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7:00 PM
heh. Wife has had issues with her ethernet wire and had to use mine all week till her wifi card arrived. She's just discovered today it wasn't plugged in at the router.
 
@ircmaxell "Strictly converting to int", so what would fail? "42" would presumably be okay? Or would "42xy" fail instead?
 
@Fabien I was going nuts over why my $500 speakers weren't working for like 30 minutes, I gave up, started repacking them to return to the store and I realized I haven't plugged them in -_-
 
so .. emm ... what would (int!)'foobar' produce? An exception?
 
@SecondRikudo lol.
 
foreach ($info as $request) {
    log_message("debug", "Request $request[request_id]... Counter is $request[current_counter]");
}
foreach ($info as $request) {
    if ($request["current_counter"] >= 1) {
        log_message("debug", "Sending lead for $request[request_id]... From $request[referer]");
        sendLead($pdo, $request, true);
    }
}
So this would work, right?
 
7:01 PM
yes
 
(Yes, I know it could be done with one loop, but sendLead could kill the script, and I want all the log_messages out first)
 
@DanLugg correct
@tereško or a recoverable error
for the record, I think that's loco
 
lol, loco
 
@tereško Play some starbound then go to bed
 
I will put on some audiobook and go to bed
 
7:04 PM
@ircmaxell loco el coco?
 
(started listening to "Pandora's Star")
 
@ircmaxell It is though.
It'll lead the way for (int?) and eventually (int&*@#$)
 
not really
 
Sure it will, because we'll have too many casting mechanisms; why not add more!?
(int?) casts or null on data-loss, optional notice raised.
(int&*@#$) casts and sends and writes garbage to the syslog for an hour if the result is divisible by 71 and also a string.
We need "one true cast semantic".
 
@tereško heard of Aldnoah.Zero?
New anime this season, only 2 episodes so far, looks rather promising
 
7:10 PM
@SecondRikudo nope, but it reminded me of Eidolon Alpha: youtube.com/watch?v=cwZsqnjQi3g
(the name, not the anime)
 
hey
 
anyway, time to sleep
 
is it easy compiling your own functions for your php version
 
@BenBeri That didn't make much sense...
 
I wanna make some kind of a function for example say_hello() which will return "hello" and compile it into my php version
 
7:14 PM
@DanLugg which is why I said that :-)
 
@BenBeri Ah, well, you'll have to wait for our PHP source guys to answer.
 
kk
@SecondRikudo Are you glad they continued the fire lol?
 
@BenBeri Meh
They had their chance to stop.
 
ye now we are legitimated to increase the fire and fuck them
but the world will still hate us
 
7:17 PM
how much score do you need to be able to vote to mark some questions as duplicated or close them?
a nvm, its under "flag"
 
@BenBeri For 3k users, 5 votes to close, 5 votes to duplicate
For gold badge owner in a tag on the question, 5 votes to close, 1 vote to duplicate.
For mods, 1 vote to close, 1 vote to duplicate.
 
Gold badge tag needs to be the same as the question's tag? (i see you have gold css tag)
 
@BenBeri I have gold CSS and PHP tags
So questions asked in those tags I can mark as duplicate in one vote
 
i see
Grave Encounters 2 seems like the scariest movie ever
 
looks like I need to rebuild hippy
 
7:29 PM
Hi quick question; is it better to have htmlspecialchar first? ucwords(htmlspecialchars($item->tag))
 
Always using it
 
@BenBeri What's that for?
 
/me shutters
 
It's a class that offers many functions for char escaping from Zend
 
Isn't hmtlspecialchar enough?
I don't think I'm ready for frameworks.
 
7:33 PM
Not always
Read the class's comments for each method, it explains it well
 
What if im the one supplying the data?
 
@BenBeri Escaping from ZendFramework sounds great.
 
@Danack like anything, it still depends on the context you're dealing with
 
@ircmaxell The context being 'using ZendFramework, and wanting to escape'.
/dead frog
 
7:35 PM
no, anything and wanting to escape
 
escape from zend framework, not escaping in zend framework.
 
So I was told that htmlspecialchars escapes only 5 chars, to help prevent XMS attacks. Thats right?
Whats the difference of this zend escaping?
 
@RahulKhosla Yes, that is correct.
Refer to the htmlspecialchars manual entry.
 
Someone use codeception for test applications?
 
