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1:03 PM
@Tyrael It was an oversight when the RFC was created, yes
 
@NikiC you reckon i should RFC just the iteration portion of my PR, or just push it since no other code depends on it yet? :)
 
If you think it's possible to drop the remaining ones as well, even though one of them is in Derick's code, that would be nice
 
BTW a "forum" is a Roman marketplace.
 
provided it has been reviewed at least
 
@NikiC Is it an issue that it's in Dericks code?
 
1:05 PM
@Ja͢ck I don't think it needs an RFC, but probably also no point in landing it before we actually decide to use it
 
@Fabor It is?
 
@Fabor ... and?
 
@bwoebi Oh, I just assumed right away that changing a Strict warning to a Deprecation would only happen over his dead body
 
I always thought it was just "some place" where people could yell at eachother
 
@PeeHaa Yup. @FlorianMargaine Word etymology interests me and I thought I would share.
 
1:08 PM
@bwoebi But maybe that was a wrong assumption ^^
 
@Fabor I would think most europeans knew about Rome's forums :P
 
@NikiC cool, i've replied on-list to steer the conversation away from unimportant decisions ;-)
 
@FlorianMargaine Not @PeeHaa apparently. :P
 
lol
Now I am going to open a dictionary
Goddamnit @Fabor
 
phpForum? ;-)
 
1:10 PM
> The Roman Forum (Latin: Forum Romanum, Italian: Foro Romano) is a rectangular forum (plaza) surrounded by the ruins of several important ancient government buildings at the center of the city of Rome. Citizens of the ancient city referred to this space, originally a marketplace, as the Forum Magnum, or simply the Forum.
 
Etymology is awesome.
 
so what's the etymology of etymology? ;-)
 
@Ja͢ck from greek "etymos", "meaning of words"
 
SO chat users sorted by activity: chat.stackoverflow.com/users?tab=all&sort=activity
not many from the php room :P
 
Ah booooo. I'm on the next page
 
1:22 PM
That means php is hipster lang
 
@PeeHaa heh... very close
 
:-)
 
php hipster lang? o.0
it's old enough to be your father
 
@PeeHaa The last thing we need is for you to talk more! :P
 
hehehehehe <3
 
1:27 PM
> Actually, it works fine yesterday. [...] Even though I change it back, it still doesn't work anymore.
I've heard that one before!
 
@FlorianMargaine We have, y'know, jobs and stuff
 
Anyone going to try out WIndows 10 when it releases on the 27th?
 
Noooope
 
@Fabor I might on the surface
 
I'm hoping somebody else will do it for me
 
1:32 PM
.. free upgrade
 
Yeah, tempted to go from 7->10 myself on home PC.
Mostly interested in how well it works with the Xbox
 
They didn't call it Windows X? Maybe too close to Windows XP
 
a new episode of mr robot awaits me
 
Ruby noob pitfall #2 - pre-increment is not supported
Pitfall #3 - do { } while is not the Ruby way =.=
 
@Ja͢ck Also sounds a bit like "window sex"
 
1:46 PM
haha
 
<insert joke about @PeeHaa's mother here>
 
time to go out and drink some red to commemorate my last day at work .. cya!
 
@Fabor Yeh I'm going to do it on the lounge PC, probably going to give it a month or two to collect some feedback first though
 
@DaveRandom pfff so childish. grow up man!
 
My PC is crashing a lot recently. So format is due, just going to roll it in to the windows update/install anyway.
 
1:51 PM
Also note: it's getting kinda hard not to do it IRL with people you actually shouldn't do it with :P @DaveRandom
 
@Fabor Yeh good luck with that, M$ are really shitty for providing publicly accessible install media, and when you're getting a free upgrade I suspect they will be even worse
 
BTW hard just like I get from just thinking about your mother
 
Yeah, I may reinstall 7 then upgrade to 10 instead.
 
