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4:01 PM
@Second Rikudo you think it's what's being entered into the variable?
 
well ...
the vote didn't work ...
 
lol no. But it wasn't really mean to be serious imo :P
Pick which you like best :)
 
Few days ago someone was using libjit for php. Was that a personal project or to be introduced in php 6
 
that was me, and personal project ...
 
lol
 
4:11 PM
I think JITFU is probably the best for a namespace and name, so I'll use that I think ...
 
O yes Mr.Joe
 
@JoeWatkins Make sense. JoeJitFu can be an alias :P or the dev branch.
 
What is the problem with the hiphop php facebook developed and I read it now
 
4:22 PM
@JoeWatkins four times two votes. Great :-D
 
user image
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(Was lazy and just ninjafied the elephpant)
 
@salathe Beat me to it :-)
What're you using, Illustrator?
 
user895378
@salathe I'm in love with your ninjaphant.
 
Nice @salathe
 
4:39 PM
@salathe as soon as you look away, I'm stealing that picture ...
@ShankarDamodaran that will haunt my dreams ...
 
@JoeWatkins, Yeah found it randomly :) @salathe, Nice job mate :)
 
Nice elephpant! +1
 
4:55 PM
he's mine ...
I stole it ...
 
@JoeWatkins, Plagiarism !!!
:P
 
5:21 PM
evening @Tyrael :)
 
Hi all. I'm having a problem with an error message on modsecurity. Whenever appending a $_GET PHP variable to a php file on the server, I am recieving a CSRF attack warning in the error log. I have been looking for an answer to this, and there are multiple posts from people with the same problem on google, but none of them answered. I was wondering if this was a bug, or what it could be. It's a complete wonder to me. PS In this php page, I have not started a session either.
 
6:21 PM
+1 to @krakjoe for php JITFu - https://github.com/krakjoe/jitfu/ (and I still have libjit commits, I'm sure)
:o
that's gopal ...
 
6:33 PM
Joe, do you like krak :D
 
haha
 
morning.
 
moin @Leri
 
Did not touch computer for whole day. It was kinda relaxing. I need to that more often, I guess.
 
@Leri you lie
 
6:37 PM
haha I have a total of 110-120 hours computer time this week
 
I don't count, wouldn't do me any favours to count ...
 
@AlmaDo Alright, I have just touched it. :D
 
I just counted
:D
that's an estimate
 
@Leri .. and the day isn't over yet. So it's not "for the whole day" :Ъ
 
hahaha Ъ
do you know this letter @AlmaDo
 
6:38 PM
 
of course I do
it's on my keyboard. On second layout
 
what is you mother language?
 
Russian. Is that unknown to anyone in this room yet?
 
haha, to me it was, I am asking cause I am Bulgarian, and as some people know we also use the Cyrillics
haha mine is Pascal :D
 
6:41 PM
mine was C. But now.. :\ I should use it more often to remember. I've tried with php-src, but it's too tough yet
 
Time for weird characters from our lingua francas? :ხ
 
I can't do things working with goto & *** stuff..
also, code is awful. Because... 200+ lines in one function is terrible.
but - yes, I know that we can't do anything with that
 
haha tell me about it
 
@AlmaDo The fact that php-src is implemented weirdly, does not mean C is bad. /me is just kidding. Don't shoot at me :)
 
@Leri huh? You didn't get the idea. C is well. It's just php-src is bad project to remembar C-knowledge.
 
6:45 PM
well
most big projects have about the same level of organization ...
 
php-src .. I can't do anything with myself. But when I imagine it's code, that makes me sad. And when I'm opening it in my IDE, it's make me crying
 
try kernel ;)
an IDE for C !!! ??? !!!
 
yeah
 
what does it do ?
 
@AlmaDo Yeah, because you use zend api more than C in fact. I've spent few month to get what zend api was doing to get started.
 
6:46 PM
highlight syntax errors & some declarations
 
you know gedit has a file browser pane now ??
oh, I guess that's useful ...
 
@Leri May be I'll try another time. Well.. php-internals book is fine. Good explanation & well-formed. In theory all is well, nice-designed (especially I liked part about zval & hash tables), but in real life.. ugh
 
What I miss the most in gedit is intellisense for declarations so I don't have to scroll up to see naming.
 
all I really need is a file browser and a text editing window, syntax highlighting speeds up reading, but I don't really like anything else ... the problem is with any ide when you write a bunch of languages, you download for php, then install a ruby pack, then get autotools going, then java, then some other java things, then it won't work anymore ...
 