Weird, I inputted the following in my db;
– — – - !@£$%^&*()
and the output was:
– — – - !@£$%^&*()
using:
htmlspecialchars($item->description);
 
7:41 PM
@ircmaxell Although, (int?) wouldn't be thaaaat bad ;-)
 
@DanLugg eih
 
Shouldn't & be &???
 
It'd be consistent (sort of) It wouldn't be consistent, but it'd be rational, for people who must have multiple casting strategies ... (int) becomes lossy errors, (int?) becomes lossy nulls, int (as a hint) behaves the same as (int)
 
lossy nulls?
 
lossy to null, null === (int?) "123foobar"
Whereas, as already discussed, (int) "123foobar" would E_ERROR
 
7:47 PM
(int) "123foobar" will and should never error
 
Meh. I know it doesn't, I'd rather it did, however.
 
Should I be using foreach $stmt as $row or just stick to the PDO $row = $stmt->fetchObject(); ?
 
PHP 5.7 may be *twice* as fast as PHP 5.6. http://ckon.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/php-5-7-twice-as-fast/
so, I guess PHP6/7 needs to now be called 5.7...
 
lol
 
@ircmaxell Darn. It was on wordpress.com so it has to be true.
 
7:54 PM
Know of any free mysql host website? :P
 
yet another reason the blog post idea that @JoeWatkins tried to do was needed
 
Except people wont go ape shit over this post.
 
@ircmaxell by the php 7 logic, yes.
 
Well, by the php7 logic, NG should be 7, but 5.NEXT should be 5.8 now
 
@ircmaxell depends ... there has been news that phpng will be used by the next major version and now there has been news that phpng will be used by php 5.7. By transitivity it follows that the next major version is php 5.7.
 
7:58 PM
lol :-)
 
vagrant really is pretty awesome for spinning up a quick single instance though...
 
To be fair, php --version of PHPNG says 5.7-something, doesn't it?
 
fabien, what for
 
PHPNG sounds like a Star Trek film.
 
Well, maybe we can just skip to PHP 8. I mean HTML is up to 9 (sorta)
 
8:01 PM
@Farkie Wanna work on a new personal project in a clean env... I just launch a new box.
Now I have my basic setup sorted that is. With puppet.
 
@ircmaxell 5.6 is released already?
 
you're welcome to use my box for something if you want
 
5.6 is in beta still but prolly not much longer
 
So why work on 5.7.
 
@RahulKhosla Release Candidate 2: php.net/archive/2014.php#id2014-07-03-1
 
8:02 PM
When 5.6 can be just as good.
 
5.6 is in beta. Means no more new things
 
Thanks.
 
@Farkie Oh in regards to the mysql db?
 
sure, or hosting
 
This may be a stupid question; but who runs php.net, I assumed php was an open source thing?
 
8:04 PM
Thanks but I have my own for that. This is for a noob friend who is trying to dropbox his WAMP :P
 
heh
he can use it too, it's running DirectAdmin so should be simple enough
 
@Fabien If speed isn't a major issue there's several companies that offer Raspberry Pi's for hosting. 16GB cards too. Just hafta put up with something like Fedora or Raspbian
 
Far too much for his needs/ability. It's a non-issue anyway. He's persisting with dropbox(wamp)
 
@Machavity That makes me lol everytime I read it...
> 6. Is it compatible with GridSASS 3.8? Does a bear have regular bowel movements in the cool breeze of a grassy woodland area?
 
8:10 PM
Man. My code is still doubling my calls to pgsql insert :P wtf lol
$stmt->rowCount(); returns 1 though
 
@Machavity I didn't realise you can host a site from a raspberrypi :o Is an ethernet cable needed?
 
Or a wifi dongle
 
Would this make a portable server?
 
But I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than learning
 
As in, I assume it connects to wifi, then to the internet.
 
8:12 PM
Why would you need a portable server?
 
Can I take it to another location with another wifi?
Idk, just seems like a good thing to always have on you.
 
does dropbox host html?
 
You could also use (W|M)AMP
 
or does it just serve it?
 
Well, in this case there's companies that will rent you one for cheap. For instance raspberrycolocation.com
 
8:14 PM
@Machavity That would connect without any of your own wifi?
 
they're hosting it for you in their location. So, no.
 
colocation = your equipment hooked to host network in their equipment room
 
What's the use of it?
 
you only really pay for power and network
 
8:16 PM
Like a mobile plan I guess?
 
