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11:00 AM
I want to check out if merging upwards doesn't work first...
but honestly, I think having it for 5.5/5.6 is more important right now
 
yeah but gotta keep in sync
you will have conflicts I think ... add_assoc_stringl_ex has a different prototype now
 
ah
should I wait for the PR to be merged up to 5.6?
 
I'm glancing, I can be wrong ...
yeah
 
or I should do a separate PR asap?
 
you should probably just seek permission to do it yourself, you have karma, right ?
 
11:02 AM
well, true, but I'd rather not use it since I only have <10 commits in...
 
so what, don't worry about that ... it's going to be harder to get someone else to do it than it is to get some +1 ...
if nobody complains that it's broken, or stupid then just merge the thing yourself ..
 
Internals? No complaints? What is this?
 
silence is normal ...
 
Make sure you don't add any emotional baggage to your PR...
 
11:04 AM
most of the subscribers to the list will click on the mail and the pr, and those that understand will read the patch, if it's all good then nobody will speak, normal ...
 
@FlorianMargaine if you want to get a nod from someone before you do it, talk to Ferenc/Julien first, if they say you should talk to the list then talk to the list (I suspect they'll just tell you to go ahead and do it though)
 
@DaveRandom for the 5.5 patch, I'd rather go to the list
I'll talk to them for the master merge though, good idea
 
I think I'm going to re-write my draft blog post on global state to differentiate between mutable global state, and why it's bad, and global state in general, which is a different issue.
 
heh
I don't have access to the php-pulls organization
 
there is no rm for 7 yet
 
11:10 AM
so I can push on php-src but not merge a pr on github :D
 
they are rm's for 5.6, you should okay with them first really ...
 
@JoeWatkins ah, ok
well if no objection comes up on the list, I'll do that then
 
@FlorianMargaine there's a workflow document somewhere that explains how to merge pulls ...
search wiki
 
@JoeWatkins yeah I've already seen it
 
Thanks for the suggestions @Gordon
 
11:11 AM
hey btw, where is @Jack?
 
seek johannes in irc then, I dunno ...
 
we haven't seen him in a while...
 
he's around in irc, guess working ...
@Jack ... you okay ?
 
Go and shout at him on github, he's always around there
 
What is the difference between the gold and the red label from JW? @Gordon ?
 
11:13 AM
@Duikboot black and red is cheap and not very special.
I guess those two are why many people dont think JW is a proper whisky
 
he's okay, he replied in irc ...
 
What do you call 'not special'? :)
 
@Duikboot like rather flat taste
not smoky, not complex
stuff like that
for instance the JW blue label really has three different tastes
 
good moaning, chaps
 
@Gordon some people just cannot comprehend that their code might be crap
 
11:17 AM
yay
moin @Jack :)
 
so the black and red one are stuff you'd drink in shots to get drunk. or use in mix drinks.
the regular black. not the double platinum. the double platinum black is quite okay.
 
damn, missed the vote on unserialize() =(
 
me too, sounds boring, what happened ?
oh I looked at that ...
extremely uninteresting ...
 
yeah, here's something truly interesting ... change the default escape argument of fgetcsv() to " :P
somehow the authors thought it be logical to have fputcsv() and fgetcsv() without any arguments to be incompatible
isn't that the most important thing you've heard today?
 
Maybe not important... Interesting, yeah :P
 
11:23 AM
PHP Uncon Europe (@phpuceu) is back! This time, it’s in Palma de Majorca. Buy tickets & find out more: http://bit.ly/1tdzLBr #PHPucEU
 
YAY
We can go to a talk about SOLID and then when the guy asks if anyone knows about it both me and @Gordon stay silent!
(this happened last time ;))
 
Silence! I'll kill you!
 
@Jimbo actually, this is what happened at IPC, too The speaker asked about SOLID and of the about 75 attendees only a handful raised their hand.
 