PoEAA What is mean really by enterprise?
 
6:49 PM
@JoeWatkins actually, IDE is needed for me because I'm noob. As well as it's not needed for me when I'm writing PHP scripts. 70% that I will write it in 3v4l and.. without syntax errors & getting desired result from 1-st run
 
@AlmaDo Yeah, I don't recommend trying something, because I guess, we'd still have to rewrite for php-ng.
 
I pray on Nikita (:
 
I don't really want to write the same functionality twice, especially in C for two different APIs
 
it's two years away, don't halt innovation while waiting for @internals ...
 
@JoeWatkins So working on master is pretty safe?
 
6:51 PM
respect for all those enlightned guys who're dealing with php-src & actually know how it's working & what's inside. No irony, it's really hard..
 
plus also, the change won't be that involved for most extensions ... not the kind of thing you can't search/replace pretty easy, the only real difference you'll see everywhere is zend_hash api usage and zval*'s and now zval's ...
 
So what can we do with JitFU Joe? What's a good use case?
 
@JoeWatkins Well, for me smart_str is also replaced. Not a fancy thing to rewrite though.
 
@Leri yeah do it ... it's not even like we can work against phpng today because 64bit patch will maybe change things again, so focus on master is fine, if you can and you have a day to kill then maybe get an ng branch going now even, but it's not really necessary ... nice to know what is coming as soon as possible ...
@Leri it's not, just changed structure
@Fabien at the moment, math, manipulation of strings, pretty basic stuff really ... but extremely fast ...
 
@cspray Do you have a concrete example where you need to use the prepare bit of Auryn? I've realised there's another problem, the instance that has been just created is also hardcoded as the first parameter e.g.
        $provider->prepare('\StdClass', function($bar, $obj) {
            $obj->testval = 42;
            $obj->bar = $bar;
        });

        $provider->defineParam('bar', 'bar');
        $obj = $provider->make('StdClass');
 
6:54 PM
next will come structures and unions (not hard), then introducing zvals to the runtime, then a reasonably large utility function table, then literally anything
 
Wish I did stuff complex/cool enough to utilise it :(
 
I don't have a good abstraction of structs/unions yet ... I'm thinking ...
 
fails. We need some sort of way of defining how to pass the just created object into the function, which may be easier to think about with a concrete example. /cc @rdlowrey ^^
 
@JoeWatkins Good to hear. Thanks for information.
Well, I don't want to touch programming today, at all. So later, guys.
 
@Fabien I don't really have a target in mind, this is just me researching really, in the healthiest way I know how ... if it's used, I imagine it will be frameworks that use it, it is complicated for php ...
@Leri lata
 
6:57 PM
Aye
Is it ready for exposure?
 
ening
 
Hey Niki
 
7:16 PM
@NikiC This is going to crash
Horribly.
 
I think so too
Especially the :> part...
 
7:27 PM
@tereško Is the reason you're not a big fan of templating engines like twig due to the scripting that can and usually is done inside the template instead of the page helper?
 
I wonder, how you arrived at this conclusion
 
I'm just reading through parts of it now.
 
@JoeWatkins why is it called JITfu?
Also, looks nice
 
Jit for userland
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/18249483/… Anyone know the answer to this?
 
7:31 PM
I am not a big fan of templating engines, because I find them pointless: php is already a templating language, maintainer of my code shouldnt be forced to learn another language and most of those templating engines are complete nightmare under the hood ... oh and people tend to abuse them
 
So basically because it's jQuery-esque
 
How would you understand that from what he said?
He said it introduces additional overhead, which he believes is not justified...
 
jQuery doesn't have an overhead? And isn't abused as a library?
 
@NikiC meh indeed
I don't see the point of that at all ...
also evening ...
@BenjaminGruenbaum :)
 
7:54 PM
Hey, what's up?
Oh @JoeWatkins is that code similar to what we talked about last time I was here :P?
Pretty cool :)
 
I'm not sure when you were last here ... but probably, been playing with it for a ~week now ...
 
Fabien I think the browser is the view/templating/..
(if you are using a browser..)
 