In some respects it's worse than, say, AWS micro tier. Not much storage or horsepower. but AWS gives Micro 5 seconds and then takes 98% of the CPU away. So your rented Raspberry Pi is truly dedicated and not virtual
 
Literally a server in your pocket.
 
More or less
 
Any use of that?
 
@Machavity no, it's release candidate
 
8:19 PM
Can host, say, a really low traffic Wordpress blog or something simple
 
wtf... die('here'); is just showing a white screen.
 
@ircmaxell ah, so it is. Soon to bury 5.4 too
 
I meant, as in buying a shared hosting plan, or virtual server.
 
Anyone ever had that? I am on PHP 5.6.0-dev
 
Virtual servers are cheaper than renting a full machine
 
8:20 PM
Ok thanks for the info.
Any pro want to help a novice out in chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/57235/php-for-novices ?
 
Why are we polyfilling features that don't exist yet? Oh, I know, because we are idiots.
 
Pretty strange. @JoeWatkins I've installed php 5.6 and die('here'); isn't echoing though the die is working.
 
Anyone got any idea whats happening here?
I inputted the following in my db;
– — – - !@£$%^&*()
and the output was:
– — – - !@£$%^&*()
using:
htmlspecialchars($item->description);
Shouldn't & be amp?
 
user895378
8:36 PM
@Fabien web SAPI or CLI?
 
user895378
because it's working as expected for me in the CLI.
 
@Fabien output buffering with callback? error suppression? error somewhere else before the die?
 
@rdlowrey Web
I'll try running in cli
Cli is the same result. All I am running is.
error_reporting(E_ALL);
ini_set('display_errors', 1);
echo 'Here';
die("WTF");
 
user895378
and what's your php -v output?
 
I just get 'Here'
PHP 5.6.0-dev (cli) (built: Jul 13 2014 12:53:51)
Copyright (c) 1997-2014 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.6.0-dev, Copyright (c) 1998-2014 Zend Technologies
    with uopz v2.0.5, Copyright (c) 2014, by Joe Watkins <krakjoe@php.net>
    with Zend OPcache v7.0.4-dev, Copyright (c) 1999-2014, by Zend Technologies
 
8:41 PM
ini setting?
 
@Fabien Disable uopz
 
Forgive me, how do I do that?
 
user895378
comment out the relevant extension line in your php.ini
 
2nd last and 3rd last line I take it
 
user895378
yup. You only have to comment out the zend_extension= line for uopz
 
8:46 PM
That did it. Thanks guys.
What was the issue anyhoo?
 
user895378
Who knows. You may want to file an issue at Joe's uopz github bug tracker.
 
All tag the fact I am getting "bash: __vcs_name: command not found" too now.
 
 
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9:55 PM
It's happy moment when you google a topic and find the top search result is one of your answers on the SO main site :)
5
 
nm wrong context
I thought you said you had a question and SO had the answer :p
 
Yup :-)
 
10:17 PM
@Fabien uopz changes how exit works, exit === die ...
 
I see.
I guess the
bash: __vcs_name: command not found
issue is unrelated?
 
it is yeah
you can disable overloads if you're not using that and want to use something else from uopz, uopz.overloads=0 would have had the same effect ...
 
I've commented it out as suggested. Seems fine now.
 
cool
 
Hmm. My duplicating inserts have fixed themselves too. o.O 50/50 on that.
 
10:25 PM
@rdlowrey this is probably a stupid question, but is the only benefit to using ArtaxClient\AsyncClient rather than Artax\Client::requestMulti the more powerful api for queueing requests with separate onResponse/onError callables, or are there other benefits?
 
user895378
@Danack No, the main benefit is that any call to AsyncClient::request() returns immediately without blocking or waiting of any kind. You can go on about your business doing other (non-blocking) things and your callback will be notified when the response is fully received.
 
user895378
But to take advantage of that your script has to run inside an event loop (the same event loop used to make the async client go).
 
user895378
@Danack That said, the existing async API is terrible and is being completely changed.
 
Ah k. So if I actually can't do anything else until it completes, then that benefit goes away.
 