It's because you get bashed if you're not 100% correct about it :P
You're effectively putting your reputation on the line answering a question like that
 
@Ja͢ck You didn't miss much. :)
 
11:28 AM
Don't they give out black stockings you can pull over your head?
@salathe heh, right .. i was hoping there would be more granular control over unserialise(), but meh, i don't use it enough to care
 
@Jimbo naah , it's more fun to play dumb and see what people do
 
@Ja͢ck the rfc just made me make this face... o.O ... "but meh, i don't use it enough to care" :)
 
heh
@FlorianMargaine 3v4l.org/LHEZj
 
@LeviMorrison hm... well, then, my point:
Room 11, How do we feel about removing global keyword in PHP 7 altogether?
 
Ehh
 
11:35 AM
morning btw
 
@AlmaDo I would personally love to see that happen, but I don't think it really is wise :P
 
@Ja͢ck I might use it more if it had some way to use it incrementally on a stream
 
@PeeHaa well, we have php4 style constructors on stake, so why global is better ? :p still bc break
 
@AlmaDo Because php4 style ctors are already on their way out global is not
 
@DaveRandom something like ... ORBs? :)
 
11:36 AM
@PeeHaa so let's make the way out for global
 
Why?
 
@Ja͢ck I... don't know what that is
 
@DaveRandom My server keeps saying it happily accepts sslv3 btw :P
 
@PeeHaa I had to revert a fix for that on my own server recently.
 
remove global ftw =] but anything that breaks wp, makes it very hard..
 
11:38 AM
@PeeHaa Weird. Do you have more than one vhost, and you haven't changed the settings for the right one or something?
 
@DaveRandom Probably a good thing :) it's like accessing objects via network.
 
Also you'll probably have to do a hard restart rather than a soft config reload, because the settings are probably set in openssl at module init
@Ja͢ck Sounds suspiciously like SOAP
 
@DaveRandom I have lots of vhosts and I have included the ssl config in all of them. I tested whether it actually includes the config by changing the filename after which it didn't restart anymore
@DaveRandom I always do /etc/init.d/thing restart
 
I was thinking more for IPC over streams (unix:// and proc_open handles)
@PeeHaa Y U NO service thing restart?!?!?!?!
 
Because habits are hard to get rid of
 
11:40 AM
 
@PeeHaa Weirdly weirdingtons. Have you updated openssl+nginx? Could be version-specific bug
 
@DaveRandom No install priviliges -.-
 
@DaveRandom Yes updated again
 
@Jimbo that's me
 
11:42 AM
@Gordon Needs shades, brb
 
@Jimbo hey @Gordon at "work"
:P
 
user image
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@Gordon are you coming to the next one? :-)
 
12:12 PM
damn I'm feeling tired today.. :(
 
@Naruto talk a walk =] gives you energy
 
Heh, my CTO just reviewed my getallheaders PR
 
@Jimbo unconf? yes, I bought my tickets right after the last one was over already
 
@RonniSkansing I just came off lunch break.. Isn't that supposed to power me up? :D
 
@AlmaDo But, but, my PHP 3 code will stop working!
 
12:29 PM
@Naruto =] No idea. I always get so tired after eating
 
Because eating is best followed by sleeping.
I'm sure there's some research correlating it to warm milk as a child followed by a nap.
 
Actually, it's better to take a stroll after eating.
 
Does that happen a lot?
That's the second one today...
 
Do the needful pls
 
sir*
 
12:44 PM
@FlorianMargaine why ?
 
this is pretty awesome: thehackernews.com/2014/11/…
5
 
@DaveRandom Maybe once or twice a week on average.
 
@Gordon agree
 
What is? Free SSL? Hmm, yes.
 
12:49 PM
@PeeHaa didnt see
 
I haven't seen anything on which browsers are going to be on board and whether or not 'advanced' certificates such as wildcards or 'green box' verified certs will be available.
 
@AllenJB You know who mozilla is right? :P
I'm sure the others will follow suit
Hell even startssl is supported in most browsers
 
@PeeHaa Yes - I also know who Google, Microsoft and Opera are. Microsoft is probably the big question mark in my opinion
 
Why?
 
