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anyone know anything about laravel?
 
nope
nobody
 
useless
that's what you are maxell
 
lol, stop being a toy @DaringToZlatan
 
4:04 PM
sike, but seriously: anyone know about laravel?
not sure what that means
 
@ircmaxell it's codeigniter .. bets option is to just stop caring about it
 
nope. nobody.
 
what's a laravel, can I find those on the interweb ?
sounds like some kind of insect grub, is it that ?
 
lol alright guys, it was an honest question
i just need some help
 
ask your question ...
 
4:08 PM
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Q: Model, Database Error in Laravel

DaringToZlatanI'm building an app in Laravel 4 to help me learn and improve at building apps with PHP, Blade, and Laravel. The app's key functionality is messaging, which I'm trying to add to the app with a package available on GitHub. The package is CMYGYR's Laravel-Messenger: https://github.com/cmgmyr/larave...

it's more of a model error now
 
@DaringToZlatan Why in the hell would you post screenshots of code rather than posting code directly
 
because i didnt feel like typing
gawwhhhh
 
@PaulCrovella because you will steal his work too easily otherwise :D
 
what? its not like you guys have never been n00bs
 
4:10 PM
 
its all open source @ziGi
so, are we over the screenshots yet?
 
@DaringToZlatan the difference is that for the most of the people in this chat room the natural action is to "find the answer" instead of "ask for an answer"
 
i'm trying to find the answer @tereško
i was updating my progress in my questions, so others might help me out
i mean that's what S.O. is for, right?
 
@DaringToZlatan That's infuriating. Seriously. You are asking other people for help. You are asking people to spend their time solving your problem, but you won't put in the time yourself to simply put in your code.
 
Have you read the question? I've spent the last few hours testing it
 
4:13 PM
@DaringToZlatan no
 
I've hit a dead-end, I'm asking for some help
 
we don't feel like helping ...
 
SO is about asking questions, not getting other people to debug your code for you
 
you think I haven't consulted Google
 
If there's something you don't understand, fine, ask about that specific thing
 
4:14 PM
fine
ModelNotFoundException errors in Laravel
anyone know about those?
 
^ ask a better question
 
@DaringToZlatan What's wrong with the highest-voted answer in that question?
someone took the time to write you an answer, and you haven't replied to it
 
well .. it's kinda self explanatory: the "model" was not found
 
boy, you guys really aren't helping
I've wrote enough in there to prove his answer was wrong
like literally I left two comments and another answer
 
@DaringToZlatan where? I see no comments on his answer
 
4:16 PM
its on the question
n00b mistake, i know
 
he gave an answer to his question instead of a comment
 
@ziGi and it's been flagged
 
expecting it to be a comment to the first answer
@ircmaxell yes, and it should be because that is not how SO works
 
Good morning php
 
s/should work/works/
 
4:19 PM
Laravel sure has "pretty" code static::find(...)
 
can only three days in chat change someone's opinion that much? First day I was like "man teresko is sooo cranky" now I'm like "what the shit that guy is soooo patient how can he even bother anymore?". and you've been here for years ??
 
@DaringToZlatan the problem you're making is not distilling the problem / descriptions enough. If you can't fit the reason why the answer is wrong in a simple comment on the answer, then perhaps you don't understand it well enough. Take some time to actually try to narrow down the problem and explain it as simply as possible. Try to remove as much of the unrelated information as possible, and you'll find that usually your question will answer itself by that process.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier patient is not the word I'd use... But :-)
 
Very well said
Anthony
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you are right, it depends whether you take the time to formulate your questions properly because if you don't, usually people won't be patient enough to take the time, and why should they, However, if you do it properly, I can say that people here are really generous as it comes to helping you with a lot of useful knowledge
 
4:23 PM
public function show($id)
{
    try {
        $thread = Thread::findOrFail($id);
    } catch(\Illuminate\Database\Eloquent\ModelNotFoundException $e) {
        // throw some error here
        return View::make('messenger.invalid-thread');
    }
    $userId = Auth::user()->id;
    $users = User::whereNotIn('id', $thread->participantsUserIds($userId))->get();
    $thread->markAsRead($userId);
    return View::make('messenger.show', compact('thread', 'users'));
}
^^ shit like that is precisely why many say Laravel is crap
 
left-eye starts twitching uncontrollably
 
extremely terrible ...
 
findOrFail huh?
 
muahahhahahaha
 
well if it can't find it it will fail
what is the purpose
 
4:24 PM
exceptions are not flow control
findorfail may be OK to build, but not in a case where you'd ever expect it to fail...
 
it fails if 0 records are returned, which is awkward
 
ThW
@PaulCrovella it is possible to optimize the XMLReader iteration, too. See this example: stackoverflow.com/a/23079179/2265374
 
Why do you think did they wrote the make function in the View class to be static?
 