10:28 PM
@zerkms On one hand, I'm so, so pleased that they aren't still using Vignette, and that they're using Symfony-based stuff. On the other hand, lolcnet
 
user895378
Right.
 
user895378
The multi request functionality in the regular Client is just a way to (obviously) do all the requests at the same time -- but you can't do anything else in your script until all the responses in that group come back.
 
@zerkms WHAT?!
 
user895378
yeah symfony was apparently the culprit behind cnet getting hacked.
 
yes, but that's their fault for keeping app_dev up there
you must be a cow to do that
 
user895378
10:30 PM
Or a sheep. Sheep have been known to use Symfony :)
 
I feel like sheep get a bad rep... but that's just the welshman inside me.
 
user895378
Also: that's just another reason why things like NotFoundHttpException (exceptions in general) should never be used for flow control.
 
user895378
/cc @DanLugg because I know you're a fan of using exceptions in that manner :)
 
user895378
@Fabien I feel like there's a bestiality joke to be had somewhere in there.
 
@rdlowrey I think an exception is fine there, it's something the application can't handle
 
10:33 PM
@rdlowrey TBH I was waiting for Dave to say something like "Usually it's the welshman inside the sheep"
 
the http glue layer should catch it and handle it
(which is the case, just that they left the dev environment up =_= )
 
user895378
@Ocramius Hello DoS. Exceptions are relatively expensive. When you throw them for something as unexceptional as a 404 you're asking for it.
 
user895378
^ Another, unrelated reason.
 
user895378
Don't abuse exceptions.
 
@rdlowrey we're dealing with applications, not LOAD BALANCERS
my applications take > 200ms to load and it's fine, because that's what my business logic takes to run anyway
 
10:43 PM
@rdlowrey I should probably just let you get on with refactoring it, but why isn't there a 'stop if you don't have any more things to process' flag/function in the reactor?
 
@Ocramius no route found, that's what :-)
 
@zerkms not if you know how to use debug mode there :(
 
Exception-driven development can actually be interesting for certain problems.
 
user895378
@Danack The reactor will give control back to php if there's nothing outstanding left to do. I'm not sure what you're referencing in particular, though.
 
user895378
10:59 PM
@Ocramius well regardless, you know what wouldn't be possible if exceptions weren't used for flow control? that symfony error page.
 
user895378
A 404 is just not an exceptional circumstance ...
 
@rdlowrey I'm referencing this example where it says that "We need to track how many requests remain so we can stop the program when they're all finished"
 
@rdlowrey you'd have to write an explicit 404 handling logic in every case anyway
and even in that case, a dev mode tool would tell you who/what triggered the 404
 
user895378
@Ocramius but it doesn't require exceptions that result in spewing all the sensitive data about your server to end users.
 
user895378
@Danack Ah, well that's necessary because the client keeps socket connections alive. So even after all requests are finished the reactor still has "watchers" registered so it knows that if N idle seconds have elapsed the socket needs to be closed or that if it receives an EOF signal from the other end it can unload the socket.
 
11:02 PM
@rdlowrey an exception isn't displayed by default anyway
 
user895378
@Ocramius But that's not germane to my argument. A 404 shouldn't be capable of resulting in exception traceback.
 
user895378
@Danack So the reactor does technically still have things to do, which is why we stop it explicitly when the requests are finished. If the client is then used again later anything that occurred in the interim is immediately accounted for when the reactor is started back up.
 
6 hours ago, by rdlowrey
Taiwan. That was it.
 
@rdlowrey why not? A component within my application just couldn't find something
a "not found" domain-specific exception bubbles up and is converted into a 404 status code
the fact that there's also more output here is due to a tool that should NOT be enabled
 
user895378
@Ocramius And my argument is that you shouldn't be using exceptions for flow control.
 
11:04 PM
it's not because someone used an exception
 
user895378
If someone didn't use the exception that wouldn't be possible.
 
