZVAL_COPY_VALUE_EX(_z1, _z2, _gc, _t);          \
847        if ((_t & (IS_TYPE_REFCOUNTED << Z_TYPE_FLAGS_SHIFT)) != 0) { \
I miss when things were simple ...
 
hehe
but so fast!
 
@JoeWatkins it's optimized to make sure the fetch on the first zval word is reused
 
there is so much to learn ... I feel like a newbie ... most of the ext's I've written off the back of years of experience I don't seem to have anymore ...
 
@Ocramius Aaaand it didn't fix my actual issue :(
 
I'm going to retire to a darkened room, and rock back and forth ... lata ...
 
6:00 PM
You're all weird :P
 
you wrote it ...
 
Don't blame it on me tho :P
 
I do, completely and utterly, and I'm going to keep pinging you every time I have a problem, and I'm going to have a million more problems ... it's all your fault ...
 
6:06 PM
@NikiC you know, I kid ... simple had to go eventually ... I'm not kidding about pinging you though, you're the only person to ask for the next few months that I can get hold of quickly ... by the time we're stable I'm sure I'll know all I need too ...
it's my own fault for not starting earlier ...
 
so what's the general rule for zval pointers - you just basically can't store them at all anywhere?
 
it's not even that zend kept it a secret, it wouldn't have made any difference if I'd been told the day after work started
@ElizabethMSmith we don't use them anymore, zvals are not heap allocated anymore in general ...
 
just thinking interaction with C libraries and passing data around
like callbacks and other monstrosities :) I used to be pretty liberal about passing zval* into (void *) storage
 
well now you just make a copy of the zval because the refcount is in the underlying structure being pointed at by zval_value
 
@NikiC oh? The issue is still there? :|
I'll try it again, sec
 
6:09 PM
so that ZVAL_COPY is going to be come by best friend
 
yes, and mine
 
@Ocramius Nah, it's a different issue
I thought this was it, but clearly it isn't ^^
 
Aha. Ok, well, the current test is fixed and it was a bug btw :D
And I can blame it on others: double win
 
@JoeWatkins Well… I hope that I'm not completely inexperienced with PHP 7 codebase though^^ … (You can ask me things too)
 
user4268046
6:22 PM
What's the best way to have a map Object=>Object?
 
Use Java? Seriously though - what are you trying to do.....as the answer may vary.
 
user4268046
I'm creating a timing manager
 
user4268046
so I need to map Runnable=>nextRunTime
 
user4268046
(yes I came from Java)
 
It's one of those things that is trivial in java - not so much in PHP. Do you have a large number of timers?
 
6:26 PM
Good almost friday mornings all
 
user4268046
A good bunch, 50+
 
@bwoebi oh yeah, that's true ...
 
user4268046
And I am need to use Runnable as the key because they might cancel it before it runs
 
@TheMineBench I think you're going to be searching through an array to find an object if you want to cancel it no matter what, as you can't just reference elements of a map by an object.
If you wanted to stick to the Java pattern, you could make a hashing function in Runnable, and then hash it into the array as $thingsToRun[$runnable->getHash()] = [$runnable, $timeToRun]
Or you could just give up and just use 'unsearchable' arrays like:
function addSomethingToRun($runnable, nextRunTime) {
    if (!isset($this->thingsToRun[$nextRunTime])) {
        $thingsToRun[$nextRunTime][] = $runnable;
    }
    $this->thingsToRun[$nextRunTime][] = $runnable;
}
Yeah....you'll still need to search through by hand.....but with only 50 objects that's really not many....
 
user4268046
Herm, well the main reason for having the object as the key was so I could cancel it without looping through it, but I'm going to have to loop through anyway.
 
user4268046
6:33 PM
So I might as well just have an array(ObjectThatContainsTheRunnableAndNextTime)
 
user4268046
is that^ crazy?
 
7:04 PM
What's a good generic English word for a superior employee? Supervisor/manager/overseer/owner all sound kinda wrong or too specific.
Maybe just "superior"?
 
CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1503-01.iso do you think that's 32 bit? I think it is because that's what x86 means, but there's also the _64..
 
x86_64
64 bits
 
Much appreciated
 
x86 just means the instruction set
AFAIK it started with 16b even
/old people talk
 
7:08 PM
Hey guys! Is anyone familiar with "phpvnc"? It's a VNC client based on PHP, it connects to the remote host, streams the images and allows you to input data without Java: only canvas, but I'm trying to modify the quality of the obtained images and stuck there so I'll honestly appreciate any help with this!
 
So after spending 2 hours trying to figure out why my rpi corrupted my sd card it turns out it was a broken "stable" openelec version...
 
