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Abe
2:01 PM
@Andrea :D
 
2:13 PM
Yes, we all know PHP "7" has been released... I'll wait for the official tweet ;) #php #phpQuote7Unquote
 
If it is released today, then I'll be wearing my composer require php:^7.0.0 shirt at phpnw tonight, but it regularly gets tagged a day or two before the actual release announcement
I might even bring my php7 elephpant with me
 
I'm super annoyed that I don't have one ....
 
@JoeWatkins Ah, but how many elephpants do you have
 
Acquiring one for myself required a subtle blend of bribery, blackmail and threats of extreme violence
 
2:23 PM
I'm okay with extreme violence, who do I need to threaten ?
 
@JoeWatkins that may be being taken care of, if I pulled strings correctly
 
I got 5, that colleagues have attached to the various whiteboards around the room with magnets
Don't mess with @JoeWatkins and his pink shoes
 
@ircmaxell <3 thnx :)
 
8 at last count: Red, Orange, Blue, Yellow, Purple, Pink, Black and php7 teal
 
Nice, I need PHP7 teal and Red
and where's that bloody mammoth?
 
2:25 PM
oh not sure, did it happen ?
 
I could use a Zend Red (mine's a Laravel one) and the ZF Green (if I can ever manage to track one down)
 
Yeah, mammoth went through
 
@JoeWatkins I poked Zend for profiting off of "7" without thanking the contributors. I think it's pathetic the way they've done that.
 
I'm still waiting for somebody at Roave to follow up on the suggestions for a Zombie php6 elephpant
 
2:26 PM
that'd be my first elephpant
hehe
 
@ircmaxell how are we supposed to know if it's been taken care of or not?
 
And for @SaraMG to do the HHVM pHackyderm in bulk
 
@ircmaxell so true
 
@salathe I don't know. I'm waiting for confirmation from certain people there...
 
it's kinda their business though, to profit from PHP I mean ... people are grateful, or dmitry is ... that's the only zend-ite I really care about ... the only one that does any real work ...
 
2:29 PM
@Jimbo still unfixed bugs, ugh
also, it might be re-tagged
 
Exactly
I saw all the vultures on twitter like "I'm a celebrity, I get to announce PHP 7!!!!!ZZZZ"
 
@Jimbo like that J7mbo guy
 
He should totally retag it RC9. People will flip out
 
@salathe Yeah, what a bell-end. Also, note how he said he'd wait for official ;D
 
I told devs I work with it's been tagged ... if you don't follow internals, or hang around in here or on reddit, you don't know what's going on ... progress is nice for the rest of the world ...
 
2:30 PM
@JoeWatkins yes, but you can do that gracefully (by realizing you're a part of a big community) or not (by not even acknowledging that fact)
 
It's okay, the hype will wind down in an hour or two, then we can wait until Thursday for it being officially announced.
 
yup :-)
 
Hmm, I was talking about that wooly mammoth, nice timing - just got an update email through
> So, it is kind of looking like they will be in your hands by February or March 2016.
 
@ircmaxell dmitry does realize that ...
 
2:32 PM
> I’m the author and leader of PHPNG. And yes, I’m one of the main PHP 7 developers. But I can’t say that me or anybody else is the head of the whole PHP development. Technically, all the PHP community members are equal, and the majority of the questions is solved by voting, where each member has a single vote.

But, if to be honest, it’s worth mentioning that real code contributors are rare at all times. I would like to notice special contributions to PHP 7 made by Nikita Popov, Xinchen Hui, Andrea Faulds, Anatol Belski, Levi Morison, Joe Watkins, Bob Weinand… As you see, I’m not alone her
very reasonable, I think ...
 
February/March is a long time for a Mammophp migration
 
@JoeWatkins Yay, you got in on there :D
And Andrea, nice
 
he couldn't go on forever with a list of names, but the recognition that he/zend isn't everything is there I think ...
I don't think much of management at zend, but have a lot of time for dmitry, he's nearly always reasonable, and nearly always right ... the polar opposite of management ...
 
:D
 
Abe
gotta pretend to be working today :(
 
2:40 PM
@Jimbo because I asked via Twitter
 
@Gordon Danke danke
 
@TrueNorthPHP is there any updates on the wooly mammoths shipping yet? last update was end of october. thanks.
@Jimbo bitte schön
feb/mar 2016 is a bit of a disappointment … but better late than never
 
That's the name of my talk!
 
