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1:00 PM
working on that
 
did a course on php
 
now full focus on oop & databases
but they all show me how to connect via Mysqli
and i've heard people talk about Mysqli and about PDO
 
1:01 PM
once loves this, the other loves that
 
@Danack it's not only about the connection. Also queries need to be sync. I cannot pass a callback to be executed in case of successful query execution for example.
 
You can master both of them @MichaelDesmadril, just start by trying it out today. If you get stuck, feel free to come and ask
 
PDO libraries @Michael
 
@BhavikPatel that's crap
@BhavikPatel that's also crap
 
1:02 PM
why?
 
@Danack I'd be surprised if it'd be even usable in async envs like Amp.
 
@PeeHaa cv question author's website
 
@BhavikPatel because they are badly written .. to the point that one could see them as "harmful"
 
@DaveRandom @Danack @Fabor see this (good xmas present for nerds)
 
if you want me to do a full code-review of yours, I could do that after ~6 hours (I'm at works ATM), @BhavikPatel
 
1:04 PM
@DaveRandom Or 11 year old nephews.
 
@Jimbo also ^^^
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Hooly, crap.
@DaveRandom Oh nice idea, buying...
 
@SergeyTelshevsky ahahaha
 
@ter
@tereško no need of that. I am trying to help Michael
 
1:05 PM
then don't tell him to use libraries
instead you should be linking him to something like @HamZa did
 
Don't star that
 
.. ok ok
=P
 
lol
today is a special day in room 11 hahaha
 
it is?
 
or is it everyday like this lol?
 
1:07 PM
@bwoebi MySQLND already has polling of connections available without extension: php.net/manual/en/mysqli.poll.php
 
Well, i don't want to use libraries
where is the knowledge in that
everybody can copy paste nowadays
 
@Danack polling no, that's not what I need.
 
> PHP runs on various platforms (Windows, Linux, Unix, Mac OS X, etc.)
 
i actualy want to understand what is happening
 
1:07 PM
@MichaelDesmadril You sound like a man of 90. "I don't want to use this. I can't handle new stuff".
 
No, i'm 30 and i want to have the knowledge
 
@Danack I want it async, not having to manually poll. That's the issue.
 
not a young teenie who is into copy pasting
 
@MichaelDesmadril Using libraries isn't copy / pasting...
 
don't feel offended
 
1:09 PM
@MichaelDesmadril Using libraries isn't copy pasting. You still have to make the relevant calls to the library API
 
nice spirit but in production you don't need to re-invent the wheel since:
- You most likely don't know how to do it better
- Your boss is paying you to get the job done right and as quick as possible
 
This is 2014, everybody can make decent websites know without ANY knowledge of ANY language
 
@Danack when I poll I either block the whole event loop (synchronously) or I have to poll at every single tick (inefficient).
 
@MichaelDesmadril Oh. We're not talking plain old website development here
 
1:09 PM
There's a difference between someone who builds websites, and someone who uses php to build robust back-end systems
 
@MichaelDesmadril We have wordpress already for that :P
 
where would you put someone who builds websites (handmade) who makes his own dynamic login, database etc...for things like clubs, etc...small things...not for massive companies etc...
do you suggest someone like that to use wordpress?
why? What is wrong with coding this manualy?
 
because using wordpress, it takes you 2 days instead of 2 weeks
 
Web developer who sells his soul to make shitty, forgettable disposable websites
 
1:11 PM
@Jimbo great one
 
@Danack I anyway already have a fair bit done. Implemented the handshake, the complete text based protocol, multi-statements, ... Next to do is prepared statements, then clean up the auth stuff for alternate auth methods and then just add ssl & compression. That's all what's left.
 
... or more
 
Or, you work on a team to build the back-end, and the front-end do the JS and CSS and other pretty stuff
 
@Jimbo Now your looking at things through a designers eye
not a developers
 
But many wordpress don't know how php works
 
1:12 PM
@MichaelDesmadril Nope, Dev's eye...
 
@Jimbo Your mum has robust back-end systems.
 
@DaveRandom LOL, bastard :P
 
i ment it otherwise
 
hahaha
 
1:13 PM
@bwoebi btw I've mentioned this before - but just to remind you. For everyone who has the ping enabled, editing your message every time is not nice.
 
you look at it through a developers eye, not through a designers eye
 
@FlorianMargaine depends on the project, actually
 
Which is why I'm a Dev, not a Designer.
 
