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9:00 PM
I didn't do that on purpose, hard to know how hard you're kicking when leaning back on a chair, it was meant to be funny ... it wasn't ... I went from there to absolutely nowhere, I didn't go to any school for a year, I left my mums, moved 100 miles away from her and all my friends, went to live at my fathers, he failed to get my into a normal school, he was being threatened with prosecution because i wasn't at school, so sent me to something they called "the grange" (dunno why)
at the grange I mixed with kids that judges couldn't quite bring themselves to send to juvi, yet ...
it came, for them, and for me ...
 
user895378
Someone should inform "The Grange" that its name sounds like a retirement village for the elderly.
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I think Joe was a Java programmer in a previous life
 
one stupid mistake
 
it's always something stupid
 
user895378
It's tough to change the course of a kid's life at that age. I don't feel like I was really capable of acting rationally until I was well into in my 20s.
 
9:06 PM
yeah, and an asshole ... so I'll finish the story ...
I was 16 when I couldn't go to the grange anymore, a typical 16 year old, smoked pot and swore all the time ... I went and got me a job in the villiage where my estranged father lived, he said I had to move out, I found somewhere to stay and go started, couple of months in, I approach my dad and ask for financial help, couple of hundred £ to cover me for a month, I was bad at managing money ... he said no, I walked away ... couple of months later, I had lost my place to live, then my job
 
just read that, love seeing Rob in there :-D
 
I went to him again, I had keys to the house so he didn't answer I could go in and shower ... I went in to shower and there on the desk was a brand new desktop computer, which came with a free camera ... I was annoyed, I picked up the camera and walked out, expecting he would phone me and we'd argue it out and I'd get the help he could obviously afford to give me ... he didn't do that ... he called the police and gave them a statement, I was charged with burglary of a dwelling
sentenced to 12 months, he refused to withdraw the statement ...
few months before my 18th birthday I was released ... addicted to drugs, with no education, a horrible attitude to everything ...
 
Sounds like a harsh youth...
 
Sounds like a bad father...
 
9:12 PM
@ircnaxell hah didn't notice, not surprising
 
Just don't be like that and you're all good.
 
wow
 
I can't believe you got 12 months for stealing (doesn't sound right because it's your father's) a camera.. sounds unreal.. people here get that for stealing expensive cars.. but it's UK, OK.
 
@JoeWatkins Is your record wiped as you were under 18? or is it 16?
@webarto He got 12 months because he was poor.
 
yeah, it's gone
 
9:15 PM
Sentencing is all kinds of messed up. I don't really understand how the same crime can carry different punishments.
 
@JoeWatkins you seem to be doing pretty well now
 
I had such a tame and normal childhood. That just makes me feel worse about barely making anything out of myself as an adult. I like to blame weed.
 
@Chris Isn't weed the best thing ever?
 
Well congratulations on breaking the cycle @JoeWatkins. You're one of the incredibly few who do
 
@webarto Maybe.
 
9:17 PM
@JoeWatkins Up until jail, I had a semi-similar highschool experience; buddies and I used to root the schools' NT systems for various reasons. Someone thought it'd be funny to put the policy/reg files in my local profile folder. District guys showed up and I played dumb. 10 day vacation with a warning from the VP not to reapply (it was near the end of the year)
I didn't heed his suggestion, reapplied, somehow was overlooked and was readmitted to the school. He saw me in the hallway about a week into that year and gave me the boot. Had to go to an in-between school because nowhere else in the region would take me. A lot of students that were out of juvi and couldn't quite integrate back with regular highschool
 
Don't do drugs when you don't have money, people.
 
Or... Don't do drugs.
 
mmmmkay
 
There's an awful lot of junkies where I am now, not talking 'bout weed, they're capable of stabbing me (or worse, not me) for anything material just to get one shot.
@SecondRikudo @ircmaxell inb4 you
 
9:20 PM
@Fabien nono, it's "don't do drugs with no money". Drugs are expensive.
 
@webarto Eh?
 
Those "in-between" schools, they don't work.
 
@Ocramius If you can afford recreational drugs, it's OK, if you can't you'll opt to stealing and worse.
 
No, don't do drugs when you have a lot of money. You'll get a serious habit, be able to afford the habit, and die of an overdose.
 
I'm sure the one I was in was similar to yours @JoeWatkins, same premise at least.
 