@ThW That depends on the structure of the document, which I don't know
 
that's a facade, right ? so maybe not static ...
 
4:27 PM
@JoeWatkins please tell me that was sarcastic
 
I am worndering
how is a facade static?
 
ThW
@PaulCrovella You mean Book elements inside Book elements?
 
@ThW As unlikely as it is, it is possible from the information given.
 
what does one have to do with the other
 
4:28 PM
@ircmaxell well it is static, but there's probably a method somewhere too I mean ... I hear you don't have to use facades ...
 
ThW
true, haven't thought about that.
 
I'm editing my answer right now with your suggestion, btw
 
ThW
:-)
 
I know they're not facades, I know they are static, but you don't have to write code that way ...
 
you don't need to, but the fact that people are is the problem
and the fact that it's marketed as "not static" is horse-shit
 
4:30 PM
A confirmation for that is Yii2 and Laravel and CakePHP and Zend 2
at least from what I have worked with
 
agree, it creates terrible code and skewed perceptions ...
 
Oh nice! A Laravel discussion. I'm in.
 
are you for or against?
 
I wouldn't touch a full stack framework with someone else's shitty stick, laravel included ... in case not clear ...
 
Neither for nor against
 
4:32 PM
neutral?
or just interested in what people think
 
@ircmaxell saw that just now ...
 
@ziGi I worked with it on a few projects. It has some really cool concepts. But some things just suck. And one of the most annoying things is it's service location
 
There is a service locator?
 
This was an interesting day. I asked this question:
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Q: What is the endianness of binary literals in C++11?

Levi MorrisonI have tried searching around but have not been able to find much about binary literals and endianness. Are binary literals little-endian, big-endian or something else (such as matching the target platform)? As an example, what is the decimal value of 0b0111? Is it 7? Platform specific? Somethin...

It got -4 downvotes and a close-vote almost immediately.
I then asked:
I am genuinely curious: what are the down-votes and close-votes for? I am active on SO, but not the C++ community. What is bad about this question? It doesn't seem to be a duplicate, and it's a direct technical question. Can I get some further direction, please? — Levi Morrison 8 mins ago
 
4:35 PM
well: App::make('SomeClass')
 
And now magically I have a positive score.
Seems to me that a question is bad by default on SO until the author defends why it is a good question.
 
or all of the other "facades"
 
I see
 
@ircmaxell stop .. reading ... it
 
@ThomasDavidPlat and what do you consider to be great
 
4:37 PM
@LeviMorrison holy crap, that is a whole bunch of people entirely missing the point of a pretty obvious question
 
"OMG NUB C AND C++ HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ENDIANNESS" -1
 
@ziGi I like the DIC or it's service provisioning in general
 
Still, at least there is a good answer to it
 
@ThomasDavidPlat yeah, the dic is nice but I don't like that you have to write yaml for the dependencies
 
That's the first time I hear about that
 
4:40 PM
hm
oh, sorry I am thinking about symphony 2
 
github.com/bcit-ci/CodeIgniter/pull/3208/files#r22052710 <-- yes, because that's the formatting problem with that code...
 
@DaveRandom I wasn't completely sure about the answer, but it's critical to me that I get it correct. Since I don't own a big-endian machine it made it a good candidate for asking.
Or so I thought.
 
yep Symfony does that
but I discovered auryn and consider it to be a pretty decent dic
 
@LeviMorrison do you have a copy of the spec?
 
@ThomasDavidPlat That's because we designed it to be a pretty decent utility ^^
@DaveRandom No.
 