@Andrea A bit of disappointment?
 
@Machavity I was just about to ask ;)
 
2:44 PM
@Machavity no, "Better late than never" ;)
Now I want to title my next talk "a bit of a disappointment". What should it be about? The WordPress codebase?
 
Oh no she didn't...
 
@Andrea That would be redundant
 
I've just invented a new game: LAN switch hot-swap roulette. Basically, while swapping a LAN switch you take it in turns to swap a port and the last person to get a complaint from a user wins.
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@Jimbo :D
 
^ /cc @DaveRandom
@Andrea Any idea when we'll get those videos yet? Knew it'd be months...
I'm totally looking forward to cringing at my attempts at humour
 
2:49 PM
@Jimbo wondering the same :/
 
@Jimbo what videos?
 
I'm guessing it's just one person doing it and they don't get much time each day to work on it
@Gordon talk videos for PHPNW15 which me and Jimbo spoke at
 
@DaveRandom a particularly slow Tuesday, is it ?
 
@Andrea ah
 
@DaveRandom Reminds me of vintage Bastard operator from hell
 
2:50 PM
I'm hoping that they didn't entirely cut out the bit of me opening up PowerPoint 97 on Windows NT 4
 
Has something taken the place of github.com/sebastianbergmann/phpdcd as it's unmaintained?
@SebastianBergmann ^^
 
 
@Dan - well it was rather problematic anyway
 
Oh? I'm looking for unused methods, no dynamic.
And no PHPStorm
I'd rather not one-by-one in NetBeans
 
@DanLugg a simple grep should suffice then, shouldn't it?
 
@Gordon No, I don't know what methods are unused.
 
@DanLugg grep | wc ?
 
lol, I was hoping for a tad more analysis.
But yea, I suppose that'd work.
If I can't get PHPCS to work /cc @SuperNoob
 
@JoeWatkins yes, he does.
@JoeWatkins totally agree
 
3:23 PM
Morning11
hard days of work lately
 
yo @RonniSkansing
 
yo Joe, did you find a new house or something.. think I read something like that a few days ago
 
I did yeah
 
oh =) so moving or just flirting abit with a new house?
 
gotta move, this place is being sold ... the old boy who we initially rented it off was in a retirement home, he died, and his daughter became executor of his estate about 6 months ago - we were notified of that, plus neighbours told us the week it happened, they were his friends ... so we knew a while ago she would probably sell up ...
a place sold in the street not long ago, nearly quarter of a million it went for ... this is her inheritance and she probably has outstanding bills from her fathers palliative care ...
we are super prepared this time ...
 
3:30 PM
Am glad to hear you're not in a bind on it
 
if all goes to plan, I'll have the keys for new place 6 weeks before I need to hand back the keys for this one ...
 
user3119231
Hey, so I'm working on a simple translator and I don't know where to continue.
 
user3119231
function tl(){
	$string = "Welcome back"; //default language
	if (($handle = fopen("language.csv", "r")) !== false){
		while (($data = fgetcsv($handle, 1000, ";")) !== false){
			print_r($data);
		}
		fclose($handle);
	}
}
 
user3119231
This is the translation (imported) ->
 
user3119231
Array ( [0] => english [1] => german ) Array ( [0] => Welcome back [1] => Willkommen zur�ck ) Array ( [0] => Username [1] => Benutzer ) Array ( [0] => Password [1] => Passwort ) Array ( [0] => Login [1] => Login ) Array ( [0] => Do you need support? [1] => Brauche Sie Hilfe? )
 
user3119231
3:32 PM
So I want to detect welcome back and automatically give out "Willkommen zurück" instead of this..
 
user3119231
Is there a function to make a fusion of the arrays or something?
 
@JoeWatkins cool =] I am not sure to say congrats... but fuck it, congrats man \o/ (=
@Maurize that seems like a encoding issue
 
@RonniSkansing new house has a river in back garden, did I mention that ?? worth a congrats I think :D
 
user3119231
Encoding isn't the point :D
 
@JoeWatkins wow.. I am moving in Feb.. twice the space
 
3:34 PM
ini files are pretty standard, or maybe yaml files might be more modern ..
@RonniSkansing excellent, we're going to do it week before xmas ...
no kids at school and misses has week off, starts work again on xmas day ... no other time to do it really, just hope net is connected quickly ...
 
awesome
 
for the first time ever, I'm looking forward to it ...
 