9:22 PM
yeah sounds like it ...
there's no such thing as afford heroin ...
 
@webarto yup
@JoeWatkins there's a slight difference between drug and poison :)
 
FWIW, I don't really blame weed. I actually have a solid reason for not being very ambitious, but at times it seems pretty thin.
 
I wouldn't even touch that stuff with a stick
 
Heroin? No way.
 
@JoeWatkins I haven't tried it, but I doubt anyone can really enjoy that stuff.
Drugs as in cocaine.
 
9:23 PM
I wouldn't know what it was if someone handed me some. I don't even know what unit of measure it is sold in.
 
@webarto that's not how it works
 
nor would the adult me ...
 
I puffed on a cigarette once.
 
heh
 
@tereško I don't know how it works really, but I know I haven't tried it in the worst of times.
 
9:24 PM
I'd argue that the in-between schools only improve the circumstances for the worst students; the ones that aren't really that bad (such as myself, I was just a pot-smoking techno-delinquent, and not a very good one) were exposed to a lot of drugs and criminal behavior in general; I remember doing some pretty stupid things I can't imagine I'd have otherwise done unless I was there.
 
grams, .1 or .2 to a wrap of a gram to be precise ...
 
morning
 
fuck, it's already 00:30 .. nn
 
@JoeWatkins it's probably in ounces in USA :P
 
@tereško here its 3AM
 
9:24 PM
or something like this
I don't know the imperial system :(
 
@FlorianMargaine Thus the overdose, hey bro, give me 1.
 
it's quite easy to die from .1 of a gram ...
 
Bullet is cheaper :D
 
@DanLugg Ya, I went to "Alternative Education" for most of highschool, and I don't think it was a good fit. Instead of helping me improve, it exposed me to kids that were a lot worse than me. I started smoking cigarettes AND weed in my first year at Alt. Ed., all under the direction of peers.
 
@webarto and easily available :D
 
9:26 PM
@Chris Yea, same. Except I was already doing those things and was exposed to much worse.
 
@NullPoiиteя not in France...
 
@FlorianMargaine 1oz = 28.8g
 
@DaveRandom what's oz?
 
Ounce
 
ounce
 
9:26 PM
.... why?
fuck you, americans
 
@FlorianMargaine It is, most of illegal weapons came from my country.
 
that's probably why
 
I have no idea. However, what is useful to know if you are a drug dealer is that one UK penny weighs precisely 1/8oz
 
AK here is about $200, in France, it's about 2000€ if you're lucky.
 
9:27 PM
works for 2p, less precise I think ...
 
than potato cannon is way to go :P
 
@webarto yup
 
There was a documentary about it, Bosnia to France, they smuggled AK.
 
25g I think
 
@DaveRandom Canadian Loonie is 6g 7g... or was...
 
9:28 PM
For some reason, even though we don't use imperial for anything other than (weirdly) large distances any more, drugs are sold in ounces or fractions thereof
 
sorry if an ounce were 25g 2p is a quarter I think ...
 
Calibrate those scales people!
 
@JoeWatkins 2p is precisely 1/4oz
 
is it
 
They are specifically designed like that so you can count coppers by weighing them
 
9:28 PM
@DanLugg Someone posted a pic yesterday, about 1 gram etc.
 
@JoeWatkins @ircmaxell I realized that my issue is actually recognized and being worked on by fedora, who are going to have "one lxc per app"
 
of course they are, yeah
 
later ... g'night
 
Similarly 10p/5p have a direct weight relationship, as do 20p/50p
 
9:29 PM
We always weighted a US Nickle, 5 grams
 
on this note, good night.
 
And I think £1/£2
 
I fucking lol'd hard.
 
nite (those pppl who just said they going sleep)
 
9:30 PM
(me)
(thanks)
 
Nite Flowerian.
@DanLugg Count me too.
 
yes, nite @FlorianMargaine
 
Ever since medical marijuana became legal in various states in the US, the quality has dramatically risen, as have the prices.
 
and @NullPoiиteя
 
Yeah, I'm going too. Night^3
 
9:31 PM
nite @Chris
 
Well, I booked tomorrow off, so FUCK IT I'M BOOOOOOOOOOOZIN' IT UP SEE YOU IN DRUNKEN UNDERWEAR TOWN FOLKS.
 
@ircmaxell if it's opcache, then please ping Dmitry, he did that part for constant scalar expressions.
 
