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7:01 PM
i.imgur.com/sZPRmlb.jpg My university's website.
more than 100 script tags.
They are very cool!
 
@tereško reading through Brandons twitter posts he seems like a douche too me aswell
 
@user3002233 pretty slow loading page.... 176 scripts....
 
@Ultimater Yeah. They are genius.
 
So the script being called is apparently ASP.NET's dynamic javascript component thingie.
 
7:06 PM
@user3002233 I like their concept though of running all the scripts through the same page so you can easily control script versions
 
emm .. no
 
@Ultimater ASP.NET script handler... they don't work well.
 
Smart people always do strange things. You know?!
 
@user3002233 s/smart//
 
7:10 PM
@DanLugg what is that, perl regexp syntax?
I miss my Perl days honestly....
 
said no one ever
 
@Ultimater It's the strange version.
 
I miss perl. Especially perl designed to screw with people. foo() unless $bar remains one of my favorite constructs
 
@Danack copies contents of zval.
 
@bwoebi thanks.
==11999== Syscall param write(buf) points to uninitialised byte(s)
==11999==    at 0x8FA24D0: __write_nocancel (in /lib64/libpthread-2.12.so)
==11999==    by 0x8C9CEF: sapi_cli_single_write (php_cli.c:277)
==11999==    by 0x8C9D52: sapi_cli_ub_write (php_cli.c:312)
==11999==    by 0x7DEDEC: php_output_write (output.c:1080)
==11999==    by 0x7DF727: php_output_end_all (output.c:1241)
==11999==    by 0x7C7B8C: php_request_shutdown (main.c:1816)
==11999==    by 0x8C82BE: do_cli (php_cli.c:1159)
==11999==    by 0x8C9B59: main (php_cli.c:1361)
Should I tell someone about that?
 
7:14 PM
Not sure
 
btw @rdlowrey bweobi answered, and the answer is 'php magic'.
You're arguing on reddit....
 
@ircmaxell Stop. Going. To. That. Place.
:)
 
I know
 
7:27 PM
/me crashes nose in keyboard
@Danack am in brizzle, maybe beers one of these days?
 
@Ocramius Yes - somewhere in the centre would be good, where abouts are you based?
 
@Danack Filton
kinda grey and shady place O_o
 
@Ocramius Yes.....that is suspiciously close to me though.
 
@Danack wut?
 
@Ocramius This is my local - how far are you from that?
 
7:32 PM
Well, I work near The Fox Den
@Danack Gloucester Rd.
 
Let me ping some other PHPers I drink with occasionally to see if it's worth going into town. Otherwise we could meetup in north bristol somewhere.
 
^^ WHO DO I LISTEN TO!?
 
hehe
 
:-P
 
@Danack well, not today
I R BARELY READ COMPUTOR SCRIN.
 
7:39 PM
@ircmaxell If possible you should see about changing your "Listen to me" to a "No, listen to me"
 
@Ocramius Wouldn't be tomorrow either - I have a bit of a cold and also can barely brain.
 
Gotcha. Yeah, I'll fly back on friday afaik
and will be back next week :P
 
Dat jetsetting!
Will you be flying in/out every weekend or staying when it's not the first week?
 
@ircmaxell well, you obviously must be talking out of your collective arses, if r/PHP downvotes you
there is no other explanation even possible
 
@Danack probably flying for the next 6 months
 
7:45 PM
wow.
that's going to be tiring.
 
Yeah, not much fun, but I still got home/pets/gf in DE ;-)
ok, I think I'll try finding food, cya :) Feel free to poke me via mail if you got anything about meeting up!
 
user895378
7:59 PM
@ircmaxell That Nicoon dude has exemplified stupid before in my experience. He once tried to explain to me why his performance "benchmark" comparing frameworks using the built-in php -S web server was totally legitimate.
 
user895378
It seems he knows just enough to be dangerous.
 
@rdlowrey The term you are looking for is junior dev :P
 
I need help from someone.
On my local system my PR works with no failed tests in Zend/tests/return_types for both debug and non-debug compilations. Both fail on Travis.
Maybe something in the clean process isn't working right so I'm not actually doing clean builds; if that's not the issue than I don't know what it is. The tests are rerunning now.
 
8:16 PM
compiler version?
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison I'll be able to play with it in a little while. And since I have a windows build recently setup I can try there too :)
 
@rdlowrey Thanks. I did a clean build and still have issues, so I appreciate the help.
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison Issues as in you see the failed tests after the clean build or as in you don't see the failures and that's weird?
 
As in they pass locally ^^
 
user895378
Interesting.
 
8:28 PM
Prediction: PSR-7 will be the most significant userland contibution to PHP in RE: ease-of-use, adoption, and interop https://mwop.net/blog/2015-01-26-psr-7-by-example.html
 
@salathe I'm going to disagree. Quietly. Not on Twitter.
 