4:41 PM
I totally agree
 
Remember: There are no stupid questions. Only stupid developers.
 
well I think Auryn is pretty easy to use and easy to read
the code
 
I am fairly certain C++ gives you the capabilities to do a cross-platform, safe, tagged pointer:
class alignas(8) TaggedPointer {
        static constexper uintptr_t tag_mask = 0b0111;
        static constexper uintptr_t ptr_mask = ~0b0111 & UINTPTR_MAX;
        union {
                uintptr_t bits;
                void *ptr;
        };

public:
        TaggedPointer(void *p, uintptr_t t) : ptr(p) {
                bits = t & tag_mask;
        }

        uintptr_t get_tag() const {
                return bits & tag_mask;
        }

        void * get_ptr() const {
                return bits & ptr_mask;
 
well, 0b0111 has no concept of endian-ness
since endian-ness is about byte-order not bit-order
 
But that matters across bytes.
Maybe it's a bad example, though.
 
4:44 PM
well, if you were talking 0b00000000000001111, then yes
 
Ugh, I am loathed to use ext/soap but it's starting to look like the best way
 
@LeviMorrison I know it is not really relevant to your problem, but what is this class used for exactly?
 
/me is not looking forward to the next couple of working weeks
 
@ziGi Ah, it's fairly common to need to store a pointer to one of several types (but never pointers to two of them).
This allows you to store only one pointer and know which one it is but only use the space of a pointer.
 
hey guys, if a class extends another class, it inherits the static variables too?
 
4:46 PM
It's a memory layout optimization at the cost of complexity ^^
@PedroPinheiro No. But the answer to the question you meant to ask is probably yes.
 
@LeviMorrison Ahh, so that's why the LSB never being set was significant
I wondered why that little titbit of info was actually useful when you said it
 
C++ is a closed book to... and it will ever be. I would rather learn every idiom of the chinese language.
 
I see, and why do you single out only the last 3 bits in this case?
 
was the question ambiguous? o.o
 
4:48 PM
@DaveRandom Correct. And in C++11 you can specify an alignment so it's a bit more safe than trusting the default allocator.
The example I gave is a bit too simple to be useful, but that's the basics of the idea.
 
@ziGi Because the alignment of 8 means that the bottom three bits will never be used in the pointer value.
So I can use those bits to represent which pointer type it is.
 
what the actual fuck...
 
Seems like a serious micro-optimisation though @LeviMorrison, you're basically gaining <=56 bytes of mem at the cost of a bunch of extra CPU cycles and branches?
 
@DaveRandom Extra CPU cycles, yes. Branches will be the same no matter if you packed them inside the pointer bits or not.
 
4:51 PM
Nobody read this far. — Dan Lugg 30 secs ago
 
But you do have to do the masking, yes.
But it's actually by no means a micro-optimization.
 
I can see it being useful in embedded systems where system resources are at a premium, I suppose
 
@DanLugg Wait, did he answer it or just post an update as an answer???
 
@DaveRandom If you have an array of optimized vs non-optimized you are wasting 56 bytes on ever value.
 
@LeviMorrison Ok, I do understand now. Is it easier to do it using the bottom three bits instead of the top. Isn't it more logical that the type is before the pointer?
 
4:52 PM
Not sure, don't care :-P
 
@LeviMorrison Wouldn't a union make more sense though?
 
@DaveRandom But you still have to know which value it is. You have to store that somewhere.
 
@LeviMorrison The code is UB though ;)
 
@NikiC UB?
 
undefined behavior
 
4:53 PM
@NikiC Which part?
 
@LeviMorrison Ahh right
 
@LeviMorrison The way you access the union
 
@NikiC Hmm... not sure I follow. Can you explain?
(And in any case I can just store a uintptr_t and cast so there isn't a union; I'm just curious why it's undefined behavior currently)
Oh, found a coding mistake in any case.
 
@LeviMorrison Well right now there isn't. But assuming you mean bits |= t & tag_mask you assigned the ptr member of the union but read from bits
but don't worry, everybody does that kind of thing, the compiler isn't likely to optimize your code away
 
In any case I don't need to use a union.
It's safe to convert a uintptr_t to a pointer (assuming you properly manage which pointer ^^)
 
4:58 PM
yes, that's defined
btw, I also have this: nikic.github.io/2012/02/02/… With code for a few different variations of value tagging
but it's two years old, I'm sure I talked a bunch of crap back then
 
I am familiar with the article. I was mostly thinking that C++11 allows you to be a bit more safe about it.
 
