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3:00 PM
@PeeHaa everything you can do manually you can reproduce using SSH in PHP
so I still don't get what the problem is
 
6 mins ago, by PeeHaa
phpseclib is actually pretty fucking nice
 
to use sudo, you need sudo to be available
 
Which resulted in a long list of things I should do
 
user895378
@Danack Okay, try that. If this is the case then we'll need to work around it in userland because you can't very well tell your users "recompile PHP." Thankfully this isn't that hard to do. The best way to work around it is to delegate individual tasks to worker processes. It's similar to amp/thread except it won't require any extensions. I've been looking for an excuse to do this :)
 
user895378
That way, at least, you can spread around the file descriptors across multiple processes and make it much more unlikely that users would run into this problem.
 
user895378
3:01 PM
(if that turns out to be the issue)
 
I think I'll wait and see what happens with readonly ...
 
@rdlowrey do you find it more convenient to keep your laptop on the left side of the screen
 
@JoeWatkins you got kudos from my buddy, but you get that a lot so... :D
 
foo@spamwhore2:~$ zmprov gd testtesttest.com
ERROR: account.NO_SUCH_DOMAIN (no such domain: testtesttest.com)
 
@webarto :)
 
3:03 PM
\o/ time for a beer
 
We is using your shit to make shit better/faster.
 
user895378
@PeeHaa beer o'clock!
 
@webarto awesomesauce
 
user895378
hahaha
 
3:04 PM
@JoeWatkins Have you contemplated implementing an optimisation in opcache that replaces a getter function with an inlined version of it?
 
I must stop contemplating it at all and get some real work done ...
 
It seems that would give most of the benefits whilst retaining OO goodness.
 
Rakia :D
 
@webarto Rakia for everyone!
 
3:05 PM
My head doesn't hurt, like after 4L of beer.
 
if we had the ability to inline I wouldn't want to restrict it to getter/setters anyway ...
 
So i think it's better to drink 3-4 shots and 0.5L of beer.
 
yup - it would be awesome everywhere for small functions..
 
For the "get wasted" effect.
 
@webarto I can relate to the rakia -> my fav drink too
I produce it with djado
 
3:06 PM
All in all, it really is.
 
djado knows best
 
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@Danack this would make a huge difference in my code. I wouldn't have to avoid superfluous getters
 
@ziGi You sure you are Dutch? :P
 
@PeeHaa Ik ben niet een Nederlander :D
 
@PeeHaa He's Bulgarian, we were in war with them too :D
 
3:07 PM
@ziGi Nothing to do with "not used to syntax", all about "horrible syntax"
 
GET 'EM!
 
@ziGi When did you move to NL?
 
I just speak your language, know your country better than some people that live in it and make poffertjes and stamppot from time to time
 
The battle of the balkan: Round1. FOIGHT!
@ziGi Damnit. Now I want poffertjes
 
@webarto I didn't even know we were in a war
ahaha, I am that young
 
3:08 PM
Poffertjes (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈpɔfərtjəs] ( )) are a traditional Dutch batter treat. Resembling small, fluffy pancakes, they are made with yeast and buckwheat flour. Unlike American pancakes, they have a light, spongy texture. Typically, poffertjes are served with powdered sugar and butter, and sometimes syrup. Mainly in the colder seasons, temporary stands selling poffertjes are quite popular, and sell portions containing one or two dozen of them. Usually the cook prepares them freshly for the customer. They are sold on a small cardboard (sometimes plastic) plate and come with a small disposable...
 
Haha, no, it was before WW1 I think. No ones gives a f*. I'm just saying every country was in conflict with other here.
Keg of powder = Balkan
 
@webarto haha fine, but that's just stupid
we share almost the same culture
language is quite similar so I don't see why people fight
 
Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia (maybe)... pretty much the same.
Yup, total bullshit.
 
true, but those pesky Romanians and Albanians speak a completely different language
so it is harder to relate
btw @webarto I moved to NL in 2009
to study
but those pesky Dutch people have quite high income taxes
the more you make the more they take
 
3:11 PM
@ziGi You took meh job
:P
 
in Bulgaria for example they take up to 1200 euros around 25-30% and then 10% for everything above that
 
Speaking of which. @webarto you're dutch yet?
 