Mozilla bought/invested in Tor recently didn't they?
 
12:52 PM
In my experience in relation to root certificates MS is not bad
 
Because if MS (or any of the others) aren't going to include them, then the certificates aren't really useful for most sites.
 
@AllenJB Yeah I get that, but why are you worried MS won't include it?
 
It may well be that they do already have MS and Google on board with this, but personally I'm going to wait for more information before I start hailing them as the saviours of CAs or whatever
 
Historical tidbit of the day: PHP 4 constructors looked exactly the same in PHP 3.
 
o.0
 
12:55 PM
PHP3 had classes?
 
If there was a room 11 blog for us to author, would you contribute?
8
 
@Fabor I think those of us that want to blog have a blog ... there was an idea to have a collective blog before but it never took off ... I can be wrong...
 
@JoeWatkins Aye, but some might be interested in the odd-blog.
Also if willing, rss the blogs of other room 11 people
if willing being the operative part.
 
yeah I'm sure no-one would mind that ...
 
@Fabor yes if I can find the time
 
1:01 PM
@Fabor btw, Y U CHANGE NAME AND AVATAR AT THE SAME TIME?!?!?!?!?
 
GOD DAMNIT @FAB YOU SUCK
 
@Fabor yes, on the rare occasions I have something useful to say
 
lol!. I tried to change avatar a while ago but it didn't take for some reason.
Would people be okay with a blogger then? I can put it on lamephp.com and we can go from there.
 
@Fabor Sure
 
So all that's left to decide is design. If anyone can find any decent free or reasonably priced templates I'll use/buy it.
 
1:05 PM
@JoeWatkins I want to blog, but never think of anything to put down on paper. :)
 
@AllenJB They will, don't worry about that. And also, the existing CAs probably won't take too much issue with this. One of the major benefits of using their certs over a free cert (which already exist, btw) is configurability (e.g. wildcards, SAN) and accountability (insurance), two things which I doubt you'll get from this free open CA.
 
@DaveRandom yarp, it totally did!
 
Wow. Was there any difference between them and PHP4 classes, then?
@Fabor Meh, just make @webarto do it
 
1:11 PM
@DaveRandom Probably some, but not huge... it's a long time to remember back to!
 
@DaveRandom heh. I don't mind doing it. It's only a template. It's just picking one we all like, or most of us do at least.
Then poking @salathe for a logo ;)
 
@salathe Nobody was even alive then
 
@JoeWatkins he spotted a couple possible fixes. Like var = str = do_alloca(var_len + 1, use_heap); should be var = str = do_alloca(var_len + padding, use_heap);
also, he told me that fcgi_hash_apply should be fpm_hash_apply
 
Haha
class Example {
    var $message = "Hi from class Example, it's " . date('F');
    // ...
}
was valid PHP 3 :)
 
1:14 PM
and he thinks fpm_hash_apply should be folded into getallheaders... thoughts? @JoeWatkins
 
Dammit, '0' wasn't always empty() :-( kip.uni-heidelberg.de/~weis/doc/php/x61688.html
 
@Fabor I would try to ... but I tend to spend all of my free time on either eating, sleeping or gaming
I haven't written a SO answer in at least 2 month
 
@DaveRandom So we could change it again, to be BC with PHP 3 >:)
 
@Jimbo how do you handle related entities. For example: you have Article entity and Editors entity where one Article can have multiple Editors. The question here is what do you do when you have to make a single query that returns composite information?
 
@salathe Yes. I'm going to propose it and phrase it exactly like that, if it says "it will be backward compatible" then everyone will just stop reading at that point
 
1:16 PM
@ziGi I used doctrine's @Embedded and @Embeddable (I think), for value objects
Then it only resolves those associated objects when you ask for them
 
aha, ok, I was just wondering if you know how you can implement it yourself
 
belgh --\ Can't sleep anymore at night -- doing 4 days work with only 3 hours sleep every night. -_-
 
@DaveRandom w.t.a.f.
php wild west style
 
I know, I always assumed that was some decision taken in PHP/FI that we just had to live with
 
weird, when did dropbox increase their storage 10x?
 