@MichaelDesmadril do you build your own "libraries" or are you re-inventing the wheel for every single project?
 
1:13 PM
Ofcourse not
but lets say your a designer....
 
@Danack sorry, I just hate typos in my messages :-(
 
and someone props up with wordpress...
where is the freedom?
 
@HamZa I write my own libraries =P
 
@tereško I think the main difference here is: you know what you're doing
 
heh .. that's debatable
 
1:14 PM
7 mins ago, by Michael Desmadril
Well, i don't want to use libraries
I'll just leave this here...
 
@MichaelDesmadril you shouldn't use libraries for the basic stuff (especially since you are learning), but for stuff like "facebook login" or "image resizing" or "mail sender" you should be using libs
 
I know this would sound a bit stupid, but what is the purpose to have a factory class that is called like that $fooFactory->build('Foo') instead of just calling new Foo() what is the benefit of having the factory class ?
 
with "basic stuff" I mean things like "connection to database" of "showing a list of articles"
 
Hi
I have a question about MYSQL and PHP
 
shoot! =]
 
1:19 PM
@ziGi You can dependency inject the factory
You can't easily DI an object which contains constructor parameters if they aren't known at compile time, but runtime only
 
@Jimbo true, I have seen that many people do it
 
@ziGi actually, it would be a "builder". And it should be called as $factory->create($config). The benefit's are deferring of instantiation (if you are creating SOAP connection, you might not need it always). It also lets you decouple the code for unit-testing.
 
@tereško What's in $config?
 
@tereško can you help?
 
@Mubeen1992 please don't ask to ask a question or ask if people will help before you have asked the question...
 
1:21 PM
@Jimbo stuff that will govern how the Foo instance is set up. For example, config can contain some flags. Look up "difference between builder and factory" ... or something like that.
 
@tereško yes, I get it now, basically you can make 2 different factories (one normal, one mock) that produce different objects, that way when you test you can easily swap out the creation of the Foo, Bar etc. only by changing the factory
 
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Q: Password Storage - Self Encryption vs Hashing?

Rahil AroraSelf Encryption: Encrypting a password using the password itself (as a symmetric key). Basically, by doing this, I'll get random data as an output. Now, in order to retrieve the password from this encrypted data, I must know the key. That is, I must know the password itself. Doesn't this property...

lol
 
Also just please don't ping random people even if you have asked a question @Mubeen1992
 
@ziGi yes, that is one of the usecases. Another important aspect is that not all dependencies are always used in a class.
 
@DaveRandom okay, I have some product as stock in DATABASE
I am adding some products and their new price time to time in stock
 
1:24 PM
and in case of some dependencies, the instantiation is expensive (hence, the "SOAP connection" as example)
 
@HamZa that's... weird.
 
@tereško and by deferring you mean you can assign anonymous functions that create an instance when needed only like this -> pastebin.com/rGEkY3Vu
 
Now problem is when someone buy a product I have to check if there was still some products left in database with old price so i have to charge with old price not with new price
 
@ziGi as I see it: factory creates instances from various classes from either same namespace or with same interface, while builder creates instances of same class with different settings
 
Factory method pattern defers instantiation. You pass in parameters required to the build method, and it returns the new object with those parameters. Builder always returns the object, but builds up the object over time by calling setters on it depending on what parameters you pass in.
 
1:27 PM
@Jimbo "factory method" is an antipattern
 
However, builder would require setters for the object being built and I don't want to adjust my object API just because I want to 'build' it
@tereško Oh? Regarding factory method... (ignore statics):
static class FruitFactory {
    static Fruit create(name, color, firmness) {
        // Additional logic
        return new Fruit(name, color, firmness);
    }
}
 
that is not "factory method"
 
(agh impossible to ignore statics)
 
@Jimbo about builders usually it is used when you have a lot of settings required by a class so first you could set them and then do the rest of the initialization work
 
@tereško It was effectively the deferred instantiation, hmm...
 
1:28 PM
@DaveRandom it is but still hashing > self encryption
 
Oh yeah, it's a Factory, not factory method
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A: Design Patterns: Factory vs Factory method vs Abstract Factory

Anders JohansenAll three Factory types do the same thing: They are a "smart constructor". Let's say you want to be able to create two kinds of Fruit: Apple and Orange. Factory Factory is "fixed", in that you have just one implementation with no subclassing. In this case, you will have a class like this: cla...