Meanwhile on Balkans.
 
LOL
 
9:34 PM
But they cut them down a bit. (I have the same rifle)
M70AB2 FU
 
Isn't that just an AK-47? Or are there different flavours of them?
I know literally nothing about firearms
 
me neither, I've seen a single handgun ...
 
@salathe LOL
 
9:36 PM
Well actually that's not true, I know a lot of theory, just nothing about real actual guns
"man baffled"
 
that is so scottish @salathe
 
@JoeWatkins I live in Manchester and I don't think I've ever seen a real gun
 
From drugchat to gunchat, eh?
 
any money, the guy swore back ...
 
Hey you Jimmy God, fuck you!
 
9:39 PM
@DaveRandom I dunno if it worked, it was carried by a well known individual like it was part of his outfit ... we all suspected it didn't, but tried not to piss him off anyway ...
 
@webarto The ridiculous thing about that is that I keep doing it :-P
@JoeWatkins To be fair, in this country, all you need is for people to think you have a gun
 
@DaveRandom It's not AK-47 (that's Russian) per se, it's a modification called M70 (Yugoslav) and AB2 is a variant. AK is a system/base.
@DaveRandom I saw you at least 5 times :D
 
I did it like 4 hrs ago or something
 
no one ever saw him draw it ... he was a violent guy ... I kid you not, he would go to peoples houses with rubber gloves on to kick shit out of them ... junkies houses ... the rubber gloves were for protection ... from aids ... in case not clear ...
 
btw has anyone seen @AlmaDo or @Leri today? I'm getting a little concerned about this whole Russia/Ukraine thing, wondering if they might start suppressing internetz :-(
 
9:44 PM
yeah
both
 
@AndreaFaulds fyi compiler 120 chars line
 
@JoeWatkins Yeh well if the guy is using rubber gloves as AIDS protection, pretty reasonable chance he now has AIDS...
 
@NikiC I'll split it
 
@DaveRandom Nah, relax, nothing regional going to happen, same scenario as always.
 
big yellow washing up type gloves
dunno if that was for show too ... he was all about that ...
 
9:45 PM
@AndreaFaulds nah, it's okay, easy to change when merging ;)
just so you know for future changes
 
@JoeWatkins ...which are needle-proof?
 
@NikiC OK :)
 
@JoeWatkins I've never seen anyone with a gun in public to be honest.
 
no but blood from eyes can get in wounds on hands ...
 
Unless you've got seriously fucked up hands, transmission of blood-borne diseases through your hands seems somewhat unlikely when they could just spit at you
 
9:47 PM
@DaveRandom You're still carrying an infection and could infect yourself, though
 
Actually thinking about it I have seen police with MP5s at the airport
 
they probably did ... he wasn't a doctor remember ... not a smart fellow ...
 
@DaveRandom Police doesn't count :P
You guys live in safe countries, otherwise it's very stressful, trust me.
 
@webarto this wasn't actually in public, like walking down the street public, this would be in his belt while he sat in the only chair in the den and plied his trade ...
 
I'm only concerned of not being to defend myself if someone pulls it on me, otherwise no reason for it at all.
 
9:49 PM
@AndreaFaulds True. But still... seems like there are mush more serious risk factors in that scenario
 
I'm paying for insurance, don't care about car and material stuff.
 
it might not have even been real ... nobody ever heard or saw him draw it, or threaten seriously to shoot anyone ... he would just sit there with it ... like a statement ...
bet he's dead ...
 
Yay.
 
@webarto This is essentially what I will call the "America problem" - because everybody already has guns, it's basically impossible to get rid of them.
 
I only would hurt one bloke in this world, he threatened my wife, because of me.
 
9:51 PM
I find that hard to judge ... daniel is a smart chap, so is anthony ... it's normal for them to have guns and they feel like they need them ... and so they must do ...
 
But, I got cold, he's not worth it, he'll get killed sooner or later.
 
Oh yeh we have assholes, they just aren't armed.
 
or not with guns anyway ...
 
Daniel has two guns. He works on them twice a week.
 
@DaveRandom In my country guns are highly illegal, but you can acquire one by plowing some land where war was going on.
 
9:52 PM
I always thought that nobody in the us really had guns, we can have guns here but we don't bother and I thought anyone with sense would be the same in america despite culture ... but it doesn't seem that way at all ...
 