1:19 PM
I have '0' things in my bag ... it's ... empty.
 
I was paying for the 200gb plan, and I look today and I have 2TB
 
Fill it with null bytes
 
@ircmaxell when the NSA took it over.
 
>D
 
@DaveRandom nah, I've created a few dozen files, of varying power-of-2 sizes filled with random data
 
1:22 PM
Leave them there forever, periodically check to see if they've become a valid file format that someone just invented
 
@Fabor Forgetaboutit
> - parsererror - retry / edit / cancel
I got this one moments ago, someone is fiddling with chat.
 
@tereško Well the beauty of the shared blog is you don't have to post often.
 
@tereško same here
that's not true
 
@Fabor actually, in a shared blog you should be writing an article every 2-5 days
 
2 in Oct (Oct 13), one in Sept (Sep 11), 6 in Aug (Aug 26 + 27), 2 in May (May 5 + 8), 2 in April (7 + 22), etc...
 
1:26 PM
@tereško Why?
 
hmmm, Windows doesn't like sparse files. And by sparse, I mean 3-4mb files. Copying JPG is happening at 3.75 MB/s, where as copying the 20mb raw files is happening at 11.1 MB/s...
 
@Fabor because otherwise it would die
here is an example of a semi-good multi-blog: blog.8thlight.com
and that one as a lot more contributor then this room could ever muster
 
@tereško The point is more for our own reading and sharing than others though. It's usefulness is defined by us.
 
Who's got php.ac sort of kind of like www.oxford.ac
 
@Fabor no
 
1:30 PM
well , you already have a blog
 
nomadphp? :-P
 
Hmmm. Silly one but I have uri which is /foo/bar/<urlencoded url>. Problem is when the urlencoded url ends in .php nginx tries to run it as a file. How should/can I resolve this?
 
@ircmaxell There are numerous reasons for this, the primary one being security descriptors, with a large number of small files on a fast disk, a lot more time is spent figuring out what the security descriptors for a file should be than copying the actual file data, but also - and here's where we're on the very edge of me actually knowing what I'm talking about...
I believe that a copy operation of a large number of small files tends to fragment more because it does some concurrency magic related to the security descriptors, whereas with larger files it doesn't do that.
TL;DR ntfs sucks
 
LOL
 
nm resolved.
 
1:41 PM
I present you, DashCaminator 3000.
 
@FlorianMargaine could be true, but you are not attempting to fix this in this pr, you are only attempting to share code, if it should be changed, it should be another pr ... also, this code is deployed, code that is "broken" can still be getting relied upon, so you have to be sure you're not going to change any behviour, fcgi seems correct to me, that's not an fpm_request *, but an fcgi_request *
 
so instead of static inline void fpm_add_request_header it should be static inline void fcgi_add_request_header?
 
@webarto Did you make that?
 
no that's for fpm
 
fcgi_hash_apply isn't shared though
 
1:47 PM
no matter, you are applying to a "hash" inside fcgi_request ...
it's copied from there, the apply function ...
 
@JoeWatkins yeah but you're inside fastcgi.c there
 
fcgi stuff is reused in fpm, it's a fastcgi server is why ...
fcgi_request is defined by fcgi stuff and reused in there ...
 
@DaveRandom Combined few good quality parts from China.. used Samsung S5 as "camera", because it's f* awesome, for example, GoPro quality is lame compared to this + I get Android so I can make whatever but luckily there's a good app.
 
I wouldn't worry about function names, they are fine ...
 
ok
I'll take your advice over his :)
 
1:51 PM
@webarto otterbox is awesome
 
@JoeWatkins shouldn't I put the fcgi_hash_apply function in SAPI.c?
 
hmm, the problems with fgetcsv() seem to be growing the more i look at it =/
coupled with some people having weird expectations despite correctly stating the current behaviour is wrong ...
if everybody would just use Yaml we wouldn't have these issues now ...
 
