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11:00 PM
Horribly non-feminist of me to say, but DAMN she's hot: http://youtu.be/UwJRFClybmk If that's the reason you clicked, you're the problem.
 
I can think it but you can't.
Unless it's some lured attempt at attention.
 
I really dunno what that is ...
I can't click the video though
because you have to observe that the girl is hot, and so I might be clicking it because she's hot, and I don't wanna be that guy ...
so whatever, I can't watch the video, and feel bad for observing that as a matter of fact, that girl is attractive ...
 
When you first posted that tweet I saw the link before SO one-boxed it and I clicked on it. If you go directly to the tweet you can see how hot or not-hot this particular person is without ever watching the video.
 
The video is a old and popular youtuber who blogs about sex related things.
Never found it interesting myself but I am aware of her. Lacie or something.
She's featured in that song Weeze - Pork and Beans with many other e-famous peoples.
 
@JoeWatkins You're not missing a whole bunch. She's saying a bunch of stuff that I fundamentally agree with, but it's conveyed in a way that makes me long to disagree with her.
 
11:09 PM
@cspray yeah ... I done that, and I can see that she is hot, so if I'm being honest and I don't want to be "a problem" I can't watch the video ... so what the fuck was the point in the tweet ... other than to confuse and anger me, obviously ...
 
But tbh (and this is probably a comment that some will find unacceptable and I apologise but it's true) 99% of girls voices with American accents grate on me
 
:D
 
It's like they are running their fingernails down the blackboard of my soul. I can't really put my finger on why, either, it just does.
 
/shrug, I can't begin to speculate about the meaning of her tweet other than I feel there are better ways to talk about gender related issues in the tech industry (which I assume she was alluding to).
 
Feminists are about equality but realistically they should be called Equalists no?
Egalitarianism
 
11:11 PM
Let's not open that can of worms
 
Agree.
 
@DaveRandom lol
it is a can of worms ... but ... probably don't shy away from discussing it ... that probably doesn't help ...
 
Maybe, but though I have the opinion I am not 'motivated' enough to argue it :P
 
yeah I've got nothing much to say about it either ... other than to observe that it's obviously a problem because the evidence says that it is ...
 
@JoeWatkins I was referring to the naming issue more than anything else
 
11:14 PM
phil wrote on his blog that he couldn't believe that someone was working in this industry and didn't believe it existed
 
@JoeWatkins I agree that it should be discussed but is a couple dudes chatting about gender issues seems like a waste of time. It would help if there was some female developer to chat with to actually have a more productive discussion.
Well, I find that hard to believe too. It is pretty obvious and apparent.
 
You don't have to be female to be a feminist :)
 
I really wanted to respond to that ... I don't think that's fair at all really, it's a matter of fact that I have never met a female programmer in person and didn't know the name of any until about 2 years ago, so if you hadn't come across it, it might just be because you are busy ... like me ...
 
Well, I think that's the thing. How long have you been working in this industry and never met a female programmer? Now, I realize there's all kinds of things that lead to this happening but that just seems, ya know, odd
 
11:17 PM
@cspray @CarrieKendall was here before but she's probably had this discussion in here enough times already
 
@DaveRandom Yea, I could imagine it getting a little old for those wanting to discuss it
 
@JoeWatkins I'm engaged to the only one I've ever met outside a conference
 
I personally just go about my business and just treat people with respect regardless of their gender.
I've never met a female developer. I've talked to some on the Internet and there was 1 in my programming 101 course the 1 semester of school I took.
I have no idea if she's actually working in the industry though.
 
2 at my work
 
Desperate to make sarcastic comment but sarcasm doesn't tend to carry well on the intarnet
 
11:19 PM
maybe ten years before that .. I never really thought of that ... but to counter the feeling that it's odd, the observation that I haven't met in person 95% of the people I have worked for and never will, I could have worked with females and not known it, I've never asked what genitals someone has before telling them to rewrite code or let me do it ... so weird on paper, but actually totally normal ...
 
Not on this topic @DaveRandom
 
^ this
 
I usually append /s to the end of anything I really don't want misconstrued.
 
@JoeWatkins Just for the record, I have both
 
@Fabien Yea, I normally lay the sarcasm on pretty thick but this is one topic that turns on my serious switch.
 
11:21 PM
morning!
 
I taught my wife some HTML. It almost counts.
And no, she didn't take to it well. - Enough to get by until she asks me to help.
 
I find it hard to keep the serious switched on for more than a few minutes at a time. I think it comes from growing up in the north of England, where if you are serious for a long time you get knifed.
 
My wife has taught herself some programming. She knows some basic JS and does HTML/CSS frequently.
 
lol
knifed
 
@DaveRandom Depends on how passionate I am about a given topic. :P
 
11:22 PM
Can't think of many topics I am passionate enough to really get in to.
 