Because it supports alignas?
 
That's a big part, yes.
It has a few more rules about void* conversions as well.
 
posted on December 18, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by Boothbabe */

 
@NikiC uintptr_t and friends make it easier too.
(less ./configure work to figure out type sizes and stuff)
 
5:06 PM
@LeviMorrison well, those were available previously as well
 
But not guaranteed to be available in C++
Just C99.
 
ah okay
well, looks like it's optional in any case ;)
 
uintptr_t specifically is optional?
Ah, I guess they are technically all optional.
 
@LeviMorrison It's optional in C99 and likely also in C++11
but nobody gives a damn ^^
 
Right ^^
I guess the correct verbiage is "perhaps more likely to exist because it is standardized (though optional)".
My example is really too simple to be of value. More likely you have a specific type that needs to be a tagged pointer and you code that need exactly.
Such as a closure with a tagged pointer to either a ClassEntry* or a zval* context (thisptr).
 
5:12 PM
@LeviMorrison yes, you can likely do something nice with variadics to make the whole thing typesafe and not require manually specifying any tags etc
TaggesPtr<ClassEntry, zval> foo; foo.is<zval>(); ^^
 
Perhaps, yeah.
@NikiC Theoretically it could be so nice to have that for parsing PHP parameters.
 
@LeviMorrison for most cases you wouldn't even have to parse explicitly. We could just use normal signatures ^^
 
@NikiC I was reading up on folly's DiscriminatedPtr... my goodness they make some assumptions I would never make.
> We rely on the fact that pointers have their most significant 16 bits clear on x86_64.
 
5:27 PM
Who knows about xsd?
 
@LeviMorrison It's a relatively good assumption ;)
 
Not seen hakre for a while, actually
 
I guess you'd need to have 256TB of memory for it to matter (I think; may be off here since I ballparked it)
 
What they can actually assume is that they are either all clear or all one. As on x86-64 pointers are sign-extend 48bit
 
@DaveRandom Ask....the ancient knowledge may return...
 
5:29 PM
@NikiC Is that guaranteed or "guaranteed kind of like uintptr_t existing"?
 
@Danack I've just come across two things I've never seen before, which is a) an "abstract" complextype, and b) an <element> with no type="". I can imagine how abstract types work, but what do I do with the element with no type? Assume it can hold anything, or assume it doesn't exist?
The inheritors don't seem to actually "define" it
 
@DaveRandom Presumably it will have some attributes defined on it - and you can put rules in place for those attributes w3schools.com/schema/schema_complex_empty.asp
 
@LeviMorrison I think it's part of the x86-64 ISA spec, but don't take my word on it
 
e.g. an img tag in xhtml is empty, but has useful attributes.
 
I am fairly certain there aren't any motherboards out there that support 256TB or RAM, but there is software that allows you to use "distributed memory" via a memory map that would.
Addresses in certain bit ranges map to certain machines, etc.
 
5:34 PM
@Danack E_W3SCHOOLS :-P
 
x86-64 (also known as x64, x86_64 and AMD64) is the 64-bit version of the x86 instruction set. It supports vastly larger amounts (theoretically, 264 bytes or 16 exbibytes) of virtual memory and physical memory than is possible on its 32-bit predecessors, allowing programs to store larger amounts of data in memory. x86-64 also provides 64-bit general purpose registers and numerous other enhancements. The original specification was created by AMD, and has been implemented by AMD, Intel, VIA, and others. It is fully backwards compatible with 16-bit and 32-bit x86 code.The full x86 16-bit and 32-bit...
 
But yeh, doesn't seem to really define anything about itself
 
Not totally clear, but it does say that "In addition, the AMD specification requires that bits 48 through 63 of any virtual address must be copies of bit 47 (in a manner akin to sign extension), or the processor will raise an exception."
 
<s:complexType name="EntityBaseCore" abstract="true">
  <s:sequence>
    <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1" name="Tag"/>
  </s:sequence>
</s:complexType>
^ that's what I'm talking about @Danack
 
I suppose eventually we'll support true 64 bit memory address though.
 