... why pink?
 
1:57 PM
pink? that's clearly red ... ehm, right? ;-)
 
Black/black and pinkredish/white were on sale... and yeah, I have a wife, not husband :-P
 
@webarto :D
 
And knowing me, you know that phones fell of the truck.
 
They do, all the time.
 
@FlorianMargaine fastcgi.h is copied, the whole thing, not sure why ... I wouldn't bother ...
 
2:01 PM
@JoeWatkins ?
 
i cant add 0.0.0.0/0 to cphulk balck list in cpanel, anyone know why?
 
if it weren't for that, you could static inline in that header ...
 
knowing that it will make me appear sexist to say so, some of that really pisses me off ...
 
Describing software or algorithms as “sexy”, “hot”, etc.
The assumptions that only women can be sexy or hot is sexist. rdlowrey is proof.
 
2:08 PM
Any wonderful gold-tag-badge people have a spare dupehammer? stackoverflow.com/questions/601034/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/4722638/… (see Gordon's dupe comment)
 
@webarto Ahh, right. So you gave her the black one and kept the awesome pink one for yourself? Understandable.
 
@Fabor The assumptions that only gay people can be gay is also now nullified.
 
@DaveRandom Pink is the new black.
 
:P
 
@Fabor Your quotes are acting strange.
 
2:10 PM
Copy pasted. So probably that.
 
@JoeWatkins Rule of a thumb, don't be a dick.. or a vagina.. err, what.
 
morning
 
@webarto Rule of dick, don't be a thumb.
 
The whole 'shirtgate' thing was quite annoying. I'm trying not to give it any real thought.
 
Me too, really cba with social justice warriors
 
2:12 PM
@APerson done
 
"guys" is not sexist, nor is pointing out that mothers aren't very good at tech (many people were raised without fathers, it's a fact of modern life), short of a picture being a penis it cannot be by default male, you don't get to dictate what fetishes people can have ... there are a couple of valid points, but most of it is just crap ...
 
I'm not your guy pal!
 
Funny thing is, it's the internet. Or it's real life. Either way, you can ignore these people clamouring for change and attention and get on with enjoying your life, and they can't do anything about it, and they hate that.
 
@DaveRandom thanks!
 
@JoeWatkins I thought guys was general thing, to non native speaker, when I saw movies or shows, females used guys to call for a bunch of girls or mixed.
 
2:13 PM
I absolutely think things need to change, but to spout nonsense doesn't help the cause ...
it is, of course ...
 
I used folks afterwards, but that's so Texas.
 
@Jimbo Aye. I'm not sure which is worse, genuine belief that a shirt is an issue or exploiting irrelevant issues for attention.
 
I'll take it one further, and use the word chaps, but if I'm using it in the presence of females, then it applies to them too, it is nonsense to pick on a particular vernacular ...
 
I used that too quite a lot, indeed. Brilliant.
 
political correctness gone mad
 
2:15 PM
Well no one ever told me it's wrong or took it for evil 'cause I'm not native.
But, like you've said, guys is OK.
 
@JoeWatkins I would say that more than 50% of those things piss me off
 
I'm not going to straighten the curvy river as they say here.
@DanLugg Do you know this show? ^ :-D
 
Tell me, what's the difference between feminism and equality?
 
Jenny Wong retweeted it, and I guess she read it first ..
 
@Fabor (Idealism + execution).
 
2:20 PM
Drama all day long.
Pffft.
 
Some people just love drama.
That is their way to get it.
 
Which to me makes me sympathise with how tough it must be to be a woman who is trying to promote equality rather than feminism.
 
equality is something that feminism aims to achieve ...
 
@Fabor I have genuinely yet to meet someone who fits that description
I'd much prefer to meet someone who is focussing on their own lives and better themselves, not change others.
They are much more interesting people to speak to
That's just my personal choice, but I know I'm happier for it :-)
 
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to buy tickets for Swan Lake by Russian Imperial Ballet.
Which brings me to the point that males would have a hard time as a ballet dancer.
 