 
I have posted question so can someone help now?
 
Looking at Java example now, but you never know if they're right or not. One answer can be completely different from another
 
Someone experience with MS Lync?
 
@tereško i'm not working for a company...i'm doing well designed responsive websites...
but i've always givens someone else the job to do the coding....(php & database related)
but he changed carreer
and i want to handle this myself
i work alone
i do understand that using a libr for things like fb login is adviced
 
1:31 PM
it will take you ~3 months to get any good at backend (and that's assuming that you can concentrate on learning)
 
but for standard things like database, customer database, etc....you can do the coding self
in php
& pdo/mysqli
 
in short term it might be better for you to find someone else who can do php/mysql stuff for you while you are learning
you will not be able to make a secure site after 1 month of studies
 
@Mubeen1992 Generally the sale price of something is not associated with a stock item - think about it in terms of a real life business process rather than a coding problem. The sale price is associated with the product, not with an individual item of stock.
i.e. you shouldn't need to care about this
 
aye, but am i correct to say that for things like creating simple login for customers to see their order history, or like, for a club where a customer can check if he already payed
to do it yourself?
but once a fb login is required you use the libr?
I'm very familiar with HTML5 & CSS3
only PHP ...i've done a 1month course now, means nothing i know
but i'm able to hold a pretty solid logic in php...where to go from here
 
@MichaelDesmadril partially. There will be libraries for payment related things (various banklinks, firstdata, paypal). But the creation of stock management code will usually be done by hand (unless you want to learn how to use Magento)
basically, you have to take a hard look at what sites you get hired to produce
 
1:36 PM
@DaveRandom you are right but this is requirement :(
 
@tereško how is the factory exactly differing the instantiation? Isn't $factory->create($config) basically instantiating new instance immediately
 
@MichaelDesmadril if, what you get paid for, it is strictly e-commerce, learning Magento might be better option in practice (because writing a good e-commerce site from ground-up requires years of experience)
 
well, ...my goal is
 
@ziGi I should have written $builder->create($config) ..
 
@Mubeen1992 Well it's not going to be easy. I'd probably start by doing something like:
SELECT s.price, Count(s.id) AS items_in_stock
FROM stock s
INNER JOIN products p
    ON s.product_id = p.id
WHERE p.id = ? AND NOT s.sold
GROUP BY s.price
 
1:38 PM
@tereško ah so builder is for differing? and factory is not?
 
Most of my clients want to have a. a possibility to register -> So they can check their orders.
Have some kind of login possibility & c. cms
 
which would get you the number of items in stock for each available price
 
i don't need to crawl in dark places for that right?
 
but how you then figure out which ones to allocate to an order I have no idea, depends how your business processes work
 
@ziGi , here is a real-world builder ... you already saw it today. And here is an extremely siple factory
 
1:40 PM
ah yes, I've seen your RequestBuilder
 
Obviously that SQL is based on a schema that I imagined, but hopefully you can see the intended logic
 
@DaveRandom thanks seems fine let me try
 
@ziGi With a builder, you usually have methods allowing to set the configurable parts and once you have configured/called all you need, you call create/build on it, to get an object. with a factory, you call create immediately.
 
Most of my clients want to have a. a possibility to register -> So they can check their orders.
Have some kind of login possibility & c. cms
 
@DaveRandom one thing i am not couting any sold product
 
1:43 PM
@MichaelDesmadril . Well, that's the sticky part. Yes, you will need a CMS. The options are: use existing one or write your own. And writing your own CMS can take anything from 3 month to a year (seriously). So in short term the best option for you would be to use an existing CMS (there are options out there).
 
@Mubeen1992 Hence the AND NOT s.sold - I don't know how you mark stock records as sold
 
@ziGi basically a builder maintains a configuration for creation of the object while a factory creates the object.
 
^ agreed
 
@Gordon ok I see so basically factory is usually used when you would like to swap out the creation of an object easily and Builder is when you want to be able to make a set up before that creation
 
@DaveRandom I am just adding that product in new table
 
1:45 PM
@ziGi consider github.com/gooh/InterfaceDistiller/blob/master/src/… for a builder. although it does not return an object.
 