@NikiC @bwoebi fixed the integerint part, but didn't fix booleanbool: github.com/php/php-src/pull/1383 :P
 
@kelunik merged :-P
 
@Danack incoming (bus in 10 min)
 
7:24 PM
@Ocramius Hrm, I'm not able to reproduce my issue with a simple test case. I'll just wait until it gets fixed by accident ^^
It would be nice if typehint violations showed all the possible types, rather than picking one random one out of the list
 
@NikiC is it an OSS project?
Btw, as said, better exceptions will come ;-)
 
@Ocramius Yeah, I'm just running against github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser with patch gist.github.com/nikic/6678dbb42e3316fc477f
 
does anyone know where php academy put their scripts?
 
It choked up trying to pass a PhpParser\Node\Name\FullyQualified to a Node\Name|Expr|Node\Stmt\Class_ typehint
Where Node and Expr are imported
 
I can try that out over the booze
 
7:29 PM
this is killing my scripts:
    $('form.modal').on('submit', function(){
    var that=$(this),
        url=that.attr('action'),
        method=that.attr('method'),
        data={};
/*
    that.find('[name]').each(function(index, value){
        var
        console.log(value)
    });
*/

    return FALSE;
}
 
@TheMineBench That's so PHP. The lack of containers that use objects as keys makes some Java idioms like that just be a pain in the butt.
 
Don't we have SplObjectStorage for that?
 
that's what I use it for :)
 
7:49 PM
@PeeHaa Only for kids who have authorized your app :/
 
@SammyK My target audience is rather stupid adults instead of kids :P
 
Ha! I think the rule still applies. :)
 
:D
 
@NikiC what did you apply the patch on?
which revision, I mean?
 
@Ocramius master
 
8:02 PM
@PeeHaa I'm not sure yet, how I should authenticate bots and manage their rights. They could be normal user accounts using a personal access token, or there could be a global bot account that posts those messages with a access token bound to a specific room or anything else. Suggestions?
 
Imho bot accounts should just be "normal" users
I may want to work in several teams in the future spanning over multiple rooms. It would be nice if a bot could post messages spanning over all these rooms
Perhaps some way to differentiate between users and bots would be nice
But not really need I think as in I could totally do without :)
 
Do you need bots that can react to user messages or just "dumb" bots posting news?
 
Initially I would just use it to post news like failed builds, but I could see the usefulness of being able to tell a bot to actually start a build or something like that.
 
@NikiC all the tests pass for me ಠ_ಠ
 
@Ocramius how long does it take?
 
8:10 PM
@NikiC very short time, tbh
 
I would see that as some "easy" interface where I receive messages from chat and I will handle them myself @kelunik
 
suggesting it's not AOP-ing?
 
If it doesn't take ages then it's not running ^^
 
good
alright, at least we got there
 
You applied to patch right?
And are using the phpunit.xml.dist?
 
8:12 PM
yeap
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, bots would have to register their commands somehow and would be notified using webhooks or a streaming API.
 
it runs through the bootstrap.php too
hmm, I guess the autoloading is not correct. Probably wrong patch apply then
 
@Ocramius Yeah the change to use composer autoloading is important too
 
noooow it's slow
 
Especially with xdebug ^^
 
8:14 PM
eyup
reeeal slow now
it's a pleasure to use :P
I'll have to debug through it, I suppose
 
@kelunik For my purpose and it should be really simple. As in I don't need to have a way to register commands as long as there is a hook for when it is pinged for example. I would just parse the message myself and rest api the possible response when needed.
That way I would be the most flexible and on the chat side there doesn't have to be much done
If I need to also use messages I am not pinged in I could just listen to the socket for all messages (in specific rooms)
Makes sense?
 
Yeah, pings are fine too, right. Listening to messages is another (additional) possible way.
 
hey @ScottArciszewski
 
I was looking through $dayjob's codebase today and discovered that the company that previously wrote an insecure password generator based it on this answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/6101956/…
 
8:19 PM
@kelunik Pings would work just fine for simple bots I think. And if you need to tap into the stream you can always do that
 
I left a comment asking for a disclaimer be added
if, after 24 hours, no response is given, is it okay for me to add the disclaimer?
 
Eeeeeek chrome is borking fonts again :(
 
(more of a question for the mods than anything)
 
@PeeHaa hey.
 
8:46 PM
@ScottArciszewski I don't think so, if the Answerer did not edited his answer after 4 different people said the same, that would not change anything. Plus the vote mechanism (on both comments and answer) is there for that. The only think you can really do, and that may make the answerer react is : downvote this answer, upvote the more secure one and upvote the comments warning people about security risk.
If we can reject edit on the edit suggestion queue because of this "attempt to reply
This edit was intended to address the author of the post and makes no sense as an edit. It should have been written as a comment or an answer.", there is no reason to bypass it when you have the rep to do it
 
@NikiC I think the problem is related with the iteration stuff I'm doing (and I'm not supposed to do)
I'll work on that first, then see if the bug resolves itself. It seems like the validate method of my TypeChecker is modifying the state of the value
Heisenbug
 

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