@JoeWatkins only because there is the very real possibility that the guy who breaks in will have a gun
 
People got sick of guns...
 
yeah that's happened to him ... I can't imagine it ... maybe hes right to have guns, he must be ...
 
@DaveRandom Yes, only because of that, if they don't have it, you shouldn't have it too.
 
Also, I do get the whole recreational gun thing. It doesn't really appeal to me, but I do understand why people would enjoy controlled target practice etc
 
9:54 PM
but but ... regression ... where does it stop ...
 
But, if you're worried about break-in, there are alarm systems and stuff, that would prevent probably.
 
well there's almost no point in having a gun if you cannot hit a target with it ...
 
@DaveRandom LOL
@JoeWatkins Lot of people panic, even if they could shoot, it can go wrong... it's better not to shoot, you could one of your own.
 
@DaveRandom Now that I've attained citizenship in the state I reside I'll be acquiring some firearms for that exact reason. I have no desire to walk around with a handgun strapped to my side but firing a weapon for controlled target practice? That's a lot of fun.
 
9:57 PM
I'd panic, I'd run the fuck away ...
 
^ this
I forget which state it is (Alabama maybe?) but somewhere it is legal to drive with a beer in one hand, firing a gun out the window with the other
 
It's not legal to be drunk while driving, but it is legal to drink and drive
 
@rdlowrey major as in consumer api?
 
user895378
10:01 PM
@Ocramius yeah:
 
user895378
8 hours ago, by rdlowrey
Would it mess you up if I changed the Message::getHeader($field) to always return the first header occurence and added Message::getFoldedHeader($field) (for comma concatenated values) plus Message::getHeaderArray($field)?
 
I cannot think of a good reason that should be allowed ...
 
@rdlowrey it wouldn't break my own APIs, but why such a change?
 
@DaveRandom Beer is beverage, so drinking one while driving can't hurt.
 
user895378
Just because I think it's the more sensible API.
 
10:02 PM
seems also weird to return only the first header value in a csv value
 
user895378
But it's also weird to do $msg->getHeader('Content-Length') and have to sift through an array.
 
user895378
I think conceptually most people think of a header field having a single value.
 
HTTP spec problems propagate :/
 
@rdlowrey well, that's weird from HTTP itself
 
user895378
True ...
 
10:03 PM
instead, wrap it in a Header object if it's multiple, no?
 
user895378
I dunno. Maybe I should just not mess with it.
 
@Ocramius That covers 99% of use cases, and gives you the value as a string. The whole "comma separated" thing that HTTP specifies is a bit leaky (there are cases that break it, I forget what they are) and it's a PITA when you have to deref an array for every header
 
so you let the weirdness be "solved" or made "easier to work with" on a case-by-case value
@DaveRandom it is
 
user895378
@Ocramius I could do a Header but I just really don't want to introduce more userland APIs that people have to understand.
 
user895378
AFK, gotta run right this second. Sorry :)
 
10:05 PM
@rdlowrey well, then my opinion is to not mess with it at all
 
Isn't there a case where headers can be duplicated?
 
As much as I hate that API, I've considered this issue a few times and unfortunately that is what passes for a sane API given the spec
 
and instead add a getFirstHeaderValueBlabla() instead if you really need it
 
I think it says any can ...
 
@FlorianMargaine any header can be repeated
 
10:06 PM
I remember seeing an application that returned 2 set-cookie headers, but maybe it was just broken
 
but haven't read it for a long long time ...
 
no, it's valid
 
@FlorianMargaine Multiple headers with the same name can occur and regularly do (Set-Cookie for example). The HTTP spec says that these headers should be collapsible to a single comma-separated list, but this often results in ambiguity
 
fwiw I agree with @Ocramius ... leave existing API intact and add a getFirstHeader($field) or whatever
 
The host header can be duplicated?
 
10:07 PM
I thing Set-Cookie is actually one of those ambiguous cases
 
@rdlowrey getFirstHeader($name) is much simpler than introducing another API for headers, and provides what you need. People who want to mess with raw headers still have what they want
Set-Cookie is a case where you always want ALL of zem damn headers
 
@FlorianMargaine It should not be, the behaviour there would be undefined, although I suspect most applications would use the first
 
So, apparently I can't commercially license this picture because the Coke sign is visible in it: 500px.com/photo/79822127/evening-rush-by-anthony-ferrara
 
@Ocramius @rdlowrey I'll +1 that
 
I can't even see it
 
10:09 PM
@ircmaxell change it to Cola Coca
 
@ircmaxell dafuq, it took me 10 seconds to see it even after you said that
Cola Cola
 
@Dave what I thought. But Ocramius said any header could be duplicated :P
 
where ?
 
yup, thanks 500px
 
@FlorianMargaine syntactically. Semantically most headers make no sense.
 