@NikiC that sounds like ajf … I knew it before looking at the RFC
And yeah. Meh.
 
@Ronnie I am reading about Template Views
 
8:09 PM
 
> This adds up to a total of 5 characters that must be typed, 7 including spaces.
who actually cares ?
 
@NikiC looks like an attempt to make PHP look less like PHP.
 
Transcript:
Hey guys! Take me to my grandma's, I'll pay you with this paper cup
*throws paper cup*
*Screeeech*
Yeah guys! I need to lay down as I travel, perhaps the boot? Can you help me get in? Thanks!
Misunderstood Russia.
 
@JoeWatkins that's the question.
 
@Fabien That's not Russia.
In Russia he would have kidnapped the car.
 
8:14 PM
heh
Is that guy even wearing trousers?
 
Trousers are overrated.
 
There's a rating for trousers?
 
8:31 PM
Well if you google for "rate my trousers" you get some... interestingresults.
 
Indeed it does
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum the are exceptions to every rule. But yes, in general it is not justified
 
8:46 PM
Yeah, that's how I understood what you said, I didn't get how he understood it differently.
 
9:05 PM
Well I was being slightly satirical in the retort for one.
Evidently it wasn't read that way.
 
@GordonM 3 of the top 10 results are about red trousers
Clearly I'm behind the times, I must go and buy some
 
Still wearing baggy trousers?
 
I used to have a pair of red cords when I was about 12, the main thing I remember about them is that they would take on water if you went within 100ft of a puddle and they would take on enough water to triple the weight
 
Poppers were popular when I was around that age.
 
@NikiC Once again we have an RFC with two separate goals.
People don't seem to understand that smaller RFCs are better.
Even in the RFC they are voted on separately.
This should be a big hint.
 
9:11 PM
@Fabien Not really. I always found it hard to buy baggy trousers, I'm 6'4" (have been since ~15) and very skinny. It's pretty hard to find trousers that are 32/36 in general, finding jeans that were long enough and baggy on the legs without leaving about 6 inches of extra waste room is pretty much impossible
 
I feel your pain. I'm 6ft5 and it's mostly legs.
 
Also I used to cycle a lot, it's not about cycling in baggy jeans, so I kind of stopped wearing them then, although I haven't got on a bike for a while now
 
Granted not super skinny but still.
@DaveRandom I find Next actually do some decent long-leg trousers.
 
Actually The Gap works pretty well for me, but I live walking distance from a Gap outlet store and they seem to constantly have a sale on on top of the already cheaper prices
@Fabien Yeh it really is. I am physically unable to drive a lot of smaller cars
particularly French ones, I have found
I drove a 206 for a week once, I could press all 3 pedals at once with one foot, which led to a few hairy experiences
My mate had a mini when we were ~18, I only went in it once and that was the last time I ever plan to get in one
I'm pretty certain I could have driven it from the back seat
 
lol
36XL on the trousers. Dunno what XL is.
I learnt to drive in a toyota yaris. Knees up by the steering wheel
 
9:18 PM
+23 for this. I hate 2 1/2 years ago me
 
36/37 - That's the measurement.
 
@Fabien lol yeh I've been there as well. Although my friend has the current yaris model and it is a lot roomier on the passenger side than the previous model, not driven in though so don't know if it's any better to drive
 
Why not update the answer now?
 
I learned in the smallest model micra for weeks, then I switched to BSM and the guy had a vectra and I have like 4 lessons in that before I took my test. I was shitting it a bit until I got in that car that I was just a shit driver and then I found it was just a shit car I had been driving
 
heh
 
9:21 PM
(don't get me wrong, I'm still a shit driver)
 
Anyhoo, gym time. bbl
 
At this time on a Sunday? Madness
 
Gotta be better than me @DaveRandom Last time I drove I was on my test 9 years ago :D
Prefer to go when it's not busy. And usually not long before bed is best.,
pea soup
 
Jesus, you should have some refresher lessons whenever you decide to do it again
strawpoll.me/1799123/r <-- The internet has spoken. Lusitanian's Mother is the clear winner @JoeWatkins
3
 
9:38 PM
@DaveRandom Done
 
lol
 
 
2 hours later…
11:16 PM
@DaveRandom lol yes. I do wonder when if ever I will drive again. Amazing that I can legally though.
 

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