@RonniSkansing twice the cleaning, the furniture, the rent …
 
@Gordon yay
..
 
I only know about the queens money, my new place is only £50 extra a month rent, and about £100 a year in tax (a tax that all surviving adults with a job have to pay, for confusing reasons) ...
 
3:38 PM
@Abe I'm not sure what the "typedef" part is here?
 
user3119231
Encoding fixed. So how can I get the language specific in an array like english(hey, hello, ...) =
 
Abe
@LeviMorrison wasn't unsure about the syntax, was saying that we could have generic unions as well
 
(some of back garden, and view)
 
Abe
would be: type Stuff<generics declaration> = A | B | C<...>;
 
I don't know.
 
3:48 PM
I want to pass variables from a view to a controller in ZF2, using post, and based on which link is clicked in the view. What is the recommended way of doing so?
 
I think that would probably work.
type Iterable<Key,Value> = array<Key,Value> | Iterator<Key,Value>;
(or something)
 
Abe
so far i haven't noticed problems with them... we'll see
 
@Programmer you don't "pass things" to a controller :P
you do HTTP requests. Create a form ;-)
 
Hmm, sorry my terminology is poor. So I would create the form in the controller and use this form in the view?
 
@DanLugg PhpStorm
 
4:11 PM
@Gordon it's actually much better at my new place. Old place was small and packed and cleaning was hell. At new place we got rid of many furnitures, it has much more space and is much easier to clean.
 
Hey guys, any particular reason you've deleted stackoverflow.com/q/2119083/871050?
 
@Programmer that's the typical approach, yes
 
@JoeWatkins Parenting, you're doing it right.
 
@Ocramius Okay that makes sense. I've had to learn this whole framework and PHP to do a project for work. I've found some of your other materials helpful as well. So thanks a lot!
 
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A: Please undelete this highly-upvoted PHP question

ServyThe top answer is Not An Answer and is nothing more than a few links to external resources. The second highest answer is an answer that is only explaining why the question can't be answered ( <3 the irony). The rest are mostly just more link only answer posts. This question isn't actually addi...

 
4:22 PM
@ircmaxell Yeah, I read the question & answers, I just saw a few familiar names on the deletion list and thought I'd ask
 
Not to mention that with code sample like $result= mysql_query('SELECT * FROM items WHERE category='.m($_POST['category'])); it's very out of date now.... wonder how many of the links are equally outdated, or no longer exist?
 
@MadaraUchiha Is "crap" a good reason? :P
 
@PeeHaa LOL, yes happens way too often.
 
Imo those are the same people that think that the blue E === internet
 
@MadaraUchiha could undelete and lock for historical purposes if any of the links are still valid
 
4:29 PM
@PeeHaa Actually, Google = internet
 
@Gordon The links appear to be crap themselves
 
You should start off your browsing session by searching google.com using Google.
 
I'm not sure if it's worth undeleting it.
 
Or that Facebook === Internet
 
4:31 PM
@MadaraUchiha it probably doesnt hurt either. though 12k views in 5 years aint that much
 
@Machavity LOL ... I fell for it :D
@MadaraUchiha Don't think so. Not really community wiki-worthy stuff in there. Just a bunch of (outdated) links.
 
@Gordon honestly, I think it does hurt. Look at the meta thread, the only person advocating for undeleting it is the original requester. Every other mod and non-mod on the thread is saying "keep it deleted, it doesn't add value"
 
There's 5 votes to undelete... sigh
 
@ircmaxell fair enough, but the votes on the Q&A suggest it was useful when it still existed
with those old threads its always kinda problematic because we tolerated them back then
 
Though what proportion of those votes date to when it was first posted?
 
4:35 PM
I agree it shouldnt exist, though back then it was okay for it to exist. and thats why I am suggesting locking for historical purposes instead.
but its Madara's call now
 
@NikiC That is actually true
 
according to the image, there are like 10 votes for deletion? still a nice buffer I'd say. Or is that because it's been reopened once, therefore needing five other votes?
 