@PeeHaa "So, would you like to work on our project?" "I'm not sure, your mum is a pretty big project, she's taking up a lot of my time at the moment"
 
hehhehe pretty much very tempted at times yeah :P
 
1:54 PM
Hey guys
 
hey
 
what could be wrong, if ob_start just decides to crash without throwing a exception?
 
hey @GNi33
 
@GNi33 Not the cause, but enable error reporting and it should tell you
 
it is
 
1:55 PM
226
Q: How to get useful error messages in PHP?

CandidasaI find programming in PHP quite frustrating. Quite often I will try and run the script and just get a blank screen back. No error message, just empty screen. The cause might have been a simple syntax error (wrong bracket, missing semicolon), or a failed function call, or something else entirely. ...

 
What SAPI @GNi33?
 
I'm not getting any errors, and I don't have access to the apache logs unfortunately
 
Also, define "crash"
 
remote server, with a weird php version.
crash -> blank page
 
1:56 PM
5.5.26-1~dotdeb+7.4
 
@GNi33 Yeah that is totally error reporting disabled
 
@GNi33 not weird, it's fine
 
@PeeHaa Well, segfault in apache module SAPI can cause that
 
let me check
 
afaik ob_start() should never cause a fatal anyway, it warns when it can't start the session for some reason
 
1:58 PM
@DaveRandom Yes. But my money is just a regular WSOD
 
error_reporting enabled, I get absolutely nothing
 
@DaveRandom if the requests keep being handled, nope
 
posted on July 16, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by MonsieurLeMarquis */

 
@GNi33 You need display_errors=1 as well
 
2:11 PM
Good morning
New Face On FacesOfTheElephpant!!! http://bit.ly/1I5EAbD http://t.co/OLa1DYBmNM
6
a wild @NikiC appears!
 
We're one step closer to discovering the source of his phpower!
 
@Fabor It's vodka
 
heh
 
Design fail of the day. Click on the names of any of these Zendcon sessions. The header and logo, which are floating above the elements, cover up the title and first 2 sentences. You have to scroll up to see the whole thing
 
2:25 PM
@Machavity I notice that on a lot of sites lately, including php.net
 
@ircmaxell what's this "FacesOfTheElephpant"? An association?
 
@NikiC totally doesn't matter. ^^ … just remove E_STRICT handler from php_error_cb ^^
 
@FlorianMargaine just something I'm doing for fun. Taking pictures of community members having fun and taking it easy.
 
@ircmaxell oh, ok :)
 
@ircmaxell any reason why there's no concrete name attached to your faces?
 
2:29 PM
@bwoebi yes, because I don't want it to be about who.
 
@ircmaxell but here you named him ;-)
 
here
 
but is guess somebody would anyway have pointed it out here^^
 
How does one create a sane API for handling the application of a rule tree to an immutable object, wherein each rule once applied may mutate the object (being immutable, it'd need to be cloned with new state)
 
"Taking pictures of community members having fun and taking it easy." and that is why I'll never be in it :P
 
2:33 PM
One idea I had was each rule returns a "match" object, with a boolean flag of success, and a collection of "mutator" callbacks that are applied when the tree has run successfully.
 
has no off switch
 
Google is hiring an SEO so they can rank better in Google
 
Well they've lost some rank. I Googled for search engine and got Wikipedia and DuckDuckGo. How am I supposed to find a search engine with all that mess?
 
Anonymous
.. xD
 
2:44 PM
BTW where has Andrea gone?
 
user895378
morning
 
vacation, maybe ?
 
In .htacess I cant seem to understand how spaces are effecting my apache?
`RewriteRule ^project=([a-zA-Z0-9_-]+)$ project?title=$1`
My link is `example.com/project=The Test Project`.
 
Mornwrey
It'd be a long vacation, I have seen Andrea in weeks. I mean assuming no alias being used.
 
I've also tried Regex [a-zA-Z 0-9_-] (the white space)
 
2:51 PM
@Rahul my advice would be to stop messing with apache and perform the routing on the PHP end of things
 
@tereško I'm just wanting to use Apache. But thanks for suggesting.
 