@PeeHaa yeah, I tuk yer ter
 
@PeeHaa You quit yeh job :-P
 
@ziGi In Bosnia we take from them, haha.
 
3:12 PM
hahaha
 
@DaveRandom sssssst
:P
 
Actually they take from us, politicians have biggest salaries in this part of Europe. But I don't pay any tax except VAT so I don't care much.
 
@webarto how so?
why do you pay only VAT
 
@PeeHaa Ah, waiting for Bureaucracy shit :)
@ziGi Anything I buy I must pay 17% of VAT, right?
I don't pay for income taxes or anything.
 
don't you pay any income tax?
how so?
freelance?
 
3:14 PM
I am not employed in this country.
 
ah, yeah, but then you pay taxes elsewhere
 
Still, I should pay about 10% for any income that passes certain amount.
 
so the Dutch can change the road that doesn't have holes every two years with fresh asphalt
 
So: a thought w/ readonly
 
Nope, I'm funded from drug money.
 
3:15 PM
haha
 
It'd be possible to support all combos by changing how it works, maybe.
 
@webarto how did you arrange to live in Bosnia but work for a foreign company
 
I would pay gladly for taxes if I see results, I don't see any even when I was paying, so...
 
public/private, public/protected and protected/private
 
@ziGi It's the new thing... Remote work :P
 
3:16 PM
...
 
Easy, I'm paid 2-3 3-4 times less than in USA and they don't have any obligations to me except salary and they like it.
 
@webarto I know but how do you find people that want to hire you remotely, without using something like oDesk
@webarto if you don't do your own finance, what are you going to do when you need a pension?
 
@ziGi Some find me (they know to look for good people from poor countries) and somewhere I applied.
 
hahahah :D
good people from poor countries
man Imperialists are responsible I tell you
 
@ziGi Pension here is 150€ and average salary 450€, so you can wipe your a* with it.
Easy, invest in real estate, preferably in e.g. Vienna.
 
3:18 PM
I really don't understand why countries with good climate/nature/women/food are more poor than countries with bad weather/no nature/ugly women and bad food
@webarto I know, good point
 
With yearly salary I get I can buy an apartment here.
 
my dad get's like 250€ pension and that's the top you get
:D
true
it's like 20-30K euros
same in Bulgaria
I am sick of getting depressed in the Netherlands cause of shitty weather and bitchy ugly girls
 
It's even worse here. :-)
 
begin rich does not make you happy
good food, weather, nature and women make you happy
:D
 
If you say so. lol
 
3:21 PM
well you can have 10000000 euros
but if you eat GMO food and look at cows instead of women and it's raining and windy all day long I bet you would like to throw yourself from somewhere at some point
and commercial advertisement all day long
 
no thanks
I haven't had a proper girlfriend since I started living in the Netherlands
seriously
 
@ziGi No offense but calling women cows is not polite at all. :-)
 
haha :D
well
 
@ircmaxell
 
3:24 PM
we'll see
 
@Leri well because you are used to nice looking Georgian women
not like to women that are 1 head higher than you and 20 kg heavier than you and complaining how boring their life is and acting more manly then man
usually people that don't have to struggle complain how there's nothing to do and how life is boring
 
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@ziGi I have never had Georgian gf, tbh. :-)
 
what then?
 
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@ircmaxell NICE.
 
3:28 PM
Justin Bieber was not famous before Obama Care
 
@ziGi Nothing just noticed that it does not matter how much you like or dislike, you should be polite with people.
 
@Leri I have tried but when they call you a thief because you come from an Eastern country and make fun of you it is kind of not that easy.
 
@ircmaxell idiot
 
Correlation does not imply causation
 
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@Leri +1
 
3:30 PM
@ziGi You met wrong people, probably.
 
I admit, I have been quite harsh in my words
but when it happens in 80% of the time
then if you are a bit smart you can see there is something wrong
 
this conversation is making me uncomfortable ...
 
excuse me Joe, I am stopping
 
All women are pretty.
 
it is just that I am a bit pissed off, that's all
 
3:32 PM
When what happens 80% of the time?
 