@Machavity That's meta for you. Doesn't matter if it's crap. meta-ers gonna help him out!
Or at least some meta-ers which is going to be enough. You add enough people to the pool and it will be opened again
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier required delvs depend on the number of upvotes iirc
 
4:38 PM
@PeeHaa and then there will be another ten closing it again … locking would prevent that
 
@Gordon Just mod delete the thing and be done with it
 
@Gordon uhhhh. you know better than most that votes and usefulness or correctness are rarely related
 
Well not you now anymore :P
@Gordon Especially security stuff like this is horrid to lock
Not only is it crap, it will be crap in the future
 
@ircmaxell true, though with 250 votes I'd assume not everyone who voted is a doofus
 
I don't know about that
 
4:42 PM
blind leading the blind
 
anyways, time to go home now.
 
There's lots and lots of old "vote bait" threads out there
 
laters
 
Dang it, already upvoted that one
 
4:46 PM
lol
 
Wow, that does have a lot of votes!
 
5:03 PM
posted on December 01, 2015 by nlecointre

/* by zefigue */

 
Morning.
 
mornin
 
o/
 
@JoeWatkins emm ... you live in the middle of nowhere :)
 
@tereško or he could be at the edge of his big city
the last house
 
5:15 PM
maybe .. I am not too familiar with rural england
 
It's the UK. You're not THAT far away from a major city anywhere you go
 
in latvia at the edge of the city there is usually a forest
 
@Machavity He's on the Isle of Wight. Reaching civiliazation requires a ferry trip, and then some driving.
 
so .. only 4G? No optic?
 
5:19 PM
At 1 mile off the main island I'd be surprised if they didn't have fiber. He's not on 4G tho. Said internet had to be installed at his new house
@Danack Interesting
 
got fibre too, not super impressive speed, but good enough ... 30mbps ...
it's that house with the diamond shape near the roof ...
just backs onto greenbelt/marshland ...
 
Only people lucky enough to have fiber in the states can get over 100mbps
Most people are lucky to get 10
 
@JoeWatkins "Corpse End" ?
 
@JoeWatkins For a second, i thought it said "Corpse End"
 
5:32 PM
hehe, copse
 
ok, that's badass
 
why does one have fiber with 30 mbps…
 
@Machavity Most people don't need more than 100MBps anyway.
 
location is beautiful...
 
@bwoebi I have 5MBps on fiber.
 
5:33 PM
I have fiber but only am able to get 30 mbps.
 
It's free, so hey! why not?
 
@LeviMorrison I'd prefer to be allowed some spikes…
 
the maximum available on this network is 80mbps, and I guess only central city locations get that and not very many of them ...
 
But at least I know when my ISP is ready to offer more, the cable will be ready for it.
 
@LeviMorrison If Google services the area you can get 1000mbps. AT&T is starting to offer their own but if Google isn't around then they subsidize it by selling your browsing history to advertisers
 
5:34 PM
@Machavity I have Google Fiber, yes :D
 
@LeviMorrison I hate you :P
 
I doubt I would notice much difference between 100 and 1000 except when downloading large files.
 
@LeviMorrison The problem isn't 10MBps or 100MBps
The problem is connection quality, packet loss, latency, packet routing
 
For free I can get 5 MBps which is good enough for us. I just need to make sure to download large repositories somewhere else :D
 
You can have 10000MBps bandwidth but load websites super slow because of a shitty connection.
 
5:35 PM
@MadaraUchiha This. My LTE phone can get 50 mbps, but the latency ruins the connection for anything like gaming.
 
@MadaraUchiha Sure – fiber is generally more stable.
I was just pointing out that most residential uses of Internet would be hard pushed to go over 100 mbps.
 
DSL and Cable tend to share with everyone around you. Fiber seems less likely to do that
 
@Machavity Really? From what I've seen fiber is no different in that regard from DSL and cable.
Just that fiber lines can carry so much more data that you're not noticing your neighbors usage.
 
@Trowski Depends on the connection. I'm on our symmetrical 20mb fiber here but we tend to be far less spiky than my home cable. But cable nodes work differently as well
there's also no "cheap" fiber to compare it to
 
@PeeHaa (or anyone else) what do you have max_execution_time actually set to on your boxes?
 