@tereško no, she stepped off php dev for a while. She still comes once a week or something
 
@Rahul I suggest you take @tereško's suggestion.
 
@Rahul keep in mind that Apache is not the only webserver and welding your code to it might come back to haunt you
 
How do you even remove a .php extension with PHP?
 
2:54 PM
@Fabor it sometimes takes months for people to see the light
 
user895378
@Fabor E_SUMMER ... happens to a lot of people, I think.
 
@Rahul you are looking at all this wrong
 
@Rahul you need to look at it from a new angle
 
Got it
 
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ index.php?url=$1 [L]
 
2:57 PM
@rdlowrey Most of us are contracted to ignore E_SUMMER though :(
 
user895378
oh, right. Carry on then :)
 
I have no idea what that new angle doge is doing btw.
 
Gonna get _GET to replace whitespace with +'s as it can read those? That's a better option??? @tereško
@tereško Actually this works fine, thanks again!
 
3:15 PM
@Fabor Probably your mum
 
Anonymous
html email signatures... such a shit task.
 
Scott, you get any real security SO queries? :P
 
no :(
I've just banned the phrase "humble request we are not spammers" from my contact form
:P
 
3:41 PM
@ScottArciszewski You should probably ban "devaloper" as well
 
is that a common one from SEO spammers? :P
 
Jun 17 at 12:38, by Jimbo
DEVALOP ALL TEH TINGZ
 
Wadapress too
Jun 25 '14 at 16:10, by Pratik Joshi
Hi all I want to join WADAPRESS CMS company,anyone has information how to get there and how to interview?
 
lolwut
 
Yeah, hard to join a company if you can't spell the name of it correctly. Wordpress.
 
Anonymous
3:45 PM
it seems people have forgotten how to ask questions.
 
@Fabor Great, now I have to clean the vomit off my desk again
 
lol
 
@Jay tables all the things!
@Jay also tinypng.com
(for any embedded images)
Really matters with email, for a long time every email we sent from this business was ~100k before there was even any content because the guy who did the images in the first place created huuuuuge jpegs
 
user895378
@samaYo did people ever know?
 
Oh and also, CSS borders and margins (even trivial ones) often don't work properly in Outlook and you end up having to use <br> and font-size
Oh yeh, and sometimes divs are not blocks in Outlook for no apparent reason
And you cannot change the color: of an <a>
(as you may be able to tell, I had to do this recently)
 
3:56 PM
Sounds beneath you. No mother jokes.
Gotta append that to the stuff that's too easy with you :P. No mother jokes.
 
Anonymous
Yeah i'm starting to get that.. I did the full HTML code viewing it in browser thinking this is great, and then I sent it in an email to myself... I think a bit of poo came out... Currently trying to re-code it -.- On a related/un-related note ... don't suppose you know why the text isn't vertical aligning? jsfiddle.net/ppoadgw0/1
 
@Jay My advice is find an email template that already works and go from there.
 
@Jay My simple advice for designing HTML email: Pretend it is 2001.
 
I actually had quite a bit of luck with the photoshop export to html for emails :p
 
@rdlowrey Am I being overdramatic re your proposed 1.1 feature?
 
user895378
4:01 PM
@Jimbo don't know. Haven't looked at the thread since posting the issue
 
Anonymous
@Fabor I never thought of that actually, that could work and save me a lot time.
 
Anonymous
@Trowski Back when I was 5... Are you telling me to smash the place up and start crying? ;)
 
@PeeHaa indeed this is not just a forum, it's a special place. When I'm looking for an answer I never used anything else than SE, that's because I'm able to find exactly what I need at first sight. I love this no-forum :)
 
@Jay That's a definite possibility after trying to write HTML email. Especially if you want it to look nice in Outlook.
 
Anonymous
4:07 PM
lol
 
Anonymous
@rdlowrey I guess they did, before ebonics and instant messaging ..
 