10:09 PM
where is it in the pic ?
 
Middle left
 
@Ocramius Wouldn't Message::getHeaderValue($field) and Message::getHeaderArray($field) be the natural names?
 
large billboard, quite blurry because very bright
 
@Danack I'd expect the first to give me the entire header string, \n separated
 
oh yeah ... could you obscure it somehow ?
 
10:10 PM
ah.
 
@Danack this sort of "ease of use API" leads to "dafuq is my data" bugs
:P
 
very close to invisible, maybe there's a filter or something ? I know nothing about photography, dunno if that's blasphemy ... cool photo tho ...
they are all cool ...
 
thanks :-)
I really like what I got last week: flickr.com/photos/ircmaxell/14788479039
 
@ircmaxell and this in ~1 year of doing photography?
 
photoshop a mcdonalds billboard over it and try again
 
10:13 PM
yup
 
neat, makes me wanna learn as well
 
well, I was into it as a kid (had a film SLR in highschool, but wasn't obsessed)
@Ocramius I love it, because it gives me something to do that isn't tech
 
@NikiC thanks for merging it! ^^
 
it really does ... there's something about water ....
 
I need to convince @ircmaxell to come to VT. I see a lot of awesome views on hikes but definitely don't get pictures like that.
 
10:15 PM
@cspray no convincing needed. Throw a conference and I'm there
 
@ircmaxell yup, we already talked about that :)
 
now that 5.3 has reached EOL, at what point are the download links removed from the site? Is it 1yr from now?
 
and fire
 
@ircmaxell Give me a couple years but I may just hold you to that ;)
 
10:17 PM
 
yeah that's the one I was looking at, and the one before it...
 
The 3.0.17 binary is still there, so not in 1 year from now ;)
 
I also see two grim reapers
grim reaper and wife maybe ...
 
that's what I meant by ghosts
:-)
 
10:18 PM
ah
 
I want to go out shooting tongiht, but not sure where to go...
have about 15 mins to decide
 
somewhere with water ... then light a fire ... also a bridge is good ...
 
Don't do that, store it encrypted on a database — Juan Mendes 8 mins ago
 
Lol
 
rite...
 
10:21 PM
Yeah, I may grab my bike and ride over to liberty state park...
 
Thanks!
I love that kitty...
 
beautiful animal ...
 
@AndreaFaulds thanks for the patch :)
 
I like the flower ones too ... how you pick out a flower, no clue, but they are very pretty shots ...
any flower is probably that beautiful I guess ... they're very good ...
 
10:26 PM
github.com/DaveRandom/php-streams/pull/1 <-- thoughts appreciated from anyone who has them
 
A lot of it is trial and error. Take a bunch of shots. Some will be duds. Some will be awesome. Find the awesome ones and drop the duds. Then learn.
 
how close can you get to the moon with your camera ?
 
@ircmaxell That sounds a little bit like programming actually
 
when you look at the moon through a powerful telescope, it's very pretty, the dust left behind from huge impacts can be seen in the patterns that were left from impact ...
 
10:28 PM
Not with the lenses I have. My longest is 200mm, and I can double that to 400 ignoring autofocus.
 
@DaveRandom decorate indeed.
 
not even that powerful, I can't remember how to convert it now, but a decent one you'd have at home ... I had one, stars and the moon are very pretty ... navigating the sky is extremely hard though ...
 
@ircmaxell There's always this photo spot.
 
10:43 PM
sleep time ... nite chaps :)
 
nn joe
 
@PeeHaa Whole thread is a big X/Y Problem case
 
yeap
 
how do you do the tag things btw?
 
The question sucked, but nobody actually asked what OP was trying to do and instead made stupid assumptions
@AndreaFaulds [tag:andrea-faulds]
Or [meta-tag:andrea-faulds]
 
10:47 PM
@PeeHaa
 
mmmm
 
Wasdah?
ah murican breakfast
 
peanut butter and jam
The last bite... so satisfying and so depressing at the same time.
 

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