2:23 PM
:-)
 
@webarto I once went to see one and the guy ran toward the front of the stage (right where I was sat) and did the splits right in front of me and looked into my eyes.
It was horrifying.
 
I don't even
 
Yeah, these things always seem to happen to me :'(
 
Jimballs
 
LOL
WebFarto
 
2:26 PM
BTW. For those of you who want some awesome shoes. The Addida Duramo Cross X are awesome. Waterproof, comfortable and they look like actual normal shoes, which is not typical for gore-tex stuff.
 
@Fabor do you sell these shoes ?
 
They have a big sole though. Made me an unnecessary 1-2 inches taller.
 
@Fabor Every inch helps, eh?
 
@Jimbo Not at 6ft5
 
Oh.
:D
 
2:27 PM
@JoeWatkins lol. I just really like them. And good shoes are a big deal :P
 
too late, you are @Fabor the shoe salesman, in my head ...
 
@webarto No, I don't :-/
 
@Joe lol
 
Also, morning elevenites.
 
moin @DanLugg, moin @DanLugg's beard ...
 
2:30 PM
@JoeWatkins @DanLugg's beard is rather thin and trim, actually.
He's on a diet.
 
in other beard news, I'm allowed a goatee ...
 
^^ Awesome possum. Rock it.
 
Congrats =]
 
@JoeWatkins Sweet. Progress pics are needed.
 
moin @DannLugg's cactus
 
2:32 PM
@Jimbo I've transition to succulents in general, no need to be exclusionary.
 
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=cactus&room=11 I'm winning!!
 
@JoeWatkins So, I bailed.
 
@DanLugg how did that go ?
 
@JoeWatkins Half-and-half.
 
so, no arguing ?
think you might get back together, or is this a final kind of split ?
 
2:39 PM
Oh, this is final. And now unfortunately it's becoming a litigous war.
 
So, arguing, not so much of the emotional variety.
 
one sigh every thirteen hours, makes us seem much more miserable than we are @ircmaxell
 
Should try your own names too.
 
@DanLugg power on through ... you have no kids, so it will eventually be a memory, and they can't hurt you ...
 
@JoeWatkins That's not a goatee -_-
But I still like it.
 
it's not ?
 
Oh man it is a goatee!
I always thought it was only the bottom part... my life has been one big lie :(
 
@JoeWatkins Thanks man :-) I already feel liberated, even if things get ugly on the legal or financial side, I can always make more money.
 
yeah just very short because been a week or something ...
 
2:43 PM
s/always make more/always try to make more/
 
@Fabor it is
 
stay on my own a while, I would ...
 
@JoeWatkins The rest of your face is remarkably clean shaven. Like, baby's bottom.
 
it's a van-dyke
 
2:44 PM
Should print that off any give it to every boy on his 14th birthday.
 
I'm aiming for something between ducktail and short-boxed.
 
lol
 
I got a Short Boxed Beard but been tempted by the Chin Curtain for a while.
 
lol "Rap Industry Standard"
 
in college I had more of a metal thing going on
the bottom part (the goate) was about 10cm long
 
2:46 PM
Notice how it feels like the facial expression changes by the beard? :P
 
^^ almost like that
 
^^ Friend of mine has modeled his face after Serj
 
I looked like that before that band made it, so can't say that
although my hair was more buzzed than that
 
it's glorious
the hair on the bottom of my face seems to grow faster than the hair on my head ... I read how it grows comes down to genetics, so I dunno what will be possible yet ... already I'm annoyed with having to shave half of my face ...
school run, lata all
 
I don't shave often. perhaps once per month. I trim one or twice per week though to get that "stubble" look
 
2:53 PM
@ircmaxell Another interesting code generation project: github.com/kobalicek/asmjit
 
had looked at that at one point
I forget what the result was, but something tells me incomplete or something like that
 
An immediate downside I can see is that types for function signatures are passed by template arguments.
That's got to be a pain for dynamic code.
 
Happy international men's day!
Yeah, I didn't know it was a thing either.
 

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