Anonymous
just spent 20 minutes trying to findout what swirl means
 
@Fabor I had to optimise it, it was killing my exchange server, I was accumulating GBs of mail store per day just because of signatures (reduced it to <10K, which cut the data-per-day to about 1/10 :-S)
I did it at the same time as implementing dynamic signatures generated from AD, which was a big win for the designer as he was spending a lot of time on that shit
 
@Jimbo Link?
Good morning, room.
 
4:12 PM
mornin' link
@rdlowrey So, completely ignore my problems with it :P But, your proposition: Sort of like composer's autoload dump?
 
user895378
@Jimbo yeah, basically like that. Just an optimized php file so you can take advantage of opcode caching.
 
So the caching idea is cool, but still... are we really going to standardise a config file format just for auryn?
 
user895378
@Jimbo I don't think "standardize" makes any sense. Every DI thing has its own format. There won't be anything standard about it.
 
user895378
I do think the optimized cache dumping thing has value either way, though.
 
PSR-8: container config file format
 
user895378
4:22 PM
^ would be completely ignored by me
 
user895378
@Jimbo but the text file thing may not have any real value if we have cache dump functionality. Just setup your injector using the existing API and call Injector::dump($filePath) like the example says.
 
Places a bet on how long it is before someone requests a per-session scope for that serialization
 
user895378
Jeebus H.
 
Anyone else having problems with PhpStorm 9 in OSX 10.10.5 Beta?
I'm seeing the following in every PHP file that I open
 
fyi @rdlowrey docs.oracle.com/javaee/6/tutorial/doc/gjbbk.html - yet another area where not copying Java is probably the right choice.
 
user895378
4:28 PM
@Danack gross
 
user895378
@Oskar how did you install php in that environment?
 
There is a huge problem with PSR-8...
 
user895378
@Orangepill that it exists?
 
it assumes that because something is huggable that it should be able to perform a hug...
A tree is huggable but should not implement a hug method
 
@rdlowrey cache dumping is fine.
 
4:39 PM
 
PHPStorm is great on OS X :-) Haven't gone to 9 yet though, too new
They call it bleeding edge for a reason
 
4:54 PM
Is there already a bug report I missed on the fact that php -r "assert((function() { return false;;})()); crashes?
 
@Rangad it's already fixed
or wait ... I think there's a PR to fix it, but not yet merged
If so, I'll do it later
 
blah
 
Was not fixed on master yesterday (the built I just ran into this).
nvm, this is the pr? github.com/php/php-src/pull/1401
 
yes
 
thanks.
 
5:04 PM
<?php

$a = 1;

if ($a > 1) {
	$b = 2;
} else {
	$b = 3;
}

$c = 1;
if ($b === 3) {
	$a = 2;
} else {
	$c = 4;
}

echo $a;
echo $b;
echo $c;
$ bin/tuli print-vars code.php --image="test-vars.png"
$ bin/tuli print-cfg code.php --image="test-cfg.png"
the first is the CFG, as an image
the second is a map of variable flow, which vars depend on which vars (through which operation)
 
5:23 PM
@Simone :)
 
Close enough rite?
 
@rdlowrey Just the built-in
 
ummm Hello , Noob Question What IDE Can i use for writing PHP ? i never write full code in php so i only used Notepad ++ for highlight till now lol
 
Nothing wrong with a text editor imo
 
5:27 PM
@Pedram phpstorm is pretty good.....though I'd recommend staying with 8 for the time being, unless 9 is fast for you (it isn't currently for everyone).
 
@ircmaxell that............................................................................‌​......................... IS AWESOME!
 