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@JoeWatkins It's a monologue I thought. Oh, wait ;)
 
@ziGi you're embarrassing us from Balkans :D
If you don't like it there, return ;)
 
I will
actually
 
@webarto said @webarto, as his misses walked past
:-P
 
they are not pretty, not because of their looks
but because of they way they behave
 
3:33 PM
@DaveRandom put a bullet in my head
she has a gun now too :D
it's a revolver, but still
 
@ziGi and how are you behaving ...
seriously, fucking stop it ...
 
@webarto s/has a gun/is packing heat/
It sounds cooler
 
@JoeWatkins not like a spoiled brat with a lot of money, that's how
 
btw, is she trying to get a visa for EU too?
 
3:34 PM
but more like someone with aspirations to learn every day, that many people have forgotten they have to do
 
@DaveRandom Haha, yes, I use plain words in lack of better expressions.
 
user895378
@ziGi Please keep the conversation polite and on-topic. Otherwise I've got a kick-mute for you.
 
sure
 
user895378
I've been itching to use it, too.
 
sorry, I just got carried away but the misfortunes in my life
and here is not the place to discuss it
 
3:35 PM
Me too
/me kick-mutes @rdlowrey
 
haha
 
for the record, you can thank ziGi for the kick-mute feature
 
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@DaveRandom I want to use it so badly.
 
yes
 
@DaveRandom Well, if I get, it extends to her too. Work visa, to work freely in EU, that would be nice... "We" had that prior to 1992 :)
 
3:36 PM
I have to accept royalties for it too
 
how get italics?
 
but I am generous enough to refuse them
ahaha
 
/me wants to kick-mute
 
@AndreaFaulds Just put * around it. ** for strong. --- for strike.
 
@webarto Oh sweet so it's like some dual-visa deal? I guess that makes it a shitload more complicated to get one...
 
3:37 PM
@webarto he wants to be room owner.
 
*she, and yes.
 
whoops, sorry.
 
Ah, oh, my mistake.
 
Really? I thought Andrea is a Spanish male name
 
Rare are those with Italics.
 
3:38 PM
@AndreaFaulds Chat is a very limited and somewhat retarded subset of markdown chat.stackoverflow.com/faq#formatting
 
@webarto They used to be far less rare.
 
user895378
Damn it, Zigi.
 
user895378
kick-mute achieved.
 
@DaveRandom stop messing with me
 
It has problems with some things, it's not possible to create a code block with just a backtick in it, for example
 
3:38 PM
@ziGi Female in Spanish and most European languages. Only male in Italian, Albanian, Romansh.
 
Unless they fixed that
`
 
Shiny kick-mute badge available now. :D
 
Oh they did
 
user895378
 
lol like 80% of the first 20 hits are me :-P
 
3:40 PM
@FlorianMargaine I don't, it's a bit weird.
 
see, that was racist, I got kicked for telling you I am from East Europe
inb4 getting kicked again
inb4 he's trolling
 
I'm pretty sure chat search is quite broken, there should be way more than 39 hits for that
 
@JoeWatkins pong
 
@AndreaFaulds wanted to see if you were interested on working on that mutators patch ... we already done that :)
 
@FlorianMargaine #FridayTrolling
 
3:41 PM
^
 
@DaveRandom migration.gv.at/en/types-of-immigration/… Basically, I'm like this... so it's not that big of a deal to get (if you know shit), but Austria is damn expensive and I would probably get twice lower salary than what I have now, cost of life here is practically just food. In Austria I would have to pay 1000€ for apartment... but all of that is worth it probably.
 
Quite apart from anything else, anyone who writes new anything that uses octal notation should be kick-banned from the programming community
 
@AndreaFaulds yes, for example, every time in the Netherlands when someone asks me where I am from and I tell them, I receive the following questions "Aren't you going home when you graduate your studies?"
@AndreaFaulds haha for fun
 
@ziGi lets keep the conversation ontopic, ish ...
 