I use exceptions for flow control. I don't use them where my code can handle them
but the http glue layer is not my code
that's the point of exceptions: throw early, catch late
let it handle to those who can handle it
 
user895378
But nowhere is the point of exceptions to throw spuriously.
 
user895378
I'm not against exceptions. I'm against exception abuse.
 
a NotFoundException, UnauthorizedException or MissingPaymentException are all perfect use-cases for conversion into a correct error code
 
user895378
11:06 PM
It depends heavily on the context. A NotFoundException, in my opinion, is never appropriate.
 
well, my core domain can throw a NotFoundException
not an HTTP related one, since my business logic doesn't know about http
but then I'd catch it at the glue-controller-whatevs-layer and rethrow it as 404Exception or such
which is better/cleaner and safer than having manual handling of all those cases
I'd also prefer such an exception to bubble up and cause a 500 rather than missing a "manual setting of the 404 response code" and having a cached faulty page in some proxy
 
user895378
Better/cleaner in my opinion is single responsibility. A router should tell you whether or not the request was matched. You don't need to throw for that.
 
user895378
If the routing logic is separated out from the other code an exception there is totally unnecessary.
 
but the router can only do so much
you can't know if the core domain of your business logic is causing edge cases to bubble up
as exceptions, I mean
either you plug the router in it and then you have a massive blob or you keep them separate and use this approach
 
user895378
My argument is that a better solution would be to return a Response whose status code was 404.
 
user895378
11:10 PM
No exception necessary.
 
while indeed the core domain should not handle exception cases in first place, exceptions will be there
 
BTW: @joe I figured out how to solve that one type problem I was seeing... :-)
 
user895378
It's cleaner. It doesn't require a test harness to validate that it works properly. It can't result in exception vomit.
 
user895378
@Ocramius Agree :)
 
@rdlowrey the Response object is a concept of the HTTP technical domain. A ProductNotFoundException is a concept of my e-commerce business core domain
 
user895378
11:11 PM
Right -- again, I'm not saying don't use exceptions. I'm saying don't use exceptions where they shouldn't be used.
 
user895378
You will have exceptions and that's perfectly normal.
 
in the middle there is a controller, which catches those ProductNotFoundExceptions if they bubble up, or which I configure to catch a set of exceptions
 
user895378
But this specific situation couldn't have happened with a better design.
 
so I think the cnet 404 is not really an abuse
it's just that the router failed to route, and the httpkernel catched a router exception
 
user895378
Well we'll never agree until one of us changes our minds :)
 
11:12 PM
yes, here the router would probably return null instead of throwing :P
 
user895378
A 404 exception is always bad design to me :)
 
but a ProductNotFoundException is a 404, just in my domain
and you translate it into http in the glue layer in between :P
 
user895378
My beef is with the glue layer, not your unknown product exception :)
 
Hi guys.
 
ah, well, if you mean that the glue layer should not throw the exception internally
I kinda agree
I don't think the symfony router should fail like that, it's just not matching anything
 
11:16 PM
What should I be using: foreach $stmt as $row, or $row = $stmt->fetchObject(); ?
 
user895378
Surely there's some sort of debug flag to prevent symfony from showing that raw error output though, right? And the cnet devs are just really dumb for not having it configured correctly on a production server?
 
Anyone any ideas?
 
@rdlowrey in theory they should just disable dev mode
and that's it
the main trouble with that is that app_dev.php exposes /_profile, which shows much much more...
 
user895378
This is part of why I don't particularly like the php web sapi model of your application mapping to files in the public web root.
 
user895378
It should be more difficult than it is to expose sensitive content in public web directories ...
 
user895378
11:21 PM
These are minute, niche gripes, of course.
 
@rdlowrey even if it was not about files, they could still expose some debugging controller/route, so the security flaw would still be there
(if they forgot to disable that route/controller)
 
user895378
Well my thinking is that noob devs are particularly inclined to exposing things on the filesystem.
 
user895378
Maybe that's not accurate, but it seems that way to me. It's just really easy to muck it up.
 
Why do they even deploy app_dev.php on production in first place
 
@rdlowrey yup, totally agree. The latest projects I worked on had a docker container only having access to index.php and a tmp/ dir.
while the web server still had access to public assets
 
user895378
11:23 PM
@Ocramius beautiful.
 
You use docker aye?
 
docker is shizzlewhizzleawesum
 
user895378
I've still not taken docker for a spin.
 
I used it for about 2.3 days
 
user895378
I need to mitigate my ignorance.
 
11:24 PM
My feedback on @docker http://t.co/4gmiEB9VfQ
 
Then Danack called me a noob and advised me to calm down the VM hunt :P
 
@rdlowrey it's really stupid. You can think of it as a chjail around a single process (veeeeeery simplified explanation)
but that's it. docker run php -S ...
 