@Mubeen1992 ....and deleting it from the old one, presumably? or no?
 
@DaveRandom nops
 
@Gordon yeah, I do understand the difference but my initial question was more like, why is it good to pass a factory as a DI instead of directly creating new objects immediately
which was more or less answered
 
@Mubeen1992 OK well that sucks as a DB design IMO, you should either move old entries to a new table, or (better) update a status (or whatever) column on that row in the stock table and move it to a different partition.
But you can just use an OUTER JOIN to filter out the sold products
 
My Structure is like below:
 
1:48 PM
@Gordon Although the builders I have seen so far work something like this (new SomeBuilder())->setUpA($foo)->setUpB($bar)->setUpC($param)->build();
 
That's what his does
 
Stock table
id ----- productid ------ quantity ------- price
1 ------ 1 -------------10 ------------ 8
2 ------ 1 ------------ 15 ------------ 10
 
@ziGi yes, they usually create an object at the end. in the case of the distiller, it distills the interface in the end. but the principle is the same. public methods for configuration. and then one call in the end to do sth with the configuration. in the case of the distiller it still creates an object graph under the hood. I could have returned that, but felt I did not want to have users use anything but the InterfaceDistiller object.
 
@tereško Correct me if I am wrong but in the example you gave me stackoverflow.com/questions/11369360/… you actually put the provider setup in a function so you can differ the instantiation of a PDO until it is required, so in a way it is a lazy loading?
 
1:50 PM
@tereško sigh -> Could you name me a good cms package?
 
and sold table
id ----- productid ------ quantity ------- price --- total-amount
1 ------ 1 -------------2 ------------ 8 ----------------16
2 ------ 1 ------------ 3 ------------ 8 ----------------24
 
@Gordon yes, quite understandable, and it seems the use case is proper since you have relatively a lot of things to be configured before getting the final interface, to "distil" it basically
 
@DaveRandom as you can see example tables if product 1 sold less than 10 i have its price should be 8 and if it is sold more than 10 its price should be 10
 
Can someone name me a good cms package?
that they like to work with
 
1:55 PM
@ziGi so it's a builder and a facade in one
 
@Mubeen1992 That database schema is going to make your life a lot more difficult than it needs to be
 
drupal?
 
@MichaelDesmadril nope. But you could google for something like "php micro cms"
@MichaelDesmadril no, not drupal
 
@DaveRandom it seems so but I am not the one who developed whole site I am just continuing the site and it is used at many places
 
@Gordon it's a facade because of the reflection class which gives you access to other subsystems, right?
 
1:57 PM
@DaveRandom any suggestions about how can i get price from this structure?
 
@ziGi yes, it's kinda lazy loading.
 
Its bad for motivation if you start to realise that most of the coding could be done by a library :D but hey....why re-invent the wheel hu
 
@ziGi it's a facade because it hides the entire distillation process details from you, which is sth like github.com/gooh/InterfaceDistiller/blob/master/examples/… - The former is equivalent to github.com/gooh/InterfaceDistiller/blob/master/examples/…
 
@Mubeen1992 I will have to think about it a bit
 
(I'd like to answer it - and it's not primarily opinion based)
 
2:00 PM
@Gordon it also looks like a decorator where you create the $methodIterator (having many nested new Filter Iterator statements one inside another)
 
@DaveRandom okay i am waiting for your reply
 
@DaveRandom What's a good xmas present for nerds?
 
@Mubeen1992 what does the total-amount column in the sold table mean?
 
@ziGi yeah, kind of. That's how Iterators work.
 
@Fabor The thing in the message that message is replying to
mmmmmmultiping!
 
2:02 PM
@DaveRandom quantity * price = total-amount
 
Ah the book nice :)
 
@Gordon \com\github\gooh\... --- y'know, I've always been on the fence about using RDNN in PHP, but fuck it, that looks fine to me.
 
@Mubeen1992 what's the point in keeping that in a separate column?
 