5:36 PM
It seems like the content should be "overridable" or something, but nothing else seems to reference that <Tag> anywhere and responses that actually contain the final concrete type don't have that member
 
Anyway, that assumption is less restrictive than requiring 64 bit platforms (I am fairly certain it does, anyway; that or it always uses 64 bits for DiscriminatedPtr).
 
@DaveRandom Yeah....it can still have useful stuff defined on the empty element e.g. <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1" name="Tag" type="s:boolean"/>
And I guess the lack of type just means it can be anything....i.e. is a shitty xsd.
So just assume it can hold anything....I guess.
 
I might just give it a type of string, it's screwing up my codegen
 
5:54 PM
@NikiC I guess changing a value of uintptr_t before converting back to a pointer is undefined behavior (or so it would seem based on what I have read)
 
hmm… how do I figure out with mysql how many identical words (means what fulltext index considers as word) exist in two text fields?
 
6:06 PM
hello guys...does anyone here is using mysql workbench?
i´m having trouble connecting...
 
6:40 PM
I'm having another go at this because last time I asked a question this whole chat room collapsed on me
But can anyone tell me why I'm receiving a ModelNotFoundException in my laravel app if my database's tables are correctly configured to the model that's not being found?
I mean if you have your model written, defined, correctly configured etc...
Then you should be able to call it's methods within a Controller, right?
 
if nobody answered you, it's probably because not many of us are familiar with laravel
 
well I got answers @FlorianMargaine, it's just many were rude and unhelpful
 
yeah, we don't really like laravel.
 
mhmm still, not a great excuse for lambasting a total stranger
 
6:48 PM
@DaringToZlatan You didn't read what people said. You dumped a whole load of screenshots for people to sift through rather than asking a simple question that people could actually attempt to answer.
 
@DaringToZlatan did you see my last response to you?
 
yea dude, and before I go back to changing my oh-so-imperfect first ever question on SO I thought I'd stop back here and try to ask a simple question
 
specifically:
 
"can anyone tell me why I'm receiving a ModelNotFoundException in my laravel app if my database's tables are correctly configured to the model that's not being found?"
 
2 hours ago, by ircmaxell
@DaringToZlatan the problem you're making is not distilling the problem / descriptions enough. If you can't fit the reason why the answer is wrong in a simple comment on the answer, then perhaps you don't understand it well enough. Take some time to actually try to narrow down the problem and explain it as simply as possible. Try to remove as much of the unrelated information as possible, and you'll find that usually your question will answer itself by that process.
 
6:49 PM
"I mean if you have your model written, defined, correctly configured etc..."
"Then you should be able to call it's methods within a Controller, right?"
I'm not trying to argue, man, honest
And I've been working on my code trying to solve it--but to no avail
 
distill your question down
there's a TON of unrelated information in it
 
pardon?
 
remove all screen shots
 
I'm asking the chat room right now
I'll get to that later
at the moment I'm trying to test if this question I'm asking here is a simple enough question
then ill go in and make my changes
 
@DaringToZlatan that's already been answered by the first answer to your question:
> You're using the Eloquent::findOrFail() method. If a Thread with your specified $id isn't found in the database, findOrFail() throws the ModelNotFoundException (see: laravel.com/api/4.2/Illuminate/Database/Eloquent/… - "Find a model by its primary key or throw an exception.")
 
6:53 PM
Wow dude
like a dog chasing its tail
ok, so check this out:
after doing hours of testing I came up with evidence that the issue isn't just findOrFail
it's not that Thread's information isnt in the database
it's that for whatever the Model is Not Being Found
 
insult us one more time and you'll be kicked
some of us are trying to help you help yourself
 
slow down man, you're the one bringing the heat
I'm honestly just asking for help
the issue is the model is not being found for whatever reason
the information in the database is there
the model is set up in the models directory
the db and its tables are correctly configured
but when I try to use my controller's show function I'm told the Model can't be found
that it doesn't exist
when I'm pretty sure that's not the case
 
.. you keep using that name
 
name?
 
"model"
 
7:01 PM
the Thread model
 
but what you are talking about are active record instances
 
mmmmm Idk
 
@tereško don't even bother
 
I've never heard of active record being used in laravel
but im hear to learn
here *lol
 
@ircmaxell you're right about that
 
7:02 PM
so can i get a quick rundown?
sigh
 
let me ask you a question
did you ever check to see what $id was in the show method?
 
also, I finished watching DrWho 8th season
aside from few silly episodes, it actually was really good
 
nice, I never got into DrWho
 
you should try
it's cheesy
but the stories are often quite interesting
(but the season 1 (2005) will be really cheep-looking)
my recommendation, @ircmaxell
 
fair enough
I don't know...
 