I tried to teach my misses C years ago, she remembers enough to know what I'm talking about when I'm talking at her ...
 
@JoeWatkins Enough to recognise 'programming' and switch off then :D
 
@JoeWatkins Jesus, talk about throwing her in at the deep end
 
i'd want a plush of that ninja elePHPant.. :)
 
Yeah we should get on this ^
 
11:23 PM
morning @reikyoushin
 
@DaveRandom No shit.
I'm pretty sure my wife would just hit me if I tried to get her into C.
 
I'd marry you to teach me C Joe.
 
@JoeWatkins same to you
 
I seem to recall my sister wasn't terrible at qbasic when she was about 8
 
Should get one of those for internals.
Wouldn't fancy the seal coming loose though
 
11:26 PM
Yeh that doesn't look great to me. A good poke with the brush normally works wonders, I find
 
Yeah but can you get it before the water overflows?
 
@JoeWatkins Talking "at her", I've had to make this distinction when "discussing" things of a technical nature with my significant other.
 
tbh it's never overflown IME
 
I have to say I'm not a fan of our new toilet actually, I haven't yet had a non double-flusher scenario
 
She typically just gets up and leaves the room like a dog who farted.
 
11:27 PM
@DaveRandom Just keep a coat hanger near by for zoro'ing the turds.
 
I find that really strange, to me, C is extremely simple, it would seem like a massive task to teach anyone something high level I wouldn't even know where to begin ...
@DanLugg I'm aware of it, she tells me, occasionally though she'll have genuinely useful input ...
 
@JoeWatkins I think your brain operates a little differently.
 
@JoeWatkins Yea, likewise for me.
What's the deal with bait-and-switch feminism?
 
@JoeWatkins I'm starting to actually get it, although I still keep getting suddenly surprised by things I thought I understood
I freely admit that most of the stuff I've written so far has been basically throwing darts across the room blindfolded
 
@DaveRandom GoT?
 
11:36 PM
^^ Gang of Three!?
 
that's a good a way to learn as any ... so long as the darts are being thrown ...
 
No Game of Thrones watchers here?
No spoilers
 
Spoiler - everyone dies.
 
Nope, yet another thing on my "to watch" list
 
@DaveRandom Put it at the top
 
11:39 PM
no worries
 
Good luck not binge watching it too
 
my brother is always talking about that ... I don't get it ...
 
Did you try it?
 
So try it :) When you have a little time.
Prepare for being hit right in the feels though.
 
11:45 PM
isn't it a bit ... harry potter ?
it's not even that I dislike fantasy, but I just can't see much there to get into ... maybe I'll give it a watch ...
 
Oh lord no. They're very very light on the fantasy stuff
There's lots of boob in the first few episodes, so either warn the wife or watch alone.
Think LOTR meets House of Cards
With significantly less mythical elements.
 
haven't seen either of those ...
 
You've not seen Lord Of The Rings?
 
nope
 
Maybe this is why I am no good at C. I apparently spend all my time watching TV/Films :P
 
11:50 PM
apparently :D
 
can someone help me with this I am getting fatal error: cannot access empty property on the foreach loop line
 
no but that's been on in my house and I haven't watched it ... there's no television in here, just two screens ... and I rarely look away from them ...
 
Well should your life find some element of relaxation/peace that isn't programming orientated. GoT is a nice start. LOTR is awesome. HoC is awesome. There's a lot of awesome out there.
 
very difficult to switch off ... you know what happens when I switch off ?? solutions come, and I need to write them down or try them out, and then I'm not switched off anymore ...
 
Maybe a movie will help with that non-problem :)
We'll start small
 
11:54 PM
it can easily be a problem ... I can see myself every day frustrating my misses more and more because she's repeating herself more and more and telling me things over and over again ... don't mean too ...
 
@JoeWatkins Oh mine does that too. I think it's a man thing.
 
phew :)
 
Sometimes I troll her by asking a question to something she already answered. Helps relieve the tension :P
 
also I repeat the start of sentences over and over again .... because I'm still really thinking but trying to respond and I can see her willing me to finish the sentence with her hands, that just makes me stutter more ...
 
> 19:54 <ajf> (I may be going insane)
 
11:56 PM
Other way around for us.
 
@JoeWatkins I sometimes do a depth first search in my brain for the best way to respond to people's questions.....the 15 seconds pause is sometimes awkward.
 
@ircmaxell Be a testament to the awesomeness of GoT; though, you're from the book front.
 
@ircmaxell I liked this bit
> Like CoffeeScript, but less… stabby
@Danack I should maybe try that instead because stuttering makes me look like a bumbling fool ...
 
@JoeWatkins A lot of people who speak at conferences seem to practice saying "That's a great question, thanks for asking" to give them a few seconds of thinking time.
 

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