@Gordon actually that project looks quite interesting, I'll give it a try tonight
 
@Fabor I'm getting a girl a LoL figure :-P
 
2:04 PM
@DanLugg it will make you a lonely person among the PSR people ;)
 
@DanLugg nerd++
 
@Gordon And the wonderful thing is how many fucks I won't give ;-)
@Fabor You know it brah. It's pretty sweet doing that kinda shopping for a gal you dig, actually :-P
 
@ziGi it needs updating. its missing some of the recent additions to php like the ... thing
plus, if I could write it again, I'd probably use @NikiC's parser.
 
@DanLugg heh aye
 
@DaveRandom I already said I didn't developed database
and site
 
2:07 PM
@Gordon I am just wondering, what can you do with the derived interfaces of the API classes, I mean when is it most appropriate to use the Interface Distiller? What can you do with the interfaces extracted from the classes after you get them?
 
he asked me to add some new features in existing site
 
@ziGi For refactoring. I was working on a project. There was plenty of TableDataGateways pointing to a single database. A second database was introduced which needed to work with the same API. I did not have interfaces for them. So instead of going through all the Gateways, I just wrote the distiller to do that for me. Then I could apply the interface to the Gateway for the old and the new db. And all the consumers would just consume the interface instead of the concrete gateways.
 
you guys ever heard of this os?
 
@Gordon yes, that is quite smart, I can see the potential usage in this case especially if you have quite a lot of Gateways. I guess it saves a lot of work and you can reuse it in the future if you need to (or anyone else)
 
@Mubeen1992 so let's say that, given yout example data, you get some more stock of product 1 at price 8. Do you update the existing row in the stock table or create a new one?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky yeah
God I clicked on the vice link. What a horrible horrible site that is :|
 
@DaveRandom will add a new row so table will look like below
id ----- productid ------ quantity ------- price
1 ------ 1 -------------10 ------------ 8
2 ------ 1 ------------ 15 ------------ 10
2 ------ 1 ------------ 5 ------------ 8
 
@ziGi but if you are using PHPStorm, you got this built in already
 
@Gordon hm I do use it but I never knew, how is it called? I have seen the one for extracting code into methods but it is much different than the interfaces one.
 
@PeeHaa it sure is
 
2:21 PM
SELECT st.price, Sum(st.quantity) - Coalesce(so.quantity, 0) AS items_in_stock
FROM stock st
LEFT JOIN (
    SELECT productid, Sum(quantity) as quantity, price
    FROM sold
    GROUP BY productid, price
) so ON st.productid = so.productid AND st.price = so.price
WHERE st.productid = 1
GROUP BY st.price
 
@ziGi its in the same menu as that
right click your code > Refactor > Extract > Interface
 
@Gordon wow, that must be something new, I have v7.1.3 and it doesn't have it, I guess v8 introduced it
 
our german clients are funny .. they tell us plans are to launch in nov .. then silence .. today we get an email "hey, we went live, there are problems ... " =.=
 
2:28 PM
Difference between an elephant running through the woods and a pineapple tumbling down a mountain side. — Dan Lugg 6 secs ago
 
@DanLugg it's always an elephant!
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Unless it's a pineapple.
 
An ugly pineapple.
 
@Gordon interesting, I am missing it :/
 
:20169330 It's combining them on price, not quantity
It's getting the sum of the quantities
that's what you need if you want the number of items currently in stock
The current stock is "number of items that have been booked in" - "number of items that have been sold"
 
2:40 PM
yes but getting diffrent price each time is for if he bought first 10 products for 8 and then next 15 for 10 and next 5 for 8
then he will sell first 10 products for 8 and then next 15 for 10 and next 5 for 8
 
I don't follow
 
sorry for my bad english
i means to say result should be
PRICE ----ITEMS_IN_STOCK
8 -----------5
10 -----------15
8 -----------5
 
@DanLugg Or a cactus.
 
@Jimbo Pineapples are kinda cactusy.
 
not like
PRICE ----ITEMS_IN_STOCK
8 -----------10
10 ---------15
 
2:46 PM
@Mubeen1992 That's just not possible given the input data. There's no way to tie the rows in sold to a specific row in stock
You'd need a stockid column in sold in order to do that
 
@DaveRandom okay i will add a stockid column but what will we store in that colum? we have difrent stocks for one product
 
@Mubeen1992 Look at the result you want. You'd need to store the id of the first stock entry with each of the sold entries you have, in order to subtract them from the correct stock result row
 
@DaveRandom can you give me a demo on fiddle?
 