@PeeHaa but writing with a IDE like Visual Studio is easier :P
 
I don't agree with that sentiment
 
@Danack Tnx i look it up right now :D
 
@PeeHaa FrontPage ;-) oh.. php.. dreamWeaver or eclipse
 
5:28 PM
The hard part about writing code is not the actual typing of said code
 
@pedram look at stackoverflow.com/tags/php/info in the IDE section
 
oh its from Jetbeans ! i got 1 year of free service from them with my Student Email address :P
@Orangepill k i will check that too :D Tnx :D
@Jean-philippeEmond didn't Dreamwaver died ? i had it like 7 year ago :P didn't use for past 4-5 year
 
@Pedram: "sorry bad name ^^" no Adobe will never die a product if he can make some money.. but he try to make all in cloud with recursive billing. When i'm learning about PHP and html, i used it.. Now.. very big for me.. I don't need drag/drop features and auto-complete code so I use notepad++. Have more space for Games of Trones ;-)
 
@Jean-philippeEmond haha :D yeh i understand :D Notepad ++ is good , but since i am new to php i rather a software that tell me the methods and such with details when i use them , at least for now :P
 
@Pedram In that case use phpstorm
 
5:38 PM
@ircmaxell I realize this may not be appropriate, but that gist just caused me to youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
 
@PeeHaa k Tnx :D started downloading it now :D
 
I use Eclipse in java. I dream a software who autocomplet my own methods like java when you "include"/"required" etc. with javaDoc. Features Exists on PHP? I know we have a PHPDocs where its the same as javaDoc but no (that I know) implement in software
I think C# does too
when you initiate an objet, you can see the methods/custom methods list when you type "." if the objet is into the files or includes
 
@Jean-philippeEmond phpstorm is pretty close if all sources are included in your project (and you have annotations and/or typehints). Not sure about netbeans haven't it used in a while
 
@rangad: nice! I will check that. I'll try into the "wordpress" site. plugin and all others stuff. Maybe I'll change my notepad for that ;-P
 
phpstorm is free for 30 days, enough time to try it out on some real projects.
 
5:48 PM
Greetings
 
Also there is netbeans, no idea how it evolved since I last touched it, but it's free and should be quite solid, worth a try.
 
@Rangad, that I see its a paid version. 99$ for 1 year is expansive but I send a question about student pricing
 
6:00 PM
My fiance has informed me that I am to surprise her with an Apple Watch. I love how she makes life easy for me.
 
I read finance
Same thing I guess
 
^^
 
@DanLugg Ugh. She'll be sticking it in a drawer in a few weeks, supposedly.
It's great she was straightforward with you, though.
I know several people who have Apple Watches and they all dislike them.
 
posted on July 16, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by Illiax */

 
6:11 PM
@Jean-philippeEmond I Registered using my University Email Address and i got all their Products for free :P ( 1 year Support ) ( IntelliJ IDEA + phpstroms + Resharper + Bunch of other Stuff , only used ReSharper so far tho :P but downloaded PhpStroms now :P )
 
@Pedram, why he said 30 trial... how you get it?
automatically unlock? My University is not in USA. So, its not a edu extension
 
@Jean-philippeEmond 30 day trial is free for all lol no related to student or anything ,
To be honest , they did not support my University at all , i sent them few email and such , then then accept it
my university is .ac.ir
 
ok ok
I take the Trial and ask after?
 
yeh do that , i used trial for 4 day before they answered and i got my license
 
good! thanks!
 
6:16 PM
@Jean-philippeEmond jetbrains.com/student here tell u all the products they give free :D
 
@Pedram awesome
 
6:32 PM
@DanLugg, the subject is maybe die, but... buy a watch 22 000$ and die less than 24h... its really bad.. thats my opinion
 
Hi. Can someone help me figure out why my wincache extension is not working? I am running php 5.6.11 and I downloaded wincache-1.3.7.4-5.6-nts-vc11-x86.exe The .dll is in the ext folder and php.ini line is added
 
Does it show up in phpinfo()? What errors do you get? Did you edit the correct php.ini?
 
That moment when you do not recognize your own code.
 
user1804599
6:52 PM
PHP
 
user1804599
hi @PeeHaa how's it going
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, I am edited the correct php.ini. wincache is not showing in phpinfo
 
@rightfold Yo. All is well now that it is almost friday
You?
 
user1804599
yes.
 
user1804599
omg friday :o
 
6:57 PM
@Azar_Javed Did you restart your webserver?
 
user1804599
And the best of this Friday is dat de muizen op tafel dansen because boss is gone.
 