3:44 PM
haha
@JoeWatkins why do you want to make
the mutators and accessors like this
 
@AndreaFaulds In my language, if it ends with "a" it's usually female. For your name... Andreja (female) and Andrej/Andrija (male)...
 
additionally, if I want to propose something as "innovation" to PHP can I fork and propose it somewhere?
@webarto what about Nikola
Example: Nikola Tesla
 
sure @ziGi read about writing an rfc, and join the mailing list ....
 
@JoeWatkins ah yes, rfc is good
 
3:45 PM
Yeah, talking about the names that could be of both sex.
 
@webarto Nikola is also female
 
@ziGi Slavic languages are special :p
 
haha Andrea are you calling us retarded :D
 
@AndreaFaulds trollbait?
 
3:46 PM
@DaveRandom shhh
:D
OK I will take your advice and write a my own RFC which includes blackjack and hookers
haha
btw how do you handle "string" type hinting?
 
you don't
 
user895378
Annoying jokes are annoying. Starting to reach "old man get off my lawn status" ... hard to deal with kids.
 
@AndreaFaulds you can always make your own class String
 
You either cast to a string or check for is_string()
@ziGi Don't do that please
 
@ziGi no
 
3:50 PM
@DaveRandom the language doesn't provide it so I make my own rules for better looking code
 
@DaveRandom so you are saying code looks better if you check if(is_string($something))
instead of making your own wrapper class?
interesting
 
@ziGi You say "better looking" but is $var = new String('foo'); better looking than $var = 'foo';
 
@ziGi yes, because the wrapper class will force you to manually wrap and unwrap it all over the place
 
3:51 PM
Argh... Developing web-site with C# is PITA
 
@NikiC not true
 
@ziGi No, but I am saying that creating a wrapper class will cause a lot more problems than the one that it solves
 
@AndreaFaulds for (;;) echo "no\n";
 
@rdlowrey I have a school near, and kids play around the cars (playing not nicely, dent the car, scratch, etc.)... I shoot them with air gun.
 
3:51 PM
=> RFC string hinting
 
@NikiC no
 
lol
 
@ziGi no
 
I once threw a preservative full of water. Parking lot is not school yard.
 
@AndreaFaulds elaborate please
 
3:52 PM
@webarto it's "condom" in English
@ziGi no
 
Oh I was trying to translate that, forgot about that usage of it
 
@webarto A preservative, in English, is a chemical added to food to keep it from going off
 
hahaha :D maybe he uses some kind of food preservatives filled with water, who knows
 
@AndreaFaulds Oh, I use that too, thought it was the other way around. Thanks. That's called "to conserve" here, for food. Conservative, right.
 
@AndreaFaulds how does the food go "off" does it use its legs?
 
3:53 PM
@AndreaFaulds I believe it was used in that context in English when they were first sold as well, I have heard it before
 
@ziGi "go off" is idiomatic
 
I think I remember seeing it on some packaging from the 40s or something
Or possibly something Monty Python/Fry and Laurie/similar
 
@AndreaFaulds in the sense of decompose/become inedible?
 
@ziGi yes
 
@AndreaFaulds are you in any way related to the German language?
 
3:54 PM
Sausages?
 
@DaveRandom It's Wurst! :P
 
That joke was the wurst
 
@ziGi no, I am not Germanic
(cue laughter)
Er, more seriously, I do speak German.
 
user895378
 
well?
 
3:55 PM
@rdlowrey Hahaha
 
@AndreaFaulds just manic
 
great
 
Sometimes when I'm drunk, I mistake it for real one.
 
No it is just that I have noticed that people speaking Germanic languages like using more phrases composed of a few words
 
Seriously, as a child I have caused 0 troubles for other people property.
 
3:57 PM
but that's because english is half germanic, half latin
 
@ziGi English is Germanic.
 
yeah I know
I am really not good with phrases sometimes
 
Off to home
Later
 
phrasal verbs
yeah, that's different
how often do you use go off for food?
especially I have never heard an American use it
 
3:58 PM
I have for bombs, not for food
 
Common in the UK
 
user895378
@Leri later
 
I don't always GIF, but when I do.
 
@AndreaFaulds what about "Food goes bad"
 

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