3:04 PM
hello
 
posted on November 27, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by Stichoza */

 
@ziGi hmm
I was looking at your paste
But I am not sure that will generate 'night' prices for my instead of prices per day?
 
Now it looks like: paste.jesse-obrien.ca/14Cb @ziGi
 
3:21 PM
@Duikboot you don't need the empty else statement
 
Changed it to: paste.jesse-obrien.ca/14CT But my price calculations are still the same.
 
@Duikboot but you are not using any of the information inside the if(isset($previousDay)){ ... } statement, don't you need the price or something
 
The thing I want is: example:
[1]-[2]-[3]-[4]-[5]-[6]-[7]

If you select:
{[1]-[2]}-[3]-[4]-[5]-[6]-[7] day 1 and day 2 you now get pay: 100$ because the dayprice = 50$.

But the result should be: 50$ because that counts only 1 night.
 
@Duikboot, it is easier to help you if you make sure to fix the ident, like paste.jesse-obrien.ca/14D6
 
OH, indeed the editor does weird and adds too many lines.
 
3:31 PM
@DaveRandom Thanks it was a great help :)
 
there is alot of logic beyound the calculation, which makes it hard to see (noise) what exactly is the reason (could be many things). Maybe you could remove the wp stuff, add some temp variables at top (to imiate them) so the code could be run locally, a minimal example. @Duikboot
You might even see the error clearly =]
 
@Mubeen1992 no worries :-)
 
soooo ... afternoon
 
Morning @JoeWatkins [=<
 
has anyone watched the interview of that ferguson police officer ?
 
3:40 PM
Actually it's just the foreach wich should be calculet minus 1 day. And then I have my result.
 
Yes JoeWatkins, it is crazy
 
hello everyone
 
what's crazy ?
 
The entire case
 
i have this peace of code below:
if ($verb == "GET") {
	$arr = array();
	$rs = mysqli_query($link,"SELECT EmployeeID, LastName, FirstName FROM Employees");

	while($obj = mysqli_fetch_object($rs)) {
		$arr[] = $obj;
	}

	echo "{\"data\":" .json_encode($arr). "}";
}
 
3:41 PM
feel dead sorry for the police officer ... I just wonder why our friends in the colonies are going mad ...
 
and i keep getting a notice: localhost undifinied
 
also, hello kitty ?
 
@JoeWatkins I do not know who to feel sorry for ..
I was not there.. =/
 
3:43 PM
@JoeWatkins So… people seem to be leaning towards invariant return types just because they are future compatible with covariant return types.
 
we charge police officers with doing a job, a difficult, life threatening job ... his life was in danger ... a large 290lbs 6ft 5 man is a scary thing to have coming at you whether they are 15 or 50, you do not try to take a weapon from a police officer, the lad made bad decisions and paid for it with his life ... seems pretty clear cut to me ....
@LeviMorrison if there's a consensus then aim for that ... I much prefer covariant, I think it's work we are going to do eventually anyway and would rather not have the complexity of explaining how it works twice, two different ways ...
 
anyone?!?!
pls?!
 
@Japa localhost smells like your connection to the DB is failing..
 
@JoeWatkins and all that over a box of cigarillos, it's a damn shame
 
@JoeWatkins =] yea it is a pretty serious job, I can agree to that. But if the thing went down exactly like that... There sure seems to be a big discussion about it. I dare not "take a stand" on this subject.
 
3:54 PM
@JoeWatkins yeah ... only bullet entered from the back
 
no it didn't
kill shot was to the head, at the front
 
@Japa could you copy the code where you create the connection to localhost into a pastebin?
 
oh , yeah , the pre-death shots where from the back, but the killshot from the front
that makes aaaaaall the difference
 
don't think he took any shots to the back ...
 
read up =)
 
3:55 PM
is it illegal to wear a bullet proof vest in public?
 
have, and i listened to the testimony given to grand jury ...
@ziGi don't think so
 
@ziGi it is in USA (for civilians), if I recall correctly
 
I think in some states it is a crime to wear a bullet proof vest if you are commiting a crime
 
I think certain kinds are so difficult to obtain here that there are no laws, but you can get vests for shooting (the sport)
 
3:58 PM
so basically it is a crime to prepare being shot if you are going to commit a crime
 
All the good names are taken :-( I wanna use "Polymer"
 

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