And yes, much exposed on web sites.
I docroot index.php which points to bootstrap of app behind docroot, static assets and templates.
 
user895378
@Ocramius So do you use it to host multiple client sites on a single server or what?
 
user895378
How does it work with ports and stuff? Or does it not even matter or isn't for that sort of thing?
 
11:27 PM
Mar 6 at 16:55, by Fabien
@Simon_eQ here's another example of structure
 
Quick question, when developers use Git, how do they share databases?
 
@rdlowrey yes, it is like having multiple running VMs
 
user895378
Ohhh sounds fancy.
 
@rdlowrey the advantage being that if they get into one, they only see that one
 
Though that was a while ago and subject to frowning on some parts now.
 
11:28 PM
@rdlowrey the other cool thing is that you configure what ports and other containers see of each other
 
Namespaced kernels = docker. Or something
 
so the "php fastcgi" container only exposes port 9000, and only to the container running nginx
 
So lighter than vagrant in that sense.
 
which is kinda killer-feature security-wise. You can have the same performance of native apps, but each service lives in his own box. Not even the filesystem is shared unless you say what, where and with what kind of access
 
@RahulKhosla What do you mean?
 
user895378
11:31 PM
@Ocramius that's really cool. Can you allocate things like cpu resources per instance too?
 
@Fabien Well I read that github was a place for developers to work together on a project, but how do they share databases and database values?
 
They don't share a database on github. Only a codebase.
Either run their own database or have one hosted somewhere.
 
But almost all project require a db
Ahh ok
But then, its public.
 
@rdlowrey never tried tbh
 
Or it could be hosted externally I guess. Something like: <?php require_once('http://google.com/db_connection.php') ?>
 
11:33 PM
@rdlowrey I watched this. Was fairly informative. You can skip 1/3rd to go to terminal stuff otherwise prior it's all about how it works.
 
user895378
It's okay, I can use the google ... no need for you to be my personal answer service :)
 
seems like it :)
 
user895378
woot
 
I built a small example at github.com/Ocramius/ZfKickstarter - not sure if it still runs, as I didn't try it in 2 months :D
this is 1 HHVM container + 1 NGINX container
 
user895378
Really takes the pain out of setting up an environment.
 
11:35 PM
the current production box is up to a co-worker of mine, we also use it to parallelize integration tests
 
@rdlowrey Bare in mind Docker and Vagrant solve two different problems (AFAIK). One might suit your needs better.
 
we just spin up a docker container with all DB fixtures pre-loaded at a particular stage
 
s/bare/bear
 
@Fabien you can use the docker vagrant provider and then docker is solving the same problem as well :P
 
user895378
I'm mostly just interested in seeing what features are out there. I don't have anything in particular in mind that I need either for at this time.
 
11:36 PM
@rdlowrey spinning up 100 boxes in your local machine, let them interact and simulate faults :D
 
Me I just enjoy my base vagrant+puppet file with centos - nginx, some libs for php compiling and postgresql. Vagrant Up ... and away we go! :)
 
or even 1000
@Fabien docker+puppet works the same - you're not forced to run a single process in a docker container
 
user895378
Certainly sounds like it makes scaling easier ... you can just dump an instance on each new box you add.
 
I ran docker for a little bit. Set up some stuff. Closed and cloned it. Then booted the clone up and lost all my changes :-/
 
user895378
I wonder if there are options for hot upgrade of an instance or if that's just something you have to take an instance offline to do.
 
11:41 PM
24 mins ago, by Rahul Khosla
What should I be using: foreach $stmt as $row, or $row = $stmt->fetchObject(); ?
 
@rdlowrey instances are "committed"
you'd likely create a clone of an instance, apply your upgrade, then disconnect the currently running instance and plug in the new instance
should be pretty much 0 downtime
 
@RahulKhosla Whichever you like
 
@Fabien Best practice with PDO stmts? And most secure?
 
Doesn't matter and the same.
 
Ok thanks.
I think i'm getting a bit better writing readable php.
 
11:44 PM
I think I found @ircmaxell's next apartment :)
 
Holy fuckballs
 
Am I doing this right?^
@Fabien I wouldn't be surprised if that was his shed.
Someone pointed out I should be using classes? Is that the case with my current code?
 
Figure out what OOP is and decide for yourself.
 
Wow :id = $_get[id] ... Why did you learn that ..
 

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