@LeviMorrison Disagree loudly!
but not on Twitter, or here :P
 
I LOUDLY DISAGREE, SIR.
 
Noted. Continue with your day, good fellow.
 
@salathe STOP POSTING BARE SHIT HERE, SIR.
 
8:34 PM
Bare, or bear?..
 
bare.
 
user895378
PSR-7 is the worst, most unnecessary, most pointlessly overreaching PSR IMHO.
 
user895378
Consider that my official dissension.
 
It'll be fun when we bundle pecl_http2, and take a big, fat dump on PSR-7 in the process. :)
 
user895378
@salathe ikr
 
user895378
8:37 PM
PSR-7 is just trying to make rules for the sake of making rules -- it's not actually helping anyone.
 
s/PSR/FIG
 
user895378
</framework_circle_jerk>
 
I can think of a few people it's helping (to sell books, talks, etc.) :P
 
:D
 
user895378
Well, yes, there's always that cohort.
 
user895378
8:39 PM
/me goes back to code. THANKS OBAMA SALATHE.
 
@salathe don't like it so much
PSR 0-2 are much more important IMO
 
Double-wait, I thought PSR-7 was the hugeass HTTP one that was dropped because of scope issues?
Oh gods, it is.
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison Okay, I've got to be away from my desk for a couple of hours. I will play with return types but it won't be until later this evening.
 
Who resurrected it?
 
user895378
@Charles Lucifer.
 
8:45 PM
@rdlowrey PSR of the beast?
 
user895378
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
 
user895378
My name is Legion FIG for we are many.
 
So after looking through the linked article, the interface doesn't seem so bad. I just don't understand why it's a FIG issue.
 
^ that
 
@Charles Everything is a FIG issue.
 
8:49 PM
Have I understood it correctly that they just want to standardize the request abstraction in frameworks?
 
@MarcelBurkhard I think that seems to be true, but given that it came from Guzzle, I imagine that they're trying to let it define outgoing HTTP requests as well.
 
$response = $response->withStatus(418, "I'm a teapot");
 
@MarcelBurkhard yield "status" => 418;
 
looks like it, and I consider the syntax ugly
->withStatus() whats wrong with set/add ??
 
PSR-7 is awesome fwiw
 
8:54 PM
@MarcelBurkhard I dunno, maybe they're trying to use uncommon names for the interface so that it doesn't conflict with potentially existing method names in things that would be retrofitted?
 
@MarcelBurkhard immutable state
 
That or they are, again, not sharing what they're smoking.
 
It would also be awesome if people in this place got themselves informed about this stuff before writing just for the sake of it
that said, good night :-)
 
@Ocramius oh, genius. That's pure performance.
 
@Ocramius I read up on that thx
 
8:56 PM
@Ocramius Eh, it's just a scope issue, the interface itself looks fine. G'night!
 
@Ocramius So we'll create and destroy 5 copies just so it's immutable? And how many threads are going to share this structure? Exactly 0 sharing?
 
I didn't mean to insult psr-7, my statement was a little harsh ^^ I was just complaining about ->withStatus()
 
I'm okay with immutability.
I just don't think having immutable structures where "modifying them" makes a copy and makes the change is worth anything.
 
I lost part of my faith on FIG's future after the initial over engineered PSR-6, the one about caching.
 
Just have an immutable interface, and your impl knows how to mutate state.
 
9:00 PM
I thought the caching one was withdrawn as well?
 
@Levi What's this… deciding between interop and perf?
 
https://github.com/php-fig/fig-standards/blob/master/proposed/psr-8-hug/psr-8-hug.md

xD
what the hell
 
@Charles it was, because too many people complained about the complexity
 
@marcio Good.
 
@MarcelBurkhard the PSR of love <3
 
9:03 PM
@MarcelBurkhard Look at the commit timestamp
 
@Charles oh alright. Not that I took it for real in the first place but yeah April 1st explains it.
 
9:22 PM
is there a way to run PHP src tests in parallel? I'm fixing segfaults on code that is used everywhere so I need to run a big part of the tests, would be nice to run it faster.
 
@MarcelBurkhard I cannot even pretend to be surprised
 
pce
@salathe Why do Italian men grow mustaches? A: So that they can look like their mothers. (old italian joke)
 
:{)
 
8-)3
I'm surprised the character ײַ hasn't met more use in lieu of =|
 
ThW
9:36 PM
@DanLugg to small
 
pce
@DanLugg not ascii?
 
 
pce
▒▒▒▒▒ not PETSCII. (~_~;)
 
 
2 hours later…
11:54 PM
I was fixing some HHVM compat bugs that I care a lot and accidentally hit "make clean" :D :) :| :( end of story :D, bug will stay there because that thing takes too damn long to compile.
it's like "make -j8", go to sleep and when you wake up there is a blob of melted plastic that once was your computer on your desk.
 

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