7:18 PM
@ircmaxell yea its a value that's being passed in through the route to shows view
and it's being used to match the Thread to it's corresponding row in db
 
and have you confirmed that it's the value that you expect it to be?
aka: 17?
 
yes sir
 
more specifically int(17)
 
7:56 PM
"money cant buy happiness” hmm I think that you’re using money wrong
2
 
8:07 PM
hey @ircmaxell any ideas on that show method?
 
Oh my god... It's dead. It's finally gone. tsrm_ls is gone from php-src. http://t.co/vKVOhd1wsn
3
 
8:23 PM
@ircmaxell why a guest post on igor's blog?
 
why not?
 
@ircmaxell only scrolled, but looks cool
 
@ircmaxell looks neat
 
is it intentionally no-objects-at-all?
 
8:26 PM
@NikiC yes
although there doesn't really seem to be a natural place where objects would make a huge difference
sure we could extract out the individual compilation rules
 
@ircmaxell Only the state structure, from a quick glance
 
but that's not a "clear" benefit
ah, yes. In an earlier version that was an object, but then we refactored it out
 
That's where a class with declared properties would have been nicer than the array
 
well, part of it was done in prep for our interpreters tutorial at Benelux
and we decided early on that we should have a simple rule: no classes
 
And also you wouldn't have to pass the array around by-reference
 
8:29 PM
it's a bit limiting, but it forces you to look at what you're doing rather than trying to abstract things
the state object wouldn't be an abstraction, but it's not strictly needed either. Could it be an object? sure
 
@ircmaxell I think it would just be nice syntax wise really
no refs, -> notation, declared properties (autocomplete)
 
fair enough
 
but I get your point, if you have a no-objects rule then no-objects it is :)
 
@ircmaxell @PeeHaa gist.github.com/rlemon/a65ea957396ca01194a1 this script will detect gifs (reasonably) and auto gifbin them after 45 seconds
 
8:34 PM
shit.. it doesn't check to see what room you are in.
 
@ircmaxell Also, as a fan of Intel notation the order of the operands is really weird :D
 
yeah, it was what igor picked in the prior edition
but as long as its consistent, it shouldn't really matter, right?
 
nope
 
posted on December 18, 2014 by Anthony Ferrara

I have the honor today of writing a guest blog post on Igor Wiedler's Blog about Compilers. If you don't know @igorwhiletrue, he's pretty much the craziest developer that I know. And crazy in that genious sort of way. He's been doing a series of blog posts about Stack Machines and building complex runtimes from simple components. Well, today I authored a guest post on compiling code to run on s

 
I just find intel more intuitive than atnt
 
8:36 PM
yeah, makes sense
but in this case,
add a b c <-- makes sense in AT&T, since a+b->c... I know the reverse would be a=b+c which also makes sense, but I like the "do this, and store it here" convention
 
@ircmaxell anyway, it's really nice. I like the simplicity
 
thanks :-)
here's an earlier version of the source of the whole thing (private, for a few reasons): gist.github.com/ircmaxell/0eb0c73cb50bcca2639c 168 lines of code for the compiler, interpreter and all bootstrap code (including a sample)
 
8:51 PM
@ircmaxell You really like writing compilers, don'tcha?
 
it's fun :-)
 
yep
I wrote a Lisp interpreter in PHP :D
 
want to get fancy? Write a lisp compiler into PHP
so we can run lisp on our PHP while we run lisp on our PHP
 
oh god
problem: every time I try to create the perfect language, I end up with Haskell (completely serious)
what do I do
Also guys, wanna see a magic trick?
It's called "make Anthony Ferrara run away with just three words"
 
@salathe Looks like my PhpStorm license expired, do we have a new one?
 
8:58 PM
Three... two... one... Scalar Type Hinting!
and poof - @ircmaxell has disappeared!
 
Wait, we get free PHPStorm licenses?
 
@salathe Thanks, didn't know it was in the wiki now
 

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