:D
 
user1804599
I want to write a program. I'm bored.
 
7:14 PM
Write a chatbot in php for SO
Do it!
 
user1804599
no :(
 
Hello :)
 
user1804599
Hello, Walter!
 
@WalterWhite yo
@rightfold booooo
 
user1804599
I don't implement undocumented protocols.
 
7:17 PM
Yeah that's probably a smart move
 
guys I have two classes boo() and foo() and in foo() some methods
and my question is how can I use in boo class something like this
foo:insert('query') ?
 
@PeeHaa Better have a chat with a nice API. Unfortunately, I can't work on it right now...
 
user1804599
@WalterWhite did you consult the PHP documentation on classes?
 
user1804599
Class names can't contain parentheses and foo:insert('query') on its own isn't a valid PHP expression, so your question is as vague as an old picture of Pluto.
 
@kelunik Priorities man! :)
 
7:29 PM
I'm begginer in oop
 
user1804599
@PeeHaa Besides, I'd do it in Haskell instead. :p
 
but I was work in prestashop
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, unfortunately. ;-)
 
@PeeHaa I have. Restarted it multiple times actually
 
Once should be enough :)
 
7:30 PM
and in presta I can call something like this inside class Db::getInstance()->execute('query);
 
user1804599
eww a singleton that manages mutable state
 
Is there any realworld use case that this character(U+202E) enables? 3v4l.org/nmjYY
 
@PeeHaa Heh. Still not working though, any suggestions?
 
@Rangad You mean all RTL languages?
wow so many edits. much typo
 
Yeah, but isn't this meant to declare rtl?
And where do I need to start RTL midstring?
 
7:36 PM
Yeah. Dunno. :)
 
Hi..
why did this executed even on error
 
quick architecture question... is it okay to pass an ioc container into a request dispatcher? I'm having trouble noodling a way around not giving the container to the dispatcher.
 
there is any script on stackoverflow ? I want to create a website like stack.
7
 
user1804599
@Orangepill why does the IoC container not create the dispatcher?
 
there is any stack of scriptoverflow ? I want to create a website like script.
 
7:45 PM
@rightfold it can and should ... but how does the dispatcher then create the controller?
 
@DanLugg what ? that was my question :-)
 
user1804599
@Orangepill the IoC container hands the dispatcher a bunch of controller factories.
 
I want to make the next github but for mercurial. Is there any script?
merchub (tm)
 
@Orangepill It is somewhat smelly I think, but it is what I do
 
user1804599
@rlemon yes go to github.com, right click and "view source"
 
user1804599
7:47 PM
then change "git" with "hg" everywhere
 
:P
 
@rlemon You are to slow hglabhq.com
 
user1804599
 
no octocat
not good enough
 
@Sajad I doubt that they would release their entire platform. But some components are on their github account (mostly infrastructure related, though)
 
7:49 PM
@peehaa From my perspective it's equivelent to the code here github.com/rdlowrey/auryn#app-bootstrapping ... just object oriented.
 
Yeah that's how I approached it
 
@Rangad alright, thanks
 
user1804599
@Orangepill Why object-oriented?
 
Why not?
 
user1804599
Adding object orientation just for the sake of it is stupid.
 
user1804599
Don't do something unless you can demonstrate its benefits clearly.
 
there is like ten open source clones of SO (example: osqa.net)
none are as good
 
Maybe I want to be able to refactor how things are dispatched
 
user1804599
@rlemon But do they all have shitloads of help vampires? That's the most important feature.
 
@rightfold they are created by the vamps
 
7:54 PM
lol
 
then they scrape content from SO, change the names and dates
and have 10000 fake accounts posting questions and answers
 
in bad english
 
user1804599
:D
 
@rlemon I just love searching something on the webs and finding the answer on some scammy site only to find out the the thing reminds you of an answer you wrote a year ago
 
How can I check if my php is Non-Thread Safe?
 
user1804599
7:59 PM
intertubes
 

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