@Danack Uhhhh. Dunno. Checking
Most are the default 30 and one is 15 minutes :P
 
...okay
ta.
Also, I smell something needs refactoring.
 
I think the 15 one has something to do with processing something without pushing it to some queue for a project where I was lazy stupid
Might as well just set it to 0 I guess :P
lol I need to use some API's for a new project. /me opens the developer page: all resources blocked by adblocker :P
Good guy adblocker
Or ghostery. Whatever it is it works
 
6:59 PM
or maybe you just need to register to read the documentation, because harvesting email addresses is definitely more important than making it easy for people to read the documentation.
 
"sessionStorage" is something else than "$_SESSION['']" in php?
 
@Danack Well yeah they also want that. But harvesting data of people who harvest data is all fair game to me
 
sessionStorage is on the client, and it doesn't persist opening and closing the browser.
You're looking for localStorage.
 
7:23 PM
@MadaraUchiha stackoverflow.com/q/17064861/508666 see revision. Post vandalizer
You tired yet of me pinging you? :P
lol I just realized my flag doesn't make sense at all:
> I think OP wants to be removed from the herd.
 
Did you flag the question or his answer? The answer also needs nuking stackoverflow.com/a/34028312/2370483
 
@PeeHaa they can use the "delete me" option in the contact us form like all other users requesting deletions
 
@Machavity The question. But also the answer because that first flag was just stupid :|
 
Anonymous
dude has got some cojones
 
@MadaraUchiha Could you clear my flag. The next mod will have no idea WTF I was trying to say :)
 
7:28 PM
@samayo Happens about once a week it seems. Someone wants to "quit" SO because butthurt so they vandalize their own posts
 
@MadaraUchiha the contact form "info" is a lie though stackoverflow.com/help/deleting-account
> If you have voted or posted, please contact the Stack Exchange Team:
Never I just didn't read like the rest of the people on SO :P
 
@PeeHaa Sounds like a job for Meta
 
Or reading glasses for me ;)
 
Hello!!! I have somewhat odd question..
When coding and programming and designing who else think about the architecture of world and it design and how all the components work together seamlessly?? Anyone??
 
I am not a believer of an architect of the world
 
7:34 PM
Okay.. I am just wondering if every programmer wonders at the life on earth?? How all things are working together and no errors.. :)
 
@PeeHaa I think he means have you ever Baroque any software while coding
 
@whatever There are lots of errors possible features
 
@Machavity .. Baroque??
 
Architects don't eliminate issues – they reduce them to tolerable scales and percentages.
 
@PeeHaa for example??
 
7:36 PM
@whatever You do realize this is the PHP room, right? Where we do nothing but talk about how PHP is broken and how to fix it
 
okay.. I was just wondering...
 
@LeviMorrison I thought engineers did that
 
No offense
 
@whatever Baroque
 
@Machavity okay got it..
 
7:39 PM
You cannot tell me that is not an error :-)
 
That is the human error .. hhhh ... breeding different kind of dogs to produce this poor thing..hhh
@PeeHaa
 
Well isn't evolution basically lots of errors adding up?
3
 
ha!
 
No way... @PeeHaa .. errors don't manifest as php coders.. :D
 
7:46 PM
Dec 2 '14 at 11:07, by Ja͢ck
It's certainly not a PHP problem; PHP is perfect, it cannot do anything wrong.
 
:D
 
:D .. @PeeHaa.. That was cute little thing..
@Machavity and we are trying to make it intelligent..
:D
 
@JoeWatkins Why do you allow that gore?? Think of the children!
 
@PeeHaa After he gave her a good talking to, he promptly installed pthreads on her phone and crashed it
 
@PeeHaa u wot m8?
 
7:53 PM
@tereško You missed the word "not" or was it E_TOO_CRYPTIC?
 
@PeeHaa it was more along the lines of E_NOT_ENGLISH
 
Oh well. I did my best
 
your "best" is not good enough
 
Story of my life bruv
 
Does anybody know some basics of composer/laravel? I need some help here :( stackoverflow.com/questions/34028875/…
 
7:57 PM
Your question is all over the place
 
Well i tried to make it clean by pressing enter but it doesnt work XD
 
No for some reason pressing enter did not fix your question. Which is strange. I would have expected that it would have solved all the problems in the question.
/s
 

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